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HART program article makes no reference to MAVs whatsoever. The diagrams likewise do not mention MAVs or depict them (if they do show a MAV, it is drawn too small to see and is not labeled as such). To be relevant as a reference article for the Micro Air Vehicle article, the HART discussion should detail how MAVs are a central part of the HART concept. I also note that the HART article is written in the past tense, indicating that it is no longer an active DARPA program. As such, it seems to have even less relevance to the Micro AIr Vehicle article which should have as references, seminal, in-development, or fielded MAVs involved. To quote from the HART article, "The purpose of the program was to develop systems that could provide continuous, real-time, three-dimensional surveillance of large urbanized areas, using unmanned aerial vehicles." Was HART implemented and fielded? Was it ever anything that got farther than the drawing board. I've seen hundreds of these concepts over the years that lost proponency and died... this looks like another. Also, MAV's should not be able to roadkill or be used to get on locations that are not accessible. By the DARPA definition, a MAV is a UAV, but a UAV is not necessarily a MAV. The HART article fails the test to establish the centrality of MAVs to its core concept. If you are pointing to the otherwise unidentified 17-pound (fully fueled) 13 inch diameter ducted fan "Micro Air Vehicle" (original Honeywell design) shown in the first figure of the HART article, that is a total misnomer as it does not fit the DARPA definition of a MAV (~15cm). Just because some in the military have dubbed that a "Micro Air Vehicle" for political reasons, it is in no way indicative of the MAVs discussed in the Micro Air Vehicle article to which this talk page is attached. Bottom line: there are lots of program concepts which include MAVs (e.g. FCS) and maybe HART is another one, but the HART article does not make the case-- and Wikipedia readers are not supposed to have "inside information" to know that TRUE MAVs (not the Honeywell ducted fan) were perhaps used in HART. Need to pick a better example, expand the HART article, or just leave out the reference as it adds little to the MAV article.Firewall (talk) 16:50, 17 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Apparently, DoD is funding "Bug-Like Robotic Drones Becoming More Bug-Like, With Bulging Eyes and Tiny, Sensing Hairs", as seen in this Oct 2011 article. May be worthy of note in improving the article. Cheers. N2e (talk) 06:09, 5 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Could information from sources [1], [2] and [3] be somehow incorporated into this article? --93.139.140.11 (talk) 10:05, 17 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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The definition of a MAV (Micro Air Vehicle) in this article should be completely reviewed in terms of today's standards, as it is related to "micro-drones". The example of the RQ-16 T-Hawk as a MAV with a mass of 8.4 kilograms is completely outdated! Today it would be considered a SUAV.

See the other page here, and the weight table: https://teknopedia.ac.id/wiki/Unmanned_aerial_vehicle Based on their weight, drones can be classified into 5 categories—

One of the lightest drones today is small enough to sit in the palm of a person’s hand, weighs less than 5 grams, and can fly indefinitely while the sun shines on it.

https://spectrum.ieee.org/smallest-drone 88.172.173.196 (talk) 16:26, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]