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Redirects for discussion (RfD) is the place where potentially problematic redirects are discussed. Items usually stay listed for a week or so, after which they are deleted, kept, or retargeted.
- If you want to replace an unprotected redirect with an article, do not list it here. Turning redirects into articles is wholly encouraged. Be bold!
- If you want to move a page but a redirect is in the way, do not list it here. For non-controversial cases, place a technical request; if a discussion is required, then start a requested move.
- If you think a redirect points to the wrong target article, this is a good place to discuss the proper target.
- Redirects should not be deleted just because they have no incoming links. Please do not use this as the only reason to delete a redirect. However, redirects that do have incoming links are sometimes deleted, so that is not a sufficient condition for keeping. (See § When should a redirect be deleted? for more information.)
Please do not unilaterally rename or change the target of a redirect while it is under discussion. This adds unnecessary complication to the discussion for participants and closers.
Before listing a redirect for discussion
Please be aware of these general policies, which apply here as elsewhere:
- Wikipedia:Redirect – what redirects are, why they exist, and how they are used.
- Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion – which pages can be deleted without discussion; in particular the "General" and "Redirects" sections.
- Wikipedia:Deletion policy – how we delete things by consensus.
- Wikipedia:Guide to deletion – guidelines on discussion format and shorthand.
The guiding principles of RfD
- The purpose of a good redirect is to eliminate the possibility that readers will find themselves staring blankly at "Search results 1–10 out of 378" instead of the article they were looking for. If someone could plausibly enter the redirect's name when searching for the target article, it's a good redirect.
- Redirects are cheap. They take up little storage space and use very little bandwidth. It doesn't really hurt things if there are a few of them scattered around. On the flip side, deleting redirects is also cheap because recording the deletion takes up little storage space and uses very little bandwidth. There is no harm in deleting problematic redirects.
- If a good-faith RfD nomination proposes to delete a redirect and has no discussion after at least 7 days, the default result is delete.
- Redirects nominated in contravention of Wikipedia:Redirect will be speedily kept.
- RfD can also serve as a central discussion forum for debates about which page a redirect should target. In cases where retargeting the redirect could be considered controversial, it is advisable to leave a notice on the talk page of the redirect's current target page or the proposed target page to refer readers to the redirect's nomination to allow input and help form consensus for the redirect's target.
- Requests for deletion of redirects from one page's talk page to another's do not need to be listed here. Anyone can remove the redirect by blanking the page. The G6 criterion for speedy deletion may be appropriate.
- In discussions, always ask yourself whether or not a redirect would be helpful to the reader.
When should a redirect be deleted?
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The major reasons why deletion of redirects is harmful are:
- a redirect may contain non-trivial edit history;
- if a redirect is reasonably old (or is the result of moving a page that has been there for quite some time), then it is possible that its deletion will break incoming links (such links coming from older revisions of Wikipedia pages, from edit summaries, from other Wikimedia projects or from elsewhere on the internet, do not show up in "What links here").
Therefore consider the deletion only of either harmful redirects or of recent ones.
Reasons for deleting
You might want to delete a redirect if one or more of the following conditions is met (but note also the exceptions listed below this list):
- The redirect page makes it unreasonably difficult for users to locate similarly named articles via the search engine. For example, if the user searches for "New Articles", and is redirected to a disambiguation page for "Articles" (itself a redirect to "Article"), it would take much longer to get to the newly added articles on Wikipedia.
- The redirect might cause confusion. For example, if "Adam B. Smith" was redirected to "Andrew B. Smith", because Andrew was accidentally called Adam in one source, this could cause confusion with the article on Adam Smith, so the redirect should be deleted.
- The redirect is offensive or abusive, such as redirecting "Joe Bloggs is a Loser" to "Joe Bloggs" (unless "Joe Bloggs is a Loser" is legitimately discussed in the article), or "Joe Bloggs" to "Loser". (Speedy deletion criterion G10 and G3 may apply.) See also § Neutrality of redirects.
