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This page is to nominate fresh articles to appear in the "Did you know" section on the Main Page with a "hook" (an interesting note). Nominations that have been approved are moved to a staging area and then promoted into the Queue. To update this page, purge it.

Count of DYK Hooks
Section	# of Hooks	# Verified
August 25	1	1
August 28	1	1
August 30	1	1
September 5	1
September 6	1	1
September 8	1	1
September 9	2
September 11	2	1
September 12	3	1
September 13	1
September 15	2	1
September 16	2
September 18	1
September 19	1	1
September 20	3
September 21	1	1
September 22	1
September 23	6	3
September 24	3	2
September 25	2	1
September 26	2
September 27	3	1
September 28	2
September 29	1	1
September 30	4	2
October 1	2	2
October 2	3	1
October 3	2
October 4	6	1
October 5	4
October 6	3	1
October 7	5	2
October 8	3	1
October 9	9	4
October 10	4	1
October 11	5	1
October 12	5	4
October 13	11	4
October 14	4	4
October 15	8	2
October 16	8	4
October 17	8	6
October 18	10	4
October 19	12	9
October 20	7	3
October 21	6	5
October 22	18	9
October 23	9	4
October 24	6	3
October 25	11	6
October 26	8	1
October 27	8	5
October 28	11	4
October 29	8	2
October 30	10	4
October 31	11	4
November 1	10	4
November 2	6	1
November 3	13
November 4	2
November 5
Total	304	126
Last updated 04:19, 5 November 2024 UTC Current time is 04:37, 5 November 2024 UTC [refresh]

How do I write an interesting hook?

Successful hooks tend to have several traits. Most importantly, they share a surprising or intriguing fact. They give readers enough context to understand the hook, but leave enough out to make them want to learn more. They are written for a general audience who has no prior knowledge of or interest in the topic area. Lastly, they are concise, and do not attempt to cover multiple facts or present information about the subject beyond what's needed to understand the hook.

When will my nomination be reviewed?

This page is often backlogged. As long as your submission is still on the page, it will stay there until an editor reviews it. Since editors are encouraged to review the oldest submissions first, it may take several weeks until your submission is reviewed. In the meantime, please consider reviewing another submission (not your own) to help reduce the backlog (see instructions below). Because of WP:DYKTIMEOUT, a nomination should be reviewed within two months since the reviewer/promoter may agree to reject and close an unpromoted hook after that time has passed.

Where is my hook?

If you can't find the nomination you submitted to this nominations page, it may have been approved and is on the approved nominations page waiting to be promoted. It could also have been added to one of the prep areas, promoted from prep to a queue, or is on the main page.

If the nominated hook is in none of those places, then the nomination has probably been rejected. Such a rejection usually only occurs if it was at least a couple of weeks old and had unresolved issues for which any discussion had gone stale. If you think your nomination was unfairly rejected, you can query this on the DYK discussion page, but as a general rule such nominations will only be restored in exceptional circumstances.

Any editor who was not involved in writing/expanding or nominating an article may review it by checking to see that the article meets all the DYK criteria (long enough, new enough, no serious editorial or content issues) and the hook is cited. Editors may also alter the suggested hook to improve it, suggest new hooks, or even lend a hand and make edits to the article to which the hook applies so that the hook is supported and accurate. For a more detailed discussion of the DYK rules and review process see the supplementary guidelines and the WP:Did you know/Reviewing guide.

To post a comment or review on a DYK nomination, follow the steps outlined below:

• Look through this page, Template talk:Did you know, to find a nomination you would like to comment on.
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• To indicate the result of the review (i.e., whether the nomination passes, fails, or needs some minor changes), leave a signed comment on the page. Please begin with one of the 5 review symbols that appear at the top of the edit screen, and then indicate all aspects of the article that you have reviewed; your comment should look something like the following:

  Article length and age are fine, no copyvio or plagiarism concerns, reliable sources are used. But the hook needs to be shortened.

  If you are the first person to comment on the nomination, there will be a line :* <!-- REPLACE THIS LINE TO WRITE FIRST COMMENT, KEEPING  :* --> showing you where you should put the comment.
• Save the page.
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If there is any problem or concern about a nomination, please consider notifying the nominator by placing {{subst:DYKproblem|Article|header=yes|sig=yes}} on the nominator's talk page.

Handy copy sources:

• Open the DYK nomination subpage of the hook you would like to remove. (It's best to wait several days after a reviewer has rejected the hook, just in case someone contests or the article undergoes a large change.)
• In the window where the DYK nomination subpage is open, replace the line {{DYKsubpage with {{subst:DYKsubpage, and replace |passed= with |passed=no. Then save the page. This has the effect of wrapping up the discussion on the DYK nomination subpage in a blue archive box and stating that the nomination was unsuccessful, as well as adding the nomination to a category for archival purposes.

• Edit the prep area or queue where the hook is and remove the hook and the credits associated with it.
• Go to the hook's nomination subpage (there should have been a link to it in the credits section).
  • View the edit history for that page
  • Go back to the last version before the edit where the hook was promoted, and revert to that version to make the nomination active again.
  • Add a new icon on the nomination subpage to cancel the previous tick and leave a comment after it explaining that the hook was removed from the prep area or queue, and why, so that later reviewers are aware of this issue.
• Add a transclusion of the template back to this page so that reviewers can see it. It goes under the date that it was first created/expanded/listed as a GA. You may need to add back the day header for that date if it had been removed from this page.
• If you removed the hook from a queue, it is best to either replace it with another hook from one of the prep areas, or to leave a message at WT:DYK asking someone else to do so.

• Don't; it should not ever be necessary, and will break some links which will later need to be repaired. Even if you change the title of the article, you don't need to move the nomination page.

• ... that Moses da Rieti was the first Hebrew poet to write in the rhyming verse form of Dante?

• Reviewed:

cc @User:GordonGlottal Andre🚐 19:31, 7 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• Given that general readers may not know what "terza rima" is, a minor reword (perhaps changing the term to something more accessible) may be needed here. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:04, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Seems fair, maybe we should add the phrase "rhyming verse form" afterwards? Andre🚐 01:17, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Or you could just replace "terza rima" with "rhyming verse form" in the hook. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:14, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sure. Andre🚐 18:31, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• A drive-by comment: this has the perennial form of "first" hooks, that even though we may have sources calling them first, there's a high likelihood of WP:ERRORS when someone notices the hook and remembers the existence of someone else using terza rima in Hebrew at an earlier date, overlooked by our source. To forestall this, can we maybe rewrite the hook to avoid the word "first"? Something like
  • ALT1 ... that Moses da Rieti wrote Hebrew poetry in the rhyming verse form of Dante?

—David Eppstein (talk) 23:58, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't mind that, but I think it's rather unlikely that someone will find another example of it, since Dante died in 1321 and Moses was born in 1388, and there are precious few remaining manuscripts from that time to begin with, though I suppose it's not entirely out of the question that a cache of codices will be found in some Vatican annex basement or a Dead Sea caves situation. For reference, the source (Dvora Bregman) says Rieti was, in fact, the first Hebrew poet to use this form, and through his influence it was incorporated into Hebrew poetry by his successors. Andre🚐 00:20, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer needed. Z1720 (talk) 22:52, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Note to @GordonGlottal, he has an extensive sandbox with improvements that should be merged back in for this. Andre🚐 23:28, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I will say that although deserving {{lead too long}} isn't technically a disqualifier, I would politely suggest that having three quarters of the article up there is taking the mickey. Whether by expanding the rest or moving what's there, this should be fixed.--Launchballer 23:53, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That is fair. There's a version of the article at User:GordonGlottal/sandbox that should address that. Andre🚐 00:22, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I mean, I'm not going to demand that all that be copied in, but I will ask that what's currently in the article is rearranged (which is what I meant by "what's there").--Launchballer 22:33, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I understand. I think it would be better if we move the sandbox stuff in, hoping Gordon can get around to it. Andre🚐 16:52, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

For now, I have gone ahead and moved part of the lead into an "Overview" section, though I expect this may change again when Gordon's draft is merged. I pinged him hoping that maybe we can do that before the review gets underway in earnest, but if not, at least I'll address the LEADLENGTH issue. Andre🚐 17:05, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• @Andrevan and Launchballer: Please note that the nomination will time out in three days, so please address any remaining issues as soon as possible. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 04:28, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Long enough, new enough. I don't see any issues with the article or any need for a QPQ. The problem I have is that the hook is dependent on knowledge of Dante, which I lack and suspect a broad audience might also. I was going to suggest ALT2: ... that a poem by Moses da Rieti includes an encyclopedia of sciences, a Jewish paradise fantasy, and a post-biblical history of Jewish literature?, but I suspect I might receive a knock on the door from the WP:DYKFICTION police. What else have you got?--Launchballer 11:08, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The above comment appears to be a review asking questions. Placing this icon here accordingly. Flibirigit (talk) 17:33, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ah ok, let me see if I can find another one. Andre🚐 19:53, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How about ALT3: ... that a 15th-century poem by Moses da Rieti is an homage to the Temple of Jerusalem?[1] Andre🚐 22:05, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not that au fait with poems, but if they're anything like music, then they pay homage to stuff all the time. Anything else?--Launchballer 23:50, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, you're not wrong. What's interesting about this poem is the structure and the form, and the content, but I agree that it may be a bit too detailed for a broad audience. I'll see if I can come up with anything else. Andre🚐 00:40, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Alison Creagh (pictured) became a Member of the Order of Australia "for significant service to veterans and their families, and to rowing"? Source: https://www.gg.gov.au/sites/default/files/2020-07/QB20%20Gazette%20-%20O%20of%20A%20V6.pdf
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Marie Breen

Hawkeye7 (discuss) 19:09, 9 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• Comment (not a review). The COI banner on the article (with circumstances detailed on the article talk page) needs to be resolved before this can feature in DYK. Cleanup banners are not intended as a permanent mark of shame for articles, but rather to indicate that something can and should be cleaned up. The question then becomes: do the circumstances described on the talk page mean that there is a COI that should be cleaned up? What must be done to the article to clean it up so this banner can be removed? —David Eppstein (talk) 00:07, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  WP:WTRMT: neutrality-related templates such as {{COI}} (associated with the conflict of interest guideline) or {{POV}} (associated with the neutral point of view policy) strongly recommend that the tagging editor initiate a discussion (generally on the article's talk page) to support the placement of the tag. If the tagging editor failed to do so, or the discussion is dormant, and there is no other support for the template, it can be removed. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:38, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Do you dispute the COI? Or should I have placed a "paid editor" tag instead? This DYK should siomply be closed, as we shouldn't have such "scratch my back and I'll scratch yours" promotion. To quote from a question (not from me) from your 2019 RfA: "In one of the arbitration cases which resulted in a finding against you, there was a finding involving an undisclosed conflict-of-interest that resulted in serious subversion of the FA process. " We here have the same editor with an undisclosed COI at DYK. Here you start wikiwlawyering about the tag (even though I started a discussion about it on the talk page right away, where you haven't responded). Fram (talk) 07:38, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  There was no such finding, and there was no undisclosed COI. What there is is an editor pursuing a pattern of harassment that got them blocked. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 09:49, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Are you really claiming that you have no COI wrt this article now? Or that the finding (passed 10 to 0) that " Hawkeye7 (talk · contribs) has a previously undisclosed conflict of interest [...]" didn't exist? Or both? Fram (talk) 10:40, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  There was no undisclosed conflict of interest. I have never edited for pay. I was an unpaid Wikipedian in Residence with Paralympics Australia. I have only met the brigadier twice: at the Boccia, where the Chef de Mission introduced us and we talked about our work at Paris 2024, and at the Rowing three days later, when I asked for a photograph, which I took and is used in the article. Please cease the personal attacks on myself and David Eppstein, who was only posting a comment. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 18:02, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  An organisation offers you all kind of help so you can write better or more articles about an event they are heavily involved in, and you then write an article about the CEO of that organisation. How is that not a blatant COI? And I have not made any personal attacks about you, and I haven't made any comment whatsoever about David Eppstein, so I have no idea where you see any personal attacks on them. Anyway, I'll raise this at the COIN board. Fram (talk) 18:30, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Without getting into whether or not this should run, WP:DYKTAG explicitly allows articles with COI tags.--Launchballer 23:11, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Full review needed. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:14, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

For context, reviewers should be aware of Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard#Alison Creagh.--Launchballer 04:33, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Engel Nawatiseb left the Landless People's Movement only one month after joining?

• ALT1: ... that Engel Nawatiseb left the Landless People's Movement due to disagreements about who should drive during the party's fifth anniversary celebration? Source: "The source further claimed that these party members felt threatened by Nawatiseb’s position in the party. “People felt why is it only Nawatiseb driving the car and not them?” the source said. Following the complaints, the party allegedly took the car from Nawatiseb.", and "Another party source said Nawatiseb was insulted by a powerful young leader in the party about the usage of the car. “Apparently he wasn’t sharing the car with others. But once a car is assigned to you, it’s difficult to share, because once it is broken it becomes your responsibility,” another party source said. The source said the car was taken away a day after the party’s fifth anniversary. “On Sunday morning when they took the car, they embarrassed and insulted the man,” the source said." [3]
• Reviewed:

-Samoht27 (talk) 23:04, 11 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• I may review this nomination later today, but a quick comment is that while the source goes into detail about why !Nawatiseb was chosen to drive the car, why other party leaders were supposedly upset, and ostensible explanations as to why the car was reassigned, the article itself only talks about !Nawatiseb's embarrassment over the car being taken. I really like the second hook, but the disagreements should be detailed (or at least mentioned explicitly) in the article for the nomination to pass. Yue🌙 17:05, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Also, I think it should be "a celebration of the party's fifth anniversary", because to my understanding he was to drive for the celebration in a specific part of Namibia, as he was the only person qualified in that area. Yue🌙 17:09, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: None required.

Overall: References were spot-checked for verification; no issues arose. Both hooks are verified, but I prefer ALT1. However, I propose to the promoter this rewording of ALT1, which incorporates ALT0:

ALT2: ... that Engel Nawatiseb reportedly left the Landless People's Movement just a month after joining because of disagreements over who should drive during the party's fifth anniversary celebration?

The sources are the two already given. Yue🌙 20:13, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry to butt in, but the article isn't good enough for DYK. At first, I intended to remove the stub tag (we don't run stubs at DYK) but it's arguably still a stub. There is nothing outside of his political career; no early life, education, or what he did before politics. The article therefore fails WP:DYKCOMPLETE. Secondly, the date and place of birth are both unreferenced and that's a violation of WP:BLP. Thirdly, about half the article deals with controversies and that feels unbalanced; hence it fails WP:NPOV. There's a lot more work required to get this ready. I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news. Schwede66 08:17, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Samoht27 did you see the above? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 14:19, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

AirshipJungleman29 Yes, I did, I addressed the issues within the article and informed Schwede66 about the changes.-Samoht27 (talk) 15:58, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, they did, AirshipJungleman29. It’s the last item in my talk page archive 46. I did not understand why the note was not placed here and me being informed via a ping as it hardly makes sense to to start a conversation in a separate place. Either way, I replied that I would leave it to the reviewer to assess. But now I see that the reviewer doesn’t know anything about this as there isn’t anything here about the matter. Which just demonstrates why discussions ought to be kept in one place! Schwede66 16:48, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Schwede66: Is there anything else that needs to happen before this is approved? If not, are you willing to approve this hook, or should we ping the original reviewer? Z1720 (talk) 22:58, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that the beauty of Princess Pabhāvatī was said to light up seven chambers, making lamps unnecessary? Source: Naing, Aung Min (2018). "ရတနာပုံဆရာဥ၏ မင်းကုသကွက်စိပ်" (PDF). Myanmar Academy of Arts and Science. XVI: 470.
  • Reviewed:

Hteiktinhein (talk) 11:45, 11 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• The article is new enough and long enough, no QPQ is needed. The article seems mostly sourced to the primary source, but having a quick search I am satisfied the subject has further coverage. While the source given in this nomination is non-English and without a page number, the hook is sourced in the article to the primary source which does support it. The article would be improved by the use of page numbers for sources. I am unsure about the image copyright, I do not think it can be own work as it is a photograph of an artwork. CMD (talk) 09:25, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Chipmunkdavis:, Thank you for reviewing my first DYK submission. The 'ancient-buddhist-texts' English source is a primary source, but I added it mainly for clarity and better understanding in English. The article is fully supported by the Burmese source, and even without the 'ancient-buddhist-texts' reference, it remains comprehensive. The Burmese source, Kutha Zatdaw (PDF), Myanmar Alin (in Burmese), 16 June 2005, p. 10, is sufficient to cover the entire article. An article from the Myanmar Academy of Arts and Science is also an additional reference that can be used to verify the entire content of the article. If you're unable to verify the Burmese source, please feel free to seek assistance from other Burmese-speaking editors. And I added more English source and page numbers.

Regarding the image, the Buddhist temple artwork is not copyrighted, which is a common case in Myanmar. Buddhist Jataka tales are often depicted in many temples and monasteries across Myanmar. For instance, File:071 The Defeat of Alavaka (9022063790).jpg is an example. In Myanmar and Thailand, temple arts of Buddha cosmology are generally not subject to copyright. Thanks! Hteiktinhein (talk) 20:06, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No problem, it is an interesting article. On the sources, there is no specific issue with non-English sources (although the English backup is appreciated), but as a general point I would suggest including page numbers next to specific claims for all languages. Would you have a link for more information about that copyright situation? CMD (talk) 14:53, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As I’m not an expert on copyright, I’m not sure how to explain it very well. I do know that Myanmar is not a freedom of panorama country, but the Aung Myin Dipa Temple in Patheingyi was established around 1880 by Min Dipa, a minister and court official in King Thibaw's court. The paintings in the temple seem old, but there is no indication of the year they were made or the owner’s name. So, they could be considered under the PD-Myanmar license. However, I don’t want to delay or cause any arguments, so it’s fine to promote my DYK without the photo. I’m withdrawing the photo for now. Pls kindly review. Thanks! Hteiktinhein (talk) 02:59, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Good to go. CMD (talk) 05:44, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Issues with tone remain, see discussions at WT:DYK and the teahouse. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 14:42, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I need some time to pass this. I’ve asked for help from the most senior Burmese editor, but still offline. Hteiktinhein (talk) 19:54, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Milwaukee, Wisconsin, had a commuter train nicknamed the Cannonball operating between suburban Watertown until 1972?

• Reviewed:

Central Corridor (talk) 19:16, 18 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• Hi @Central Corridor:, and welcome to DYK. I'm not doing a full review, but I will provide you with some feedback to help out. Firstly, I have tagged some uncited statements in the article that will need to be cited before this article can pass DYK per WP:DYKCITE. Second, I think the proposed hook will not meet the interesting requirement. It simply states a basic fact that even I, someone obsessed with trains to the point they're in my username, do not find particularly interesting. Fortunately, there are some things in the article that we can use to support a better hook. I was drawn to the sentence "The Cannonball gained a reputation for parties that frequently occurred on the Friday night train outbound from Milwaukee. Passengers brought aboard drinks to share, a band played, and the train often held at intermediate stops to replenish beer and ice."

Based on that sentence, here's my proposed hook: "... that despite being an ordinary commuter train, the Cannonball was often the site of parties with a live band and drinks on Friday nights?"

One other idea would be a hook about how 89% of riders on the pilot program said they would keep riding the train, yet it still wasn't restored. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 21:19, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Central Corridor: Please respond to the above. Z1720 (talk) 22:59, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The nominator has not edited since October 7, 2024. This nomination may need to be adopted to move forward. Flibirigit (talk) 23:01, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have adopted this nomination. I was able to modify one uncited sentence and add a source. I am working on the others, but I’m afraid I may have to remove them. Viriditas (talk) 18:29, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you so much, @Viriditas:! Please comment here when it's ready for me to start the full review. Flibirigit (talk) 18:53, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that the Buddhist monk U Wasawa founded an armed Pyusawhti militia at his monastery and commanded his forces to burn down several villages? Source: https://burmese.dvb.no/post/570515
  • Reviewed:

Hteiktinhein (talk) 09:51, 12 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• Hi, why is no one interested in viewing this DYK for a long time? Please let me know how many days the review process usually takes. Hteiktinhein (talk) 18:19, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Hello Hteiktinhein! DYK is user driven, with various incentives to review hooks such as to complete their QPQ, interest, or simply goodwill. Predominantly foreign-language sourced articles or longer articles tend to take time to review due to the necessity to verify the various points. It is important to understand that, because sometimes it can take hours or even months, with no guarantee on the article being reviewed as soon as you want it to. Patience is important, and it is important to keep in mind there is no inherent rush for the nomination to move forward once it has been put out there. Ornithoptera (talk) 03:03, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Hi @Hteiktinhein: I'm sorry you've had such a long wait to get this article reviewed. I have some problems about this article. In the lead paragraph, you say that "Local media have referred to him as a "Buddhist terrorist"", but (unless I've missed it) neither this Myanmar Now article, this RFA article, nor this Frontier Myanmar article use the phrase. Also, as a person unfamiliar with Burmese politics, this article confuses me. Some of these sources seem laudatory of U Wasawa (for example this National Post blog), but they are being treated as reliable sources for an article which is largely critical of him. Can we explain why some sources are for him and some are against? And how the various groups in this article are related? Why the YMBA support him and what the title "Mingala Dhamma Jotikadhaja" means? As this article is, I don't think it can go forward. Best, Tenpop421 (talk) 15:31, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that the Virginia Beach Police Department has a force larger than that of Richmond, the state's capital?
  • Reviewed:

Erin (SSBelfastFanatic) (talk) 16:44, 17 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• Promising factoid, but with no provided citation to back it up here. Article was created 15 days ago (on September 3)—a week and change beyond the normal eligibility deadline—but became an AFC graduate on the 13th, so at least we're good here. Said article also has a {{more sources needed section}} banner, which fails WP:DYKCOMPLETE and might as well be addressed ASAP. To the editor now known as @PhoenixCaelestis: As far as your DYK skills are concerned, you're starting to get there, and with two go-rounds in this arena so far, I'll forgive you for that. Wishing you luck next time, and best of editing! --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 12:15, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Slgrandson: I have solved the tag by yeeting the whole section and several others, that one per WP:DUE.--Launchballer 14:08, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Slgrandson: Is this approved? If not, what does @PhoenixCaelestis: have to do? I note that your review makes no mention of a copyright check and I think you should do one.--Launchballer 21:02, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@PhoenixCaelestis: I've waited long enough for @Slgrandson: to respond, so I'm taking over. By "I think you should do [a copyright check]", I mean "there is close paraphrasing in this article"; much of what Earwig picks up comes under WP:LIMITED as it is the name of the crime, but there are still common phrases that could be changed. Ping me when done.--Launchballer 11:41, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Nathania Ong had not even seen the musical when she was offered the role of Éponine in Les Misérables?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Hurry Up Tomorrow

