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Hmmm, no, I had not seen that ANI discussion, I'll take a look at it. Thanks.

Well, there's a couple of things. First of all, it's a contentious subject, and a number of editors have pretty established positions. So there is a lot of heat. It's not just me, I would say. I think on contentious subject like this, editors should expect it might get a little heated. That's life in the Agora if you're going to take a contentious position. You don't seem me complaining, at least not an ANI or whatever. We're big boys here.

It's a political fight, I would say, or an ideological or philosophical issue if you prefer. I don't really think that a lot of editors are really so much offended as looking for ways to win the political fight, or at least get rid of a political opponent. That's OK, that is human nature, and if they can make the charges stick, hey: he shoots, he scores.

It's kind of like what, according to some people anyway, is happening to Julian Assange. I lot of powerful people would like to see him put away, but they can't get him, so they're using an incident that, if he was just an average schmoe, would probably be ignored or maybe settled with a quick plea-to-a-lesser-charge and probation, or something. Same thing with John Sinclair in my day. Abbie Hoffman.

On the other hand, as a practical matter, Assange should have probably been more careful if he was going to piss off so many people, and I should be more careful too. So I will try harder. However, you said trying harder wouldn't be enough to satisfy you, so what would you suggest?

Yes, I have used various noticeboards and other things such as RfC's. I've offered mediation a few times, and have been consistently refused. The Wikipedia dispute resolution system is set up on the assumption that, at the end of the day, everyone is trying to get the articles to be the best, so it's based on voluntary cooperation and the assumption that everyone - or at least most editors - will be fairminded, when it comes to things like vetting references and so forth. It kind of breaks down in this kind of situation, so we are more on our own.

By they way, are you Russian? Your English is really good. I've translated a number of articles in from the Russian Wikipedia, you know. Herostratus (talk) 17:21, 19 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Well, you make an excellent point. Yes the ammunition point is a good point, as I said above. Not too concerned on focusing on other's misdeeds, except on an ad-hoc as-needed basis or to defend myself against charges. I hate litigation.

Yes I will try to adopt the "Ralph Nader" standard. Nader, like Assange, pissed off some powerful people (in this case, General Motors, which is not a government but was at the time (1960's) the world's largest corporation) with his assertion that that General Motors had deliberately made unsafe cars. Well, GM put private detectives on his tail and combed through every detail of his life. And they found nothing. He's Ralph Nader; he'd never even returned a library book late, smoked a cigarette, said "gosh darn it", etc. let alone anything worse. So is that acceptable? I will try to apply the Nader Standard to my actions in future. OK?

I wouldn't go so far as to say "control oneself" or compare my situation to someone with an uncontrollable neuropsychiatric disorder. I don't see myself ranting like a madman or anything like that. Willing to stand corrected, quotes would help.

Yes, Cyrillic. The familiar, but skewed. You're not alone, Faux Cyrillic is an amusing article. Herostratus (talk) 22:23, 20 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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And thank you, again, for finding and correcting a blunder of mine. --JN466 16:19, 20 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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