- The redirect constitutes self-promotion or spam. (Speedy deletion criterion G11 may apply.)
- The redirect makes no sense, such as redirecting "Apple" to "Orange". (Speedy deletion criterion G1 may apply.)
- It is a cross-namespace redirect out of article space, such as one pointing into the User or Wikipedia namespace. The major exception to this rule are the pseudo-namespace shortcut redirects, which technically are in the main article space. Some long-standing cross-namespace redirects are also kept because of their long-standing history and potential usefulness. "MOS:" redirects, for example, were an exception to this rule until they became their own namespace in 2024. (Note also the existence of namespace aliases such as WP:. Speedy deletion criterion R2 may apply if the target namespace is something other than Category:, Template:, Wikipedia:, Help:, or Portal:.)
- If the redirect is broken, meaning it redirects to an article that does not exist, it can be immediately deleted under speedy deletion criterion G8. You should check that there is not an alternative place it could be appropriately redirected to first and that it has not become broken through vandalism.
- If the redirect is a novel or very obscure synonym for an article name that is not mentioned in the target, it is unlikely to be useful. In particular, redirects in a language other than English to a page whose subject is unrelated to that language (or a culture that speaks that language) should generally not be created. (Implausible typos or misnomers are candidates for speedy deletion criterion R3, if recently created.)
- If the target article needs to be moved to the redirect title, but the redirect has been edited before and has a history of its own, then the title needs to be freed up to make way for the move. If the move is uncontroversial, tag the redirect for G6 speedy deletion, or alternatively (with the
suppressredirect
user right; available to page movers and admins), perform a round-robin move. If not, take the article to Requested moves. - If the redirect could plausibly be expanded into an article, and the target article contains virtually no information on the subject.
- If the redirect ends in "(disambiguation)" but does not target a disambiguation page or a page performing a disambiguation-like function (such as a set index of articles). Speedy deletion criterion G14 may apply.
Reasons for not deleting
However, avoid deleting such redirects if:
- They have a potentially useful page history, or an edit history that should be kept to comply with the licensing requirements for a merge (see Wikipedia:Merge and delete). On the other hand, if the redirect was created by renaming a page with that name, and the page history just mentions the renaming, and for one of the reasons above you want to delete the page, copy the page history to the Talk page of the article it redirects to. The act of renaming is useful page history, and even more so if there has been discussion on the page name.
- They would aid accidental linking and make the creation of duplicate articles less likely, whether by redirecting a plural to a singular, by redirecting a frequent misspelling to a correct spelling, by redirecting a misnomer to a correct term, by redirecting to a synonym, etc. In other words, redirects with no incoming links are not candidates for deletion on those grounds because they are of benefit to the browsing user. Some extra vigilance by editors will be required to minimize the occurrence of those frequent misspellings in article text because the linkified misspellings will not appear as broken links; consider tagging the redirect with the {{R from misspelling}} template to assist editors in monitoring these misspellings.
- They aid searches on certain terms. For example, users who might see the "Keystone State" mentioned somewhere but do not know what that refers to will be able to find out at the Pennsylvania (target) article.
- Deleting redirects runs the risk of breaking incoming or internal links. For example, redirects resulting from page moves should not normally be deleted without good reason. Links that have existed for a significant length of time, including CamelCase links (e.g. WolVes) and old subpage links, should be left alone in case there are any existing links on external pages pointing to them. Please tag these with {{R from old history}}. See also Wikipedia:Link rot § Link rot on non-Wikimedia sites.
- Someone finds them useful. Hint: If someone says they find a redirect useful, they probably do. You might not find it useful—this is not because the other person is being untruthful, but because you browse Wikipedia in different ways. Evidence of usage can be gauged by using the wikishark or pageviews tool on the redirect to see the number of views it gets.
- The redirect is to a closely related word form, such as a plural form to a singular form.