KINGofLETTUCE 👑 🥬 13:49, 17 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• More of a comment than a review, but while I do think the hook is marginally interesting, I imagine theater actors being offered roles in plays they'd never seen before is actually not uncommon. As such, I wonder if additional hook angles could be proposed here. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:07, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Narutolovehinata5: that's a reasonable point, though this was what I deemed to be the most interesting "factoid" in the article. And even if it really were the case (that this is "actually not uncommon"), how many times have such hooks appeared on DYK? It sure can't beat the river-related hooks of yesteryear 😆 KINGofLETTUCE 👑 🥬 14:15, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that the 1913 Polish novel The Cross and the Crescent is one of the earliest examples of military science fiction genre in Polish literature? Source: https://sf-encyclopedia.com/entry/uminski_wladyslaw
  • Reviewed:
  • Comment: QPQ pending

_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 15:20, 24 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• I will be closing this in 24 hours if I don't see a valid QPQ before then @Piotrus:.--Launchballer 14:39, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • QPQ done: Template:Did you know nominations/KXXV. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 02:03, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• QPQ provided.  — Chris Woodrich (talk) 19:50, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• General eligibility:
• New enough: - Article was created on 16 September, nominated on 24 September (8 days). Article was not expanded fivefold within the 10 days preceding the nomination.
• Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Aydoh8^[contribs] 01:03, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Per WP:DYKNEW, seven days can be extended by a day or two upon request. This is fine.--Launchballer 01:07, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that the 1909 Polish novel Bloody Bread about the struggles of Polish immigrants in the US was in the 1950s briefly criticized by the Polish communist censors for "glorifying the United States"? Source: http://wrh.edu.pl/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/299_PDFsam_WRH-t.-XII-2015.pdf
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/KAUT-TV (added from below September 29)
  • Comment:

_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 15:17, 24 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• I will be closing this in 24 hours if I don't see a valid QPQ before then @Piotrus:.--Launchballer 14:39, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Launchballer: Which policy allows such a speedy closure? I was under the impression QPQ can be done several days or even weeks later, while the nom is on hold. For now, have one here: Template:Did you know nominations/KAUT-TV . I will try to do QPQs for others later this week. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 16:17, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WP:QPQ: A nomination which doesn't include a QPQ (and is not from an exempt nominator) may be closed as "incomplete" without warning.--Launchballer 00:19, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Piotrus: Per a recent rule change as a result of this discussion, the old rule where QPQs must be provided within a week of the nomination has been phased out. Instead, QPQs should be provided at the time of the nomination, and any nomination that does not immediately provide a QPQ is liable for closure. Doing the QPQs "later this week" is no longer sufficient: they have to be given at the time of the nomination, and you must provide them as soon as possible if you do not want your nominations to be closed. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:07, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• • @Launchballer and Narutolovehinata5: Thanks for the heads up. I am not very happy with this change. I've always done my QPQs on time, with submission (and I've done hundreds of them), but just recently someone translated a bunch of my articles form pl wiki without heads up, and I am trying to rescue some of them for DYKs within the time period - and I am a bit busy IRL so for the first time I delayed QPQ. And then this happens. Sigh. You know you can trust me do to my QPQs, no? It's not like I will drop noms here and run. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 02:16, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Launchballer already gave an ultimatum for your open nominations: provide a QPQ within 24 hours of the messages, or they will be closed. If you do not think it will be feasible to complete them all in time then it may be better to just let them go for now and try to avoid this repeating in the future. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:23, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Just noting that a QPQ was provided for this nom, so it needs a full review.--Launchballer 21:30, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Columbia Records wanted to change a song title on the 1968 album The United States of America by the band of the same name, because it referenced the then recently deceased Che Guevara?

• ALT1: ... that the title of the 1968 album The United States of America was intended to be a political statement akin to "hanging the flag upside down"?

• • Reviewed:
  • Comment: Had to find an alternate source that I could easily link to as the article uses a book source

Iostn (talk) 21:45, 23 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• Not a review, but ALT2: ... that the United States of America falls short of being really satisfying? would make an excellent April Fools' hook.--Launchballer 22:17, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It would be brilliant. But add the italics and the quotation marks and it should work reasonably well on any day. Surtsicna (talk) 20:02, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• The article was promoted to GA status 5 days before the DYK nomination. It is, unsurprisingly, also long enough and it meets the sourcing, neutrality, and copyright requirements. The hooks proposed by Iostn are fine, but there is a clear potential for something much grander. See Launchballer's suggestion. We rarely get such gems in the rough, Iostn, but let me know if you cannot bother and I will approve your original hook. Surtsicna (talk) 20:13, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Surtsicna, I think I'm going to hang on with this nom and wait for the April Fools' proposal, if possible Iostn (talk) 15:51, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Iostn: While quirky, I do not think this hook fits the spirit of the type of hooks used in the April Fools DYK set. Z1720 (talk) 23:06, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Guantanamo Bay prison probably didn't have an official playlist?

• ALT1: ... that the creator of the theme song for Barney laughed when he found out it was used during American interrogations? Source: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/jun/19/usa.guantanamo
• ALT2: ... that Drowning Pool played "Bodies" at Gitmo after it was used to torture a detainee there? Source: https://www.vice.com/en/article/postcard-from-guantanamo-slahi-guantanamo-diary/, https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/americas/guantanamo/article160037809.html
• Reviewed:
• Comment: I personally prefer ALT1, but it's a minor preference. Edit October 31: New hook added, which I think I like more.

Based5290 :3 (talk) 04:02, 23 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that the Pa'O religious figure Khun Tan seducing hundreds of young girls by portraying himself as the next Buddha? Source: https://burma.irrawaddy.com/women-in-media/2017/11/08/145696.html
  • ALT1: ... that in hopes of gaining good luck, young girls in the Alantaya area were offering their first virginity to Khun Tan, who claimed to be the future Buddha? Source: https://www.irrawaddy.com/news/burma/police-hunt-man-claimed-next-buddha-abuse-young-women.html
  • Reviewed:

Hteiktinhein (talk) 06:34, 20 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• Neither hook meets WP:DYKBLP. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:02, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • I understand. How about the news hooks below:

ALT1-a: ... that, in hopes of gaining good luck, six girls from the Alantaya area were married to Khun Tan, a layman who claimed to be the future Buddha?

ALT1-b: ... that Khun Tan, a young guy, is worshipped as a bodhisattva in the Alantaya religious area?

ALT1-c: ... that girls in the Alantaya religious area believe that marrying the layman Khun Tan would bring blessings? Hteiktinhein (talk) 18:52, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• This will require a new reviewer, although given the nature of the subject, WP:DYKBLP will be very relevant to both the article and any of the hooks. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 16:14, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that the biblical command to "spare no one" has been applied to Native Americans, Rwandan Tutsi, and Palestinians?
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/1917 Łódź City Council election ‎

(t · c) buidhe 05:50, 20 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• I don't see the hook in the article. It is OR to interpret labelling one's enemy "Amalek" as applying biblical command to "spare no one". I haven't checked the sources, but the article does not support the hook. Srnec (talk) 17:14, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Well, the original hook I was thinking of is ALT1 below but I wasn't sure if it would be accepted either.
• ALT1: ... that genocide in the Hebrew Bible has been cited as an inspiration by the Crusaders, Rwandan Hutu, and Israeli leaders? (t · c) buidhe 02:55, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• I'll take a stab at this. I trust Buidhe to be the subject expert and do good research, but I concur that the section on "Justification for violence" here is a bit underdeveloped for the hooks proposed. I can't find the text of the article clearly confirming ALT0. As for ALT1, I'd ask "justification for what"? Carrying genocide? But that is not clear from the short quote about Pope Urban in the 11th century and then... Martin Luther? Did Luther called or tried to justify some genocide? I'd ask for that section to be expanded, clearly stating who said what, and in particular, who might have tried to justify genocide. The second paragraph in that section is more clear, and perhaps an ALT2 about "Genocide in the Hebrew Bible being used by Israeli leaders to justify their actions in the Israel-Hamas war" might be fine, and would probably draw more views too. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 05:06, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Alt1 isn't about justification, rather inspiration. Leaving aside Luther's arguably genocidal stated beliefs about Jewish people, something along the lines of your hook may be better. (t · c) buidhe 03:43, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• ALT2 ... that Israeli leaders have described their enemies in the current Gaza war as targets of divinely commanded genocide?

(t · c) buidhe 03:43, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• I think most readers would probably still interpret that as "Israel is committing a genocide in Gaza because the Bible told them to", which I don't see support for in the sourcing. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 18:33, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• @Piotrus: Have your concerns been resolved? If not, what else needs to be done? Z1720 (talk) 23:10, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• @Z1720: @Buidhe: @Theleekycauldron: Sorry for late reply, I wasn't pinged and my watchlist have moved beyond being manageable years ago. I'd approve hook 2 (ALT2) except new concerns have been raised by theleekycauldron and they should be replied to by the nom. Can we come up with a better hook or reword something to address them? (I still think the justification section in article is poorly written, but that is not a DYK-level concern). --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 01:20, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that the front façade, gateway, mosque and minaret of Barquq Castle in the Gaza Strip were still standing until 2024?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Have I Got News for You (American game show)

Onceinawhile (talk) 00:03, 23 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• @Onceinawhile: Please note that per a recent rule change, a QPQ must be provided at the time of the nomination or at most immediately after. The nomination may be failed without further warning if a QPQ is not provided as soon as possible. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:53, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for letting me know. I have done the QPQ now. Onceinawhile (talk) 06:04, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Full review needed now the QPQ has been submitted. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:20, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that a modern Polish fairy tale, written during the time of martial law in Poland in the 1980s, mixes the themes of real-world environmental protection and fantasty-like gnomes? Source: Kowalczykówna (1989) cited in the article
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/History of education in Wales before 1701

_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 05:32, 1 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that məθkʷəy̓ was not harvested or walked over, because it had grown from the droppings of a two-headed serpent?

• Reviewed: Noken system
• Comment: Will work on the QPQ shortly, thank you to the reviewer in advance! Done the QPQ!

Ornithoptera (talk) 23:02, 30 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• @Ornithoptera: Just a question: is the weird spelling of the subject on purpose? IIRC, non-standard/stylized spellings are discouraged on DYK. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:22, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Narutolovehinata5, the "weird spelling" in question is the Americanist phonetic notation that is used for Indigenous North American languages. Like many terms in the languages of the Pacific Northwest Coast, məθkʷəy̓ is not "romanized" in the traditional sense because they still use Latin characters and contemporary inclusions of the notation are often unedited, such as "ʔálʔal Café" rather than "All-all Cafe" I will provide some examples of such:

• The hən̓q̓əmin̓əm̓ word “məθkʷəy̓” was initially transcribed in English as “grass,” resulting in xʷməθkʷəy̓əm (Musqueam) People being known as “People of the River Grass.”
• The tall grass is to represent Musqueam, the flowering plant məθkʷəy̓, which grows in the Fraser River estuary. Stories have been passed on from generation to generation that explains how we became known as the xʷməθkʷəy̓əm — People of the məθkʷəy̓ plant.
• The Musqueam people are the people of the məθkʷəy̓, the river grass, and we have stewarded the mouth of the Fraser River since time immemorial.
• The name xʷməθkʷəy̓əm (Musqueam) relates back to the flowering plant, məθkʷəy̓, which once abundantly grew throughout Musqueam territory.
• The məθkʷəy̓ was described as a saχʷəl, which means “grass” or "plant." It was initially transcribed to English as a grass, and for some time the xʷməθkʷəy̓əm people have been known as “people of the river grass.”

For further reading, here is a quote from the University of British Columbia on the matter: "In the 1970’s, the Musqueam community began their journey towards language revitalization, and formally adopted the North American Phonetic Alphabet (NAPA). NAPA allows the sounds of hən̓q̓əmin̓əm̓ to be more accurately conveyed in writing. The symbols that may be unfamiliar to you, including ə, q̓, θ, xʷ, and more have corresponding phonetics that you can learn in order to pronounce written hən̓q̓əmin̓əm̓."

There is no "standard" transliteration, most English language sources refer to the plant as məθkʷəy̓ with no alteration. The article title was based on the one that Wayne Suttles employed in his 2004 Musqueam Reference Grammar, but there are multiple ways to transliterate this term without a standardized form, nor is there much of a need to, as the base of the notation are Latin characters. I thought it would be ideal to use the term with no alteration as many other sources have before. Ornithoptera (talk) 21:04, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I see. I was asking because, from what I remember, DYK usually doesn't use non-Latin characters in hooks. I'm pretty sure there was a guideline about it (I think using the language template?) Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 22:24, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

To my understanding Narutolovehinata5, the Americanist phonetic notation is (to a degree) the Latin alphabet, and I'm sure there have been instances where letters such as Þ or ð have made their way into DYK before. For the record, I am comfortable with adjusting it if at the end of the day it is in violation of DYK guidelines, but I thought it might be good to have my thoughts on the matter before jumping the gun. I do hope that there isn't a double standard for some non-standard characters from certain languages over others. Ornithoptera (talk) 00:12, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that self-help psychologist Sonya Friedman published a book on women who were monogamous with two men at the same time?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/History of chocolate
• Comment: The article was moved to mainspace with this edit.

Silverseren^C 23:42, 24 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ALT1 that according to self-help psychologist Sonya Friedman, men are just desserts? Thriley (talk) 01:35, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ALT2 that according to self-help psychologist Sonya Friedman, a hero is more than just a sandwich? Thriley (talk) 02:14, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ALT3 that self-help psychologist Sonya Friedman, encouraged women to "give up junk food love and find a naturally sweet man"? Thriley (talk) 02:19, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ALT4 that psychologist Sonya Friedman stated in her final 1991 self-help book that, with women becoming more independent and less reliant on men, it was "time for women to grow up"? Silverseren^C 03:54, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ALT5 that psychologist Sonya Friedman recommends that all women create their own "totem", a collection of objects that represent themselves and important turning points in their lives? Silverseren^C 00:40, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook eligibility:

• Cited:
• Interesting:
• Other problems: - Issue with the use of the word monogamous in ALT0

QPQ: Done.

Overall: New enough (moved from draft to mainspace on 23 Sept), long enough, neutral and plagiarism-free. ALT3 has its own set of issues so I'm putting that aside. ALT1 and ALT2 are hooks that feature the name of books published by the subject in a quirky but somewhat confusing way. My preference is for ALT0, but this hook has its own problems, as it's based on Friedman's steamy, self-help book Secret Loves: Women with Two Lives (1994), which plays with the definition of monogamy ("the practice or state of being married to one person at a time; the practice or state of having a sexual relationship with only one partner") by redefining a form of non-monogamy ("any relationship style that involves more than one partner, or having sex with people outside of a primary relationship") as a kind of monogamous polyandry, which is a contradiction in terms. How to resolve this? The source for the hook is a newspaper interview, where Friedman says the women in question are married to one man and having an affair with a second, which she describes as "monogamous-to two men". But by definition, that's a form of polyandry, which is non-monogamous. Someone help me square this circle! Viriditas (talk) 01:04, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I suppose if we wanted to be cheeky, we could wikilink monogamous in the hook to polyandry instead of monogamy. Otherwise, we could just unlink it and put it in quotations. Silverseren^C 01:17, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

When I look directly at the book, I can see that she is attempting to address the psychology of adultery by placing it in the context of the assumed, unreasonable social expectations of herterosexual monogamy, and by doing this, she shows that these are extramarital affairs, which contrasts with consensual non-monogamy or open relationships. The author, a clinical psychologist, explains that the women whose stories she collected were responding to a pathological situation in their life: "the wives in essentially unhealthy relationships sought healthier ones." Obviously, she can't discuss this longform in a brief interview, so I think what she meant to say was not that they are "monogamous-to two men", but rather they are psychologically dedicated to two men, one of whom fulfills them on one level, and a second on another. For the author, this is a form of monogamy because the women she studied don't go beyond that, but this is not a normal use of the term. More importantly, she does not use the term like this in the book. It might be best to create another hook. Viriditas (talk) 01:43, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How is ALT4 I just added above, Viriditas? Silverseren^C 03:54, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I will address ALT4 in just a moment. I do want to backup a bit and finish addressing ALT0, as even if we don't use the hook, the article body itself still says "The thing that unified the women she interviewed was that they were all monogamous with two men at the same time." But the so-called "interview" says "What binds them is their having a two-track existence that allows them to preserve their marriage while having a more fulfilling relationship. They are monogamous-to two men." On the one hand, I think the text to source integrity could be worked on here, but after thinking about this for several hours, I'm almost convinced the interview is inaccurate. I read a while back that interviews like this are very often not interviews at all, but a newspaper writer summarizing a longer discussion with the author and piecing things back together in a way that makes it readable. Obviously, this isn't going to be true for all interviews, as many are verbatim, but it may be true for this one. What if the writer chose the wrong word here in their summary? What if that word was monogamy? I say this, because looking through her book, I don't see any claim similar to this one, so for me, that's a red flag. I posted a link to the book online up above, and there are other copies available as well, so take a look and tell me what you think. I'm pretty sure we should remove/rewrite that bit from the article given this state of affairs, since it's quite clearly not monogamy. I apologize if I come off being difficult, as that wasn't my intention. Viriditas (talk) 09:02, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

To address ALT4: When I saw this, my mind immediately went to Bill Cosby and his controversial pronouncements and WP:DYKHOOKSTYLE (or what used to be called, C11: "Excessively sensational or gratuitous hooks should be rejected"). There are currently 3.95 billion women in the world. There's also my mother and my sister. For this hook to pass the sniff test, I ask myself, how would my mother and my sister react? Not well, is the answer. First off, the hook is a sound bite out of a larger explanatory context, without which it can easily be misunderstood. Friedman is making a larger argument: 1) men are unnecessary to a happy life 2) women often use men to avoid facing reality, and 3) self-knowledge is the key to a happy life, not a man, that comes after. So just to say it's "time for women to grow up" is catchy, but it doesn't work. But to make matters worse (and compare with ALT0), Friedman never said that! You're quoting Ellen Creager's words, not Friedman's. So let's also set that aside and look at what you have. There's some great potential hooks in Creager's article that you haven't used, for one. Check out the second page. That bit about totems is wild. It's perfect (and it's straight out of Inception). You will need to add it to the article, however. Please think about it, or consider creating something else. Apologies for the length of my comments. Viriditas (talk) 09:02, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I expanded the article with totem info and added ALT5 up above, Viriditas. How's that? Silverseren^C 00:40, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that compared to collectible card games, expandable card games focus more on storytelling and cooperation? Source: https://www.playthepast.org/?p=6913 and its subsequent parts linked in the article as refs
  • ALT1: ... that expandable card games are sometimes known as "living card games", but the latter term, while popular, is trademarked by a single company, preventing its use by competitors? Source: http://www.pairofdiceparadise.com/expandable-card-games-ecg-trademarks-patents-3-of-3-a167.php
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Genocide in the Hebrew Bible

_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 13:43, 24 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• I think there is an issue with the article, which is that going by the most of the sources in the article and the hook source, the WP:COMMONTERM appears to be "living card game", and therefore that should be the title of the article and the boldlink. For related reasons I think ALT1 is actually the more interesting hook, though it would benefit from rephrasing to make it punchier. I'm keen to hear other opinions. David Palmer//cloventt ^(talk) 23:59, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Polish journalist and resistance member Kazimierz Sakowicz spent three years recording the deaths of tens of thousands in his diary, which was eventually published decades later? Source: Margolis (2005), or Wilczewski (2009), or Guesnet (2003)
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Maximiliano Hernández Martínez

_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 14:31, 25 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• Article is interesting and the hook is captivating and not too baity. I removed the picture of Sakowicz, because it clearly isn't him and the picture isn't from 1939.Marcelus (talk) 11:47, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that the judges of the Culinary Class Wars (pictured) were blindfolded and spoon-fed?

ALT1 ... that the judges of the Culinary Class Wars suffered from eating so much but Paik Jong-won (pictured) still ate his packed lunch too?

• • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Magic (play)
  • Comment: There's some clean-up to do now the first season has finished but it's time to make a start

Andrew🐉(talk) 20:52, 2 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• At the time of nomination the article was exactly 7 days old (which fits I guess), and the length seems to fit standard. There are some good English sources and a lot of Korean coverage, so I don't doubt that this is notable. Earwig says no copyvios, but the article is a bit messy. (Why does the "endless cooking hell" section have nothing in it, for one?) Most importantly, the hook is also little bit vague, and I don't think it would capture much attention. Good day, Wuju Daisuki ^{(Talk? 뭐 그까이꺼 대충!)} 17:11, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• The show was released in three installments and the first season has finished now. The article has been fleshed out to complete details of all the rounds. I'm doing some further clean-up and completion. More anon. Andrew🐉(talk) 13:47, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• @Wuju Daisuki: The article has been expanded and I've added an ALT hook for your consideration, please. It works well with the picture, I reckon. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:20, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• @Wuju Daisuki: Have your concerns been resolved? If not, what else needs to be done? Z1720 (talk) 23:14, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

* @Z1720: The article looks in better shape now, but the alt you provided is not well written, nor would it be very interesting if it was. Good day, Wuju Daisuki ^{(Talk? 뭐 그까이꺼 대충!)} 02:22, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• @Z1720: Thanks to Z1720 for taking an interest. I'm not understanding Wuju Daisuki's objections to the ALT1 hook, which seems fine to me. Maybe we just have different tastes. To help avoid an impasse and establish a consensus, please could Z1720 say what they think of the hooks? Andrew🐉(talk) 10:38, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• @Andrew Davidson: My opinion is that I am confused by ALT1 because I do not know who Paik Jong-won is. After looking at the image caption and clicking on Jong-won's link I was able to piece together that he is a judge, but it takes too long for me to understand the hook. I like ALT0 more because it is succinct and understandable. If the image is going to be used, it needs to be included in the article. Z1720 (talk) 11:36, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Thanks for the feedback. I'm still content with ALT0 too but will mull over ALT1 to see if it can be made clearer. More anon. Andrew🐉(talk) 12:33, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Indian street artist Hanif Kureshi, working pseudonymously as Daku, would use Google Street View images to practice his art before rendering them on the streets? Source: [Livemint]
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Booby Island (Saint Kitts and Nevis)

Ktin (talk) 01:27, 28 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• Extremely no-fun comment: If this goes on the main page, the copyright status of the images in it should be clear. I'm looking at c:Commons:Copyright_rules_by_territory/India, and it says that there is not freedom of panorama "For copyrighted 2D (paintings, drawings, maps, pictures, engravings, etc.)". It seems that only sculptures, and art that is not "Paintings, drawings, or photographs", has FOP. So.. did Hanif Kureshi dedicate his art to the public domain? Is his estate (if any) willing to, if he didn't? I'm not demanding the images be removed or anything, just that if we can't be sure, it may be better to withdraw the nom and keep the possibly questionable images than proceed with the nom if the image copyright status can't be ascertained. (Of course, if the copyright status can be ascertained to be good, then great.) SnowFire (talk) 03:06, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that slop emerged in 2024 over “pollution”, “garbage” and “dross” as the preferred term to describe low-quality AI-generated material?

