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Categories for discussion (CfD) is the central venue for discussing specific proposals to delete, merge, rename or split categories and stub types in accordance with the guidelines for categorization, category naming and stub articles.
For detailed instructions about using CfD, see "How to use CfD" below. Briefly, nominations are handled through one of two processes:
- Speedy renaming and merging, for uncontroversial proposals that meet specified criteria—see "Speedy renaming and merging" below.
- Full discussion, for all other proposals. Discussions typically remain open for at least seven days and are closed once a rough consensus has formed or no objections to the nomination are raised.
Except in uncontroversial cases such as reverting vandalism, do not amend or depopulate a category once it has been nominated at CfD as this hampers other editors' efforts to evaluate a category and participate in the discussion.
When a category is renamed or merged with another category, in limited circumstances it may be helpful to leave an instance of the {{Category redirect|...}} template on the category's former page. See "Redirecting categories" below for more information.
Wikipedia:Move review can be used to contest the outcome of a CfD request that is limited in scope to renaming, as long as all steps are followed. If a discussion on the request closer's talk page does not resolve an issue, then a move review will evaluate the close of a CfD move discussion to determine whether or not the close was reasonable and consistent with the spirit and intent of common practice, policies, and guidelines. CfDs involving deletion should be reviewed at Wikipedia:Deletion review.
Scope
CfD is intended only for specific proposals to delete, merge, rename or split categories or stub types. For general discussion about how to improve the category system, use other appropriate venues such as Wikipedia talk:Categorization, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Categories, and any relevant WikiProjects' talk pages.
Current discussions
Discussions awaiting closure
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 June 29 (21 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 June 28 (14 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 June 27 (2 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 June 26 (5 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 June 24 (3 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 June 23 (7 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 June 22 (2 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 June 11 (1 open)
See also the list of individual discussions awaiting closure here and the list of full open discussions awaiting closure here.
How to use CfD
Nomination procedure
Twinkle
You may use Twinkle to facilitate CfD nominations. To install Twinkle, go to Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets and check "Twinkle" in the "Browsing" section. Use the now-installed "XfD" (Start a deletion discussion) tab while viewing the page you want to nominate.
Twinkle only allows you to nominate a single category or stub template. For bundled nominations including multiple categories, see § MassCFD.
MassCFD
You can use the script User:Qwerfjkl/scripts/massCFD to automatically make mass nominations.
Manual nominations
I | Preliminary steps.
Before nominating a category:
In the following special cases:
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II | Edit the category.
Add one of the following templates at the beginning of the category page (not the talk page) of every category to be discussed. For nominations involving large numbers of categories, help adding these templates can be requested here.
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III | Create the CFD section.
Click THIS LINK to edit the section of CfD for today's entries. Follow the instructions (visible in edit mode) to copy and paste one of the templates below. When inserting category names into these template's parameters, except the
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Stub types
I | Preliminary steps.
In general, a stub type consists of a stub template and a dedicated stub category. Before nominating a stub type for deletion, merging or renaming:
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II | Edit the template.
Add one of the following tags at the beginning of the template to be discussed.
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III | Create the CFD section.
Click THIS LINK to edit the section of CfD for today's entries. Follow the instructions (visible in edit mode) and paste the following text (remember to update the default parameters):
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Notifying interested projects and editors
In addition to the steps listed above, you may choose to invite participation by editors who are likely to be informed about a nominated category. All such efforts must comply with Wikipedia's guideline against biased canvassing. In addition, to help make your messages about the CfD discussion clear, avoid Wikipedia-specific abbreviations, link to relevant policies or guidelines, and link to the discussion itself.
- Notifying related WikiProjects
WikiProjects consist of groups of editors who are interested in a particular subject. If a nominated category is within the scope of one or more WikiProjects, consider adding a brief, neutral note on their talk page(s) about the nomination. You may use {{subst:cfd notice|Category name|2024 July 7|CfD section name}} ~~~~
or write a personalized message.