Neutrality of redirects
Just as article titles using non-neutral language are permitted in some circumstances, so are such redirects. Because redirects are less visible to readers, more latitude is allowed in their names, therefore perceived lack of neutrality in redirect names is not a sufficient reason for their deletion. In most cases, non-neutral but verifiable redirects should point to neutrally titled articles about the subject of the term. Non-neutral redirects may be tagged with {{R from non-neutral name}}
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Non-neutral redirects are commonly created for three reasons:
- Articles that are created using non-neutral titles are routinely moved to a new neutral title, which leaves behind the old non-neutral title as a working redirect (e.g. Climategate → Climatic Research Unit email controversy).
- Articles created as POV forks may be deleted and replaced by a redirect pointing towards the article from which the fork originated (e.g. Barack Obama Muslim rumor → deleted and now redirected to Barack Obama religion conspiracy theories).
- The subject matter of articles may be represented by some sources outside Wikipedia in non-neutral terms. Such terms are generally avoided in Wikipedia article titles, per the words to avoid guidelines and the general neutral point of view policy. For instance the non-neutral expression "Attorneygate" is used to redirect to the neutrally titled Dismissal of U.S. attorneys controversy. The article in question has never used that title, but the redirect was created to provide an alternative means of reaching it because a number of press reports use the term.
The exceptions to this rule would be redirects that are not established terms and are unlikely to be useful, and therefore may be nominated for deletion, perhaps under deletion reason #3. However, if a redirect represents an established term that is used in multiple mainstream reliable sources, it should be kept even if non-neutral, as it will facilitate searches on such terms. Please keep in mind that RfD is not the place to resolve most editorial disputes.
Closing notes
- Details at Administrator instructions for RfD
Nominations should remain open, per policy, about a week before they are closed, unless they meet the general criteria for speedy deletion, the criteria for speedy deletion of a redirect, or are not valid redirect discussion requests (e.g. are actually move requests).
How to list a redirect for discussion
STEP I. | Tag the redirect(s).
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STEP II. | List the entry on RfD.
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STEP III. | Notify users.
It is generally considered good practice to notify the creator and main contributors of the redirect(s) that you nominate. may be placed on the creator/main contributors' user talk page to provide notice of the discussion. Please replace RedirectName with the name of the respective creator/main contributors' redirect and use an edit summary such as: Notice of redirect discussion at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion]]
Notices about the RfD discussion may also be left on relevant talk pages. |
- Please consider using What links here to locate other redirects that may be related to the one you are nominating. After going to the redirect target page and selecting "What links here" in the toolbox on the left side of your computer screen, select both "Hide transclusions" and "Hide links" filters to display the redirects to the redirect target page.
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Current list
1957-58 Australia rugby union tour of the Britain Isles, Ireland and France
- 1957-58 Australia rugby union tour of the Britain Isles, Ireland and France → 1957–58 Australia rugby union tour of Britain, Ireland and France (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Delete. The error "Britain Isles" is implausible. This was created by a pagemove, but not a longstanding one — in 2009 someone moved 1957-58 Australia rugby union tour of Britain, Ireland and France to this title, and it was reverted just two days later. Nyttend (talk) 22:53, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
- Keep From a misspelling Servite et contribuere (talk) 02:10, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Obviously created in error but ineligible for speedy deletion due to the above keep recommendation. Thryduulf (talk) 17:12, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
- Keep, someone could accidentally and mindlessly type "Isles", it is not very implausible. Easternsahara (talk) 17:56, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. If someone were to add "Isles" mindlessly, it would be "British Isles". Jay 💬 02:14, 26 May 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Rusalkii (talk) 02:43, 26 May 2025 (UTC)
Judge Bridlegoose
- Judge Bridlegoose → Pantagruel (disambiguation) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Enwiki has no mention at all of "Judge Bridlegoose". The current target is not suitable, even if the current proposed deletion is declined. Delete. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 13:21, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
- Weak retarget to Gargantua and Pantagruel#The Third Book. Based on s:The Third Book, Bridlegoose is a character in the novel, so it may be helpful to the casual reader. Sdrqaz (talk) 04:36, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: The target has been deleted. Notified of this discussion at the suggested target.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 02:22, 26 May 2025 (UTC)
Criticism of Dunkin' Donuts
- Criticism of Dunkin' Donuts → Dunkin' Donuts#Criticism (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No such section is contained at the target. Schützenpanzer (Talk) 23:55, 25 May 2025 (UTC)
- @Schützenpanzer: This link was broken because Guacpocalypse renamed this section from "Criticism" to "News." I have fixed this broken section anchor, so the link is working again. Jarble (talk) 00:06, 26 May 2025 (UTC)
Buds (Surf Curse album)
- Buds (Surf Curse album) → Freaks (Surf Curse song) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Article failed notability and reputable sources; instead of deletion was redirected causing misleading links Fredlesaltique (talk) 20:49, 25 May 2025 (UTC)
I've played these games before!