• Reviewed: N/a
• Comment: First own DYK nomination. I like this one because a lot of people contributed (images, categorizations). Feels very fresh.

Jenny8lee (talk) 20:39, 4 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook eligibility:

• Cited:
• Interesting:

Image eligibility:

• Freely licensed:
• Used in article:
• Clear at 100px:

QPQ: None required.

Overall: Welcome to DYK Jenny8lee, I hope you have a wonderful time here, and I hope I can help facilitate your entry the best I can! Created and nominated within a week, long enough, sourced and neutral. QPQ not required because of the nominator being below 5 nominations. I have some questions regarding the hook, since the original article's wording was as such:
"One increasingly intuitive answer is “garbage.” The neuroscientist Erik Hoel has called it “A.I. pollution,” and the physicist Anthony Aguirre “something like noise” and “A.I.-generated dross.”"
It seems like these terms were used by one or two people, rather than being in use beyond those individuals quoted within the article. I believe it might be a good idea to re-word the hook(something along the lines of "AI slop has been referred to as "garbage", "pollution", and "dross"), or find something else altogether. The quotes within the lead of the article should be attributed to their sources as well. In addition, I'm not entirely sure whether the AI generated image is free (regarding the copyright of a derivative work, this is a fairly new policy as well). I'm going to ping @Theleekycauldron: to see what they think regarding the matter. Ornithoptera (talk) 02:34, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• @Ornithoptera: I think I'd go further than you to say that the Times source doesn't even verify that "slop" is the preeminent term! Since all AI imagery is considered public domain by Commons, public domain derivatives are a-okay. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 18:15, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• @Ornithoptera: Thanks for the feedback. How do I change the hook once it has been submitted? Jenny8lee (talk) 19:24, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• @Jenny8lee: To propose a new hook, start a new line with ALT1 (in bold) below, then put the text of the hook next to it. Z1720 (talk) 23:15, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ALT1 that thousands of people showed up in Dublin, Ireland for a non-existent Halloween parade due to an article on an AI-produced website in what became a viral example of AI slop in the physical world.

Source 1: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/dublin-fake-halloween-parade-ireland-ai-advert-b2639505.html Source 2: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/24/opinion/ai-annoying-future.html

• ... that during Phoebe Plummer's May 2024 jury trial over a climate protest, the court finished early on several days due to the heat? Source: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/may/15/uk-climate-activists-convicted-in-first-trial-of-new-anti-protest-laws
  • ALT1: ... that an October 2022 protest involving Just Stop Oil member Phoebe Plummer inspired many activists worldwide to throw food at paintings? Source: https://www.thepinknews.com/2023/11/17/just-stop-oil-phoebe-plummer-prison/
  • ALT2: ... that when Phoebe Plummer faced trial over the Just Stop Oil Sunflowers protest, they were "unfortunate" to draw Christopher Hehir as judge? Source: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/09/30/just-stop-oil-soup-throwing-protests-moral-toddlerhood/
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Zero-emission zone in Oxford, Template:Did you know nominations/CyberJoly Drim, Template:Did you know nominations/Ajah Pritchard-Lolo
  • Comment: Plummer was created 27 September, though I did a 5x expansion on 2 October, added Just Stop Oil Sunflowers protest three days later, and added Christopher Hehir two days after that.

Launchballer 03:13, 2 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that both the Old City of Gaza and the Old City of Nablus have been repeatedly damaged by Israeli invasion and bombardment?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Abdul Ahad Azad and Template:Did you know nominations/Sun Jianai

Onceinawhile (talk) 09:57, 29 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• @Onceinawhile: Not a review, but there are massive amounts of unsourced content in both articles and "International Journal of Heritage Architecture: Studies, Repairs and Maintence" is coming up as deprecated/predatory on WP:UPSD. What makes it reliable?--Launchballer 22:24, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Launchballer. All the sources are in the bibliography - let me add in-line citations throughout where they have been missed. I will confirm when done.

On the Jihad Awad source, I am confident that it is reliable - Professor Awad is full professor of architecture, currently head of architecture department at Ajman University, and this paper (a conference submission) is cited in his official University biography page. He subsequently published an article covering a similar topic here. The statement is not difficult to source elsewhere if needed. Onceinawhile (talk) 20:05, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fine by me. Full review needed.--Launchballer 03:19, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WIT Press conferences are scams. That source must absolutely be replaced. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 00:34, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Eating Out 2: Sloppy Seconds focuses on a gay man who pretends to be straight so he can seduce another man?

• ALT1: ... that Eating Out 2: Sloppy Seconds featuring a scene where a character has sex in a portable toilet caused many actors to drop out? Source: Quantic, David (May 29, 2007). "Serving Seconds: The Making of Eating Out 2". Eating Out 2: Sloppy Seconds. Ariztical Entertainment.
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Farnese Artemis

PanagiotisZois (talk) 18:04, 28 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• Not a review, but ALT0 fails WP:DYKFICTION. ALT1 should be fine on that front.--Launchballer 20:33, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Launchballer: Thank you for contributing to the discussion. :) Taking that into account, would ALT0 work as "that Eating Out 2: Sloppy Seconds focusing on a gay man who pretends being straight to seduce another man came from writer-director Phillip J. Bartell's desire to invert the first film's premise?"? I can come up with a few alternatives if needed. PanagiotisZois (talk) 22:16, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ALT2 still violates that policy I'm afraid, and I still think ALT1 is more interesting. I would however suggest a slightly shorter version of ALT1 per WP:DYKTRIM, ALT1a: ... that a scene in Eating Out 2: Sloppy Seconds caused many actors to drop out?. Full review needed.--Launchballer 20:43, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Launchballer: I fear that if ALT1 is trimmed, it will end up becoming less interesting. On the one hand, it can be argued that it creates a sense of mystery. As in, "why did many actors drop out?". But on the other hand, the idea that actors dropped out of a role because the character has sex in a portable toilet is definitely unique and will also catch people's attention; I think. PanagiotisZois (talk) 21:42, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I can see arguments either way, I'll let a reviewer/promoter decide.--Launchballer 22:10, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

PanagiotisZois, this is not a review either, but I'm afraid retaining ALT1's bit about sex in a toilet would be borderline "excessively sensational or gratuitous" as per WP:DYKINT; concealing the scene in question through ALT1a should arguably make for an "Intriguing hook that leaves the reader wanting to know more". Nineteen Ninety-Four guy (talk) 16:39, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@PanagiotisZois: Please respond to the above. Z1720 (talk) 23:16, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think this requires PZ's attention as there is still a valid hook on this page, i.e. ALT1a. This needs a reviewer.--Launchballer 23:20, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Roger Farmer was the first NFL player from Barbados?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Celie Ellis Turner
• Comment: QPQ will be done within 24 hours.

BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:08, 7 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• Starting review. Updates to follow. Ktin (talk) 15:22, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook eligibility:

• Cited:
• Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Article meets eligibility criteria. Recently promoted to GA status. No issues with tone / neutrality nor with plagiarism. Hook is reasonably attractive. Sourced to a NFL record sheet / database. At some point I thought DYK frowned upon hooks like "the first x from y". But, I am not able to find that discussion. Nevertheless, I am happy to mark this hook approved. That said, if the nominator wants to attempt a different hook, I am available for a review. Handing this back to the nominator. QPQ done. Ktin (talk) 15:39, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This hook fails the interestingness check in my view. Someone is going to be the first NFL player from Barbados, and so all this is really telling me is that it's a guy named Roger Farmer; there's zero element of surprise. Sdkb ^talk 04:11, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Will see if I can come up with an alt hook tomorrow. BeanieFan11 (talk) 02:18, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Could do something like: ALT1 ... that Roger Farmer was among the first two NFL players to come from his high school, to come from his college, and to come from his country? (refs 14/15/16) BeanieFan11 (talk) 02:43, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Might be me, but, this is hard to follow as a statement and I personally don't think it is adding to the 'interestingness'. Ktin (talk) 04:39, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There have also been several of these "first NFL player from X" hooks proposed lately. Given the recent pushback against "first" hooks, it might be safer to go with a completely different angle here. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:16, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Ktin, Narutolovehinata5, and Sdkb: Maybe something like ALT2 ... that Roger Farmer made the NFL despite playing in college for small schools that mainly had "terrible records"? ("he went to Eastern Arizona, which had terrible records both years he was there ... In 1976 ... he came to Baker along with several Arizona recruits from junior colleges ... While Farmer started, Baker had a terrible 1976 record") BeanieFan11 (talk) 01:03, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yup, that works. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:24, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@BeanieFan11: There are two things that I am not comfortable with -- 1. What is a "small school"? There is no objective agreed definition and I do not think we should send that phrase to the homepage. 2. Though I see your attempt to add terrible records within double quotes, it still comes across as WP:WIKIVOICE and imo that phrase should not go to the homepage. Ktin (talk) 04:22, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Ktin: Would the angle be more acceptable if the quote was attributed rather than being in Wikivoice? Something like:

• ALT3 ... that Roger Farmer reached the NFL despite playing for schools that the Salina Journal described as having "terrible records"?
• ALT3a ... that Roger Farmer, the first NFL player from Barbados, reached the league despite playing for schools that the Salina Journal described as having "terrible records"?

Other than that, if more information could be found about his personal life and post-NFL career, maybe a new hook based on that could be proposed. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 04:01, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Negussie Roba was an Olympic sprinter who later coached Olympic gold marathon runners?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/James Davis (escaped convict)
• Comment: Thought it a little interesting that a sprinter (short distance) would become one of the world's best marathon (long distance) coaches.

BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:05, 7 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• What makes this DYK-worthy? Many former athletes become coaches. (t · c) buidhe 23:53, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • As said above, Thought it a little interesting that a sprinter (short distance) would become one of the world's best marathon (long distance) coaches. – could try to develop an ALT though if that's not interesting enough. BeanieFan11 (talk) 00:09, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • There's no indication in the hook that Rob was a top coach, only that he coached top athletes. (t · c) buidhe 00:11, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      • I thought it was implied by developing Olympic gold medalists – but do you think it would be interesting enough if I clarified that? BeanieFan11 (talk) 00:13, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
        • I think it would definitely improve the hook... (t · c) buidhe 14:11, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
          • Then ALT1 ... that Negussie Roba was an Olympic sprinter who later became a top marathon coach? BeanieFan11 (talk) 01:23, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Henri Claireaux was the first French senator from Saint Pierre and Miquelon?

• ALT1: ... that for 22 years, Henri Claireaux was the only person to have ever represented Saint Pierre and Miquelon in the French Senate? Source: same
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Fred the Head
• Comment: This would be the first DYK bio for Saint Pierre and Miquelon since 2009.

BeanieFan11 (talk) 22:50, 9 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• Hi BeanieFan11, review follows: article moved to mainspace on 2 October and exceeds minimum length; article is cited inline throughout to what look to be reliable sources; the sources are either in French or paywalled so not much I can check on paraphrasing but Earwig is clear; QPQ has been carried out; I've struck ALT1, although it is supported by the source the overall length of his tenure was just shy of 22 years; on ALT0 the source and article don't say "first French senator from Saint Pierre and Miquelon" but first to represent the place in the Senate. Unlikely I know but it leaves open the possibility that someone from there was elected to the senate as a representative of somewhere else. Perhaps AL2 below works? Happy to consider alternatives. - Dumelow (talk) 17:12, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• ALT2: ... that Henri Claireaux was the first representative for Saint Pierre and Miquelon elected to the French Senate?
  • @Dumelow: I'm fine with ALT2. BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:36, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I think it technically needs another reviewer to approve - Dumelow (talk) 05:47, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@BeanieFan11 and Dumelow: I'm sorry, I find ALT2 far too person-does-their-jobby to meet WP:DYKINT. What else have you got?--Launchballer 18:34, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@BeanieFan11, Dumelow, and Launchballer: How about ALT3 ... that Henri Claireaux criticized the devaluation of the French franc in 1958, claiming it devolved Saint Pierre and Miquelon into "a state bordering on poverty"? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 16:02, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'd be fine with that. BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:49, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that the cast of The Perfect Couple created a WhatsApp group to avoid filming a dance sequence to the theme song?

• ALT1: ... that Meghan Trainor's song "Criminals" being used as the theme song of The Perfect Couple fulfilled a lifelong dream of hers? Source: Today
• ALT2: ... that Spotify streams of Meghan Trainor's song "Criminals" increased by 1770% following its inclusion in The Perfect Couple, prompting her to add it to the set list of her tour? Source: Deadline
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/The Power of Babel

NØ 20:27, 7 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• Not a review, but if we go with ALT1, I recommend trimming "being used as the theme song of The Perfect Couple".--Launchballer 16:33, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that a 2013 book about how the The Lego Group reinvented itself became a popular business text? Source: https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2017/jun/04/how-lego-clicked-the-super-brand-that-reinvented-itself
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Mathias Nkwenti

_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:22, 6 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that the Australian Light Weight Air Warning Radar was designed to break down into waterproof containers that fit in the Douglas DC-2, were taken ashore from a trawler in canoes, and in one case manpacked up 200 foot cliffs? Source: Minnett and Briton both detail the waterproof aspect and DC-2, Minnett relates it being brought ashore by canoe and quotes the cliffs
  • Reviewed: Sanjna

Maury Markowitz (talk) 13:47, 3 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that Maria Muntañola Cvetković was once said to be the only mycologist to be a professor of mycology? Source: Que nosaltres sapiguem, és l’única micòloga que hagi ostentat el títol de professor de Micologia (a Espanya, tots els micòlegs acadèmics som professors de botànica, de microbiologia, de fitopatologia o de dermatologia)./As far as we know, she is the only mycologist who has held the title of professor of Mycology (in Spain, all academic mycologists are professors of botany, microbiology, phytopathology or dermatology).
  • ALT1: ... that after fleeing to Argentina as a Spanish Civil War refugee, Maria Muntañola Cvetković became one of Yugoslavia's first microfungi experts? Source: Degut a les condicions cada vegada més precàries durant la Guerra Civil, la seva família es traslladà a Buenos Aires, Argentina ... on Maria Muntañola acabà els seus estudis de Secundària./Due to increasingly precarious conditions during the [Spanish] Civil War, her family moved to Buenos Aires, Argentina ... where Maria Muntañola finished her High School studies.
  • ALT2: ... that after being born in Spain and educated in Argentina, Maria Muntañola Cvetković became one of Yugoslavia's first microfungi experts? Source: the doyen of Yugoslav and Serbian mycology, Prof. Dr. Maria Muntañola Cvetković ... born in Barcelona in 1923, and later moved with her family to Argentina ... she was one of the first mycologists in Yugoslavia that studied microfungi
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/June Franklin
  • Comment: ALT0 was the toughest one to work with, given that Richard P. Korf was also professor of mycology 1961-1992, but I still found it intriguing enough to have nonetheless.

ミラP@Miraclepine 19:32, 10 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that the 1896 History Instructing Youth (pictured) is a US one-dollar bill featuring a woman on the obverse and the reverse?

• ALT1: ... that History Instructing Youth (pictured) was part of the1896 Educational Series of US paper money and features books on the obverse? Source: source for description of image and source for name of the bill.
• ALT2: ... that the scene on the obverse of the 1896 US one-dollar silver certificate (pictured) is an allegorical depiction of a teacher? Source: source
• ALT3: ... that Martha Washington's portrait on the 1896 US one-dollar silver certificate (pictured) was the last time a woman was featured on US paper money? Source: Martha Washington, the United States's initial first lady, appeared on U.S. $1 silver certificates in 1886, 1891 and 1896. and on the back of the 1896 one-dollar note. Martha Washington remained the only woman whose image has been featured prominently on U.S. paper currency and Martha Washington’s portrait appeared on the 1886 and 1891 series of one-dollar silver certificates. Her portrait was used again next to her husband, George, on the back of the 1896 one-dollar note. Martha Washington remained the only woman whose image has been featured prominently on U.S. paper currency
• ALT4: ... that it took Charles Schlecht more than two years to engrave the plate for the 1896 US one-dollar silver certificate (pictured)? Source: Schlecht began work on the engraving for the obverse in August on 1892 and completed his work on January 1, 1895.
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/University Village (Manhattan)
• Comment: There is also language about this being the most beautiful US paper money but it is subjective and requires attribution. There is also the

Bruxton (talk) 15:29, 9 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that Richard Alan Masters' design for a quarter featuring a fruit bat, fueled now-debunked conspiracy theories that the US government was involved in spreading COVID-19?

• Reviewed:

Hyungsubshim (talk) 18:30, 5 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• You do mean the quarter, right? Not the national park itself. Daniel Case (talk) 02:49, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The current hook is far above the 200-character limit and thus cannot be used. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:14, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Hyungsubshim: Please suggest alternative hooks that are below the 200 character limit. Z1720 (talk) 23:20, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• No response from the nominator despite activity, as well as a ping and multiple comments here regarding hook issues. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 03:05, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Leonardo DiCaprio was set to star in the film adaptation of Leonardo da Vinci?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Mongrel (2024 film)

―Panamitsu (talk) 03:30, 5 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that Fawzia Amin Sido, who was abducted during the Yazidi genocide and forced to marry a Palestinian ISIS fighter, was rescued from Gaza in an operation involving the Israeli army, the US and others?

• Reviewed:

Galamore (talk) 09:15, 4 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• The sources used (VoA & BBC) don't even mention any involvement of Israeli forces except a spokesperson saying: "The Israeli military said Ms Sido was eventually freed during a "complex operation coordinated between Israel, the United States, and other international actors" and taken to Iraq via Israel and Jordan". … Iraqi foreign ministry official Silwan Sinjaree told Reuters that several earlier attempts to rescue her over the course of about four months failed because of the security situation in Gaza.

So according to the sources, Israel was certainly involved and probably partly enabled her escape, but also the security situation in Gaza had actually delayed her rescue.

That this is a remarkably heartbreaking story is not disutable, that she was rescued as a result of Israeli army actions seems pure spin based on these sources.Pincrete (talk) 14:02, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that journalists can avoid sanewashing with the truth sandwich technique?

• ALT1: ... that Rob Tornoe wrote in Editor & Publisher that journalists can avoid sanewashing with the truth sandwich technique? Source: Tornoe, Rob (2024-10-01). "The 'sanewashing' phenomenon". Editor and Publisher. Retrieved 2024-10-05. So, how do you avoid sanewashing Trump or any other politician? The first thing you can do is employ a 'truth sandwich' in your coverage. Developed by author and linguist George Lakoff and promoted by New York University professor and author Jay Rosen, it basically means to surround a lie or misstatement with the truth.
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Chili Williams

Jonathan Deamer (talk) 08:22, 12 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• 2 bits of jargon readers are unlikely to know is too many for a hook. I would try another one that focuses on sane washing specifically without introducing other terms. (t · c) buidhe 23:57, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • ALT2: ... that Will Bunch, columnist at The Philadelphia Inquirer, believes sanewashing "has all but clinched Merriam-Webster's Word of the Year for 2024"? The Philadelphia Inquirer: "I think sanewashing has all but clinched Merriam-Webster’s Word of the Year for 2024 — not just for its cleverness, but because finding the right language may be having a positive impact on our politics and our future."
  • ALT3: ... that according to Urban Dictionary, the word sanewashing was coined in a Reddit forum for neoliberals in 2020? Columbia Journalism Review: "The term itself actually isn’t new, and it wasn’t born in media-criticism circles, per se; according to Urban Dictionary, it was coined in 2020 on a Reddit page for neoliberals (which Linda Kinstler wrote about recently for CJR), and meant “attempting to downplay a person or idea’s radicality to make it more palatable to the general public."

@buidhe Thanks for the feedback! Fair point. I've added two alternatives above. I'm trying to keep it about language/journalism rather than go into an (even more) political territory for DYK purposes. Jonathan Deamer (talk) 17:26, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ALT2 doesn't seem like a hook unless it happens, the etymology mentioned in ALT3 is not particularly noteworthy for 21st century neologisms. I feel like you should have some good material in the article, maybe a hook focusing on a particular alleged instance or in relation to the main political figure to which it's applied (i.e. trump) would be better. (t · c) buidhe 14:10, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@buidhe I hear you on "focusing on a particular alleged instance or in relation to the main political figure to which it's applied". Here are a couple of different spins on a similar idea:

• • • ALT4: ... that both Tim Walz and JD Vance were accused of sanewashing in the 2024 vice presidential debate? MSNBC: On Tuesday, Vance took that same "sanewashing" approach to the debate stage in New York. When pressed by the moderators about Trump calling climate change a "hoax," for example, Vance deflected. Instead of answering yes or no, Vance tried to "interpret" for Trump. The Hill: The term 'sanewashing' is going around among liberal media critics, the idea that the media is too willing to normalize [former President] Trump and Vance's behavior," Silver said in a Substack post Wednesday. "Wasn't Walz sanewashing Vance? He said nothing about the Republican ticket's conspiratorial claims about Haitian immigrants eating pets, for instance.
    • ALT5: ... that Nate Silver suggested Tim Walz was sanewashing by not mentioning Donald Trump's "conspiratorial claims about Haitian immigrants eating pets" in the 2024 vice presidential debate? The Hill: The term 'sanewashing' is going around among liberal media critics, the idea that the media is too willing to normalize [former President] Trump and Vance's behavior," Silver said in a Substack post Wednesday. "Wasn't Walz sanewashing Vance? He said nothing about the Republican ticket's conspiratorial claims about Haitian immigrants eating pets, for instance.

• ... that Neknampur Lake restoration "has been recognised as a role model in the 'watershed development' category along with four other projects" in India?

