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On 5 May 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved to The Arbiter. The result of the discussion was not moved.

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• An expansion on the "Role" section would be nice. What is the "Blade of the Prophets"?
• "A shrine to these warriors lies in the Mausoleum of the Arbiter, located on High Charity." - Ref?
• The reception section has some long sentences that could be trimmed.

Overall, really well done. Dihydrogen Monoxide ^♫ 09:30, 2 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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• Yeah, it could do with some more, if possible. Dihydrogen Monoxide ^♫ 09:30, 2 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Thanks for the review, will work on the points raised. James086^{Talk | Email} 10:16, 2 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure how to make a ref for "A shrine to these warriors lies in the Mausoleum of the Arbiter, located on High Charity." because it appears in a cutscene of Halo 2 preceding the level "The Storm", not a quote. Would this suffice? James086^{Talk | Email} 13:29, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Bungie Studios (2004). Halo 2 (Xbox). Microsoft. Level/area: The Storm.

A trailer for Halo Wars shows an Arbiter. Should this be put here? For a more knowledgeable and relaxed Wikipedia- Nemesis646 (talk) 04:45, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I wouldn't. Currently we don't know if its actual cutscene footage or promotional, or in what capacity the Arbiter may appear; once we have more information we can add it in under appearances. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ^(talk) 12:53, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Fine, for the moment I'll leave it as it is. If anything else is released I'll bring the matter back up again. For a more knowledgeable and relaxed Wikipedia- Nemesis646 (talk) 18:03, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've pulled that section on grounds of original research. There's no actual confirmation within Cole Protocol that Thel becomes the Supreme Commander. Page 349 of the book does specify that he becomes a shipmaster of a crusier within the Fleet of Particular Justice, and while I agree that there is a better then good chance he does become the Supreme Commander, without actual confirmation extrapolating that he becomes the Supreme Commander is original research. If someone wants to contest this, I would request a source specifically citing that he becomes the Supreme Commander. Peptuck (talk) 03:15, 12 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I agree; having read the book, while it seems the author intends to imply that The Arbiter is Thel, at this point there is no definite confirmation of this assumption. Further action should be delayed before we find out more.

76.78.115.10 (talk) 22:19, 13 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I will second that. There is no concrete connection. However, given the name we can positively say that Thel is related to the Spec Ops Leader, Rtas 'Vadumee, who was in that fleet and (as Halo 3 shows) does have experience as a shipmaster. - Fearless Son (talk) 18:51, 25 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Halopedia seems to disagree: http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Thel_%27Vadam#Name_Discussion 92.4.164.217 (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 01:35, 28 December 2008 (UTC).[reply]

Halopedia's opinion is irrelevant, as it isn't a reliable source. Peptuck (talk) 02:58, 28 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Actually it's not opinion. It's fact. 'Vadum isn't related to Vadam. Their names are similar, but so are the names Roberts and Robertson. Just because a name is similar does NOT mean they're related. Thel Vadam and the Arbiter in Halo 2/Halo 3 might not be the same people, but it's heavily implied. Why else would they include the fact he was assigned to the Fleet of Particular Justice? And don't just jump to conclusions that they're related just because they have similar names and both are/were at one point a shipmaster. It's in no way implied that Thel Vadam and Rtas 'Vadum are related or the same person. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.130.227.76 (talk) 21:03, 25 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

From Halopedia:

Bungie acknowledges him as Thel 'Vadam in the blog: http://www.bungie.net/News/Blog.aspx?mode=news#cid19079

"Ascendant Justice published a new article examining the origins of Thel 'Vadam, better know to most as The Arbiter."

Event though it was decided on Halopedia that it was him, im just showing some new evidence so that we can be completely sure.

The blog post was about this: http://blog.ascendantjustice.com/thel-page-one/ FishType1 21:01, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

End quote.

