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Castle in Old Bykhov

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The fact is recorded by Narbut himself in the preface to the 1846 edition (verbatim): translation: "...in 1835, being a guest of Prince Lev Sapega in his castle in Old Bykhov, I accidentally discovered in the castle library an old manuscript chronicle...")

Yes, in the Bykhov Castle (more precisely, in the castle of Prince Sapeg in Old Bykhov).

Here is how Theodor Narbut himself describes it in the preface to the 1846 edition (a literal translation from the Polish):

> "In 1835, being a guest of Prince Lva Petrovich Sapega in his castle in Old Bykhov, I accidentally found in the castle library an old manuscript in the Western Russian dialect ..."

That is: - Location: Sapeg Castle in Old Bykhov (Mogilev Province, now Mogilev Oblast of Belarus). - Owner of the castle and library: Prince Leo Sapega (1795–1878), great-grandson of the famous Chancellor Leo Sapega. - Where exactly the manuscript lay: in the library of the castle (at that time one of the largest private libraries in VKL / Belarus).

This castle stood on the high bank of the Dnieper, was built in the 17th century by Christopher Sapega, and in the 19th century belonged to other branches of the family. Narbut was personally acquainted with Prince Lion Sapega and often visited him - hence the "accidental" find.

So yes — physically the chronicle was found precisely in the walls of the Bykhov Castle, and that is why Narbut called it “Bychowiecka” (Bychowiecka). Александр Макович (talk) 02:06, 27 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

There is no such Narbutt's text. Where did you find it? --Altenmann >talk 03:44, 27 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The quote you are referring to is found in Teodor Narbutt's 1846 publication titled "Pomniki do dziejów litewskich".
Here are the specific details you requested:
Work: Pomniki do dziejów litewskich . Lituanos history
Place & Year: Wilno (Vilnius), 1846
Section: Przedmowa (Preface)
Page: 1 (or s. 1)
Additional Context
The quote appears at the very beginning of the preface, where Narbutt explains the provenance of the Kronika Bychowca (Bykhovets Chronicle). Although Narbutt is most famous for his 9-volume Dzieje starożytne narodu litewskiego (Ancient History of the Lithuanian Nation, 1835–1841), this 1846 work is a separate, standalone volume (often treated as a supplement) dedicated specifically to the sources he discovered, including this chronicle found in the library of Prince Leon (Lev) Sapieha. Александр Макович (talk) 10:55, 6 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Please stop spreading misinformation into Wikipedia. There is no statement in Narbutt (1846): "in 1835, being a guest of Prince Lev Sapega in his castle in Old Bykhov, I accidentally discovered in the castle library an old manuscript chronicle" in "Pomniki do dziejów litewskich". And it cannot be: Narbutt was perfectly aware who discovered the chronicle. --Altenmann >talk 23:19, 6 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
go to AI Grok and ask him he confirmed to me that it correct THEODOR NARBUT found Chronicle in OLD BYCHOV CASTLE Александр Макович (talk) 20:13, 13 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
In Wikipedia we use references to reliable sources. AI is not one of them. --Altenmann >talk 17:55, 14 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
No very good source he himself had Coat of arms 3 HORNS OR 3 CORNU he decendant of Cornelius gens. Александр Макович (talk) 03:39, 21 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Please stop using AI to edit articles. The content will be removed as unsourced. Augmented Seventh (talk) 01:49, 23 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Augmented Seventh: this user is indef-blocked as WP:NOTHERE. --Altenmann >talk 01:59, 23 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Noted. Augmented Seventh (talk) 07:06, 23 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Finders-keepers

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I made a correction, accoring to sourcces I cited. However it seems that this is not entirely correct either and the owner of the library was a different Bychowiec. I will dig deeper. --Altenmann >talk 20:07, 4 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

A possible reason of discrepancy: in the publication of Klimaszewski, A. Bychowiec is described as "the heir of the properties in "Wołkowysk powiat", i.e., he was not the original owner/creator of the library. But formally, yes, at the moment of the discovery he was the owner ... Reading more... out of idle curiocity...--Altenmann >talk 20:16, 4 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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