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July 3, 2023	Peer review	Reviewed
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On 11 December 2021, it was proposed that this article be moved from Reputation (Taylor Swift album) to Reputation (album). The result of the discussion was moved.

On 12 October 2022, it was proposed that this article be moved to Reputation (Taylor Swift album). The result of the discussion was not moved.

Gorgeous as an official single

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"Gorgeous" should be re-added as a single rather than a promotional single. It was officially sent to UK radios and charted for over three months in that area. If "The Last Time" from Red and "the 1" from folklore (other exclusively European singles) are counted as real singles, then it would be inconsistent to say that "Gorgeous" isn't one. 2601:180:8200:63D0:68BC:FDF:9A0F:6B81 (talk) 04:59, 27 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The difference between "Gorgeous" and the two other singles is that "The 1" had an official announcement from Universal Music [1], and "The Last Time" was listed in Official Charts' "This week's new releases" column [2]. The BBC Radio is not the indicator of a widespread single release, and there is no confirmation from Official Charts that it is a single of the same week as the BBC Radio 1 playlist. HĐ (talk) 15:03, 27 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 11 December 2021

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Danski454 (talk) 00:42, 21 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Reputation (Taylor Swift album) → Reputation (album) – This album is much more known than than the album by Dusty Springfield 2603:9000:CA02:CACC:6D95:2C65:CE6F:6A9B (talk) 21:51, 11 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per WP:PDAB. 162 etc. (talk) 23:48, 11 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support per WP:PDAB: "A request for comments concluded on 3 September 2019 that PDABs can have primary topics, but that "the standard for making disambiguated titles such as Foo (bar) a primary topic among all Foo's that are Bars should be tougher than the standard for titles that don't have any disambiguator". The Wikipedia guideline section known as WP:INCDAB or WP:INCOMPDAB was modified to reflect this." In this case, Taylor's album is easily the primary topic here [3] Calidum 01:03, 12 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support. I agree with Calidum's points. Ronherry (talk) 13:11, 13 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support. per WP:PDAB and per comments above. — Preceding unsigned comment added by PopLizard86427 (talk • contribs)

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Requested move 12 October 2022

The result of the move request was: not moved. Per consensus. Whilst (album) is an incomplete dab, pageview and clickstream data analysis by TartarTorte provides the argument for the Taylor Swift album as the WP:PTOPIC. (closed by non-admin page mover) – robertsky (talk) 02:21, 20 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Reputation (album) → Reputation (Taylor Swift album) – restore back in line with WP:TITLE: poorly attended move initiated by single-day editor IP 10 months ago and closed by non-admin does not inspire confidence. Reputation (Dusty Springfield album) also exists and is a substantial article. No benefit to readers in de-TaylorSwifting article. In ictu oculi (talk) 18:58, 12 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom.--Ortizesp (talk) 01:06, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Comparing Reputation (Taylor Swift album) in page views to Reputation (Dusty Springfield album) before the move last year shows a minimum ratio of 20-to-1 page views in favor of Taylor Swift album and on average ~30-to-1 page views in favor of the Taylor Swift album. It seems like the Taylor Swift album is WP:PTOPIC for albums. The outgoing click statistics bare this out as well with the Dusty Springfield album not in the top 10 of pages clicked to from Reputation (album). TartarTorte 01:33, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nomination and Ortizesp. Reputation (album) is incomplete disambiguation and should redirect to Reputation (disambiguation)#Music. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 03:41, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose as per TartarTorte. ℛonherry☘ 05:16, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. The points raised above still stand. 2603:3005:42DF:4000:1D6F:FC54:13DB:5123 (talk) 15:56, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per TartarTorte. This album is very clearly the album people are searching for. aaronneallucas (talk) 23:55, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. The Dusty Springfield album hardly made a dent anywhere. Swift's "Reputation", on the contrary, shattered sales records and is still charting to this day. Everm4e (talk) 04:40, 15 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. Shwcz (talk) 08:32, 15 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per User:TartarTorte. Tree Critter (talk) 16:23, 17 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per TartarTorte and previous RM above. With 97% of all pageviews this year, this album is the overwhelming primary topic. And the hatnote serves the minority as well as or better than a dab page would. Station1 (talk) 09:14, 18 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Orphaned references in Reputation (album)

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Reputation (album)'s orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "RIAA":