• ALT1: ... that the restoration of Neknampur Lake was recognised "as the best model of lake restoration in India"? Source: * ^{[5] [6] [7]}
• Reviewed:

Sarvagyana guru (talk) 06:05, 7 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• Article seems good enough for DYK (all content referenced, hook is neutral enough - citing attributed praise), copyvio spotcheck at 20% seems good (green), long enough, new enough. QPQ is needed, please ping me when it is done. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 04:11, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Piotrus:

I think I had reviewed three nominations (as per best of my understanding). These are

• Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Sankar_Montoute
• Template:Did you know nominations/Hugh O'Neill, Earl of Tyrone
• Template:Did you know nominations/It's OK I'm OK

Note to Sarvagyana guru and Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus: the QPQ reviews provided do not appear to be complete DYK reviews, covering all the basic DYK criteria such as newness, length, neutrality, free of copyvio, hook cited and interesting, and so on. In particular, Sankar Montoute and It's OK I'm OK only discuss the hook, and Hugh O'Neill, Earl of Tyrone only mentions length and "well-sourced" in its approval, which is not adequate. I have also adjusted both hooks to change the italics into quote marks; I also discovered that the article failed to properly identify the actual quotes for those hooks, which is technically a copyvio, so I have adjusted it accordingly. This meant adjusting the quotes to cover more material. (In once case, two apostrophes together were used in the article rather than the double-quote character, causing italics there rather than visible " marks at the beginning and end of the quote.) Piotrus, I think a more careful review of the quoted material is in order, given what I just found. Thank you. BlueMoonset (talk) 14:44, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@BlueMoonset: I see, thank you. I confirmed before and double checked now that the quoted terms for the hook(s), i.e. 'watershed development' and 'best model' appear in sourced cited, so the article seems fine, once the QPQ reviews are done (well, a single one will suffice to pass this, but it would be good to fix the others, which @Sarvagyana guru: can then use as fuel for two more DYKs :) PS. Sarvagyana guru, please WP:PING me when you reply here to me, otherwise I may not see your message. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 01:10, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Piotrus: As per the feedback received, review of DYK for Sankar Montoute done. Review of It's OK I'm OK and Hugh O'Neill, Earl of Tyrone will also be attempted as per given suggestions. Sarvagyana guru (talk) 06:03, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@BlueMoonset: I think the QPQ for the Sankar Montoute is ok now? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 07:22, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Piotrus, the new review seems to cover what's needed, though I haven't checked the details. (Minor quibble: if sources are being accepted AGF because they can't be checked online, then the tick should be the gray {{DYKtickAGF}} rather than the regular green ({{DYKtick}}, but it's a common error made by reviewers of all experience levels.) BlueMoonset (talk) 16:31, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that it was proposed for the Jurong East MRT station in Singapore to have a recurring disco to increase its vibrancy?

• Reviewed:
• Comment: Add wikilinks for 'Jurong East MRT station'

Imbluey2 . Please ping me so that I get notified of your response 14:17, 5 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• Claiming this for review and hope to get to this within the next few days. For what it's worth I like the hook and think it's interesting. I've made some copyedits to the hook such as linking and bolding. Given that the nominator is Imbluey2 and not ZKang123, no QPQ is necessary. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:43, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The article was promoted to GA status on time and I didn't find any close paraphrasing (the 34.6% figure Earwig gives is a false positive). No QPQ is needed for Imbluey2 as nominator (had ZKang123 done the nom, a QPQ would have been required). The hook is interesting and cited inline. My only concern is a minor one: the article/hook and the source do not fully agree. The article says that Yao proposed discos, but the newspaper source said a disco. That may need to be clarified. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:54, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The newspaper said a reoccurring disco in the station. It should be added to the hook as "it was proposed for the Jurong East MRT station in Singapore to host a reoccurring disco party to increase its vibrancy?". Maybe modify the "reoccuring" part since it doesn't really flow well imo. Imbluey2. Please ping me so that I get notified of your response 13:49, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello @Narutolovehinata5? Can we continue with the DYK nomination? Imbluey2. Please ping me so that I get notified of your response 23:56, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm still waiting for the discrepancy to be resolved. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:00, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Narutolovehinata5 fixed the DYK hook to "a recurring disco" since the newspaper source said that it was proposed for people to host a disco. Yeo's quote of justifying his proposal implied that the disco would recurring ("maybe in the evenings", evenings in this context implies reccurance imo). Imbluey2. Please ping me so that I get notified of your response 10:49, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know. The source doesn't outright say "recurring", and while one could argue that the meaning is implied, the lack of a direct support from the source probably makes that specific wording unsafe. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:19, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Just to follow-up, the article and hook still need to match the source before this can be approved.

Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:25, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I've been busy the past few days and forgot about this. Anyways, I was wondering if it's possible to get a third party to comment on this matter? It's unclear what the news article meant so I think we should get someone else's oponion.Imbluey2. Please ping me so that I get notified of your response 15:00, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Trainsandotherthings and SounderBruce: Would it be okay if either of you take a look at this and give feedback on the hook sourcing and wording? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:43, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, thanks for the ping. Based on my interpretation of the source, the person proposing the disco wanted to hold it in the evenings (plural) which implies a recurring event. That's just my reading of the source, so I don't claim to be objectively correct. I've placed this discussion on my watchlist for a month, so I'm happy to help out further if needed. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 14:20, 2 November 2024 (UTC) Note: I did not promote it to GA status, it was ZKang123. I just did some minor edits including the disco one.[reply]

• ... that in 1970 Sheikh Zayed, of the United Arab Emirates, gave £40,000 to Margaret McKay MP, to fund a "pro-Arab" PR campaign, and gave Christopher Mayhew MP £50,000 to start a bimonthly magazine, Middle East International?

• Reviewed:

Padres Hana (talk) 15:50, 9 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• The current hook is not suitable as it is far above DYK's 200-character limit. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:26, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that a 1962 calypso song commemorated the relaunch of Saint Kitts and Nevis radio station ZIZ?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Typhoon Virginia (1957)
• Comment: It all started last weekend when I Googled up "Caribbean broadcasting call signs" while browsing results for various regional TV stations on a whim. A GBooks result offered a tidbit on an entity called VP2LO, a shortwave outlet that in the years ahead evolved into the Kittitian national broadcaster--a topic I broke ground on back in my early days on WP. (I was lucky to save it from A7 during its December 2007 launch--barely.) Face it, WP is still in dire need of better and more extensive coverage on Caribbean media.

Apologies if I used a thesis here, but regrettably, it's the only source mentioning this factoid--anywhere--as far as Google's aware (WP:AGF). Meanwhile, as I type, Doc Taxon at WP:RX has been taking care of the last three bits we need to get this finished.

First of two DYK candidates of mine before Milton approaches my home area; see you in another couple of hours with the next one.

P.S. Wonder if there are any established editors from Saint Kitts and Nevis itself? (I myself hail from Dominica.)

P.P.S. As always, special greetings to Barbados' CaribDigita (talk · contribs) and Trinidad's Guettarda (talk · contribs)--along with SafariScribe (talk · contribs), who approved one of my recent go-rounds at AFC, The Right and the Wrong.

Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 23:52, 8 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that two U.S. best-seller lists initially classified The Children's Book of Virtues as nonfiction, but later moved it to their fiction charts?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/E-Defense
• Comment: One of two follow-ups to my expansion campaign for fellow DYK stalwart The Book of Virtues, the other being The Moral Compass. My final candidate in this arena before Milton's impact where I live; wish me safety, take care, and I'll see you back. (With special thanks to this selection's AFC approver, Sir MemeGod (talk · contribs) Bkissin (talk · contribs).)

Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 03:16, 9 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

I was wondering why I got pinged to a random DYK, now I know! :D SirMemeGod  12:20, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Sir MemeGod: Sorry, I mixed up my reviewers days ago; see above for correction. (You actually approved Children's, while Bkissin approved Compass.) --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 20:24, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that after the Texas and Pacific 610 locomotive was retired from service in 1950, it was donated to Fort Worth, Texas, publisher Amon G. Carter and became named after philosopher Will Rogers?

• Reviewed:
• Comment: I honestly only want to know what earning the DYK nomination is like, after successfully nominating two pages the Good Article grade. I just wasn’t sure which fact is the most interesting in No. 610’s page.

Someone who likes train writing (talk) 20:50, 7 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

Comment I think this would be a better hook:

• ...that after being bought for $1 to save it from scrapping, Texas and Pacific 610 was one of three steam locomotives to pull the 1976 American Freedom Train commemorating the United States Bicentennial?

I'm not certain which sources in the article support this, but I'm sure you can provide them, @Someone who likes train writing:. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 21:07, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment That actually sounds better. Thank you, @Trainsandotherthings:. Here are a couple of sources that back this fact up.:

• Marrs, Jim (February 25, 1976). "Hundreds Due to Greet Engine 610". Fort Worth Star-Telegram. p. 4 – via Newspapers.com.
• Boyd, Jim (February 1978). "Tales of a lanky Texan". Railfan. Vol. 2, no. 2. Carstens Publications. p. 31.

Someone who likes train writing (talk) 21:59, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that one of the most popular places to learn swing dance and lindy hop is in Malmo, Sweden?

• • Reviewed:

Wroliver (talk) 18:17, 7 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• Hi Wroliver, the article says onyl that the "Herrang Dance Camp is one of the most popular places in Europe to learn swing dance and Lindy Hop" and is sourced to its Wikipedia article. This wouldn't be acceptable and would need an independent source. Additionally it doesn't seem to have much to do with the subject of the article LaTasha Barnes, a hook focussing on her would be preferred. Finally, the article has been tagged for promotional tone and unclear citations that needs resolving before it can be posted - Dumelow (talk) 09:38, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Wroliver, just a reminder on this. If I don't hear back in the next couple of days I will close the nomination as unsuccessful. All the best - Dumelow (talk) 21:18, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'd propose ALT1: ...that jazz dancer LaTasha Barnes began her career as a sergeant in the U.S. Army? Sdkb ^talk 05:29, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Marking for closure as article continues to have significant citation issues. It has also been tagged for promotional content - Dumelow (talk) 08:40, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wroliver has requested to keep this open for another day or so. There is significant work to be done here to address the tags on the article though - Dumelow (talk) 22:56, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Alt DYK proposed for LaTasha Barnes article: DYK that dancer/choreographer LaTasha Barnes began her career as a sergeant in the U.S. Army? ^[1]

Note: I have made some revisions to the article to address concerns mentioned, including removing the Wikipedia reference and replacing it with a better reference. I've attempted to keep a neutral tone throughout, and changed some of the language for that purpose. Please let me know if any other changes are needed.Wroliver (talk) 21:31, 29 October 2024 (UTC) https://teknopedia.ac.id/wiki/LaTasha_Barnes[reply]

Hi Wroliver, thanks for getting back to me. I have been through "Early years" and "Performing career" and noted a few bits that are not supported by the sources cited. Can you look to resolve these and any other similar parts of the article before I continue the review - Dumelow (talk) 10:43, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've also tagged a sentence copied verbatim from the cited source. Please address this and also any other similar instances, we cannot violate copyright in this way - Dumelow (talk) 10:49, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Wroliver, further to your message on my talk page I have looked at the next section "Cultural Ambassador and Educator". Again it is full of statements not supported by the source cited or where better sources are needed. Can you please address these and look at the remaining two sections to check for similar issues. It is very frustrating to have to go through this article line by line. It is basic policy here that anything stated in the article should be supported by the source - Dumelow (talk) 08:25, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Diane Leather was the first woman to run a mile in under five minutes?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Typhoon Thelma (1977)

Oldelpaso (talk) 22:24, 14 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• Can we do better than this? If any woman has run the mile in under 5 minutes, someone had to be the first, and the hook doesn't provide any more information. (t · c) buidhe 23:51, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Are you saying a world record isn't notable and/or hook worthy? Or are you asking for more context such as a link to Mile run world record progression? I was trying to keep the hook as succinct as possible. Oldelpaso (talk) 02:01, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Another issue is that the hook proposed is a "first" hook, which per WP:DYKHOOK usually needs exceptionally strong sourcing given the exceptional claim involved (how are we sure that no other woman before Leather ran a mile in under five minutes?) Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:21, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The article includes cites describing her in those terms from the World Athletics website (the organisation that ratifies world records in the discipline, formerly known as the IAAF)[5], the BBC [6], Guardian [7], NYT [8], Washington Post [9] and others. Oldelpaso (talk) 21:37, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I could work in some reference to Roger Bannister in the hook, as his far more well-known first sub-four minute mile occurred the same month and thus they are frequently compared, but I'd rather not. It was how overlooked Leather's achievement was compared to the male equivalent that prompted me to expand the article in the first place! Oldelpaso (talk) 21:55, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that conductor and composer Amaury du Closel (pictured) founded the Forum Voix Etouffées to revive the music of composers whose voices were silenced by totalitarian regimes of the 20th century? Source: [10]
  • Reviewed: Methuselah (lungfish)
  • Comment: On the Main page RD but without blurb, so still eligible

Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:44, 14 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• The article was new enough and long enough at the time of the nomination. I didn't find any close paraphrasing. A QPQ has been fully completed. As the article was only featured on RD rather than as a blurb, it is still eligible for DYK. The image is properly licensed and is suitable at its resolution.

The hook doesn't meet WP:DYKCITE at this time as the footnote supporting it comes later in the paragraph than it should. The hook is referenced to a French source so AGF, although a Google Translate translation seems to verify the information. Apart from the sourcing, my only real concern (since the hook is interesting) is the language in both the hook and the article might not meet the guidelines on words to avoid in articles, specifically WP:PEACOCK since they're arguably more flowery. Rather than using "silenced", or the lead section's current wording, perhaps it may be toned down a little more to suit the guidelines. The nomination will be approved once those wording and citing issues are addressed. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 14:20, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for reviewing. I duplicated the references to a sentence earlier. I tried to translate the name of the organization and his book: "Erstickte Stimmen", which was originally in German. I understand that "erstickt" means "suffocated" and believe that "silenced" is almost too harmless compared to that. Other options from my translator are "suppressed" and "stifled", the latter being a word I never heard before and therefore hesitate to use. If you say it is better, I'll believe you. Or what would you suggest? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:41, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The current hook is also really long, at 183 characters, so it might be a good idea to shorten it a bit. If that can be done while making the hook/article meet WTW, that might help. Perhaps Launchballer or CurryTime7-24 can propose such revisions to ALT0? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 15:44, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Knowing Gerda's strong feelings on DYK hooks, I'm not sure I can be of help here. However, I do agree that this hook is a mouthful and would benefit from a trim. Also, the phrase "whose voices were silenced" ought to be modified per WP:SUBJECTIVE, MOS:EUPHEMISM, and possibly MOS:CLICHE. It would be clearer to say "to revive the music of composers suppressed by totalitarian regimes". —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 19:51, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

CurryTime7-24, did you read (just above) that I tried to translate the name of the organization in a more elegant way than putting it in brackets? I believe that you could help with that. Voix Etouffées, Erstickte Stimmen, what is it best in English? It's their program. I would seriously like to find out even if we don't use it for the hook. - In an earlier hook, we said "music banned by the Nazis" which is of course shorter but too narrow. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:02, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It seems to be officially known by its French name, so I'd stick with that. Sometimes organizations are internationally known by their native name (e.g. Gesellschaft der Musikfreunde). For what it's worth, "etouffée" translates to "stifled", "smothered", or "muffled". —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 20:22, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am sorry that I was not precise: of course I didn't want to replace the French name of the organization, but translate it for those who don't know French. All three words are new to me, so I can't tell what would be best. Or give up the idea? Then what would you suggest? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:42, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Trying without "voices":

ALT0a ... that conductor and composer Amaury du Closel (pictured) founded the Forum Voix Etouffées to revive music that was suppressed by totalitarian regimes of the 20th century?

Trying simple translation:

ALT0b ... that conductor and composer Amaury du Closel (pictured) founded the Forum Voix Etouffées (Stifled voices) to revive music suppressed by totalitarian regimes of the 20th century? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:49, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Didn't grasp what you were telling me at first; I'm sorry for my pedantic reply. :) Although these are not literal translations, I think "suppressed", "persecuted", or even "oppressed" better convey the intended spirit of "etouffée" in the context of the organization name. Both ALT0a and ALT0b seem great to me! —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 22:06, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I like ALT0a. As long as the wordings in the article are also fixed we should be good to go with it. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:25, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In the hook, we have no space. In the article, I replaced a duplicate "persecuted" in the lead by "suppressed", but in the prose used "voices stifled" (in quotation marks) to make the connection to the name. It appeared there only for the Nazi regime. If you have better ideas please try. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:25, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@CurryTime7-24: Are you okay with the way "voices stifled" is used in the article, or do you think it should be rephrased? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:43, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Musa al-Gharbi has argued since the 2016 election of Donald Trump that media outlets including The New York Times opinion page and MSNBC have failed to understand his supporters?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/School lunch in Japan
• Comment: A bit late of a nomination. Thank you Oganguly for your help! I would like this to run on 6 November, the day after the US Presidential election.

Thriley (talk) 07:16, 18 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that the ruins of the East Syriac church Pearl Temple are the subject of Du Fu's poem "The Stone Shoots: A Ballad"?

• Reviewed:

Uriel1022 (talk) 13:54, 15 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that the MrBeast Lab toy line first debuted in a pop-up store in the shape of an overturned tanker truck carrying toxic waste?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Irish Museum of Time

Johnson524 17:08, 12 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that one of the oldest European manga and anime fandoms is located in Poland, dating to the mid-90s? Source: Reczulski (2023, pp. 117–118, 266) - book is in Polish, but open access as a pdf so a dedicated reader can translate it via machine translation, if you don't want to just AGF
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Battle Hymns (Manowar album)

_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:57, 10 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that "Scary Monsters and Nice Sprites" is a mosquito repellent?

• ALT1: ... that "Scary Monsters and Nice Sprites" protects against dengue fever? Source: "Dubstep artist Skrillex could protect against mosquito bites". BBC. 1 April 2019. Archived from the original on 18 July 2023. Retrieved 1 April 2019.
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Get the Hell Out
• Comment: My attempts at quirky hooks.

Skyshiftertalk 14:13, 9 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• Might I suggest ALT2:
  • ... that mosquitoes are scared by Scary Monsters and Nice Sprites? Di (they-them) (talk) 02:08, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • @Di (they-them): this is a very good one that I support! Skyshiftertalk 03:03, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Skyshifter: Please provide a QPQ as the nomination is liable to be closed without further warning if one isn't provided during or immediately after the nomination. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:58, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Narutolovehinata5: I thought one could be provided in a week. In that case, I will provide it in a day maximum. Skyshiftertalk 03:03, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Skyshifter: The rules recently changed per a WT:DYK discussion as part of an anti-backlog campaign and to prevent QPQ-less nominations from languishing without a QPQ indefinitely. Now, a QPQ must be given when or shortly after the nomination is created, and a nomination without a QPQ may be closed without warning if none is provided immediately. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 03:15, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Narutolovehinata5: done! Skyshiftertalk 01:37, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I want to ask that if/when this hook is approved, it be set for October 31 to go with the Halloween set (Wikipedia talk:Did you know#Halloween set). Di (they-them) (talk) 03:23, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Di (they-them): I support this! Skyshiftertalk 01:37, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Florentina Holzinger's work includes nude all-female casts, live sex, self-mutilation, dildo use, defecation, coprophagia and live piercing, leading to severe nausea for some theatregoers?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Neath, New South Wales

Edwardx (talk) 19:45, 17 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• This is not a review, but the hook seems sensational to me. Could either of you provide some alternatives? Nineteen Ninety-Four guy (talk) 05:39, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1: ... that over the opening weekend of Florentina Holzinger's first opera, eighteen audience members required medical treatment for severe nausea?--Launchballer 18:08, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that , since it was deconsecrated, the Church of Santa Maria Maggiore in Santa Croce, Venice, has been used as a stable and a tobacco warehouse and that its grounds now house a prison? Source: http://www.veneziamuseo.it/TERRA/Santa_Croce/Crose/crose_cie_mazor.htm https://cultura.gov.it/luogo/chiesa-di-santa-maria-maggiore-di-venezia https://www.invenicetoday.com/%5C/tour/chiese/Santa-Croce/Chiesa-di-Santa-Maria-Maggiore.htm https://storico.beniculturali.it/mibac/opencms/MiBAC/sito-MiBAC/Luogo/MibacUnif/Luoghi-della-Cultura/visualizza_asset.html?id=153604&pagename=57
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Hollywood Boulevard Commercial and Entertainment District

Bogger (talk) 08:13, 15 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• The current hook is a bit hard to read and might need some trimming. How about:

ALT1 ... that following its deconsecration, the Church of Santa Maria Maggiore in Venice and its grounds have been used as a stable, a tobacco warehouse, and a prison?

Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 04:06, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The article also has a couple of stub tags (which it shouldn't have, since it's not a stub); both need to be removed before this is approved. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 04:18, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Zachtronics' final game, Last Call BBS, contains elements of all of their previous?

• ALT1: ... that Last Call BBS contains a chip-manufacturing game, a model building simulator, a game of Solitaire, and more? Source: https://hardcoregamer.com/news/the-final-zachtronics-with-last-call-bbs-early-access-release/424600/ ("There's always solitaire on the desktop to keep you busy ... circuit creation, and even a Gundam-style model creator.")
• Reviewed:

'''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 08:32, 10 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that Salmon n' Bannock's notoriety led to the owner reconnecting with her long-lost family?

• ALT1: ... that actress Jane Fonda "went crazy" for Salmon n' Bannock's smoked oolichan? Source: The First Nations food “was a first for me,” Fonda wrote on her website, “and the food, all Indigenous recipes, fresh and local, was delicious.” Owner Inez Cook recalls, “she went crazy for the smoked oolichan.” Stainsby, Mia (9 May 2018). "Restaurant review: First Nations food shines at Salmon n' Bannock". Vancouver Sun. Retrieved 10 October 2024.
• ALT2: ... that Vancouver restaurant Salmon n' Bannock features an all-Indigenous Canadian staff? Source: “My bistro is unique. It’s the only restaurant in Vancouver that offers 100 percent First Nations’ food, and it’s staffed entirely by Native people” Tammemagi, Hans (13 September 2018). "Traditional Food Makes a Comeback in the Pacific Northwest". ICT News. Retrieved 11 October 2024.
  "From the outset, Cook wanted Salmon n' Bannock to feature an all-Indigenous team representing as many different Nations as possible." Urwin, Simon (18 March 2021). "The restaurateur who overcame Canada's Sixties Scoop". BBC. Retrieved 10 October 2024.
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Slop (artificial intelligence)
• Comment: Thank you so much in advance for the reviewer for their time reviewing this article! In terms of some context for the first hook, Inez Cook was a victim of the Sixties Scoop, a policy of forced assimilation which saw Indigenous Canadian children removed from their families and placed into White Canadian households. Cook is Nuxalk, but was removed from her culture. The restaurant's coverage led to Nuxalk community members coming to the restaurant and finding her extended familial ties within the community and beyond.

Ornithoptera (talk) 02:55, 12 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that Anatolii Brezvin began a program to open 60 ice rinks in Ukraine within five years?

• ALT1: ... that Anatolii Brezvin helped establish a minor ice hockey championship in Ukraine, and sought to open 60 ice rinks? Source: https://www.iihf.com/en/events/2024/wm/static/60880/anatolii_brezvin
• ALT2: ... that Anatolii Brezvin created a women's ice hockey championship in Ukraine, and entered their national team into the IIHF World Women's Championship? Source: https://www.iihf.com/en/events/2024/wm/static/60880/anatolii_brezvin
• Reviewed: Nathaniel Coe and Albert Schädler
• Comment: I volunteer two QPQ credits for one nomination, to help reduce the backlog of nominations without reviews.