Tagging the nominated category's talk page with a relevant WikiProject's banner will include the category in that WikiProject's Article Alerts if they subscribe to the system. For instance, tagging a nominated category with {{WikiProject Physics}} will add the discussion to Wikipedia:WikiProject Physics/Article alerts.
- Notifying substantial contributors to the category
While not required, it is generally considered courteous to notify the good-faith creator and main contributors of the category that you are nominating for discussion. To find the creator and main contributors, check the category's page history or talk page. You may use {{Cfd notice}}
to inform the category's creator and all other editors.
- Notifying other interested editors
It may be helpful to invite other subject-matter experts by posting a message on the talk page of the most closely related article, such as Protein family for Category:Protein families. You may use {{Cfdnotice}}
for this.
Closing procedure
After seven days, someone will close the discussion according to the consensus that formed or, if needed, relist it to allow more discussion. Editors closing discussions must follow the administrator instructions and, except in the case of a "keep" or "no consensus" outcome, implement the result or log it at the Working page to ensure it is implemented.
Redirecting categories
In general, an unpopulated category should be deleted (see speedy deletion criterion C1) because it is not useful for navigation and sorting. In limited circumstances, and because categories cannot be redirected using "hard" redirects (i.e. #REDIRECT[[''target'']]
), we use a form of "soft redirect" to solve the issue. You can create a category redirect by adding {{Category redirect|target}}
to the category page. Bots patrol these categories and move articles into the "redirect" targets.
In particular, category redirects are used at the former category name when we convert hyphens into en dashes (e.g. Category:Canada-Russia relations → Category:Canada–Russia relations). It is also helpful to set up category redirects from titles with plain letters (i.e. characters on a standard keyboard) where the category names include diacritics.
A list of redirected categories is available at Category:Wikipedia soft redirected categories.
Speedy renaming and merging
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Speedy renaming or speedy merging of categories may be requested only if they meet a speedy criterion, for example WP:C2D (consistency with main article's name) or WP:C2C (consistency with established category tree names). Please see instructions below.
- Determine which speedy criterion applies
- Tag category page with
{{subst:cfr-speedy|New name}}
or{{subst:cfm-speedy|Merge target}}
- List request along with speedy criteria reason under "Current requests" below on this page
Please note that a speedy request must state which of the narrowly defined criteria strictly applies. Hence, any other non-speedy criteria, even "common sense" or "obvious", may be suitable points, but only at a full discussion at WP:Categories for discussion.
Request may take 48 hours to process after listing if there are no objections. This delay allows other users to review the request to ensure that it meets the speedy criteria for speedy renaming or merging, and to raise objections to the proposed change.
Categories that qualify for speedy deletion (per Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion, e.g., "patent nonsense", "recreation") can be tagged with the regular speedy tags, such as {{db|reason}}
with no required delay. Empty categories can be deleted if they remain empty 7 days after tagging with {{db-empty}}. Renaming under C2E may also be processed instantly (at the discretion of an administrator) as it is a variation on G7.
To oppose a speedy request you must record your objection within 48 hours of the nomination. Do this by inserting immediately under the nomination:
- Oppose, (the reasons for your objection). ~~~~
You will not be able to do this by editing the page WP:Categories for discussion. Instead, you should edit the section WP:Categories for discussion#Add requests for speedy renaming and merging here or the page WP:Categories for discussion/Speedy#Add requests for speedy renaming and merging here (WP:CFDS). Be aware that in the course of any discussion, the nomination and its discussion may get moved further down the page purely for organizational convenience – you may need to search WP:CFDS to find the new location. Participate in any ongoing discussion, but unless you withdraw your opposition, a knowledgeable person may eventually bring forward the nomination and discussion to become a regular CFD discussion. At that stage you may add further comments, but your initial opposition will still be considered. However, if after seven days there has been no support for the request, and no response from the nominator, the request may be dropped from further consideration as a speedy.