From Alicia Keys: "RIAA – Gold & Platinum". RIAA. Archived from the original on August 7, 2013. Retrieved March 14, 2009.
From Kanye West: "Searchable Database". Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA). Search: Kanye West. Retrieved February 18, 2012.
From Thriller (album): "Michael Jackson's 'Thriller' First Ever 30X Multi-Platinum RIAA Certification". Recording Industry Association of America. December 16, 2015. Retrieved January 22, 2016.
From Future discography: "American certifications – Future". Recording Industry Association of America. Retrieved April 19, 2022.
From The Weeknd: "Gold & Platinum Searchable Database". Recording Industry Association of America.
From Frozen (soundtrack): "Let It Go Certifications". Recording Industry Association of America. Archived from the original on September 24, 2015. Retrieved April 9, 2014.
From Spice Girls: "USA sales certificates database". Recording Industry Association of America. Retrieved 2 April 2021.
From Carrie Underwood: "Recording Industry Association of America". RIAA. Retrieved March 17, 2012.
From Herb Alpert: "Gold & Platinum ("Alpert" search)". RIAA. Retrieved April 2, 2021.
From Ed Sheeran discography: "ED SHEERAN - YOU NEED ME, I DON'T NEED YOU". RIAA. Retrieved 21 May 2019.
From The Eminem Show: Gold & Platinum: Searchable Database" Recording Industry Association of America. Retrieved 2011-03-08.
From When We All Fall Asleep, Where Do We Go?: "Gold & Platinum – RIAA: Billie Eilish". Recording Industry Association of America. Archived from the original on June 25, 2020. Retrieved June 29, 2020.
From Michael Jackson: "Michael Jackson's 'Thriller' First Ever 30X Multi-Platinum RIAA Certification". Recording Industry Association of America. December 16, 2015. Retrieved December 17, 2021.
From Taylor Swift albums discography: "American album certifications – Taylor Swift – Taylor Swift". Recording Industry Association of America. Retrieved March 14, 2020.
From Billy Joel: "Top Selling Artists". Recording Industry Association of America. Archived from the original on August 15, 2011. Retrieved June 8, 2012.
From List of music recording certifications: "RIAA – Recording Industry Association of America". Recording Industry Association of America. Retrieved 26 May 2008.
From Taylor Swift singles discography: "American single certifications – Taylor Swift". Recording Industry Association of America. Retrieved March 14, 2020.
From Fleetwood Mac: "RIAA - Gold and Platinum Searchable Database". riaa.com. Archived from the original on 24 September 2015. Retrieved 7 May 2014.
From Drake (musician): "Drake". RIAA. Archived from the original on November 4, 2015. Retrieved August 1, 2012.
From Music download: "For Students Doing Reports". RIAA. Archived from the original on 10 April 2012. Retrieved 30 April 2012.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 21:00, 31 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Somebody fucked up the entire page

The whole description is all messed up. Page needs to be fixed. 47.212.123.199 (talk) 19:41, 20 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed. Thanks. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 19:57, 20 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hatnote

User:Ippantekina has a habit of edit warring on small issues. So, in preparation for that:

The hatnote should direct to the only two albums that people would be looking for if not Taylor Swift's. A link to the disambiguation page would be more appropriate if there were more than only two, but there aren't. Tree Critter (talk) 00:04, 14 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The hatnote you added is hyper-specific and to think about it, would readers go to this article and expect to read about those two particular albums? I’d go for the less clunky option that is to keep it simple: this article is about Taylor Swift’s album, for other albums go to the disambig. Ronherry do you have any thoughts on this? (tagging because he/she seems an active editor on Swift articles lately). Ippantekina (talk) 00:41, 14 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The current hatnote looks clumsy. I think a direct link to the disambiguation page alone is enough. ℛonherry☘ 17:41, 14 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. I don't see the need to name Springfield and the band in the hatnote. Ippantekina (talk) 04:03, 15 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Incomplete title

Should be revisited and moved per WP:DISAMBIGUATION at some point. In ictu oculi (talk) 12:45, 19 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Why? The other album recieved less than 1/90th of this album's page views this month despite both existing for years. ClipzyJiyz (talk) 03:13, 26 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

Passed. Cherrell410^{(t · c)} 04:11, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Reviewer: Cherrell410 (talk · contribs) 17:09, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, thanks for reviewing this article. I’d get back to you within 2 days’ time! Cheers, Ippantekina (talk) 11:24, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Cherrell410, I have addressed your comments accordingly, except the "Live performances" heading because the section also discusses press/media interviews. Ippantekina (talk) 04:03, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

It is reasonably well written.
a. (prose, spelling, and grammar):

b. (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
It is factually accurate and verifiable.
a. (reference section):

b. (citations to reliable sources):

c. (OR):

d. (copyvio and plagiarism):
It is broad in its coverage.
a. (major aspects):

b. (focused):
It follows the neutral point of view policy.
Fair representation without bias:
It is stable.
No edit wars, etc.:

Many disputes about what the title should be, one of the main editors seems to have an edit warring issue, 15 reverts since may 12
It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
a. (images are tagged and non-free content have non-free use rationales):

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Leaving my suggestions for improvement below:

Background: comma after worldwide
Background: into a fixation onto which - is there a better way to write this?
Background: (i made that bitch famous was particulary contriversal) - that's an opinion. it might be a popular opinion, but its an opinion.
Background: once-reputation --> once–reputation
Recording and conception: Three musicians co-wrote and co-produced select tracks with Martin and Shellback, including... --> Additionally, Ali Payami, Oscar gorres and Oscar holter co-wrote ready for it, so it goes, and dancing with our hands tied, respectively.
Musical styles: wikilink distorted to distortion (music)
Themes and lyrics: it references alcohol and sex more than any of swifts previous records; for instance... - don't give the example, as you are only giving the example for the alcohol part of this phrase
Performances --> Live performances
Performances: The show recorded at AT&T Stadium in Arlington, Texas --> The show at AT&T Stadium in Arlington, Texas was recorded and released as a...

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