Talk:Accession of Kosovo to the European Union

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Here And discuss it there. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 06:34, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Questionable status

Considering the questionable status of Kosovo, and the fact that EU's governing bodies have not specified that Kosovo has got a different path of European integrations from Serbia (AFAIK, they only mention in documents, even after the majority of Member States recognized its independence, that they acknowledge Serbian sovereignty and territorial integrity), this article is not NPOV. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.110.244.16 (talk) 03:17, 22 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, see here: [1]. The EU considers Kosovo (under UNSCR 1244) to be a potential candidate country, alongside Serbia, BiH and Albania. Of course the issues you raised are significant hurdles in the way of Kosovo ever actually getting into the EU as an independent state, which is why they are discussed in the article. But an article covering the potential accession of Kosovo to the EU is not un-neutral. There are plenty of RS which discuss the potential of this. TDL (talk) 03:48, 22 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Since there can be no reasonable question of "accession" right now, I propose this article should be renamed to Kosovo and the European Union. Under this title, the article should address

EULEX
Level of recognition of the RoK (Until all EU members recognize the RoK, it is futile to even mention "candidacy")
Possible future candidacy

"Accession" can become a section once Kosovo has official candidate status. Otherwise we can as well create Accession of Belarus to the European Union, with a content of "none." --dab (𒁳) 13:15, 9 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Again, please see the source: [2]. The EU considers Kosovo (under UNSCR 1244) to be a "potential candidate" for enlargement, no different than Serbia, BiH and Albania. Belarus isn't a potential candidate. While Kosovo faces unique challenges to accession, the current scope of the article is a notable topic. EULEX already has it's own article, so I don't see why we should change the scope of this article to merge that content. TDL (talk) 15:12, 9 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

fine, whatever. I do not think "accession" means "potential candidacy", but in some people's dictionary it apparently does.

So this article is about the potential future event of a candidacy which might potentially then lead to a process which would potentially result in actual accession. Good. I'll just leave the article to that and compile the actual Kosovo and the European Union somewhere else. --dab (𒁳) 08:22, 10 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Wait, so perhaps I shouldn't just believe anything people post to Wikipedia talkpages? So the EU considers "Kosovo under UN Security Council Resolution 1244" as a "potential candidate", but "Kosovo under UN Security Council Resolution 1244" is not the "Republic of Kosovo", it is "Kosovo under UN administration". UNSCR 1244 says that

Kosovo is under UN administration
authorizes the NATO to keep peacekeeping forces in Kosovo
authorizes Serbian personel to maintain Serbian Patrimonial sites and key border crossings
authorizes the UN to establish provisional institutions of local self-government
affirms that Kosovo is part of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia

The EU thus includes this notion of Kosovo (not the Republic declared eight years after the fact) under its "potential candidate". Since the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia doesn't even exist anymore, it is unclear what the EU website is implying when it says that "Kosovo within the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia is a potential candidate". Whatever this is supposed to mean under current circumstances, it certainly doesn't mean what you seem to think it does. Basically, it just means "yeah, the place is in a mess, we just keep calling it 'potential candidate' and keep throwing money at it until the situation improves". --dab (𒁳) 08:49, 10 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Representing GDP in absolute terms rather than per capita may be biased

Kosovo is poor, but the infobox makes it look even poorer than it actually is, since it displays PPP GDP in absolute terms, rather than on a per capita basis. Absolute GDP figures can be meaningful when assessing a state's total economic "weight", but in this case a per capita comparison would be more meaningful. A reader might find it handy to learn, at a glance, that Bulgaria's per capita PPP GDP is ~€10,500 compared to Kosovo's ~€5,500 or Croatia's ~€13,000. Comparisons with such "peers" are more meaningful -- although they still make Kosovo look really poor in comparison. (Probably because it is!) Thoughts? If no objections, I may add it myself.69.204.48.188 (talk) 14:04, 26 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Relationship between recognition and prospective EU membership