Contested speedy requests become stale, and can be untagged and delisted after 7 days of inactivity. Optionally, if the discussion may be useful for future reference, it may be copied to the category talk page, with a section heading and {{moved discussion from|[[WP:CFDS]]|2=~~~~}}
. If the nominator wants to revive the process, this may be requested at WP:Categories for discussion (CfD) in accordance with its instructions.
If you belatedly notice and want to oppose a speedy move that has already been processed, contact one of the admins who process the Speedy page. If your objection seems valid, they may reverse the move, or start a full CFD discussion.
Speedy criteria
The category-specific criteria for speedy renaming, or merging are strictly limited to:
C2A: Typographic and spelling fixes
- Correction of spelling errors and capitalization fixes. Differences between British and American spelling (e.g. Harbours → Harbors) are not considered errors; however if the convention of the relevant category tree is to use one form over the other then a rename may be appropriate under C2C. If both spellings exist as otherwise-identical category names, they should be merged.
- Appropriate conversion of hyphens into en dashes or vice versa (e.g. Category:Canada-Russia relations → Category:Canada–Russia relations).
- Correction of obvious grammatical errors, such as a missing conjunction (e.g. Individual frogs toads → Individual frogs and toads). This includes pluralizing a noun in the name of a set category, but not when disagreement might reasonably be anticipated as to whether the category is a topic or set category.
C2B: Consistency with established Wikipedia naming conventions and practices
- Expanding abbreviated country names (e.g. U.S. → United States).
- Disambiguation fixes from an unqualified name (e.g. Category:Washington → Category:Washington (state) or Category:Washington, D.C.).
C2C: Consistency with established category tree names
Bringing a category into line with established naming conventions for that category tree, or into line with the various "x by y", "x of y", or "x in y" categorization conventions specified at Wikipedia:Category names
- This should be used only where there is no room for doubt that the category in question is being used for the standard purpose instead of being a potential subcategory.
- This criterion should be applied only when there is no ambiguity or doubt over the existence of a category naming convention. Such a convention must be well defined and must be overwhelmingly used within the tree. If this is not the case then the category in question must be brought forward to a full Cfd nomination.
- This criterion will not apply in cases where the category tree observes distinctions in local usage (e.g. Category:Transportation in the United States and Category:Transport in the United Kingdom).
C2D: Consistency with main article's name
- Renaming a topic category to match its eponymous page (e.g. Category:The Beatles and The Beatles).
- This applies only if the related page's current name (and by extension, the proposed name for the category) is:
- unambiguous (so it generally does not apply to proposals to remove a disambiguator from the category name, even when the main article is the primary topic of its name, i.e. it does not contain a disambiguator); and
- uncontroversial, either because of longstanding stability at that particular name, or because the page was just moved (i) after a page move discussion resulted in explicit consensus to rename, or (ii) unilaterally to reflect an official renaming which is verified by one or more citations (provided in the nomination). C2D does not apply if the result would be contrary to guidelines at WP:CATNAME, or there is any ongoing discussion about the name of the page or category, or there has been a recent discussion concerning any of the pages that resulted in a no consensus result, or it is controversial in some other way.
- This criterion may also be used to rename a set category in the same circumstances, where the set is defined by a renamed topic; e.g. players for a sports team, or places in a district.
- Before nominating a category to be renamed per WP:C2D, consider whether it makes more sense to move the article instead of the category.
C2E: Author request
- This criterion applies only if the author of a category requests or agrees to renaming within six months of creating the category.
- The criterion does not apply if other editors have populated or changed the category since it was created. "Other editors" includes bots that populated the category, but excludes an editor working with the author on the renaming.
C2F: One eponymous page
- This criterion applies if the category contains only an eponymous article, list, template or media file, provided that the category has not otherwise been emptied shortly before the nomination. The default outcome is an upmerge to the parent categories, where applicable. Nominations should use
{{subst:cfm-speedy}}
(speedy merger) linking to a suitable parent category, or to another appropriate category (e.g. one that is currently on the article).
Admin instructions
When handling the listings:
- Make sure that the listing meets one of the above criteria.