Flibirigit (talk) 21:52, 11 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

Reviewing...:

• New enough: yes.
• Long enough: more than long enough (very nice!).
• Adequate sourcing: given that most of the sources are in Ukrainian or Russian, I had to use translation tools to verify that the basic facts of the biography are well-sourced.
• Neutral: yes.
• Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: Not sure if closely translating is considered plagiarism or paraphrasing? I'm inclined to accept this as is.
• Hooks cited: yes.
• Hooks interesting: maybe? The original hook could be interesting enough. The two alts don't seem particularly interesting to me compared to the original. But I think the original could be improved by mentioning that the target 60 wasn't reached but I'm unsure if this can fit within the 200 character limit and/or whether this violates WP:DYKHOOKBLP. Basically I'm kinda okay with the original hook but would like to workshop this more. Maybe something like: ... that Anatolii Brezvin began an ambitious program to open 60 ice rinks in Ukraine within five years but only managed to complete 12 and refurbish two? (148 characters).
• QPQ: Both done.

Overall, the article is a very nice addition to Wikipedia, but maybe we could have a better hook? —seav (talk) 22:36, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Expanding ALT0 to include what resulted from the program is not going to entice anyone to click the link, since they already know that he failed. I feel that I identified the three most interesting aspects in the biography and proposed a hook for each. Possible more interesting hooks would be from odd juxtapositions. I will comment further tomorrow. Flibirigit (talk) 17:22, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that restaurants in Guangzhou named a fried egg dish after Fengshan (pictured)?

• ALT1: ... that the assassination of Fengshan (pictured) resulted in a pun combining fried eggs and bombs? Source: Zhu Jiang (朱江) (9 October 2010). "Bombs Fall" 炸弹落入 (in Chinese). Phoenix Television. Retrieved 11 October 2024. "后来一段时期，因“炸弹”与“炸蛋”同音，广州不少餐馆曾把这道菜叫做“凤山入城”。(Later, because "bomb" and "fried egg" have the same pronunciation, many restaurants in Guangzhou called this dish "Fengshan Enters the City)."
• ALT2: ... that Fengshan (pictured) began as a translator but ultimately led several divisions of the Beiyang Army? Source: *Rhoads, Edward J. M. (2000). Manchus and Han: Ethnic Relations and Political Power in Late Qing and Early Republican China, 1861–1928. Seattle: University of Washington Press. ISBN 978-0-295-98040-9.
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/The Cock Destroyers (1 of 2)

 — Chris Woodrich (talk) 21:38, 11 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that Sachin–Jigar's 2024 single "Aaj Ki Raat" from the film Stree 2 peaked at #1 on Billboard India for consecutive eleven weeks through 24 August 2024 to 2 November 2024?

• ALT1: ... that Sachin–Jigar's 2024 single "Aaj Ki Raat" from the film Stree 2 was shot on Tamannaah Bhatia's birthday in the 5 degree temperature? Source: https://www.aninews.in/news/entertainment/bollywood/its-special-because-i-shot-it-on-my-birthday-tamannaah-bhatia-on-her-song-aaj-ki-raat-from-stree-220240727200804/
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Doris Ilda Allen

KunalAggarwal95 (talk) 16:44, 11 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that Ragnvi Torslow, a five-time Swedish figure skating champion in 1920s went on to be one of the founders of the Bilkåren voluntary defence corps, training 3000 women to drive during World War II?

• Reviewed:

MumphingSquirrel (talk) 18:19, 13 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that Elin Falk revolutionised the teaching of gymnastics in Swedish schools in the early twentieth century?

• Reviewed:

MumphingSquirrel (talk) 21:01, 17 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that Gutidara is played with balls made from water buffalo's horns? Source: Translated Source 1 Translated Source 2
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Flag of Falcón state
  • Comment: Article is created 3 days age, complies with pros and character size. Originally translated from corresponding Bengali article. Any copyedit is always welcome for betterment.

FaysaLBinDaruL (talk) 18:37, 16 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that Chen Qiyou, a would-be assassin, later became part of the Chinese Committee for World Peace?

• ALT1: ... that Chen Qiyou was made a personal representative of Chiang Kai-shek in Hong Kong, but later published a newspaper challenging his leadership? Source: Song Yuzhi (宋淯知) (5 September 2018). 陈其尤：其心昭昭 致公情尤 [Chen Qiyou: His Heart is Clear and His Love for the Public is Strong]. China Children's Press (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 13 October 2024. Retrieved 13 October 2024 – via Xinhai Revolution Network.
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/The Cock Destroyers (2 of 2)

 — Chris Woodrich (talk) 00:45, 14 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that Manipuri socialist politician Thokchom Chandrasekhar Singh was jailed for 12 months for protests in favour of restoring the state legislative assembly?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Anticlea elegans

Soman (talk) 15:15, 13 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that out of 148 candidates in the 1957 Manipur Territorial Council election there was only one woman?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Dundonald House

Soman (talk) 15:12, 13 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that as a nine-year-old, disability rights advocate Anastasia Somoza lobbied U.S president Bill Clinton for her twin sister to be allowed to join her in a mainstream classroom? Source: Desert News
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Kiki Wong

Innisfree987 (talk) 09:30, 13 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that Nazi crimes against children resulted in over two million victims, from actions such as euthanasia to kidnapping and mass murder? Source: 2m estimate from cited book Lukas (1994). For other keywords, see academic sources cited in relevant sections
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Destruction of cultural heritage during the Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip

_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:09, 13 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that in 1967, two mathematicians published PhD dissertations independently disproving the same thirteen-year-old conjecture?

• Reviewed:
• Comment: If the reviewer doesn't have ProQuest access, I can provide a copy of Huneke's dissertation over email.

jlwoodwa (talk) 19:15, 16 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that Song Zhenzhong (pictured), the son of Song Qiyun and Xu Linxia, was detained by the Kuomintang before his first birthday and executed at age eight?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Filomena Fortes, Template:Did you know nominations/Anaïs Gallagher (1 and 2 of 3)

 — Chris Woodrich (talk) 19:49, 15 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

Image eligibility:

• Freely licensed:
• Used in article:
• Clear at 100px:

QPQ:
Overall: New enough, long enough, didn't spot any text copyright issues. The hook is interesting, albeit sad. Nominator needs to complete the third and final review requirement. File:Song Zhenzhong.jpeg has issues. It doesn't appear in the sourced video—it links to a video about martial arts—and I can't verify its copyright status. ✗plicit 12:29, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Hi Explicit. Template:Did you know nominations/Anaïs Gallagher was a triple nom, and thus two of the three reviews there are being used for this nomination.  — Chris Woodrich (talk) 12:34, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Bliss, the default wallpaper of Windows XP, was initially a stock photo? Source: Rooke, Hannah (August 7, 2023). "Have You Seen the "Most Viewed Photo Ever"?". Digital Camera World. Archived from the original on October 8, 2024. Retrieved October 7, 2024.
  • ALT1: ... that the lush rolling hill of Bliss, the default wallpaper of Windows XP, is now covered with vineyards? Source: Rooke, Hannah (August 7, 2023). "Have You Seen the "Most Viewed Photo Ever"?". Digital Camera World. Archived from the original on October 8, 2024. Retrieved October 7, 2024.
  • ALT2: ... that Bliss, the default wallpaper of Windows XP, was photographed in Sonoma County, California? Source: Rooke, Hannah (August 7, 2023). "Have You Seen the "Most Viewed Photo Ever"?". Digital Camera World. Archived from the original on October 8, 2024. Retrieved October 7, 2024.
  • ALT3: ... that Bliss, the default wallpaper of Windows XP, was photographed by a former National Geographic photographer? Source: Rooke, Hannah (August 7, 2023). "Have You Seen the "Most Viewed Photo Ever"?". Digital Camera World. Archived from the original on October 8, 2024. Retrieved October 7, 2024.
  • ALT4: ... that the rolling hill of Bliss, the default wallpaper of Windows XP, was captured after a phylloxera infestation? Source: Cain, Abigail (July 3, 2017). "The Story Behind the World's Most Famous Desktop Background". Artsy. Archived from the original on July 13, 2024. Retrieved October 7, 2024.
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/1909 Chinese provincial elections

Vacant0 (talk • contribs) 17:06, 15 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• Would you like to include the wallpaper itself as image hook? I think the nostalgic value it provides would make the hook even more interesting. Nineteen Ninety-Four guy (talk) 05:47, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bliss is still copyrighted right? DYK doesn't allow fair-use pictures to be used on the Main Page unfortunately. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:28, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it is copyrighted and owned by Microsoft. It would be cool to include the photograph but I'm unsure if DYK rules allow this. Vacant0 (talk • contribs) 20:16, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

From WP:DYKIMG: The media must be freely licensed—fair-use images are not permitted on the Main Page. So the answer is no. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:44, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• May I suggest the short-and-sweet "ALT5: ... that you can find bliss in California?" (or the passive voice but less funny "... that bliss can be found in California") as a potential April Fools fact? Leafy46 (talk) 03:41, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'd rather prefer other proposed blurbs. Vacant0 (talk • contribs) 21:10, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that the director of Yen and Ai-Lee created the film to collaborate with his actress wife?

• ALT1: ... that Yen and Ai-Lee is the first Taiwanese film to win a Kim Jiseok Award at the Busan International Film Festival? Source: ^[3]
• ALT2: ... that the dual roles played by Kimi Hsia in Yen and Ai-Lee were originally conceived as two distinct characters? Source: ^[4]
• ALT3: ... that the 2024 film Yen and Ai-Lee is shot in black-and-white? Source: ^[5][6]
• ALT4: ... that Yen and Ai-Lee was set in Meinong District, Kaohsiung, because the director felt its landscape was suitable for black-and-white cinematography? Source: ^[7]
• ALT5: ... that the opening scene of Yen and Ai-Lee was rewritten as a long take due to rain during filming? Source: ^[8]
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Pan He

Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 14:34, 15 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that Ratnākara may have invented the poetic device of vakrokti ("verbal distortion")?

• ALT1: ... that Ratnākara's Vakroktipañcāśikā contains fifty verses of dialogue between Śiva and Pārvatī, employing the poetic device of vakrokti ("verbal distortion")?
• ALT2: ... that a now-lost chronicle of the kings of Kashmir, covering two "gaps" in Kalhaṇa's Rājataraṅginī, is attributed to Ratnākara?
• Reviewed:

TryKid ^{[dubious – discuss]} 07:48, 15 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• A new hook with additional context might be needed here, as the typical reader might not understand the intended meaning of the hook. Essentially, it might not meet WP:DYKINT, specifically the part about specialist knowledge. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:29, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  @Narutolovehinata5:, I've expanded the hook to make it clearer, and added two alternative hooks. I have no significant preference for any of them over others; feel free to chose any or suggest improvements if this is still unsatisfactory. I could add a note in the article explaining vakrokti in detail if current wording feels too confusing. regards, TryKid ^{[dubious – discuss]} 10:17, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It might be better to just focus on ALT2 as ALT1 still seems to rely on specialist knowledge and not something that's self-evident from a reading. ALT2 is still slightly specialist but it's at least more understandable. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:02, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that at the 2018 Batman by-election, the Division of Batman was politically divided by the "hipster-proof fence" or "quinoa curtain"?

• ALT1: ... that the 2018 Batman by-election caused significant in-fighting within the Australian Greens that damaged their campaign at the 2018 Victorian state election? Source: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-03-29/greens-blame-internal-problems-negative-media-for-election-loss/10950124
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Bill Morrow (Australian politician)

GraziePrego (talk) 03:11, 15 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• Not a reivew, however an alternative hook:
  • ALT2: ... that during the 2018 Batman by-election campaign Teresa van Lieshout, a perennial candidate, taped their mouth shut and picketed a candidates' forum when they weren't invited? Source: https://www.northweststar.com.au/story/5269156/batman-by-election-candidates-speak-out/

TarnishedPath^talk 06:38, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that in exchange for thousands of acres, Frank A. Kimball brought a transcontinental rail terminus to National City, California?

• ALT1: ... that in 1880, Frank A. Kimball helped organize the first San Diego County Fair? Source: "Remembering the history of San Diego's county fair"
• ALT2: ... that Frank A. Kimball's efforts led to the construction of the Sweetwater Dam? Source: "Sweetwater Dam: Foresight of Frank Kimball prominent in centennial"
• ALT3: ... that the olive oil mill constructed by Frank A. Kimball was the second one constructed in the United States? Source: Phillips, Irene (1960). Mission Olive Industry and other South Bay Stories. National City, California: South Bay Press.
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Tea production in Indonesia
• Comment: Article created through work in a draft space over multiple edit-a-thons organized by the San Diego Central Library in cooperation with San Diego Wikimedians User Group. Content was moved from user draftspace to mainspace on October 16, 2024; the article has 7228 characters, significant number of citations through out its prose, neutrally written, and is free of copyright violations. All hooks are under 200 characters. Image is in the public domain.

RightCowLeftCoast (Moo) 03:42, 17 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• Hi @RightCowLeftCoast:! This article is new enough, long enough, no copyvio, certainly well-sourced. I think the first hook is the most interesting. QPQ done.

This is nice work, but I have some problems to address: I don't understand the phrase "build a transcontinental railroad Pacific terminus" on the page, could you clear it up? Do we know why Kimball wrote a family history of Estudillo? Was he a relation? Otherwise that sentence is a bit out of left field. The information in the lede about him donating land for cemeteries, schools, and churches is not in the body, could you incorporate it (and maybe elaborate on it)? The current DYK image is not sufficiently clear at this resolution (but this image, which is already used on the page, probably would be). Best, Tenpop421 (talk) 19:02, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also, the first hook probably has the wrong citation. I can't see anything about thousands of acres. Maybe a citation to this would be more appropriate? Tenpop421 (talk) 19:06, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that the adoption of a Muscogee orphan Lyncoya by Andrew Jackson was framed by Jackson's political allies as a defense against charges that Jackson was a bloodthirsty Indian killer?
  • Reviewed: Hyborian War

KAVEBEAR (talk) 03:00, 17 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• TYSM for the nice nomination KAVEBEAR! I am here at everybody's convenience for comments questions revisions etc. Cheers, jengod (talk) 03:23, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Source for this hook: "For Jackson and his supporters, however, Lyncoya remained Jackson's "benevolent object." By telling the story of Lyncoya's adoption, they tried to craft Jackson into more than a military general who had slaughtered Indigenous peoples." From doi:10.18130/V3Q364 Rachel Jackson and the Search for Zion, 1760s-1830s, Gismondi, Melissa, University of Virginia, p. 152 jengod (talk) 00:16, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Public domain image that's not too trauma-porn, just FYI --> File:Images from Pictorial Life of Andrew Jackson 1847 by John Frost illustrated by William Croome 04.jpg jengod (talk) 04:04, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Susanne Craig was born in the same hospital as Ted Cruz a year apart?
  • Reviewed:

Lisha2037 (talk) 00:23, 17 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook eligibility:

• Cited: - Hook doesn't appear to be supported by article. Cannot find mention of Cruz in edit history.
• Interesting: - Is there more context that can be given that signals why this is interesting, beyond coincidence? It looks like there might be at this article, but it's paywalled.

QPQ: None required.

Overall: Updated - see ALT1 and ALT2 below. Great work getting this article to GA status! It looks like this hook isn't in the article - please take a look at WP:DYKHOOK. Even if it were, I'm not sure it's the most interesting hook there could be for this article unless there's missing detail from the source. Please take a look and see if this one can be improved, or if there's another you'd suggest. Jonathan Deamer (talk) 09:08, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jonathan Deamer it’s my first time nominating for DYK so I’m still getting used to what that entails regarding style and interest. If you would be done to suggest something? I think since elections are coming up maybe something related to that and the Trump a tax story? Lisha2037— Preceding undated comment added 15:28, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How about something on the fact they she received the first batch of tax return documents anonymously in her mailbox? The NPR source has some additional colour on this.

The early career section could be expanded with some of the details on her time at the Guantlet from this piece. Pullitzer prize winner only started journalism to get free dinner theatre tickets could be a fun hook if you can find the right wording :) Jonathan Deamer (talk) 12:42, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Jonathan Deamer I think the tax idea is better for the current events. Did you know the journalist who won the Pulitzer for breaking the story on Trump’s taxes received them anonymously in her mailbox? Lisha2037— Preceding undated comment added 23:12, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Lisha2037 Thanks! I've taken the liberty of building on this with a couple of alternatives:

• ALT1: ... that Susanne Craig won a Pulitzer Prize for her reporting on Donald Trump's taxes after receiving his tax records anonymously in her mailbox? NBC, 2016: ""I opened it up and there was three pages of Donald Trump's tax returns there and I just went 'No way!'" she said in an interview with NBC News on Monday. Craig said she was instantly intrigued but skeptical about the authenticity of the documents she’d received anonymously." Pulitzer.org: "The 2019 Pulitzer Prize Winner in Explanatory Reporting [...] David Barstow, Susanne Craig and Russ Buettner of The New York Times. For an exhaustive 18-month investigation of President Donald Trump’s finances that debunked his claims of self-made wealth and revealed a business empire riddled with tax dodges."
• ALT2 (in case direct mentions of politicians is not desirable in DYK for the next few weeks): ... that Pulitzer Prize winner Susanne Craig advises her fellow reporters to check their snail mail? New York Times: "The whole experience has left me eager to share a bit of advice with my fellow reporters: Check your mailboxes. Especially nowadays, when people are worried that anything sent by email will leave forensic fingerprints, “snail mail” is a great way to communicate with us anonymously." Pulitzer.org: "The 2019 Pulitzer Prize Winner in Explanatory Reporting [...] David Barstow, Susanne Craig and Russ Buettner of The New York Times. For an exhaustive 18-month investigation of President Donald Trump’s finances that debunked his claims of self-made wealth and revealed a business empire riddled with tax dodges."

I think either ALT1 or ALT2 is good to go, but to avoid approving "my own" hook, and given this is potentially a contentious subject right now, could another reviewer please take a look just at these two hooks? Thanks in advance! Jonathan Deamer (talk) 20:02, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Jonathan Deamer / I like the first hook better. Let me know what I need to do next! :)— Preceding unsigned comment added by Lisha2037 (talk • contribs) 22:35, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Lisha2037 No further action needed from you! When another editor checks these hooks we're good to go. Jonathan Deamer (talk) 16:36, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Lisha2037 and Jonathan Deamer: ALT1 is more interesting than ALT2, though could do with being truncated at 'taxes' per WP:DYKTRIM. Article says Craig won the prize, the article says she shared it with two others. Did they each get one?--Launchballer 18:58, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Launchballer The Pulitzer Prize is given digitally to all of them with all of them receiving the prize and the $15,000 award. :::::@Lisha2037:

Fine by me. For your information, pings don't work unless you sign, and you sign with ~~~~. The cited source is down and I'd prefer to see a secondary source anyway; when you've done that, I will approve this.--Launchballer 11:00, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Liliget Feast House featured a longhouse-style interior designed by architect Arthur Erickson?

• ALT1: ... that Liliget Feast House grilled food over alder wood fire to emulate food preparation in the Gitxsan villages where the restaurant's owner grew up in? Source: “We grill most everything over fire,” Watts says proudly. “We use alder wood so that everything we cook tastes so much like the food we used to eat in our villages.” "Dolly Watts Business and Commerce (2001)". Indspire. 20 November 2014. Retrieved 16 October 2024.
• ALT2: ... that ambience in the Liliget Feast House included chants, "laughing water", and pan flute music? Source: "It's in the style of the coastal Northwestern tribes, and they play "laughing water" and chants for ambience." Greenberg, Peter (23 July 2002). Travel Detective Flight Crew Confidential: People Who Fly for a Living Reveal Insider Secrets and Hidden Values in Cities and Airports Around the World. Random House Publishing Group. ISBN 978-1-58836-127-1. Retrieved 16 October 2024.
  "a place where the walls are adorned by a striking selection of native art and where pan flute music fills the air." Colombara, Michael (1999). "Restaurant Reviews 1999". Pacific Rim Magazine. Langara College. Retrieved 16 October 2024.
• ALT3: ... that "unusual choices" at Liliget Feast House included wind-dried salmon and pan-fried oolichans? Source: "Wind-dried salmon and pan-fried oolichans (candlefish, a member of the smelt family) are some of the unusual choices at Liliget Feast House, 1724 Davie Street, (604) 681-7044, which specializes in Northwest Coast Indian food." Carmichael, Suzanne (28 April 1996). "WHAT'S DOING IN;Vancouver". The New York Times. Retrieved 16 October 2024.
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Teniky
• Comment: I know MOS:DYKPIPE exists, but unless I direct the link to the much more broad "longhouse" article, I can't go link the Longhouses of the Indigenous peoples of North America article, which is much more lengthy. If there is a solution that can be used to resolve this, then I am all ears. As it stands though, there is no clean solution to make it more specific without featuring a pipe. ALT1 is a bit wordy, so if there is a more brisk wording, I am welcome to an alternative hook. ALT2's source refers to "laughing water" in quotations but has no explanation, I assume it refers to water sounds, but there is no further elaboration. Regardless, I thank the reviewer for their time and hope they have a wonderful experience learning about this piece of Vancouver's history. I hope I can work on the third part of this article series shortly.

Ornithoptera (talk) 22:16, 16 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that the inn serving Port Mercer, New Jersey, was rumored to employ prostitutes imported from Trenton?

• ALT1: ... that locals in the New Jersey community of Port Mercer set up targets along the Delaware and Raritan Canal to coax bargemen into throwing them coal? Source: https://www.westwindsorhistory.com/portmercer.html
• Reviewed:

Lbal (talk) 22:00, 17 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that Anne Marie Armstrong won 10 state titles in high school?

• ALT1: ... that basketball player Anne Marie Armstrong won 10 state titles in high school?

• ALT2: ... that in high school, professional basketball player Anne Marie Armstrong won three state titles in volleyball, three state titles in basketball, and four state titles in track and field?

• Reviewed:

~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 15:59, 17 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook eligibility:

• Cited:
• Interesting: - n

QPQ: None required.

Overall: Nice work on the article about Armstrong, WikiOriginal-9! It is sufficiently long enough and was created on the same day as this nomination was, so that is not an issue. Same goes for copyright violations as well. The one concern I have is that I don't find the hook interesting – if I were to read this on the Main Page at the moment, I'd think to myself, "who is Armstrong and in which area or sport did she win 10 state titles in?". Thus, I think it needs a little more work in terms of context and clarity as noted above. The source for it is fine, though. Thanks! ~ Tails Wx 20:42, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@WikiOriginal-9: Please address the above.--Launchballer 12:30, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Added ALT2. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 17:32, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Sean Combs promised not to spill champagne on the Declaration of Independence?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Middlesex Regiment alien labour units

No Swan So Fine (talk) 21:17, 23 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that large aircraft such as the Aviation Traders Carvair once operated on a regular basis from Griffin–Spalding County Airport despite it only having a 3,100-foot-long (940 m) runway?

