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An editor is contending that the article should use MDY dates, because it is not strongly connected to any one country, and the lead actress is American. However, the film was made in Germany and was directed by one of the premiere German-speaking directors of the period, G.W. Pabst, who was Austrian. Clearly, the connection to these two countries outweighs the nationality of the lead actress (the rest of the cast is German, and the film was produced by Sud-Film, a German company). All these factors indicate that DMY dates should be used, and not MDY dates. BMK (talk) 01:21, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

You would be correct if the MOS said "Articles on topics with strong ties to a particular country should generally use the date format most commonly used in that nation", but it doesn't say that. MOS:DATETIES defines "Strong national ties to a topic": "Articles on topics with strong ties to a particular English-speaking country should generally use the date format most commonly used in that nation" (emphasis added). What is the purpose of the words "English-speaking" in that sentence unless to limit the guideline to English-speaking countries? The same guideline is defined at MOS:STRONGNAT, which reads: "An article on a topic that has strong ties to a particular English-speaking nation should use the English of that nation", followed by a list of nine example articles (Afrikaner, Great Fire of London, Vancouver, etc.), all nine of which have strong national ties to English-speaking countries.

On my talk page you suggest that "The article stays in the status quo ante during discussion". The status quo ante is m/d/y, and unless I've missed a blip somewhere, this format has been in place continuously since the first introduction of dates in the article with this edit on August 28, 2008. It remained in place throughout a series of 26 edits you made to the article on November 5, 2012. I agree to a return to the status quo ante. Ewulp (talk) 03:23, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

No, sorry, the status quo ante is the condition the article was in before your Blold edit which I Reverted, and that was DMY. Your arguments concerning the strong connection of the film are groundless. The film is German, period. That an American is in it is irrelevant. BMK (talk) 03:59, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

What you are calling the status quo ante existed for less than 20 hours. What under the sun is "bold" about a revert that is perfectly consistent with MOS:DATERET, MOS:STRONGNAT, and MOS:DATETIES? I do not contend that "the article should use MDY dates, because it is not strongly connected to any one country, and the lead actress is American"; you are seizing on a quip ("although there is at least this tie to an English-speaking country: the lead role was played by an American actress") I made in an edit summary, which I plainly did not call a strong national tie. It could as easily be argued – from the other side – that the last scene of the film is set in London. I don't consider these strong ties; of course the film is German. I have made the actual argument for the edit here, and you have not addresed the issue: the article is not strongly connected to any English-speaking country, and that MOS:DATERET advises against date format changes in cases where either format is used consistently and there is no strong national tie to a particular English-speaking country. Ewulp (talk) 04:13, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Is this matter really worth another 5 minutes of our time? The article was in MDY format for 8 years; why all this excitement about my revert of a Bold and unmotivated format change by an anonymous user all of whose edits seem to be of this sort? Ewulp (talk) 04:25, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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