- With the exception of C2E, make sure that it was both listed and tagged at least 48 hours previously.
- Make sure that there is no opposition to the listing; if there is a discussion, check if the opposing user(s) ended up withdrawing their opposition.
If the listing meets these criteria, simply have the category renamed or merged – follow the instructions at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Administrator instructions, in the section "If the decision is to Rename, Merge, or Delete"; to list it for the bots, use the Speedy moves section.
Applying speedy criteria in full discussions
- A nomination to merge or rename, brought forward as a full CfD, may be speedily closed if the closing administrator is satisfied that:
- The nomination clearly falls within the scope of one of the criteria listed here, and
- No objections have been made within 48 hours of the initial nomination.
- If both these conditions are satisfied, the closure will be regarded as having been a result of a speedy nomination. If any objections have been raised then the CfD nomination will remain in place for the usual 7-day discussion period, to be decided in accordance with expressed consensus.
Add requests for speedy renaming and merging here
If the category and desired change do not match one of the criteria mentioned in C2, do not list it here. Instead, list it in the main CFD section.
If you are in any doubt as to whether it qualifies, do not list it here.
Use the following format on a new line at the beginning of the list:
* [[:Category:old name]] to [[:Category:new name]] – Reason ~~~~
If the current name should be redirected rather than deleted, use:
* REDIRECT [[:Category:old name]] to [[:Category:new name]] – Reason ~~~~
To note that human action is required, e.g. updating a template that populates the category, use:
* NO BOTS [[:Category:old name]] to [[:Category:new name]] – Reason ~~~~
Remember to tag the category page with: {{subst:cfr-speedy|New name}}
A request may be completed if it is more than 48 hours old; that is, if the time stamp shown is earlier than 00:10, 5 July 2024 (UTC). Currently, there are 77 open requests (. )
Administrators and page movers: Do not use the "Move" tab to move categories listed here!Categories are processed following the 48-hour waiting period and are moved by a bot. |
Current requests
Please add new requests at the top of the list, preferably with a link to the parent category (in case of C2C) or relevant article (in case of C2D).
- REDIRECT Category:Naturalised citizens of the Soviet Union to Category:Naturalized citizens of the Soviet Union – C2A, change s to z spelling, like Category:Organizations based in the Soviet Union – Fayenatic London 15:55, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:British Virgin Islands Queen's Counsel to Category:British Virgin Islands King's Counsel – C2C: main category is Category:King's Counsel Omnis Scientia (talk) 14:30, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Bermudian Queen's Counsel to Category:Bermudian King's Counsel – C2C: main category is Category:King's Counsel Omnis Scientia (talk) 14:30, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Bahamian Queen's Counsel to Category:Bahamian King's Counsel – C2C: main category is Category:King's Counsel Omnis Scientia (talk) 14:29, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Saint Kitts and Nevis Queen's Counsel to Category:Saint Kitts and Nevis King's Counsel – C2C: main category is Category:King's Counsel Omnis Scientia (talk) 14:28, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Jamaican Queen's Counsel to Category:Jamaican King's Counsel – C2C: main category is Category:King's Counsel Omnis Scientia (talk) 14:25, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Gibraltarian Queen's Counsel to Category:Gibraltarian King's Counsel – C2C: main category is Category:King's Counsel Omnis Scientia (talk) 14:23, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Kashmiri Philosphers to Category:Kashmiri philosphers – C2A: Incorrect capitalization. Gotitbro (talk) 08:59, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:Battery (electricity) to Category:Electric battery - WP:C2D per Electric battery - RevelationDirect (talk) 03:19, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:MKS Cracovia players to Category:KS Cracovia players – WP:C2D as per KS Cracovia - consistency with a recent main article move. KibolLP (talk) 14:24, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:MKS Cracovia managers to Category:KS Cracovia managers – WP:C2D as per KS Cracovia - consistency with a recent main article move. KibolLP (talk) 14:24, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:MKS Cracovia seasons to Category:KS Cracovia seasons – WP:C2D as per KS Cracovia - consistency with a recent main article name move. KibolLP (talk) 14:24, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Skipping rhymes to Category:Skipping-rope rhymes - WP:C2D per Skipping-rope rhyme - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:24, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Buildings and monuments honoring American presidents to Category:Monuments and memorials to American presidents – WP:C2C per the parent category (Category:Monuments and memorials by commemoration), the sibling category (Category:Monuments and memorials by person), and subcats (Category:Monuments and memorials to George Washington). - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:24, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Buildings and monuments honoring American presidents in Poland to Category:Monuments and memorials to American Presidents in Poland
- Category:Buildings and monuments honouring American presidents in the United Kingdom to Category:Monuments and memorials to American Presidents in the United Kingdom
- Category:Buildings and monuments honoring American presidents in the United States to Category:Monuments and memorials to American Presidents in the United States