• Reviewed: Lockheed Martin FB-22

❯❯❯ Mccunicano☕️ 18:29, 23 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that despite studying fruit flies for her Westinghouse Science Talent Search-winning experiment and doctoral dissertation, Rada Dyson-Hudson later moved to anthropology in East Africa? Source: V. Rada Dyson-Hudson ... became the second Long Islander to win, for a study of fruit flies + Various species of her dissertation is on Drosophila + the American Anthropologist source
  • ALT1: ... that despite originally studying fruit fly genetics as a student, Rada Dyson-Hudson later moved to anthropology in East Africa? Source: American Anthropologist source
  • ALT2: ... that anthropologist Rada Dyson-Hudson was denied academic tenure at Johns Hopkins University and Cornell University despite her academic record and capabilities? Source: American Anthropologist source
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Kylian Portal (Kylian Portal)
  • Comment: For some reason, WL access to Wiley's American Anthropologist went off after I finished using the ref for this article, so I'll have to AGF for now.

ミラP@Miraclepine 21:28, 22 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that Kenneth Creer supported the Expanding Earth theory, and suggested that the Earth's expansion rate was related to cosmology and analogous to the Hubble constant?

• Reviewed:
• Comment: Interesting fact snippet on a page I just made.

Spiralwidget (talk) 12:09, 20 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that Luo Shiwen (pictured) led a secret cell of the Chinese Communist Party while detained at a Kuomintang concentration camp?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Anaïs Gallagher ]] (3 of 3)

 — Chris Woodrich (talk) 16:06, 18 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy compliance:

• Adequate sourcing: - Much of the article is cited to sources like "Devoting One's Efforts to the Party and the People is the Least of One's Worries——Deeds of Martyr Luo Shiwen", which doesn't speak well to their reliability. There is no consensus that Chinese government published sources are reliable for heroic deeds of party members (see, eg, WP:XINHUA).
• Neutral: - Unclear, see above
• Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: - ? Unable to evaluate translation copyvio from Chinese language sources

Hook eligibility:

• Cited:
• Interesting: - Hook could use improvement. Such underground groups developed in so many locations that political prisoners are jailed together

Image eligibility:

• Freely licensed:
• Used in article:
• Clear at 100px: - Bad quality pic, main page viewers would be better served by not running it

QPQ: Done.

Overall: (t · c) buidhe 04:59, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Hi Buidhe. Thank you for taking a look at this article, though I note that you are supposed to notify the article's creator if you find issues.

Referring to WP:XINHUA, which you mentioned in your review, the quorum mentioned there reads "Caution should be exercised in using this source, extremely so in case of extraordinary claims on controversial subjects or biographies of living people. When in doubt, try to find better sources instead; use inline attribution if you must use Xinhua." Little mentioned in the Luo Xinhua article crosses the bar of "extraordinary claims", and what does cross that bar is specifically attributed to the source (with an indication that it is state-owned). He lived, he did something, he was detained, he was executed. Where these government sources have been used, I have been careful not to use their description of persons whom the CCP has no reason to like (for example, the conflict with Zhang Guotao is cited to Howard rather than the decidedly less neutral CCP sources, and discussion of Xifeng is cited predominantly to a Harvard University Press book). Likewise, I have deliberately excluded politically charged claims such as Luo's father being bankrupted by the high ROC taxes.

As per WP:PARTISAN, "reliable sources are not required to be neutral, unbiased, or objective." WP:CONTEXTMATTERS clarifies that "Each source must be carefully weighed to judge whether it is reliable for the statement being made in the Wikipedia article and is an appropriate source for that content." In this case, the sources are used specifically for basic statements of biography. Where statements were extraordinary, such as Mao and Zhou specifically asking for Luo's release, it has been attributed to the source with an indication of the source's potential bias.

As for the hook, I am deliberately avoiding claims that are sourced exclusively to state-media. How do you feel about:

ALT1 ... that Luo Shiwen (pictured) led a secret cell of the Chinese Communist Party that negotiated better conditions for inmates at their concentration camp?

That ALT is supported entirely by Mühlhahn. Regards,  — Chris Woodrich (talk) 12:28, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Xinhua is, according to consensus, generally reliable for factual reporting except in areas where the government of China may have a reason to use it for propaganda, but this topic is exactly one where the Chinese government would have an interest in distorting its own history in order to make the CCP look better. Perhaps other reviewers would have a different opinion, but I don't think that Chinese government published sources should be cited so heavily. (In case you are looking for additional sources, this one is accessible via TWL and seems to mention the article subject). (t · c) buidhe 00:48, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• I think I have Wakeman sitting around somewhere. I'll cite that for a few points, and I can cite some more to the pithy provided by Howard. That being said, a blanket prohibition against mainland Chinese sources (we've been talking about Xinhua, but Sichuan Annals are cited more prevalently, and both the original books and the web edition have the same government ties) for a figure of little interest to KMT historians does seem counter-productive. It may be best to have a third opinion. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 01:39, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• @Buidhe: Have your concerns been resolved and is this approved? If not, what else needs to be done? Z1720 (talk) 23:29, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• I think we were looking at having a third party take a look, but I wasn't sure how to proceed.  — Chris Woodrich (talk) 14:17, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that an article about Lizzie Esau was nominated for an award? Source: https://www.spajournalism.com/spanc23-national-awards-shortlists-announced/
  • ALT1: ... that after trying to replicate the live sound of "Wait Too Late" in a studio and failing twice, Lizzie Esau recorded the song in a castle? Source: https://readdork.com/features/lizzie-esau-hype-cover-feature-april24/
  • ALT2: ... that Lizzie Esau covered a 1955 song for a 2024 series about a 1553 Queen? Source: for 1955, see https://www.standard.co.uk/hp/front/bo-diddley-the-guitarist-who-inspired-the-rolling-stones-dies-6837140.html; for everything else, see https://www.nme.com/news/tv/heres-every-song-in-my-lady-jane-on-amazon-prime-video-3769025
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Liberalism in the Philippines

Launchballer 09:03, 18 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that in the 1950s, Michel Klein (pictured) opened one of the first veterinary practices in Paris?

• • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/240 Centre Street

Thriley (talk) 22:29, 25 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• The article lacks some basic biographical facts: he was born in Sighet (not in generic northwestern Romania), and he was Jewish, the specific reason most of his family perished at Auschwitz. In Toulouse, he did not attend an unspecified veterinary school, but the École nationale vétérinaire de Toulouse. He was not simply in the vast “French Resistance”, but, as the first source I supplied indicates, in a network run by the Special Operations Executive. And so on. (@Dahn:, this may be of interest.) — Biruitorul ^Talk 06:40, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Izvestiya Soveta rabochikh i soldatskikh deputatov goroda Askhabada was the first Bolshevik newspaper published in the Transcaspian Oblast?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Od Warszawy do Ojcowa

Soman (talk) 17:35, 19 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that a Syrian filmmaker repurposed footage from his first film in his last film in order to criticize his younger self?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Panhandle Gap

꧁Zanahary꧂ 07:38, 19 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• I'm not sure how this hook squares up against the rules to avoid hooks solely based on the content of works, but regardless of that, I am not sure how it's interesting or relevant that, basically, the filmmaker changed his mind about something... (t · c) buidhe 23:35, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• That rule is: If the subject of the hook is a work of fiction or a fictional character, the hook must be focused on a real-world fact. This is a real-world fact about a nonfiction work. As for the fact, I think it's definitely unusual and remarkable for a filmmaker to make a film criticizing his own work. ꧁Zanahary꧂ 08:12, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

•  Doing... ミラP@Miraclepine 18:33, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy compliance:

• Adequate sourcing:
• Neutral:
• Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: - Earwig says that phrases like "advent of the dam" and "through the lens of salvage ethnography" and "with an eighteenth-century BCE limestone statue of the goddess Ishtar excavated from the" are identical to what's in the abstract of ref 2, so they could be changed to avoid close paraphrasing unless it can't be avoided. "Naive early enthusiasm" is similar to "earlier naive enthusiasm" in ref 4, so "Naive early" or just "early" could be changed to "initial" if possible. Otherwise the whole thing's good.

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: - Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Nominated on creation day and sized at 2360 B. Can't access refs 2 and 3 to verify anything so will AGF. @Zanahary: I have to agree with you this hook is interesting based on your explanation, but fix the paraphrasing issue and you're good to go. Film Essay on the Euphrates Dam, which is linked in the hook, is a stub sized at 233 B, so if you want to expand it and make it a second bold, feel free to do so and ping me if you're done; I can even hold the nom for you for the time being. ミラP@Miraclepine 19:01, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the review Miraclepine! I’ll fix the paraphrasing. I can also try to expand A Flood in Ba’ath Country. ꧁Zanahary꧂ 20:00, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Zanahary: I've found the fix satisfactory. I'll approve Film Essay on the Euphrates Dam, but ping me once A Flood in Baath Country is sufficiently expanded. ミラP@Miraclepine 20:33, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Mwene Muji was a polity in the Congo Basin which declined in the late 19th century, and when the Belgians collected traditions in 1926, grand claims of its once imperial status were dismissed?
• ALT1 ... that Mwene Muji was a polity in the Congo Basin, and when the Belgians collected traditions in 1926, grand claims of its once imperial status were dismissed?
• ALT2 ... that the grand claims from the ruler of Mwene Muji of them once having imperial status were dismissed by Belgian colonial authorities?

• Reviewed:

Kowal2701 (talk) 19:48, 20 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• Hello and welcome to DYK. Right now the hook does not meet the guidelines for a DYK hook as it's too long (we have a limit of 200 characters for most hooks, and ideally it should be less). In addition, it needs to largely focus on a hooky fact, whereas the current hook is essentially summarizing the article. Please prose a new hook so that the nomination can continue. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:18, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Kowal2701: I've also checked the article and right now it's less than 1500 characters long. DYK requires a minimum of 1500 characters of prose to be accepted. If you can expand the article further so that it meets the guidelines then less us know, but if that is not feasible then unfortunately the nomination will have to be rejected. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:20, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@User:Narutolovehinata5 the hook is 197 words long, and it gives context the fact which is that their grand claims were dismissed. I wouldn't say it summarises the article, just the last few sentences. I can expand it further, I think at the moment it's at 1200 words. Are you sure the hook isn't okay?

Yes, the hook is far too long for DYK, even if it is slightly under the character limit. Perhaps another editor like Launchballer can give some advice on what makes a good hook, especially one that isn't too long. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:50, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@User:Narutolovehinata5 but surely if it's under the character limit then the length is okay?

I’ve added alts, I think I know what you were getting at, that the initial hook had too much information in it and wouldn’t entice the reader to click on the article. I think ALT2 is okay? Kowal2701 (talk) 13:18, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, ALT2 would work. Since the original issues about length and hooks are now addressed this is ready for a full review. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:42, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that cavalry officer Harvey Tuckett retired from the British Army to become an actor, but was shot in a duel by his former commanding officer?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Vivian Stranders

AntientNestor (talk) 14:19, 20 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy compliance:

• Adequate sourcing:
• Neutral:
• Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:
• Other problems:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: The source used is quite difficult to read but appears to put together the events of Tuckett's life at this point as described. Just need to address the access dates issue (corrected): There are access dates in the article that predate the publishing of the article on Oct 20, was this copied from a sandbox, draft or external document? Reconrabbit 21:35, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Copy and paste from my sandbox here. Now fixed, but I only found one—did I miss some? Thanks.--AntientNestor (talk) 22:01, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Looks good, that was it. Reconrabbit 22:15, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that an organ of evacuated Polish railway workers called for unity with All-Russian trade unions around the time of the 1917 October Revolution?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Laws of London

Soman (talk) 12:08, 20 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that The Public by Lorca was first performed almost 50 years after it was written, and was directed by Victoria Espinosa (pictured)? Source: "One of her career highlights was directing the 1978 world premiere of the play “El público” (“The Audience”) by Federico García Lorca, a work that could not be released when it was written around 1930 because it frankly addressed homosexual issues." https://globalvoices.org/2019/07/12/victoria-espinosa-farewell-to-a-tireless-activist-for-puerto-rican-theater/
  • ALT1: ... that Victoria Espinosa (pictured) acted in Rockaby by Samuel Beckett when she was over 90 years old? Source: https://www.oxfordreference.com/display/10.1093/acref/9780199935796.001.0001/acref-9780199935796-e-744?rskey=uEz4vw&result=742
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/The Nualas

Lajmmoore (talk) 11:35, 20 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy compliance:

• Adequate sourcing:
• Neutral:
• Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:
• Other problems: - There's an issue with the confusing prose in the lead: "Compared to are Myrna Casas and Gilda Navarra"

Hook eligibility:

• Cited:
• Interesting:
• Other problems: - I think ALT0 could be rewritten, as currently the focus isn't on the subject. Something like "... that Victoria Espinosa (pictured) directed the first performance of The Public, almost 50 years after it was written?" would be better.

Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
Freely licensed: Used in article: Clear at 100px:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Happy to pass this after the prose issues in the lead are fixed and ALT0 is rewritten to focus on the subject. Ping me when these are addressed. Grnrchst (talk) 11:18, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Thanks very much Grnrchst, I've fixed the lead, and another ALT is below:

ALT3 ... that Victoria Espinosa (pictured) directed the first performance of The Public by Lorca, almost 50 years after it was written? Source: "One of her career highlights was directing the 1978 world premiere of the play “El público” (“The Audience”) by Federico García Lorca, a work that could not be released when it was written around 1930 because it frankly addressed homosexual issues." https://globalvoices.org/2019/07/12/victoria-espinosa-farewell-to-a-tireless-activist-for-puerto-rican-theater/

Many thanks Lajmmoore (talk) 10:44, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that, after living in Norway for almost twenty years, Lova Rajaona returned to her hometown of Antanifotsy in Madagascar to run for mayor?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Shadia Abu Ghazaleh

Yue🌙 19:08, 21 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that in his first year in the NFL, Lou Rash was told he was released and began flying back home, but was told upon landing that the release was a mistake and he was to return?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Alan Rosen (restaurant owner)
• Comment: QPQ to be done within 24 hours. Open to other ways of wording the hook.

BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:49, 29 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that in 1809 the two senior British Cabinet ministers Viscount Castlereagh and George Canning fought a pistol duel?
  • ALT1: ... that the Castlereagh–Canning duel was a pistol duel between the British Minister of War Viscount Castlereagh and British Foreign Secretary George Canning, which took place in September 1809?
  • Reviewed:

Michael G. Lind (talk) 22:14, 28 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that Al LeBoeuf was diagnosed with a rare condition in 2012 from an injury he suffered in 1985?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Rincón Chileno
• Comment: Decided to pipe the name of the condition because nobody has ever heard of it (unless you have it or research it). Is there a better word to use than "suffered"?

– Muboshgu (talk) 16:59, 28 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that an Indian social media influencer's viral video on the sugar content of a children's "health drink" compelled its parent company to slash sugar by almost 15%?

• Reviewed:
• Comment: I think this is quite an interesting feat on the part of the influencer that a viral video was able to get Cadbury to reduce added sugar in Bournvita (marketed as children's health drink in India) by almost 15%, even as they sent legal notices and filed lawsuits against him. Also, I am new to DYK, and not sure if the hook could be made better than this. Thanks!

—CX Zoom[he/him] ^{(let's talk • {C•X})} 20:22, 26 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• Not a review. Just noting that you could use this new infobox image for an image hook. Bremps... 07:15, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Kenny Moore once went skiing with Bruce Babbitt and Bern Shanks?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Abortion in Equatorial Guinea

Chetsford (talk) 22:53, 22 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that in his first electoral victory, Aaron Kennedy defeated the premier of New Brunswick?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Helliwells Ltd

B3251_(talk) 21:26, 22 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• @B3251: Per a recent rule change, QPQs must now be provided at the time of the nomination; a nomination without a QPQ provided is liable to be closed without warning. Please provide a QPQ as soon as possible, otherwise the nomination may be closed. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:33, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Narutolovehinata5: Done. B3251_(talk) 03:12, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that due to the effects of Hurricane Helene, the National Gingerbread House Competition (pictured) has been canceled for the first time in history?

• Reviewed:

Hkeely (talk) 15:55, 22 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• Hi Hkeely, welcome to DYK. Interesting article but it is currently below the 1,500 character minimum requirement (see WP:DYKLEN), can it be extended with more content? - Dumelow (talk) 20:20, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Hi Dumelow, thank you. I have expanded the article with additional content so that it now surpasses the 1,500 character minimum requirement - Hkeely (talk) 04:17, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Hkeely. The length is now fine, article was created on time (22 October), sources used look to be reliable for the content and I found no issues with overly close paraphrasing, image is good (I trimmed the caption quite a bit). A couple of questions on sourcing:

• I couldn't see in the Fox Carolina source where it said this was the only time the event had been cancelled?
• Can you add a citation in the article for the last sentence of the first paragraph about the TV channels it has been broadcast on?

Apart from that I think this is good to go - Dumelow (talk) 07:32, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Dumelow. Thank you for checking this and trimming the caption. I've added a citation for the TV channel coverage. The cancelation information is because the contest started in 1992 and this would have been the 32nd annual event. Since there were 31 events prior, that adds up mathematically. I did include new information about the public display portion being canceled during the Covid pandemic in 2020, though judging did continue that year. - Hkeely (talk) 17:47, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Hkeely, if the first event was held in 1992 and it was held every year then 2024 would have been the 33rd event. There are 32 years between the first and last event but 33 events (see fencepost error) - Dumelow (talk) 08:28, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Robot Alley (pictured), an art installation in Portland, Oregon, grew from a three-foot (0.91 m) plastic Stormtrooper, initially placed by the artist to deter crime?

• Reviewed:
• Comment: Awaiting VRT clarification on the photo, shouldn't post until that's complete.

–DMartin 15:16, 22 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that 24-year-old Henry Parnell, 5th Baron Congleton was the youngest British parliamentarian killed in the First World War?

• ALT1: ... that Henry Parnell was the youngest member of the UK parliament killed in the First World War? Source: https://www.parliament.uk/about/living-heritage/building/cultural-collections/memorials/in-the-collection/world-war-i/wwi-angel-memorial/
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Growing Form
• Comment: could potentially run on Remembrance Day (11 November)

Moondragon21 (talk) 12:15, 22 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that in 1984, Bob Hobman and a group began a journey to sail a wooden outrigger boat from the Philippines to Madagascar to recreate a possible voyage by Neolithic humans?

• • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/KEXC

Thriley (talk) 18:46, 1 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that a brass band from the New Jersey community of Jugtown was rumored to have drank and fought the police instead of playing at Ulysses S. Grant's funeral?

• ALT1: ... that an underground tunnel between two houses in what is now Jugtown Historic District was used to hide fugitive slaves? Source: Zink, Clifford (2024). Jugtown/Queenston: Jugtown Historic District. Princeton, New Jersey: Princeton Landmark Publications, pp. 6-7
• ALT2: ... that a pottery's presence in a New Jersey village gave it the name Jugtown? Source: Zink, Clifford (2024). Jugtown/Queenston: Jugtown Historic District. Princeton, New Jersey: Princeton Landmark Publications, p. 4
• Reviewed: Template:Did_you_know_nominations/The_Bear_season_2

Not sure where or how to add the QPQ? I've reviewed another article but not sure if I did it correctly. Lbal (talk) 22:40, 24 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that while supporting a law easing restrictions on abortion in Gabon, Prime Minister Rose Christiane Raponda said "it is not yet the right time" for further legalization?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Talk Talk (Charli XCX song)

— Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧 (talk | contribs) 22:45, 23 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that Tiny Glade was the fourth most played demo on 2024's Steam Next Fest?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Music Sounds Better with You
• Comment: I was the one who moved this to mainspace today. However, Ddellas created this and TheGIPGIP expanded this a little before I did most of the work.

JuniperChill (talk) 20:46, 23 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that Iranian President Masoud Pezeshkian was the first Iranian president to visit Iraqi Kurdistan?

• ALT1: ... that Iranian President Masoud Pezeshkian was the first Iranian president to attend the 16th BRICS summit following its admission? Source: https://en.irna.ir/news/85637049/BRICS-summit-opens-in-Russia-s-Kazan-with-Iran-s-president-in
• Reviewed:
• Comment: First article. I think i've done it right. Just not sure which is the most catch title.
  there is an image of him on his main page, maybe someone can add it it this?

Sportsnut24 (talk) 13:45, 23 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that Shuah Khan became the first female Linux Foundation Fellow in 2019, joining Linus Torvalds and Greg Kroah-Hartman?

• ALT1: ... that Shuah Khan was the first woman fellow of the Linux Foundation and "signed off" on a patch recommending inclusive terminology in the Linux kernel?
• Sources: https://www.zdnet.com/article/shuah-khan-becomes-the-third-linux-foundation-fellow/ + https://lkml.org/lkml/2020/7/7/9
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Ontology

paul2520 💬 13:41, 28 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• Not a review. Just noting that you could use the new image for a hook image if you like. Bremps... 07:02, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Jing Tsu's schoolteachers called her "female tiger" because their punishment had no effect on her?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Shirt (song)
• Comment: Open to rewording

Kimikel (talk) 04:10, 25 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that Ekin Cheng delivered his lines in his native Cantonese in the Mandarin-language film A Nail Clipper Romance?

• ALT1: ... that A Nail Clipper Romance is an extension of a 2010 short film of the same name which starred Zhou Xun? Source: ^[2]
• ALT2: ... that Zhou Dongyu learned to surf while filming A Nail Clipper Romance in Hawaii? Source: ^[3]
• ALT3: ... that Tiffany Ann Hsu made a cameo appearance in A Nail Clipper Romance at the invitation of lead actress Zhou Dongyu? Source: ^[4]
• ALT4: ... that A Nail Clipper Romance marks the directorial debut of cinematographer Jason Kwan? Source: ^[5]
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/You Are Here (song)

Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 06:17, 24 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that "Every Night", released ten years ago today, was called "the smartest dumb music out there"?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Marcia Moore (actress)
• Comment: For November 24, 2024, if possible.

Skyshiftertalk 19:34, 27 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that basketball coach Trisha Stafford-Odom left the Eagles to join the Eagles?

• ALT1: ... that women's basketball player Trisha Stafford-Odom was once compared to Charles Barkley for her play as a "scorer, rebounder and part-time enforcer"?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/John Moore (basketball)

~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 02:26, 26 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that the murder of Wang Lianying was followed by a blitz of newspaper coverage, books, stage performances, a film, and songs (example pictured)?

• • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Shin Iza Gawna
  • Comment: The media blitz is the most interesting part to me, though the fact that it got coverage in New York is pretty surprising (I also like the illustration)

 — Chris Woodrich (talk) 17:22, 25 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that in 2018, the I-59 and I-65 interchange in Birmingham, Alabama (Malfunction Junction) carried 160,000 vehicles instead of 80,000 as it was intended to hold?

• Reviewed:

NoobThreePointOh (talk) 13:59, 25 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that Voltairine de Cleyre (pictured) taught herself how to read at the age of four?

