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The following reference(s) may be useful when improving this article in the future: Pateman, Carole (2018). The Sexual Contract (30th anniversary ed.). Stanford University Press. ISBN 978-1-5036-0827-6. "patriarchy". Encyclopaedia Briatannica. 30 March 2016.

The very first sentence is being unclear: "Patriarchy is a social system in which men typically hold authority and responsibility while also excluding women from it." What does "it" refer to? "Social system", or "authority and responsibility". It would be nonsensical to say that women are excluded from the social system, because the system has to include the ones over whom authority is had and for whom responsibility is taken. But "it" is singular so grammatically it does not fit with "authority and responsibility" (English is not my first language so I could be wrong here). AndersThorseth (talk) 14:52, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Is there a consensus if its "in a patriarchy men have the power" or "in a patriarchy the people with power are men"? Its two very different statements with very different meanings. AndersThorseth (talk) 15:18, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The latter is probably more true, but I would argue (at least from my reading) that neither is entirely accurate. It's a bit more subtle than that.

In a patriarchy, men have a greater ability to gain and maintain power, and tend to have the upper hand in social dynamics. Power tends to be held by men at all levels, to different extents. But clearly men don't always have power. Women with power do exist.

Indeed, some theorists would argue that a woman can also be a patriarch. If a women is in a high position of capitalist power, and uses traditionally male techniques of domination on those below her, including on men, you could call her a patriarch. She is helping to reinforce the patriarchal power structure, and promoting male domination behaviors. But given the politics of this (re: the dimension of capitalism), some of this is still debated. The idea of intersectionality that includes class is pretty well-established though. Patriarchy clearly looks very different for a poor unmarried man, than for a married billionaire CEO. It still exists, but it's different in form and extent. Dw2137 (talk) 18:46, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I would suggest removing the paragraph

"Although patriarchy exists within the scientific atmosphere,[clarification needed] "the periods over which women would have been at a physiological disadvantage in participation in hunting through being at a late stage of pregnancy or early stage of child-rearing would have been short". During the time of the nomads, patriarchy still grew with power. Lewontin and others argue that such biological determinism unjustly limits women. In his study, he states women behave a certain way not because they are biologically inclined to, but rather because they are judged by "how well they conform to the stereotypical local image of femininity"."

The paragraph seems like it perhaps made sense once but have now been edited, to be nonsensical. It seems to suggest that hunting tribes were acting unjust and guided by biological determinism, without stating it outright. But somehow I don't think that was the point of the author. So I suggest to just delete it. AndersThorseth (talk) 15:57, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It barely makes sense. I would edit it but I don't know what is trying to be said. Guindufan (talk) 03:12, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Both the "The role of patriarchy in feminism" and "Feminist Ideologies" subheadings include no citations at all. I am also not sure that the content in either heading are actually related to the topics indicated by their respective titles. Is there just some missing citations here? Or should they be rewritten/structured or deleted? Mangojuice22 (talk) 05:56, 17 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

How is Fisher's principle not mentioned under biological theories? Fisher seemed to have been a critic of the notion called "Bateman's principle" here, calling it "characteristically terse" and "cryptic":

each sex must supply half the ancestry of all future generations of the species

Ybllaw (talk) 17:14, 22 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]