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Responding to valid, but stale question

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-->Do you even remember your question at Talk:Sergei Witte#Contradiction...?

Witte was transferred to the relatively powerless position of Chairman of the Committee of Ministers in 1903, a position he held until 1905.
Witte was brought back into the governmental decision-making process to help deal with the civil unrest following the war and Bloody Sunday. He was appointed Chairman of the Council of Ministers, the equivalent of Prime Minister, in 1905.

How can he be in the powerless position of chairman till 1905 then be appointed to the same job as a reward? These lines contradict; was he something else from 1903 to 1905? - Grible (talk) 19:06, 23 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Witte was promoted to his position as Finance Minister (Russia) by Alexander III; but when Nicholas II ascended the throne, the newly enthroned tsar was less comfortable with his father's minister, Witte. In 1903, Witte was "promoted" into an new role with a hollow title and no real power; and there he languished until the tsar couldn't think of anything else to do as unanticipated problems accumulated. The tsar recalled Witte to mitigate the consequences of those three fallow years. In retrospect, we can appreciate what the results of the tsar's blunder would ultimately produce.

As I see it, the problem here is simply that our Wikipedia text wasn't as well written as Harcave's account. There is also some degree of understandable confusion because the two positions -- Committee of Ministers (Russia) vs. Council of Ministers (Russia) -- appear to be a little too much alike, almost as if one or the other were a mistake. -- see Harcave, Sidney. (2004). Count Sergei Witte and the Twilight of Imperial Russia: A Biography, p. xiii-xiv.

You can simply click on the link to Harcave's introduction to his biography of Witte; all will be made clear -- easy. --Tenmei (talk) 20:23, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

First Balkan War: Fine work, both times, thanks. --Factuarius (talk) 13:49, 31 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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