My contribution around the above:

It is undoubted that Kosovo must be recognized by all current EU member states before Kosovo may become a member. The situation where there is one prospective member state which is not recognized by all the others is hardly conceivable since principles of mutual recognition and sincere cooperation are at the heart of the EU legal order.^[1]

Was deleted. Nowhere in the piece is the basic point that if Kosovo is to be a member, it will first have to be recognised by all EU members explained. There was no understandable reason given for taking out the above. Where is this addressed in the piece? Frenchmalawi (talk) 11:11, 28 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Copying in User:Danlaycock who reverted the piece so he can explain how the point is addressed and why the contribution was reverted. Frenchmalawi (talk) 11:13, 28 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think that it's every been as explicitly stated as you have written. The EU usually speaks of "normalizaion of relations" with Serbia, which could conceivable take various forms, but I don't think I've ever seen an explicit requirement for mutual recognition.

A state could, for example, not explicitly recognized Kosovo but be presured into not vetoing their membership. See for example United Nations Security Council Resolution 702 when the US didn't not veto North Korea's UN membership. A similar situation happend with the Germany's in United Nations Security Council Resolution 335.

Wikipedia should not say that something is "undoubted" in our own voice, since we really can't predict how people will behave in the future. Have some EU officials said this? If so, we should quote them on the matter. Beyond that, we should highlight the challenges that would be faced to join given their current recognition status, without drawing any unsubstantiated conclusions. TDL (talk) 19:47, 3 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

“I don't think that it's every been as explicitly stated as you have written.“ I don’t follow the above. I am quoting a secondary source who state it as I have written. The statement is included in the following secondary sources: “Agreement on Comprehensive Normalization of Relations between Serbia and Kosovo : political and legal analysis / [authors Đorđe Bojović, Nikola Burazer]. - Belgrade : Centre for Contemporary Politics, EU-RS Think Tank, 2018” Can you explain what you mean when you say it has not been as explicitly stated as I have written. Are you suggesting that it’s s not stated that way in the source I’ve given? Or are you saying that the source is not an acceptable source? In my opinion, it’s beyond doubt that Kosovo could not join if it was not recognised as a state by all of the EU27. This has nothing to do with Serbia. This is about the recognition of Serbia by the 27 states that are already EU members. In any event, my opinion does’t come into it. As I’m just going on a secondary source that says this. Thanks User:TDL. Frenchmalawi (talk) 19:59, 3 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

User:Danlaycock - His name appears as TDL but apparently that’s not his user name (above response refers). Thanks. Frenchmalawi (talk) 20:00, 3 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Recognition of Kosovo by the 27 states (correction) - I have difficulties editing on my iPad. Frenchmalawi (talk) 20:01, 3 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I was referring to offical sources being this explicit but didn't realize that this was directly copied from the citied source. That's a separate issue - see WP:COPYVIO - but the point remains the same that we need to attribute claims. The current wording suggests that the statement is Wikipedia's view, rather than that of Centre for Contemporary Politics. It's important to provide that context, since obviously a Serbian think tank might have a different perspective than others. I've rephrase and added back. TDL (talk) 21:54, 9 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Agreement on Comprehensive Normalization of Relations between Serbia and Kosovo : political and legal analysis / [authors Đorđe Bojović, Nikola Burazer]. - Belgrade : Centre for Contemporary Politics, EU-RS Think Tank, 2018

Bordering another EU member

Is there any information on the necessity of bordering another EU member before joining EU (and Schengen)? -Vipz (talk) 05:18, 17 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Not to my knowledge. When Greece became a member it didn't have any borders with any other EU member. Cyprus is on a different tectonic plaque, even. Megustalastrufas (talk) 08:47, 17 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Though these aren't landlocked countries, and Kosovo is. -Vipz (talk) 09:47, 17 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

True. Still, it doesn't seem to be an issue. If you find a source saying that it is a concern, please let me know. Megustalastrufas (talk) 11:07, 17 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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