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When a fragment is prematurely spun off the site that gives it natural value and context, this is what happens. Now, in order to know the sites that are truly of interest in Philadelphia, it is still necessary to go to Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. --Wetman 01:10, 27 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Let's keep the images all on the right. --evrik ^(talk) 18:30, 27 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

What standard should be used for determining whether something should be considered a "site of interest in Philadelphia". The following are not strictly within the borders of Philadelphia proper:

• Adventure Aquarium, Camden
• Tower Theater, Upper Darby - popular musical acts
• Beth Sholom Synagogue, Elkins Park

Is there a consensus? Mdbrownmsw removed the aquarium on the grounds that it was in Camden, not Philly. I've removed the other two for consistency. -- Austin Murphy 14:59, 3 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• I think we should be fairly liberal about this. After all, there is a river link between Penns Landing and the Aquarium. I know that the GPTMC works with the whole regional area. --evrik ^(talk) 15:25, 3 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

A river link? How about a bus link to KofP Plaza (and AC and NYC...) or a plane link to Argentina...

Two options come to mind:

1. Change the title to "List of sites of interest in the Philadelphia area" and come up with a clear description of "the Philadelphia area". (Valley Forge? Atlantic City? etc.)
2. Change the descrtiption to match the current title, and stick with "in Philadelphia".

I think defining "area" might be awkward and/or subjective. Other thoughts?

Mdbrownmsw 16:21, 3 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Here are the issues: 1) Location: Sites "in Philadelphia" clearly qualify here. At issue are sites in the city's "immeadiate environs", whatever that might mean. Granted, ships docked in Philly permenantly deserve a pass of some kind (and I don't see the SS United States going anywhere any time soon). Fort Mifflin has a mailing address in the city but is, I think, technically outside of the city. More to the point are the ones clearly outside of the city: Adventure Aquarium (in Camden), the Tower (Upper Darby), Vanillanova, Beth Sholom and The Brandywine River Museum in (for the love of Milton Street) Chadds Ford. We need some kind of criteria here. Physically IN the city is easiest, but the boats and Ft Mifflin would go byebye. 2) Sites: Is the SS United States a "site"? Ok, so it doesn't move much. What about Gazela? Are Toynbee tiles "a site"? Many are in Philly, many aren't. What is a "site"? 3) "of interest": I suppose some railfan visiting from NYC might find the SEPTA museum to be "of interest" (ugh), but is Marconi Plaza "of interest" moreso than, say, Japan House? Lots of redlinks (and I'd include that Arts Bank jobby). How do we weed out the "my business is of interest" from the others (I'd axe the Doll museum, Chris', Ortlieb's and some others, but I'd like to keep Please Touch, etc.) 4) Crystal ball issues: Several of these sites don't exist yet or are being built (ex: Rhythm and Blues Museum).

Thoughts? Mdbrownmsw (talk) 19:51, 10 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Wake me up if anyone else answers ... --evrik ^(talk) 21:25, 10 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I supposed I could just do whatever I want citing discussion that hadn't happened. I'd rather give it a chance given that there was some disagreement. Mdbrownmsw (talk) 21:48, 10 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I support including sites that are "just over the border". This includes: Adventure Aquarium, Camden, Tower Theater (Upper Darby), Beth Sholom Synagogue, Elkins Park, and Barnes Foundation (Merion).

I don't think sites that are "substantially past the border" should be included. This would exclude: Brandywine River Museum (Chadds Ford, PA), Villanova Stadium, Valley Forge, Longwood Gardens (Kennett Square, PA), King of Prussia Mall, New Hope, PA, etc.

If there is any difficulty determining whether something is "close enough", then I suggest using a substantially higher standard for notability for sites that are outside the city's borders. -- Austin Murphy (talk) 16:03, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• we could change the name to List of sites of interest in Philadelphia and vicinity --evrik ^(talk) 16:05, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Evrik, I don't understand why you switched the simple wikisyntax for the external links to the External link template. I think a small number is less disruptive than the link text "External link". -- Austin Murphy (talk) 18:50, 4 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Because I think they need to be clearly labeled as external links and not poorly formatted references. --evrik ^(talk) 19:24, 4 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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