- I've played these games before! → Squid Game season 2 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The phrase isn't mentioned at the target article and there isn't another article which would be suitable for retargeting. Suonii180 (talk) 20:42, 25 May 2025 (UTC)
- I changed the redirect to something else where it is mentioned which I also put in the article, It was Squid Game season 2 to Squid Game season 2#Episodes. Rafael Gauden R. Maglalang (talk) 00:50, 26 May 2025 (UTC)
- It is mentioned at episode 3 "001" if you can not find it. Rafael Gauden R. Maglalang (talk) 00:52, 26 May 2025 (UTC)
Shish
The lowercase makes the target surprising. Since there isn't much information on shish at skewer (the article is too broad), I think that retargeting to shish kebab (page view comparison) would provide the most information and be the most intuitive for readers. Alternatives include swapping with Shish (disambiguation). Sdrqaz (talk) 00:24, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 14:19, 25 May 2025 (UTC)
Wokepedia
- Wokepedia → Criticism of Wikipedia#Partisanship (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
"Wokepedia" or "Wokipedia" is not mentioned in the target article. The only thing I know is one of Elon Musk's posts (i.e. tweets) on X [twitter] joking about giving financial compensation if the Wikimedia foundation changes wikipedia to wokepedia (but my statement is completely unsourced and will need searching). Chuterix (talk) 13:53, 25 May 2025 (UTC)
Bitterzoet
- Bitterzoet → Eefje de Visser (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Is redirecting for a less relevant topic. Most of the links are relating to the venue, not the album. Dutch language has no article for the album, but an article for the venue. Should at best be disambiguated, but I would suggest deleting. Fazzo29 (talk) 09:13, 25 May 2025 (UTC)
- I mostly contribute to nl:wiki and am therefore not familiar with the policies or conventions of en:wiki. But I agree with @Fazzo29 that it doesn't seem logical to redirect 'Bitterzoet' to Eefje de Visser (a Dutch artist who has an album + title song named Bitterzoet). The Dutch Wikipedia article Bitterzoet is a disambiguation page which lists 7 meanings, four of which have their own article on nl:wiki. Michzondag (talk) 15:01, 25 May 2025 (UTC).
