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The FBI has not yet released 2016 data. What you are citing is preliminary data, which can (and has in the past) varied significantly from the final figures, which are typically published in September or October of the year following the reporting year. It is more accurate to stick with the formalized data when it is published, rather than interim data. 2015 is the most recent year with full data. My graph is based off the final published data, so I won't be updating it until the next report is published. Anastrophe (talk) 02:23, 16 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I would also recommend that you revert your edits that use the preliminary data. Unreliable data should be avoided. Anastrophe (talk) 02:25, 16 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox /Chart: Please do look at this: https://teknopedia.ac.id/w/index.php?title=Crime_in_Washington%2C_D.C.&type=revision&diff=777841908&oldid=775622845

If I revert my change on that are asking me to put back "2017" numbers someone put in made up out of whole cloth? What I did was remove the 2017 numbers that were on the page when I came to it yesterday, and returned the legitimate Official FBI preliminary 2016 data other editors had used from the latest report officially published by the FBI recently, instead of the 400 homicides (insanely wrong as either gross and per 100k rate).

If I revert my change it would go to fake 2017 numbers. Please look at the version of the page immediately before I edited it.

I suggest is using the legitimate data from the preliminary report from the FBI which the FBI released recently.. as a compromise we asterix it as "preliminary." I found many many cases on Wikipedia were this preliminary data is used. It is authoritative and official, it is simply not final:

https://teknopedia.ac.id/wiki/Crime_in_New_York_City#Murders_by_year

https://teknopedia.ac.id/wiki/Crime_in_Chicago

Scholars, Wikipedia, and the DOJ BJS are already using the preliminary UCR.

I think we can agree using the published preliminary report is much more accurate than using prior years as is the case on most of the regularly maintained Wikipedia pages

Homicide Graph: This is why I did not change your graph, I asked a question. I asked because in the case of DC Homicide, the Official FBI Spring Preliminary UCR and Official Fall Final UCR for the prior year virtually never change, and in the rare cases they do they go down by a tiny amount. Looking at past ten years I see 7 unchanged, and three with statistically tiny changes -- all reductions in final gross by one or two murders or in the case of one year (correctly reported on FBI but still erroneously reported on disaster center source) an increase in population in the final resulting in a tiny (0.003) decrease in rate.

Why? DC is not a state with multiple towns, cities, and county reporting that has to be collated and checked for missing or duplicated reporting. With DC the data comes from a single agency. It is a much smaller case of variation from changes in classification and unfounded cases with the variation from prelim UCR to final averaging about 1/3 of a murder the last ten years. Ie a range of about 1/4 of 1% for the total ten year preliminary vs 10 year final.

So I think the published FBI preliminary report number is valid if noted/asterixed as "preliminary." it is certainly better than the chart being off by 17% at the end point as it clearly is in serious error now, even if the 17% might change to 16.75% to 17.25% in the final. Explainador (talk) 16:09, 16 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that the preliminary data is preferable to the erroneous '2017' data. As far as the UCR, at least for the nationwide numbers, the preliminary numbers have diverged substantially at times; I believe in 2013 the preliminary nationwide homicide rate was 4.2/100k, but the final data was 4.5/100k - but I don't have the numbers at hand, only going by recollection. That said - yes - go with preliminary data indicated as such, that is a great compromise. Thanks. Anastrophe (talk) 17:32, 16 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

An article that you have been involved in editing—Steak burger—has been proposed for merging with another article. If you are interested, please follow the (Discuss) link at the top of the article to participate in the merger discussion. Thank you. Macrakis (talk) 16:00, 26 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]