• ALT1: ... that Voltairine de Cleyre (pictured) became an anti-authoritarian and anti-theist after her education at a Catholic convent? Source: Avrich, Paul (1978). An American Anarchist: The Life of Voltairine de Cleyre. Princeton: Princeton University Press. pp. 36–37. ISBN 978-0-691-04657-0.
• ALT2: ... that Voltairine de Cleyre (pictured) loved Scotland so much that she said if she could have made a living there, she never would have returned to the United States? Source: Avrich, Paul (1978). An American Anarchist: The Life of Voltairine de Cleyre. Princeton: Princeton University Press. pp. 117–118. ISBN 978-0-691-04657-0.
• ALT3: ... that although Voltairine de Cleyre (pictured) opposed American imperialism, she did not oppose the Spanish–American War, as she believed that the Spanish Empire needed to be broken up? Source: Avrich, Paul (1978). An American Anarchist: The Life of Voltairine de Cleyre. Princeton: Princeton University Press. pp. 122–123. ISBN 978-0-691-04657-0.
• ALT4: ... that after Senator Joseph R. Hawley offered $1,000 to shoot an anarchist, Voltairine de Cleyre (pictured) publicly accepted the challenge? Source: Avrich, Paul (1978). An American Anarchist: The Life of Voltairine de Cleyre. Princeton: Princeton University Press. p. 136. ISBN 978-0-691-04657-0.
• ALT5: ... that after Voltairine de Cleyre (pictured) was shot, the Hahnemann University Hospital did not remove any of the bullets due to its practice of homeopathy? Source: Avrich, Paul (1978). An American Anarchist: The Life of Voltairine de Cleyre. Princeton: Princeton University Press. p. 171. ISBN 978-0-691-04657-0.
• ALT6: ... that Voltairine de Cleyre (pictured) refused to press charges against Herman Helcher, who had attempted to murder her? Source: Avrich, Paul (1978). An American Anarchist: The Life of Voltairine de Cleyre. Princeton: Princeton University Press. p. 174. ISBN 978-0-691-04657-0.
• ALT7: ... that the Norwegian press speculated that Voltairine de Cleyre (pictured) intended to assassinate German Kaiser Wilhelm II, as their trips to Norway coincided? Source: Avrich, Paul (1978). An American Anarchist: The Life of Voltairine de Cleyre. Princeton: Princeton University Press. p. 181. ISBN 978-0-691-04657-0.
• ALT8: ... that despite losing her ability to move or speak due to illness, Voltairine de Cleyre (pictured) refused to accept last rites by scowling at the priest? Source: Avrich, Paul (1978). An American Anarchist: The Life of Voltairine de Cleyre. Princeton: Princeton University Press. pp. 235–236. ISBN 978-0-691-04657-0.
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Victoria Espinosa
• Comment: Apologies for the number of hooks. I just found so many things about de Cleyre's biography interesting that I wanted to provide a good range of options.

Grnrchst (talk) 11:42, 25 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that North Korea released stamps featuring Kim Jong Un and his daughter at a missile launch in 2023?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Xu Xinfu
• Comment: I chose not to include the name "Kim Ju-ae" in this hook because her name has not been confirmed by either of the two Korean governments, as of the time of this nomination.

Yue🌙 04:17, 27 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• Comment I think having the hook be something like "... that the name of the daughter of North Korean Supreme Leader Kim Jong Un has not yet been confirmed by either Korea?" may be fun. Probably needs to be reworded to be less wordy though. seefooddiet (talk) 09:59, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • ALT1: ... that North Korean media has never referred to Kim Jong Un's daughter by name, only as his "respected", "precious" or "beloved" daughter?

Sources:

• Kim, Hyung-Jin; Song, Jiwon (4 January 2024). "South Korea views the young daughter of North Korean leader Kim Jong Un as his likely successor". AP News. Retrieved 26 October 2024.
• Palmer, Elizabeth (16 February 2023). "Why is North Korean leader Kim Jong Un's daughter suddenly front and center?". CBS News. Archived from the original on 16 February 2023. Retrieved 18 October 2024.

ALT2: ... that the name of Kim Jong Un's daughter has not been confirmed by either of the two Koreas?

Source: Kang, Hyun-kyung (16 November 2023). "North Korean leader's daughter known by wrong name: expert". The Korea Times. Retrieved 18 October 2024.

ALT3: ... that the name of Kim Jong Un's daughter is not publicly known?

Source: Same as ALT2's.

The descriptors "Supreme Leader", "North Korean leader" or "its leader" could be added by the promoter to any of the hooks if they are successful, but I personally do not think the descriptors are necessary. I am confident that most readers would know who Kim Jong Un is, or at least be able to make the connection with the context of North Korea already there. Having so many extra words just makes the sentence wordy and unnatural. Yue🌙 22:16, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I like ALT3. Punchy and concise. In my orig proposal the reason I mentioned "either Koreas" is because the nature of their confirmation would differ, which is somewhat interesting. It means that North Korea did not announce it and South Korea hasn't figured it out yet. I think it's hard to communicate that though, so maybe just not worth mentioning. seefooddiet (talk) 00:21, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. Yue🌙 00:25, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Mariah Carey used a sample from the New Zealand duo Adeaze on her 2005 song "Your Girl"?

• ALT1: ... that the 2005 Mariah Carey song "Your Girl" contains a sample from "A Life with You" by the New Zealand duo Adeaze?
• Reviewed:

Heartfox (talk) 21:59, 26 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that Ornithoprion (pictured) was studied primarily using radiographs of its fossils?

• ALT1: ... that Ornithoprion (pictured) may have used its long rostrum to flip shelled prey off of the seabed while feeding? Source: https://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/page/4261459#page/51/mode/1up
• ALT2: ... that Ornithoprion hertwigi (pictured) is named in honor of Oscar Hertwig, who proposed that the vertebrate skull evolved from fused bony scales? Source: https://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/page/4261459#page/46/mode/1up
• Reviewed:

Gasmasque (talk) 18:58, 26 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• starting review--Kevmin § 02:03, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that accusations of irregularities in the allocation of shoe polishing stations by the All-Russian Union of Assyrians "Khoyad-Atur" prompted violent tensions in Moscow in the 1920s?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/GeoNet (New Zealand)

Soman (talk) 12:00, 26 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that when Marina Kondratyeva appeared as Giselle (pictured) with the Bolshoi Ballet at the Metropolitan Opera in 1962, the headline of the New York Times said that she excelled in the title role? Source: [20]
  • Reviewed: Hotel Marseilles
  • Comment: there was a previous failed nom

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:42, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• A new hook will probably be needed here as the current hook probably does not meet WP:DYKINT. The rationale is the same as the previous nomination: the hook is too complicated, has too many details, and is not a spectacular hook. My suggestion would probably to re-propose ALT1 and ALT4 from the original nomination due to meeting the guidelines better (much more direct to the point, thus meeting WP:DYKTRIM). Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 14:15, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  How about leaving the review to someone else? Perhaps not everybody will agree with you about being mentioned in a headline of the NYT, for example. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:47, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The issue is that the hook does arguably fail both DYKINT and DYKTRIM. Yes the NYT is prestigious, but a hook about a person being praised for doing their job doesn't really work as a hooky hook. It would be like having a hook on DYK saying "DYK that Lionel Messi was praised in the press for his performance during the World Cup final?" Yes a good accomplishment, but not necessarily what DYK is looking for. The other, probably more salient point here, is DYKTRIM: the hooks has several details that may distract from the main point of the hook (that she was praised for her role). DYKTRIM states don't be afraid to trim hooks of extraneous information and clauses. Even if DYKINT is subjective, DYKTRIM is less so. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:10, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

For example, ALT0 could be simplified to simply "... that a New York Times headline praised Marina Kondratyeva's 1962 performance of Giselle with the Bolshoi Ballet?" Mostly the same idea but a lot shorter per WP:DYKTRIM. I'm still not a fan of that specific angle, but if you really want to go with that one, said wording may meet the guidelines better than the original. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:16, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You are free to improve the hook, and I like the direction, but ALT0 could still play in Moscow, and the appearance of the complete Russian troupe on New York's most prestigious stage during the Cold War, which I found surprising to put it mildly, would be lost. Minor issues: I try to have the bolded subject in front, and not as a possessive, and I feel that "NYT headline" might be too sloppy for the Main page. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:58, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I really don't think ALT0 is going to work out or meet the guidelines, so I've struck it. I'm reproposing two of the hooks from the previous nomination below and offering them as options:

ALT0a that a New York Times headline praised Marina Kondratyeva's (pictured) 1962 performance of Giselle with the Bolshoi Ballet?

ALT1 ... that ballerina Marina Kondratyeva (pictured) was said to be "weightless, airy, poetic and spiritual"?

ALT2 ... that ballerina Marina Kondratyeva (pictured) served the Bolshoi Ballet and its school for over 70 years?

Is this okay with you, as a compromise? The choice in hook could be left to a different reviewer. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:11, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You didn't answer my question: How about leaving the review to someone else? Remember? ALT0a: there's still no clue that this played in New York City (not Moscow), and not she is pictured, but she in the role. ALT1: That she appears as weightless and airy is well captured in the image, - no need to say it in quoted words. That she is a ballerina is also clearly visible. ALT2: The sheer length of time served doesn't say a word about that she was top both dancing and training, let alone being the chosen one for a U.S. tour.

ALT0b: ... that when Marina Kondratyeva appeared as Giselle (pictured) with the Bolshoi Ballet at the Metropolitan Opera in 1962, she was praised in the headline of the New York Times?

ALT0c: ... that when Marina Kondratyeva appeared with the Bolshoi Ballet at the Metropolitan Opera in 1962, the headline of the New York Times said that she excelled as Giselle (pictured)? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:59, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The issue is WP:DYKTRIM and the hooks you proposed arguably do not meet it. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:29, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

To answer your question directly: I already offered to let someone else review the nomination if you agreed to ALT0a, since it met DYKTRIM. Given I technically proposed ALT1 and ALT2, I couldn't have reviewed the nomination anyway (nor can Storye book since those were originally her proposals). Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:31, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Floq, what do you think? I pinged you before to just take notice, but since, N. struck two more hooks that I believe are concise enough, and trimming further would reduce information. We claim "did you know", - saying that a ballerina was described as weightless is not passing knowledge, nor that someone served a notable organization for 70 years. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:51, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

With the caveats that (a) I'm not terribly familiar with the social mores of DYK, and (b) I'm responding to a ping, so I'm not uninvolved:

• If I recall correctly, NLH brought GA to ANI because they felt GA's blurbs were routinely too long and not interesting. And received really strong negative feeback for doing so. It seems suboptimal for NLH to continue to review GA's blurbs and complain they are too long and not interesting. Surely there are enough reviewers for someone else to review?
• Interesting, in particular, is in the eye of the beholder, and NLH received feedback that their eye does not seem to match the overall DYK community.
• It appears a hook should be around 150-160 characters, with an absolute max of 200. This one is 163 or 195 (not sure if you folks count spaces). That seems within range if DYK typically doesn't count spaces, and maybe in need of a trim if DYK usually does.
• Since I'm semi-involved, I won't try to propose a shorter hook myself. The current one doesn't seem confusing, though, which I would think is more important than simple length.
• There might be other things I'm not aware of, so if I've ignored something the DYK community considers important, take this with a grain of salt.

--Floquenbeam (talk) 17:30, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Floquenbeam, I believe that NLH was at ANI to ask for sanctions against Gerda, not to receive feedback on the hooks themselves. I remember a couple of times Gerda has asked at WT:DYK for opinions on "interestingness" of the hooks she favours—the response, I believe, can fairly be characterised as "uniformly negative". This discussion was the first to come to mind. On the other points, I agree with the first, disagree for the third—as short as possible is best, most are around 100—and am neutral on the fourth. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 23:51, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that "The Christmas Invasion" was the first story for Doctor Who clearly labelled as a Christmas special?

• ALT1: ... that "The Christmas Invasion" was the first time Doctor Who had featured on the Radio Times Christmas edition cover in the show's forty-two-year history? Source: On 3 December 2005, the annual Christmas edition of the BBC's listings magazine Radio Times was released, featuring a Doctor Who cover to tie-in with "The Christmas Invasion".[21]
• ALT2: ... that "The Christmas Invasion" was the first full episode starring David Tennant as the Tenth Doctor? Source: This special was the first full episode starring David Tennant as the Tenth Doctor.
• Reviewed:

DoctorWhoFan91 (talk) 06:46, 26 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that people have tried drawing phalluses on the earthquake monitoring website GeoNet?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Lego Indiana Jones: The Original Adventures

―Panamitsu (talk) 03:43, 26 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• Length, date, qpq, close paraphrase check ok. But is there a possibility for a second reference for the hook fact? The notion that 'certain appendage' is to be understood as a dick requires a bit of reading between the lines, but the ref also talks about this as an one-off incident. --Soman (talk) 11:49, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Hmm okay. I've had a look for another source but couldn't find one. Does this mean that I have to find another fact? I've at least changed the plurality of the hook to address that concern.

ALT1:

... that people have tried drawing a phallus on the earthquake monitoring website GeoNet?

―Panamitsu (talk) 21:59, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

But still, we have one source saying that maybe someone once drew a dick using the platform. Unless there is another ref indicating that the trolling of the site would be a phenomenon, I'd suggest that another factoid be used for ALT hook. --Soman (talk) 15:56, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Bob Hainlen, one of the youngest players for the Wilmington Clippers professional football team, was also the team's assistant coach?

• ALT1: ... that football player Bob Hainlen, although only 17 years old and the youngest starting quarterback in his college's history, was described as already being a "master" of the position? Source: quote from this article ("he handles passing assignments, and play-calling like a master") + this for being youngest in school history
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Xinwen Bao
• Comment: QPQ to be done within 24 hours.

BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:51, 3 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that Key West was one of the wealthiest cities in the United States per capita in the in the mid-19th century?

• Reviewed:
• Comment: Key West's wrecking, cigar, and salt manufacturing industries allowed it to become one of the wealthiest cities in the United States per capita.

Bronson Fotiadis1 (talk) 00:03, 28 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy compliance:

• Adequate sourcing: - Some of the sources used are not reliable (such as Conch Tour Train, WorldPopulationReview, nationalregisterofhistoricplaces.com [a non-official site], etc.).
• Neutral:
• Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: - Some close paraphrasing picked up by Earwig is a cause for concern, such as the Federal Wrecking Act paragraph.

Hook eligibility:

• Cited: - WorldPopulationReview is not a reliable source.
• Interesting:
• Other problems: - The link is far, far too long.

Image eligibility:

• Freely licensed:
• Used in article: - Not used in article.
• Clear at 100px: - Not particularly relevant to the proposed hook.

QPQ: None required.

Overall: The article needs some polishing and some new hooks would be appreciated. SounderBruce 01:20, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that television director Diana Edwards-Jones was credited with introducing the practice of interspersing a short headline with the hour chimes of Big Ben during the title sequence of News at Ten? Source: Guardian and The Daily Telegraph
  • ALT1: ... that television director Diana Edwards-Jones introduced earpieces to permit direct communication between a control room and newsreaders? Source: Guardian and The Daily Telegraph
  • Reviewed:

EnthusiastWorld37 (talk) 20:26, 27 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that violinist Gilopez Kabayao was the first Filipino to perform at New York's Carnegie Hall in 1950?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Anatolii Brezvin
• Comment: Many sources state that Kabayao's Carnegie Hall performance in 1950 was done when he was 19 years old, but this is impossible if he was born in 1929 so I omitted this from the article and therefore the hook. This error might affect the hook under WP:EXCEPTIONAL and especially since a different source (Manila Bulletin) says, "Kabayao is widely believed to be the first Filipino to play at the prestigious Carnegie Hall in New York City".

seav (talk) 23:53, 3 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that when Charles de Gaulle visited Rio de Janeiro, the city's governor refused to greet his ship due to the recent Lobster War?

• Reviewed: [[]]
• Comment: Found this article while new page patrolling.

Dan Leonard (talk • contribs) 00:05, 31 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy compliance:

• Adequate sourcing:
• Neutral:
• Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook eligibility:

• Cited:
• Interesting:

QPQ: None required.

Overall: Can you provide a quotation from the source linking the refusal to the lobster war, so it can be translated and verified? The article makes frequent opinion statements and makes liberal use of opinion adjectives. I think greater attribution in the article of who is stating such opinions is necessary. Also, inline citations are missing from the ends of the following paragraphs:

Ergo Sum 03:42, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

here is a quotation : "Le Gouverneur de Rio de Janeiro, Carlos LACERDA décide de boycotter l'arrivée du général dons sa ville et c'est le président de la République brésilienne qui doit aller accueillir son hôte à l'arrivée du «Colbert»" rough translation : " Rio's Governor, Carlos Lacerda decided to boycott the General's arrival in the city, so instead the President of the Republic had to meet his host when the Colbert arrived" Kimdime (talk) 08:58, 4 November 2024 (UTC) The link to the Lobster war is made on the previous paragraph (p.12 of the same source)Kimdime (talk) 09:32, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding inline (= online I guess ?) citations, well, that's the point, some stuff isn't available online and still has to be found in paper sources, in libraries, I tend to think that this is one of the added values of the work that has been done for this article. If I had relied only on online sources, I would not had been able to write the original article.Kimdime (talk) 09:49, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No, I meant inline as in WP:INLINE. Every paragraph must end in a citation. Ergo Sum 16:03, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that the physical version of Chromakopia contains an extra song?

• Reviewed:

MontanaMako (talk) 21:50, 30 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that gamblers have an inflated confidence when they choose a lottery ticket or throw the roulette ball compared to when another agent does so?

• ALT1: ... that due to the near-miss effect, gamblers may mistake a game of luck for a game of skill? Source: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2658737/
  (The presence of personal control may be a core factor in causing the gambler to mistake a game of chance for a game with some skill component, which is effectively controllable.)
• Reviewed: [[]]

Who am I? / Talk to me! / What have I done? 13:05, 30 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that as a result of the COVID-19 lockdowns in Italy, the members of Nocturna met for the first time while recording their debut album?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Abraham Hamadeh

Cambalachero (talk) 16:23, 29 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook eligibility:

• Cited:
• Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: The "Members" section and the beginning of "Discography" should have inline citations. Can you please pull a quote saying they first met because of Covid? I'm not seeing it in the source. Ergo Sum 16:59, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• • There's no need to reference discographies or line-ups, it is presumed that the band's album itself is an acceptable source for such trivial and non-controversial info. See WP:PRIMARY. As for the hook, my translated view of the page says "The band was formed during the lockdown, so we worked remotely at first. Everyone recorded their own demo and sent it to the others. We met for the first time in the studio." Perhaps you missed it because there's a "How did Nocturna come about?" question, which does not mention this, and you did not realize that the topic would come up again later. Cambalachero (talk) 18:29, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Zeng Laishun (pictured) was the first Chinese person to attend college in the United States?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Checheyigen

Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 21:33, 28 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• I didn't know he was the first - this is definitely cool and DYK worthy! Blervis (talk) 04:44, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Blervis: If this is a review, make sure to follow the steps at Wikipedia:Did you know/Reviewer instructions; check the source (if possible), and make sure the article fits the DYK criteria. Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 04:56, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment to the reviewer: given that this is a "first" hook, and a pretty exceptional one at that, please be sure to check if the sources adequately support the claim, and see if counterexamples can be found. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 04:14, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Narutolovehinata5: Since Blervis looks like a pretty new reviewer, and this is a hook with higher sourcing standards than usual, should I put this up for second opinion? I think that might be a good idea. Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 04:33, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We can have a second opinion from an experienced editor, who at the same time could try teaching Blervis the ropes. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 04:36, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Taurus 09 (exercise pictured) was the largest Royal Navy deployment in more than ten years?

• ALT1: ... that the Royal Navy's Taurus 09 deployment (exercise pictured) was featured in the TV series Warship? Source: "Visitors included the former and present First Sea Lords, Admiral Band and Stanhope respectively, a film crew from Granada TV producing the next series of Warship for channel 5" from: "A new experience for so many of us". Navy News. September 2009. p. 4.
• ALT2: ... that as part of the Royal Navy's Taurus 09 deployment sailors from HMS Somerset rowed the length of the Suez Canal? Source: "on the way home through Suez, 81 Somerset officers and sailors 'rowed' the canal, each one rowing two kilometres as quickly as they could, achieving the distance in a total of 10 hours 40 minutes" from: "A new experience for so many of us". Navy News. September 2009. p. 4.
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Herbert Smith (mineralogist)

Dumelow (talk) 12:54, 28 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that novelist Karen Tei Yamashita finally realized the structure of her novel, I Hotel, by cutting, folding, and writing on ten cardboard cubes, using each one to represent a year in the book?

• • Reviewed:

Phibeatrice (talk) 01:11, 4 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that the God of Amiens (head pictured) has a protruding animal ear?

• ALT1: ... that the God of Amiens (head pictured) has lost his serpent? Source: Mahéo, Noël (1990). "136. Statuette d'une divinité à l'oreille de cervidé". In Viéville, Dominic (ed.). Les collections archéologiques du musée de Picardie. Vol. 1. Amiens: Trois Cailloux. p. 236. ISBN 978-2-402-42576-6.
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Shunten
• Comment: ALT1 is fun, but you might rightly reject it since it relies on a reconstruction, put forth by Lerat, of the statuette as once holding a serpent and grapes. To my knowledge nobody has rejected this reconstruction (Mahéo and Deonna explicitly concur) but it is just a reconstruction.

Tenpop421 (talk) 23:47, 31 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that Peel's Cut was dug by the grandfather of British prime minister Robert Peel?

• ALT1: ... that the Peel's Cut watercourse in Staffordshire, England, lasted more than 100 years longer than the mill it was excavated to power? Source: As above for date of creation and filling, plus: "Bond End Mill last made cotton in 1849." from: Brook, Fred (1977). The Industrial Archaeology of the British Isles. Batsford. p. 101. ISBN 978-0-7134-0924-6.
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Edmonds (brand)

Dumelow (talk) 17:24, 29 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that the author of the comic book Timeless Voyage was the leader of a UFO religion? Source: Abgrall, Jean-Marie (1999). "Sectes Ufologiques". Les sectes de l'apocalypse: gourous de l'an 2000 (in French). Paris: Calmann-Lévy. p. 95. ISBN 978-2-7021-2954-8. Troisième et dernier mouvement exclusivement ufologique répertorié dans le rapport parlementaire sur les sectes : le groupe Siderella, connu sous les appellations successives de Isozen, Futura, Galacteus, Euro-Culture, Italia, Résonances nouvelles, Azur Mieux-Ëtre, les Voyageurs intemporels et, enfin, Siderella. Fondé et dirigé par Jean-Paul Appel — de son nom de gourou Appel Guery [...]. Appel Guery est aussi l'auteur du scénario de la bande dessinée par Sergio Macedo, Voyage intemporel [...]
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Luce (mascot)

PARAKANYAA (talk) 05:56, 29 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that sports broadcaster Carrlyn Bathe started her career as a member of the Los Angeles Kings Ice Crew?