- Oppose. I approve of moving "Buildings and monuments hono(u)ring [Foo]" to "Monuments and memorials to [Foo]", but: (1) "Presidents" should have a lower-case "p", as the existing titles already have; (2) "presidents of the United States" would be more consistent with other categories than "American presidents"; (3) to avoid repetition of "United States" (i.e. "Monuments and memorials to presidents of the United States in the United States"), Category:Buildings and monuments honoring American presidents in the United States could become Category:Presidential memorials in the United States, which would match the article title Presidential memorials in the United States. Ham II (talk) 09:13, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Ham II: I agree with all of your suggestions! Does it make sense to relist these here or go to a full CFD? - RevelationDirect (talk) 21:58, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Civil servants of Albania to Category:Albanian civil servants – C2C: norm is Fooian civil servants, see Civil servants by nationality Mason (talk) 23:53, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:LGBT men artists to Category:LGBT male artists – C2B: Norm is "Male artists" Mason (talk) 19:52, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Smasongarrison: the norm is also Category:LGBT men not the least because of transgender men. I guess this should go to full discussion with a notification at the LGBT WikiProject talk page. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:32, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- Please look at the siblings for other LGBT fooian male occupations. There's no other example of Fooian men occupations. Mason (talk) 12:33, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support as the cat creator. --MikutoH talk! 16:19, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Smasongarrison: the norm is also Category:LGBT men not the least because of transgender men. I guess this should go to full discussion with a notification at the LGBT WikiProject talk page. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:32, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Sacked Hindu temples in the Muslim period in the Indian subcontinent to Category:Hindu temples destroyed in the Muslim period in the Indian subcontinent – C2C. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 03:18, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- @LaundryPizza03: oppose, "sacked" was suggested in full CfD for a good reason, namely that in many cases the damage has been repaired ages ago, so "destroyed" is not applicable. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:39, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Scientists by region in France to Category:Scientists from France by region – C2E. Thedarkknightli (talk) 22:43, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Models by region in France to Category:Models from France by region – C2E. Thedarkknightli (talk) 22:40, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Filmmakers by region in France to Category:Filmmakers from France by region – C2E. Thedarkknightli (talk) 22:37, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Businesspeople by region in France to Category:Businesspeople from France by region – C2E. Thedarkknightli (talk) 22:32, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Activists by region in France to Category:Activists from France by region – C2E. Thedarkknightli (talk) 22:27, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Entertainers by region in France to Category:Entertainers from France by region – C2E. Thedarkknightli (talk) 22:01, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Comedians by region in France to Category:Comedians from France by region – C2E. Thedarkknightli (talk) 22:08, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Dancers by region in France to Category:Dancers from France by region – C2E. Thedarkknightli (talk) 22:12, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Television personalities by region in France to Category:Television personalities from France by region – C2E. Thedarkknightli (talk) 22:16, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Musicians by region in France to Category:Musicians from France by region – C2E. Thedarkknightli (talk) 23:39, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Thedarkknightli: while we are it now, "in France" should also be changed to "French", C2C per Category:French people by occupation, Category:French musicians etc. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:36, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- I second Marco's suggestion, @Thedarkknightli. A lot of categories like this have been changed to "Foo people by region". Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:43, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
Opposed requests
- Category:The Bronx High School of Science alumni to Category:Bronx High School of Science alumni – C2D FieldMarine (talk) 11:24, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: on second thought, perhaps this should go to CfD. Although the main article is Bronx High School of Science, perhaps it should be The Bronx High School of Science per WP:THE, which matches the way this category is currently named. It appears "The" is part of the name. In any case, either the cat name should change or the article name should change so they match. Semper Fi! FieldMarine (talk) 00:49, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- The article should be restored to its original title before it was moved without discussion. The school's name is officially with the "The". Gonnym (talk) 08:13, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: on second thought, perhaps this should go to CfD. Although the main article is Bronx High School of