That proves the Arbiter in Halos 2 and 3 is named Thel 'Vadam (Thel 'Vadamee before the Great Schism), and again, I'm telling you he's NOT related to Rtas 'Vadum (Rtas 'Vadumee before the Great Schism). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.130.10.41 (talk) 15:32, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Vadamee has also been recently confirmed by Tobias S. Buckell as well. A French Halo website interviewed him

Links:

[direct interview]

[translation of interview] Dibol (talk) 06:33, 21 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm iffy about that. For one thing, I've got to rely on the translation, it's not a reliable source, and he doesn't just come out and plainly state it either. --Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ^(talk) 14:57, 21 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Other than the translation being on a message board, what is it that makes the information unreliable?Dibol (talk) 22:57, 21 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

See WP:RS. This site doesn't have a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy. There's no one vouching for this site. Who's to say they didn't just make it up or mangle Bucknell's comments? --Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ^(talk) 23:09, 21 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Seriously, if the Arbiter is puted with all these sections of "characters with superhuman strength" etc. then why not the Master Chief?! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.12.156.120 (talk) 20:24, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

First, check the categories that Master Chief (Halo) belong to; some are themselves subcategories of the categories here, and we generally don't list both a category and its subcategory because it's actually redundant. Second, each page stands on its own merits, so if you're removing categories only to conform to another article, which you think should actually have more categories, the correct solution is to discuss it on the talk page of the other article. If, however, you think that the categories should be removed because they don't belong, period, that's another story. — TKD::Talk 20:40, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I just encountered this on the Halo Wars main menu on the liitle bar at the bottom with snippets of game information and statistics:

Not many people know that the Arbiter's given birth name is Shirley.

No, seriously. I'm not vandalising the article by putting this in. I've only ever seen it once, but I have seen it.

EDIT: Sorry, that was me. I forgot to login on this window. --Thejadefalcon (talk) 11:23, 26 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Eh, I think that is obviously a joke. Peptuck (talk) 12:48, 26 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I did consider that, but it seemed like such a weird one that I figured it must be true. We don't know much about Elite naming conventions. Maybe Shirley is a male name in their society. *shrugs* Of course, I like a good conspiracy and maybe that's polluting my grasp of the situation. --Thejadefalcon (talk) 12:52, 26 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think perhaps a picture of the Arbiter from Halo 2 and 3 would be better. Maybe a free one could be found somewhere? Mr. Wayne (talk) 19:48, 17 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Where might we obtain a free image of a copyrighted character in a copyrighted work? Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs^(talk) 19:50, 17 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe a drawing or something...if it's possible. Mr. Wayne (talk) 21:59, 17 October 2009 (UTC) Yeah, it does feel like if possible, the picture of an arbiter should be the one considered THE Arbiter. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.197.214.29 (talk) 16:25, 29 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Why no mention of him? 69.132.69.87 (talk) 23:45, 20 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

If you have a reliable source that talks about his appearance, please provide it or add it in yourself. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs^(talk) 22:40, 21 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

--Niemti (talk) 15:11, 27 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Arbeit is German for "work". wikt:Arbeit, Arbeit discuss this. The latter is a dabpage. It also appears as part of the phrase Arbeit macht frei with significant resonance. Not sure whether the designers were cognizant of this and how or whether to introduce this into the article. — Brianhe (talk) 05:47, 11 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Arbiter has a clear meaning in English as well. I've not seen any source to suggest they were inspired by the German term. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs^(talk) 13:49, 11 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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@David Fuchs: My edits removing the other Arbiters were reverted per "no consensus" but with no other reason given, so I'd like to ask for what the justification is for making the article about the rank of Arbiter rather than the main Halo character. The character who appears in Halo 2/3/5 appears to be the sole notable Arbiter in the franchise. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 16:48, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

That's how this article has been for more than a decade, and it's how it went through FAC. No reason is needed besides "no consensus for a significant change to the article". The article doesn't spend a ton of time on the other characters, there's no undue weight consideration. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ^talk 22:25, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

2009 FA standards were not nearly the same as they are now. It's not the idea of being undue, but the notion that the rank of Arbiter is not what is mentioned in RS. They are almost entirely referring to the Thel 'Vadam character. If I moved Commander Shepard to "Spectre", or Master Chief (Halo) to SPARTAN, people would rightfully revert me. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 04:38, 15 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It's still more consideration than you have gotten for your changes. So get the consensus first. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ^talk 20:03, 15 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]