The new vertically oriented image makes the userbox taller than the "standard" userbox and kinda messes with the formatting of my userbox grouping layout on my userpage as a result. For now, I'm going to revert to the earlier version, not as commentary on the image but, rather, to bring the size back in line. I hope this will be ok until we can figure something else out. Thanks. Qqqqqq (talk) 06:35, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This is a senseless reason to revert. This is the original and was only changed because the image was deleted and renamed while I was inactive. Userpages are useless, so I really don't care what it does to your userpage. This is the logo. --William S. Saturn (talk) 06:42, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Um, ok. No need to be a jerk about it. Not sure when that became the logo of the wikiproject, either. There are more to Presidents than TR. Qqqqqq (talk) 06:46, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not being a jerk. You need to understand that this has been discussed already, and you're not going to revert because of the inconvenience it causes to your userpage. That is disrespectful to all other users with the userbox. --William S. Saturn (talk) 06:49, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You absolutely were. Your attitude is one of condescension and superiority. I didn't see the discussion, as this discussion page did not previously exist. No need to bite me; I thought I was doing something helpful. Qqqqqq (talk) 06:52, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You've been editing since 2005, you should understand. --William S. Saturn (talk) 06:56, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I do indeed. The userbox has been the same size for about 11 months, until last week or so, and then it suddenly became bigger. Didn't see the discussion wherein consensus for that change was developed. Silly me for thinking the earlier version was the product of consensus, going unchanged from July 2008 until June 2009. Qqqqqq (talk) 07:04, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The project was mostly inactive during that time. --William S. Saturn (talk) 07:06, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

To clarify, I should have phrased better. I didn't mean that I wanted to change the userbox to conform to the standards of my own userpage, but to the "standard" userbox size that the vast majority of userboxes seem to use. Seemed like a reasonable thing to do at the time. Qqqqqq (talk) 07:18, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Plus, you should've waited for a response rather than unilaterally changing it, especially given that it was recently changed. --William S. Saturn (talk) 07:21, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see why it's such a big deal. Maybe you could have done the same when changing it previously without providing any rationale, for that matter. Qqqqqq (talk) 07:23, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I placed the correct logo on the page that was deleted but existed under a different name. My changes were already discussed.--William S. Saturn (talk) 07:27, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

@William S. Saturn: Give me a good reason for not changing this userbox. The new style I created is of standard size, and has elements truly representative of presidential elections, an electoral map and a POTUS seal. The old one has a bad photo, is outsized, and isn't very artistic. Spartan7W § 16:07, 12 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Because you can create another without changing the original.--William S. Saturn (talk) 16:08, 12 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

That's not an answer. Why can't I change the original? Spartan7W § 16:21, 12 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Because you can easily create another.--William S. Saturn (talk) 16:23, 12 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

That isn't an answer of principle or basis. Bold changes can be made, I made one. You did not give a substantive reason to oppose my changes. Spartan7W § 16:26, 12 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I don't need to. This is not in the mainspace. There is no reason you cannot just create another template.--William S. Saturn (talk) 16:29, 12 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I have real rationale to update this userbox: style, symbols, size. You have no reason to support its present form. Yes, I could create a new one. But my version is a cleaner, more representative userbox, in line with those used by other United States WikiProjects. Give me a substantive reason why not to update, not just a 'no'. Spartan7W § 16:34, 12 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

This is not mainspace. No stylistic reason is good reason to change a template that has been in use for eight years and which others have added to their userpages.--William S. Saturn (talk) 16:40, 12 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Simply because it has been around doesn't mean it hasn't been outdated. This is outdated. Poor photo, poor caption, oversized for a WikiProject userbox used by many. Your opposition to change isn't a substantive reason to oppose. Spartan7W § 01:22, 13 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]