Science, perhaps it should be The Bronx High School of Science per WP:THE, which matches the way this category is currently named. It appears "The" is part of the name. In any case, either the cat name should change or the article name should change so they match. Semper Fi! FieldMarine (talk) 00:49, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Piracy in Somalia to Category:Piracy off the coast of Somalia – C2D: main article Piracy off the coast of Somalia. Piracy in Somalia redirects there. NLeeuw (talk) 11:33, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose; this matches sister categories in Category:Piracy by country. Omnis Scientia (talk) 13:18, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- Is that an issue? I don't really mind either way. NLeeuw (talk) 20:28, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose; this matches sister categories in Category:Piracy by country. Omnis Scientia (talk) 13:18, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
On hold pending other discussion
- Category:1924 establishments in Mozambique to Category:1924 establishments in Portuguese Mozambique – C2C with Category:1920s in Portuguese Mozambique, following parameter change by Marcocapelle.[1] The member pages are in Beira, Maputo and Nampula which were all under Portuguese control at the time. – Fayenatic London 12:33, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:1924 in Mozambique to Category:1924 in Portuguese Mozambique
- Support, just adding this because I was pinged. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:34, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:1924 in Mozambique to Category:1924 in Portuguese Mozambique
Moved to full discussion
- Category:Family of Boris Johnson to Category:Boris Johnson family – C2B. Omnis Scientia (talk) 20:05, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- It has been recently moved via speedy, may be we should go for a full discussion.--Ymblanter (talk) 20:07, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Ymblanter, oh I did that, incorrectly thinking it was an error or the wrong. But in fact the previous version was the correct form so was just undoing it. Omnis Scientia (talk) 20:53, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Moved to full discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:42, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- It has been recently moved via speedy, may be we should go for a full discussion.--Ymblanter (talk) 20:07, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:British place-names containing Brittonic */kɛːt/ to Category:British place-names containing Brittonic */kɛːd/ – C2E: Author request, C2A: Typographic and spelling fixes Alarichall (talk) 00:22, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:NONDEF, see full discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:29, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Princesses of Montenegro to Category:Montenegrin princesses – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 22:14, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Princes of Montenegro to Category:Montenegrin princes – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 22:13, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Princesses of the Netherlands to Category:Dutch princesses – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 22:12, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Princesses of Serbia to Category:Serbian princesses – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 22:11, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Princesses of Poland to Category:Polish princesses – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 22:11, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Princesses of Luxembourg to Category:Luxembourgian princesses – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 22:10, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Princesses of Liechtenstein to Category:Liechtenstein princesses – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 21:41, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Princesses of Greece to Category:Greek princesses – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 21:41, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Princesses of Denmark to Category:Danish princesses – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 21:40, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Princesses of Belgium to Category:Belgian princesses – C2A. Omnis Scientia (talk) 21:40, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Princesses in Italy to Category:Italian princesses – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 21:39, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Princesses of Sweden to Category:Swedish princesses – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 21:39, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Princesses of Iraq to Category:Iraqi princesses – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 21:39, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Princes of Afghanistan to Category:Afghan princes – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 21:37, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Princes of Saudi Arabia to Category:Saudi Arabian princes – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 21:37, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Princesses in Germany to Category:German princesses – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 20:16, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Princes of the Netherlands to Category:Dutch princes – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 20:15, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Princes of Luxembourg to Category:Luxembourgian princes – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 20:14, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Princes of Jordan to