• ALT1: ... that Carrlyn Bathe met her husband after he sent her gear from his clothing brand? Source: [23]
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Jopie Roosenburg-Goudriaan

Kimikel (talk) 04:05, 29 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• Will be claiming this for review and hope to get to it soon. Among the two hooks, ALT1 is probably the more unusual or interesting once since it's less reliant on NHL knowledge (and thus specialist knowledge), although I would suggest also putting "sports broadcaster" before her name. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:23, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Pennsylvania lieutenant governor John Fetterman and Congressman Brendan Boyle staged a debate over their favorite gas station chain?

• ALT1: ... that at the 2024 Democratic National Convention, vice presidential nominee Tim Walz was booed for visiting the "wrong" Pennsylvanian gas station chain? Source: "During a Democratic National Convention breakfast with Pennsylvania delegates, Walz mentioned visiting Sheetz while campaigning Sunday. That drew some lighthearted boos from Wawa loyalists." Delaware Online
• ALT2: ... that Johnny Knoxville and Bam Margera both have tattoos of their favorite Pennsylvanian gas station chain? Source: "MTV's Jackass actor and stuntman Johnny Knoxville sports a Wawa tattoo, and so does skateboarder Bam Margera." Adweek (paywalled)
• Reviewed:
• Comment: First two hooks are WP:DYKELECT until November 7, 2024.

Dan Leonard (talk • contribs) 00:23, 29 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that a new soccer team in Boise, Idaho, plans to play at a converted horse racing track? Source: Idaho Press
  • Reviewed: History of Key West

SounderBruce 22:10, 31 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that China was once the "Kingdom of Bicycles"?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Fisheries in the Philippines

Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 16:11, 31 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that Tommy Suggs recommended using Also sprach Zarathustra from 2001: A Space Odyssey as the South Carolina Gamecocks football team's entrance music because he saw Elvis Presley do it first?

• ALT1: ... that as the starting quarterback of the 1969 South Carolina Gamecocks football team, Tommy Suggs led the program to its first and only conference championship? Source: The Post and Courier
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Miracle in Motown

JJonahJackalope (talk) 02:27, 31 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that the future USS Wolverine was used as a hotel during the 7th National Eucharistic Congress in Cleveland?

• ALT1: ... that the Seeandbee, later renovated into the aircraft carrier USS Wolverine, was used as a hotel during the 7th National Eucharistic Congress in Cleveland? Source: "Akron School Children Plan To Attend Eucharistic Mass". The Akron Beacon Journal. Sep 24, 1935. p. 24. Retrieved 30 October 2024. "Pilgrims Shaken". The Cincinnati Post. Sep 24, 1935. p. 1. Retrieved 30 October 2024.
• ALT2: ... that a ship used as an aircraft carrier during World War II was used as a hotel during the 7th National Eucharistic Congress in 1935? Source: "Akron School Children Plan To Attend Eucharistic Mass". The Akron Beacon Journal. Sep 24, 1935. p. 24. Retrieved 30 October 2024. "Pilgrims Shaken". The Cincinnati Post. Sep 24, 1935. p. 1. Retrieved 30 October 2024.
• Reviewed:
• Comment: I can email a PDF of the source to anyone reviewing; just shoot me an email. Open to rephrasing hooks if you have any suggestions!

~Darth Stabro^{Talk • Contribs} 21:55, 30 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that basketball player Charel Allen scored more points in high school than NCAA all-time leading scorer Caitlin Clark?

• ALT1: ... in high school, basketball player Charel Allen scored more points than NCAA all-time leading scorer Caitlin Clark?

• ALT2: ... that basketball player Charel Allen was a five-time Bulgarian Cup champion despite only knowing a few words of Bulgarian?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/John Hawks (architect)

~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 14:17, 30 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that Interstate 59 only has three exits in the U.S. state of Georgia?

• Reviewed:
• Comment: Even though the source shows a blank site, simply click the drop-down menu below and select "Interstate 59" from there. It should display the exits the Interstate has.

NoobThreePointOh (talk) 13:49, 30 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• Kind of dull as is, especially since the much shorter Louisiana segment also only has three exits. How about ...
  • ALT1: ... that there are only three exits along the 20 miles (32 km) of Interstate 59 in Georgia? Daniel Case (talk) 21:49, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • You mean 33 km? Because there's only 20 miles (32 km) of I-59 in Georgia. I assume you might have made a typo there. I can definitely accept that, though. NoobThreePointOh (talk) 21:52, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      •  Fixed You are correct ... I confused the km and miles. Daniel Case (talk) 04:42, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• To be honest, I don't think this angle is working out. The hook seems rather specialist, requiring knowledge and familiarity with how highway systems work, which most readers won't have. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:47, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yeah, I'm actually not sure what to say, since that's the only interesting hook I could come up with. I-59 in Georgia is pretty rural and I had to try and scrape together as much information as I could from older newspapers dating back to the 1960s and 70s. It depends. NoobThreePointOh (talk) 16:57, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If that's the case then it might be for the best to let this one go. Unfortunately not all articles are meant for DYK and this could be one of those. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:01, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know if this is a good idea, but in my opinion, I think this review should get the feedback of another reviewer. At least that's based on my thoughts. NoobThreePointOh (talk) 00:31, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that in 2022, all five book nominations for the Akutagawa Prize were written by women, including former Japanese adult actress Suzumi Suzuki, who wrote Gifted after her own experiences?

• • ALT1: ... that former adult film actress Suzumi Suzuki pivoted to writing literature in 2022 with her novel, Gifted, which became one of five books nominated for the Akutagawa Prize that year? Source: Same as first source
  • Reviewed:

Phibeatrice (talk) 00:51, 4 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that Singapore's first R-rated play was performed despite the police finding it "offensive"?

• Reviewed:
• Comment: The article mentions the Public Entertainment Licensing Unit, which is part of the Singapore Police Force. Source: https://www.police.gov.sg/e-Services/Police-Licences/Public-Entertainment-Licence

Imbluey2. Please ping me so that I get notified of your response 06:29, 2 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that match-three video games such Candy Crush Saga are often considered Bejeweled clones?

• ALT1: ... that Bejeweled was originally named Diamond Mine prior to its release on MSN Gaming Zone? Source: [27]
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Lily Golden

Lazman321 (talk) 22:03, 1 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that the first backflip in figure skating done at the Olympics was in 1998 by French skater Surya Bonaly, even though it was an illegal move? Source: Walker, Rhiannon (18 February 2022). "Forgotten Fridays: In Her Last Olympic Competition, Surya Bonaly Pulled Something Special out of Her Back Pocket". The New York Times.
  • ALT1: ... that the backflip ban in figure skating was lifted in 2024, when it and other "somersault type jumps” were removed from the International Skating Union's list of restricted moves and elements? Source: Skretta, Dave (15 October 2024)."That's Flippin' Amazing! Figure Skating Grand Prix Season Begins with Backflips No Longer Banned". ABC News.
  • Reviewed: Pablo Barragán

Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 16:47, 1 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that the death rate from adrenal crises can amount to 6%? Source: Hahner et al. 2015
  • Reviewed:

IntentionallyDense (talk) 03:39, 1 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that the fortune left by Zhu Baosan (pictured) was reported to have been greatly diminished by his philanthropic activities?

• ALT1: ... that the business interests of Zhu Baosan (pictured) ranged from banking and insurance to shipping and coal mining? Source: "The Mourning Ceremonies for Mr. Chu Pao-san". The North-China Herald. 6 November 1926. p. 257. "He promoted the Commercial’ Bank of China, the Ningpo Commercial Bank, the Chekiang Industrial Bank and the Chung Hua Commercial. and Savings Bank. He was an organizer of the Wah An Fire and Marine Insurance Company, the Wah Sing Insurance Company, and the China United Assurance Society. He was a director of the Liu Kiang and Chang Hsin Mining Companies. He was interested in the Nantao Tramway Company, the Tinghai Electric [Construction “Company” and the Chousan Electric Company. He was a director of the Chousan Steam Navigation Company, the Yung An Steamship Company, the Yung Leo Shipping Company, 'the Chang Ko Navigation Company, the Ta Tah Navigation Company and in several other shipping interests. He was a prominent shareholder in many cotton and flour mills, pap factories and other industrial enterprises."
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Flag of Falcón state (1 of 2)

 — Chris Woodrich (talk) 22:58, 31 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that upon its opening in 2011, New World Mall (pictured) was the largest Asian shopping mall in the Northeastern United States?

• ALT1: ... that in 2024, New World Mall (pictured) in Flushing, Queens, was raided by the FBI as part of their investigations into the Eric Adams administration? Source: 2
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/2024 Kansas City metropolitan area rent strike

Morgan695 (talk) 16:08, 31 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• Reviewing now... —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 02:37, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
Freely licensed: Used in article: Clear at 100px:

QPQ: - Not done
Overall: Interesting and well-sourced article. No copyright problems. It is new and long enough. Both hooks are interesting (I suspect ALT1 may be more timely). Waiting on the QPQ... —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 02:46, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@CurryTime7-24: QPQ has been completed. Morgan695 (talk) 15:43, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that the Martha Heasley Cox Center for Steinbeck Studies houses the world's largest John Steinbeck archive?

• Reviewed:

SammySpartan (talk) 19:44, 4 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that Arthur France founded the first West Indian carnival in Europe?

• ALT1: ... that when Arthur France founded the Leeds West Indian Carnival in 1967, it was the first Caribbean carnival in Europe? Source: same source
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Trilobite Wilderness

Chaiten1 (talk) 20:45, 1 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that David Hilchen played a key role in the establishment of Renaissance humanism in the area of the present-day Baltic states? Source: Viiding 2024, p. 119-120
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Valse in A minor (Chopin)

Yakikaki (talk) 15:31, 1 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that American missiles were used to bomb a displacement camp in Rafah?

• Reviewed:

Personisinsterest (talk) 12:25, 1 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• I'd like to propose some alternative hooks, if that's okay:

1. ALT1 = ... that the "Kuwaiti Peace" tent camp, struck by Israeli fighter jets, was located only 200 meters from the largest UNRWA humanitarian aid storage warehouse in the Gaza Strip? Source: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hamas-rockets-central-israel-gaza-strip-sirens/

2. ALT2 = ... that a viral image showing tents in Rafah arranged to spell "All Eyes on Rafah" called for global attention to the humanitarian crisis following the Tel al-Sultan attack? Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/29/world/middleeast/all-eyes-on-rafah.html

3. ALT3 = ... that the Tel al-Sultan attack was the deadliest incident of the Rafah offensive? Source: https://www.axios.com/2024/05/27/rafah-tent-camp-strike-biden-israel-red-line

• Smallangryplanet (talk) 09:24, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that as a teenager in the 1900s, Annie Huggett organised suffragette meetings at her local pub?

• ALT1: ... that at 103 years old, Annie Huggett was the oldest surviving suffragette at the time of her 1996 death? Source: "Annie was proud to be both the country’s oldest surviving suffragette and the longest card-carrying member of the Labour Party. ,,, The Red Flag was sung at Annie’s funeral in 1996 when she was laid to rest in Rippleside Cemetery." from the same source
• ALT2: ... that because of her republican beliefs, Annie Huggett's family hid from her the telegram sent by Elizabeth II to mark a British person's 100th birthday? Source: "He last saw Annie in May 1992 on her 100th birthday and remembers two cards being pride of place on her mantelpiece – one was from the Labour Party, the other was from Barking Town FC ... He said both were very important to her – but there was one birthday message that certainly wasn’t on display: her message from the Queen. When Gerry asked Annie’s daughter about its whereabouts he was told that they had hidden it for fear of offending her as she was a lifelong and staunch republican." from the same source
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Johnny Fripp

Dumelow (talk) 08:03, 1 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that although the plant species Dolichostachys elongata was first described in 1862, it was not considered validly published until 160 years later?

• ALT1: ... that failing to designate a type specimen can render a newly described species invalid, as in the case of Dolichostachys elongata? Source: Manzitto-Tripp, Erin A.; Darbyshire, Iain; Daniel, Thomas F.; Kiel, Carrie A.; McDade, Lucinda A. (2022). "Revised classification of Acanthaceae and worldwide dichotomous keys". Taxon. 71 (1): 141–142. doi:10.1002/tax.12600.
• Reviewed:

Ethmostigmus 🌿 (talk

• ... that a squirrel once helped its owner's OnlyFans account make $800,000 in a month? Source: https://tribune.com.pk/story/2507306/new-york-couple-blames-jealousy-for-pet-squirrel-peanuts-seizure-and-euthanization-by-dec
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Moses da Rieti
  • Comment: Drive-by nom, this was way too good a hook to pass up. I'll clean this up in the morning.

Launchballer 22:08, 4 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• Note to the reviewer: the article is currently on the Recent deaths section of ITN, but as the disqualification only applies to bolded links in blurbs and not to RD entries, the article remains eligible for DYK. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 04:16, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that on the ship Eastern Venus (pictured), the "Modern" suite is not in modern style?

• • Reviewed:

UserMemer (chat) Tribs 21:03, 3 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that the onomatopoeia "puff-puff" originated in Dragon Ball before becoming a staple of the Dragon Quest series?

• ALT1: ... that the sexual onomatopoeia "puff-puff" has been censored in English releases of Dragon Quest until Dragon Quest XI? Source: https://www.thegamer.com/dragon-quest-puff-puff-joke-explained/
  https://www.gamerevolution.com/news/381261-dragon-quest-xi-wont-censored-western-players
• Reviewed:

Cukie Gherkin (talk) 04:43, 3 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that after the liberation of Rome, U.S. Army chaplain Patrick Ryan celebrated a Mass of Thanksgiving in the Church of Santa Maria degli Angeli e dei Martiri for 10,000 people?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Charles Biasiny-Rivera

~Darth Stabro^{Talk • Contribs} 00:59, 3 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that a manuscript of the New Testament was bound with the books in the wrong order, to which a scholar decried "[he] has messed everything up"?

• Reviewed:

Stephen Walch (talk) 18:12, 2 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that farmer, teacher, and author Gail Damerow was described by Grist magazine as "poultry's Cesar Millan"?

• ALT1: ... that Gail Damerow's book described by the New York Times as the "authoritative book on ice cream" was created because of the lack of good recipes in her ice cream maker's recipe booklet? Source: "The scoop on ice cream" - The Knoxville News-Sentinel
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Boxheim Documents

Silverseren^C 01:30, 5 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that Augustus Pugin called St John the Evangelist Church, Islington a "deformity", which was refuted by Joseph Hansom?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Carlyle Hotel

Cardofk (talk) 21:36, 4 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that residents evacuated in the wake of the Fukushima nuclear accident were exposed to so little radiation that radiation-induced health effects are likely to be below detectable levels?

• • ALT1: ... that during the Fukushima nuclear accident officials were told not to use the phrase "core meltdown" in order to conceal the meltdown until they officially recognized it two months after the accident? Source: " Tepco asked a third-party panel to investigate the matter and the panel released a report on 16 June saying the company’s then-president, Masataka Shimizu, had instructed officials not to use the words "core meltdown"." https://www.neimagazine.com/news/tepco-concealed-core-meltdowns-during-fukushima-accident-4931915/
  • ALT2: ... that the Fukushima nuclear accident was foreseeable and preventable? Source: "The accident "cannot be regarded as a natural disaster," the panel's chairman, Tokyo University professor emeritus Kiyoshi Kurokawa, wrote in the report. "It was a profoundly manmade disaster -- that could and should have been foreseen and prevented. And its effects could have been mitigated by a more effective human response."" https://www.smh.com.au/world/fukushima-nuclear-accident--manmade-not-natural--disaster-20120705-21jrl.html
  • Reviewed:

Czarking0 (talk) 20:40, 4 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that Mary Robertson was the first woman to receive a Doctor of Science in Medicine from the University of Cape Town? Source: ^[1]
  • Reviewed:

Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 20:29, 4 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that in 2016, two thieves stole a van filled with $350,000 worth of rare books in Oakland, California, and tried to sell first editions of William Faulkner and Cormac McCarthy to Moe's Books nearby?

• • Reviewed:

Phibeatrice (talk) 23:41, 3 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that Cathedral Cemetery was the first Catholic cemetery established in Philadelphia?

• ALT1: ... that over 50 members of the 69th Pennsylvania Infantry are interred at Cathedral Cemetery in Philadelphia? Source: The cemetery contains the burial of over 50 members of the 69th Pennsylvania Infantry Regiment, a volunteer regiment of Irish immigrants that fought at the Battle of Gettysburg and other major battles of the American Civil War. (Keels - page 97)
• ALT2: ... that the funds from the sale of burial lots at Cathedral Cemetery in Philadelphia were used for the construction of the Cathedral Basilica of Saints Peter and Paul? Source: The cemetery was named Cathedral Cemetery since funds raised by the sale of burial lots were intended for the construction of the Cathedral Basilica of Saints Peter and Paul. (Keels - page 91)
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Amer Ghalib

Dwkaminski (talk) 19:55, 3 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that as part of an insurance fraud scheme, Big Motor employees hit cars with socks stuffed with golf balls?

• ALT1: ... that Tokyo police raided Big Motor's headquarters as part of an investigation about tree killing? Source: 13 at Bigmotor Referred to Prosecutors over Roadside Trees, The Japan News - "Bigmotor officials told Jiji Press in September last year that the company cut down trees and sprayed herbicides...The Tokyo police raided Bigmotor’s headquarters and nine outlets in September last year over the dead trees."
• Reviewed:

FossilDS (talk) 19:14, 3 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that Arab physician Abu Sulayman Da'ud was recruited by the Latin king of Jerusalem to treat a disabled boy prince, while Abu Sulayman's son taught the prince to ride a horse using only his knees?

• ALT1: ... that Arab Christian physician Abu Sulayman Da'ud served both Latin Christian and Arab Muslim rulers? Source: "This Eastern Christian family thus knit together different political and religious groups of the region by bringing their medical expertise to serve both the Franks and the Ayyubids. Zimo p. 159
• ALT2: ... that Arab Christian physician Abu Sulayman Da'ud treated the Christian prince Baldwin of Jerusalem, but as an astrologer sent a message to Baldwin's enemy Saladin prophesizing Saladin's victory? Source: "... he also took a message from his father, a noted astrologer, to Saladin, assuring him that he would conquer Jerusalem." Hamilton p. 186
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Czarodziejski okręt
• Comment: Hamilton describes Abu Khayr in his 2000 book as Abu Sulayman's brother. Other cited sources, as well as Hamilton in his 1980 book, describes Abu Khayr as Abu Sulayman's son.

Surtsicna (talk) 18:45, 3 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that bacteria can produce fuel?

• Reviewed:

Hmsuth4770 (talk) 17:52, 3 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• Not a 5x expansion. Ian (Wiki Ed) (talk) 21:35, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Technically, it's not far off, but either way it's a few hundred off 1,500 characters and very stubby. I say give @Hmsuth4770: a chance.--Launchballer 22:41, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that the Jiangwan Racecourse (pictured) hosted horse races, a golf club, and prisoners of war?

• • ALT1: ... that British forces severed a Chinese railway line after an aircraft was forced to land at the Jiangwan Racecourse (pictured)? Source: "Firm Action by British Military in Shanghai". The North-China Herald. Shanghai. 20 August 1927. pp. 309–310. Retrieved 3 November 2024.
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Benjamin Franklin Shumard

 — Chris Woodrich (talk) 16:13, 3 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that footballer Kang Ju-hyeok (pictured) became the youngest player to debut in FC Seoul history at 17 years, 9 months, and 6 days old?

• ALT1: ... that footballer Kang Ju-hyeok (pictured) became the third youngest player to debut in K League history at 17 years, 9 months, and 6 days old? Source: https://www.fourfourtwo.co.kr/news/articleView.html?idxno=55320
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Glomp

✗plicit 13:52, 3 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that Femke Bol won the women's 400 metres at the 2023 European Athletics Indoor Championships (final pictured) with her third 400 metres indoor race under 50 seconds of 2023?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Al-Altan

Editør (talk) 11:14, 3 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that the 2000 edition of the Eurovision Song Contest was the first to be broadcast live over the internet?

• ALT1: ... that the Israeli entry at the Eurovision Song Contest 2000 was disowned by the country's national broadcaster when the performers waved Israeli and Syrian flags in a call for peace between nations? Source: The end of a decade: Stockholm 2000 Outraged Israel disowns daring Eurovision entry
• ALT2: ... that the broadcast of the Eurovision Song Contest 2000 in the Netherlands was suspended partway through in order to provide emergency news coverage of a fireworks disaster? Source: The end of a decade: Stockholm 2000
• ALT3: ... that the Russian delegation petitioned for the disqualification of the winning Danish entry at the Eurovision Song Contest 2000 because of the group's use of a vocoder during the performance? Source: The end of a decade: Stockholm 2000 Stockholm 2000
• Reviewed: [[]]
• Comment: QPQ to come

Sims2aholic8 (talk) 10:41, 3 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• @Sims2aholic8: Per a recent rule change, nominations should have a QPQ provided at the time of the nomination, rather than the old rule where they could be given up to a week after. The nomination is liable to be closed without further warning if a QPQ is not provided as soon as possible. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 04:21, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that after he failed to come home for dinner, Rev. James Michael Reardon's assistant priests found he had died in the Basilica of Saint Mary while praying the rosary?

• ALT1: ... that despite knowing nothing about journalism, The Catholic Bulletin's founding editor Rev. James Michael Reardon established a paid subscriber base of 25,000? Source: "Catholic Bulletin Is 50 Years Old". The Minneapolis Star. 7 January 1961. p. 7A. Retrieved 5 November 2024.
• ALT2: ... that Rev. James Michael Reardon was called "the last of the clerical gentlemen"? Source: "Monsignor Reardon". The Minneapolis Star. 14 December 1963. Retrieved 4 November 2024.
• ALT3: ... that Rev. James Michael Reardon wrote "the most comprehensive" history book of the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Saint Paul and Minneapolis? Source: Hopfensperger, Jean (Mar 21, 1988). "Area Catholic churches mark century of service". pp. 7B. Retrieved 5 November 2024.
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/St Francis of Assisi Church, Notting Hill

~Darth Stabro^{Talk • Contribs} 02:56, 5 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that a skull of the distant horse relative Palaeotherium (pictured) was first described as belonging to an amphibian then later to a canine?

• ALT1: ... that the science historian Bruno Belhoste argued that Georges Cuvier's study of Palaeotherium (pictured) in 1798 "marks the true birth of paleontology"? Source: Chapter 10: From Quarry to Paper. Cuvier's Three Epistemological Cultures
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Hymenophyllum axsmithii

PrimalMustelid (talk) 23:58, 4 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that during breeding season, the male standard-winged nightjar (pictured) grows a wing ornament over twice the length of its body?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Harvey Tuckett

Reconrabbit 22:33, 4 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

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