Category:Jordanian princes – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 20:12, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Princes of Iraq to Category:Iraqi princes – C2C: to match sister categories in Category:Princes by country. Omnis Scientia (talk) 20:11, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Princes in Italy to Category:Italian princes – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 20:10, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Princes of Hawaii to Category:Hawaiian princes – C2C: to match sister categories in Category:Princes by country. Omnis Scientia (talk) 20:09, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Princes of Greece to Category:Greek princes – C2C: to match sister categories in Category:Princes by country. Omnis Scientia (talk) 20:05, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Princes in Germany to Category:German princes – C2C: to match sister categories in Category:Princes by country. Omnis Scientia (talk) 19:59, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Princes of Denmark to Category:Danish princes – C2C: to match sister categories in Category:Princes by country. Omnis Scientia (talk) 19:58, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Princes of Albania to Category:Albanian princes – C2C: to match sister categories in Category:Princes by country. Omnis Scientia (talk) 19:56, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Omnis Scientia: shouldn't the standard be the other way around? These seem to be about princes and princesses of a country indeed, in contrast to "barons of" categories which you nominated at full CfD. Marcocapelle (talk) 02:34, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle, I'm not fully sure. The naming is uneven in all these categories. But for princes and princesses, I would say "Fooian princes" is the better form since there are also sovereign princes such as the Prince of Monaco and many more throughout history. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:41, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- Also, I didn't move this one to full Cfd since majority were already "Fooian princes(ses)" so C2C applied here. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:51, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- The usage of "prince" in Prince of Monaco is quite exceptional, in contrast to the usage of the word "prince" as "male member of the family of the monarch". In both cases they are princes of a country though. What otherwise would they be a prince of. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:23, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle, would you be is favor of taking it to full Cfd? Omnis Scientia (talk) 18:01, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Omnis Scientia: yes, but I will only support a reverse rename. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:08, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- Either way is fine by me but I'll move it to full and then we can speedy the rest. Omnis Scientia (talk) 22:20, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Omnis Scientia: yes, but I will only support a reverse rename. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:08, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle, would you be is favor of taking it to full Cfd? Omnis Scientia (talk) 18:01, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- The usage of "prince" in Prince of Monaco is quite exceptional, in contrast to the usage of the word "prince" as "male member of the family of the monarch". In both cases they are princes of a country though. What otherwise would they be a prince of. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:23, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- Also, I didn't move this one to full Cfd since majority were already "Fooian princes(ses)" so C2C applied here. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:51, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle, I'm not fully sure. The naming is uneven in all these categories. But for princes and princesses, I would say "Fooian princes" is the better form since there are also sovereign princes such as the Prince of Monaco and many more throughout history. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:41, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- Moved to full Cfd. Omnis Scientia (talk) 22:28, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Omnis Scientia: shouldn't the standard be the other way around? These seem to be about princes and princesses of a country indeed, in contrast to "barons of" categories which you nominated at full CfD. Marcocapelle (talk) 02:34, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose all of them. Nationality =/= Country. First, a prince of Bohemia, of Austria, or of Bavaria were all considered to be German princes (during the HRE), while it would be difficult to argue that the prince of Bohemia, or of Austria are princes in Germany. Second, one could have been a princess in Denmark, or of the Netherlands, while being of French or of German nationality. I'm pretty much sure that searching a little bit, many of those cases would arise.SFBB (talk) 23:24, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
- See for instance Category:Princesses of Orange that you would categorize as Dutch princess...it simply does not work. SFBB (talk) 23:26, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
- @SFBB: the discussion has been moved to full Cfd where there is an option A and B. Feel free to contribute there. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:24, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- See for instance Category:Princesses of Orange that you would categorize as Dutch princess...it simply does not work. SFBB (talk) 23:26, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
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