Automatic lubricating cup
- Automatic lubricating cup → Lubricant (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Automatic Lubricating Cup → Lubricant (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This phrase, and specifically the word "cup", is mentioned nowhere in the target article, leaving it unclear why readers would be redirected to the target article when searching these terms. Steel1943 (talk) 07:17, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
- Keep since it's an important invention with lots of coverage in sources. It has good possibilities for a section, or even an article, but at least a mention. Better to fix the lack of mention than to delete it. Dicklyon (talk) 15:13, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
- ...Something being that notable seems to be eligible for WP:REDLINK if it's not mentioned. Steel1943 (talk) 16:48, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
- Keep but Retarget per Mdewman6 below. Dicklyon (talk) 23:24, 16 May 2025 (UTC)
- Retarget to Automatic lubricator#Displacement lubricator for now, and add a mention. This seems to refer to patented invention by Elijah McCoy, known as The real McCoy; both articles mention his "oil-drip cup invention", but the best target would be the article describing the invention and related things, not the inventor or terms derived from the invention. There is old content at Automatic Lubricating Cup but it would definitely be a case of WP:TNT if brought to AfD, as it is more about McCoy than the invention. Mdewman6 (talk) 18:35, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 10:20, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nom until a mention can be established. -- Tavix (talk) 20:34, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
- Redirect to Elijah McCoy for now, since the invention is by him. Not prejudiced to redirecting if a mention gets added to another article. ApexParagon (talk) 15:20, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Multiple targets have been suggested.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 08:49, 25 May 2025 (UTC)
Khattar (surname) (disambiguation)
- Khattar (surname) (disambiguation) → Khattar (surname) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This redirect performs no useful function. The target is a surname SIA and does not require a WP:INTDAB redirect.WP:G14 declined by @Pppery: with edit summary "A surname article is a page that "perform[s] disambiguation-like functions (such as set index articles or lists)." IMO so G14 doesn't apply. Probably should be deleted at RfD". Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 07:43, 25 May 2025 (UTC)
Alberta separatism and annexationism
- Alberta separatism and annexationism → Alberta separatism (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Delete - Implausible search target; redirects to a shorter title; created from an inappropriate page move; NPOV violation. ―"Ghost of Dan Gurney" (hihi) 15:59, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
- Keep. The target is about movements both for independence (separatism) and annexation by the United States (annexationsim) so it's not misleading and doesn't seem implausible. The title length is irrelevant and I'm not understand why you claim this is an NPOV violation? Even it if is non-neutral, it's important to note that redirects do not have to be neutral. Thryduulf (talk) 16:14, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
- Delete on the basis, that the redirect was part of a unexplained move and the article is 97% not on annexationism compared to other articles, so agree largely implausible. Alberta annexationism would redirect readers to the more relevant article. DankJae 22:20, 12 May 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 01:58, 17 May 2025 (UTC)
- Delete. The redirect implies that the current target covers both topics, thus hiding the existence of the section to which Alberta annexationism currently redirects. Nyttend (talk) 07:02, 17 May 2025 (UTC)
- Keep Per Thryduulf Servite et contribuere (talk) 03:04, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 07:28, 25 May 2025 (UTC)
There's been a murder
When I search this phrase, mostly what comes up is a card game and a Jay-Z song. I'll admit, my searches from the US might not come up with Taggart due to it being a Scottish show, but I still think this is far from unambiguous. I added {{R from quote}} if it is kept though. Casablanca 🪨(T) 19:53, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
- Comment My searches from the UK are a roughly equal mix of Taggart and the card game, with Jay-Z not getting a single hit on the first four pages (I stopped looking at that point). We have no content about the card game that I've found, but there is an EP and a TV episode with this title, both references to Taggart (The Gresham Flyers#Extended plays, Dear Green Place#Season 1). Thryduulf (talk) 00:39, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MouseCursor or a keyboard? 08:57, 18 May 2025 (UTC) - Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 07:14, 25 May 2025 (UTC)
Vampyrellidium
- Vampyrellidium → Vampyrellidae (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Wrong redirect. Vampyrellidium is a genus of probably-nuclearid, mentioned as "not to be confused with the cercozoan Vampyrella" in https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6792443/. Artoria2e5 🌉 07:13, 25 May 2025 (UTC)
Template:Subst:Unsigned IP
- Template:Subst:Unsigned IP → Template:Unsigned IP (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Template:Subst:Unsigned → Template:Unsigned (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
I'm not even sure how you would use this template shortcut? I guess Template:Subst:Unsigned IP works, but the "normal" way you would display this would be {{subst:unsigned IP}}, which works regardless of this shortcut's existence. I think this can be deleted due to its dubious utility and potential for confusion about what the subst: prefix means. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 05:21, 25 May 2025 (UTC)
- Delete: I don't think anyone would choose to write {{subst:subst:Unsigned IP}}. Besides, it looks like a double redirect; Template:Unsigned IP redirects to Template:Unsigned. 🌳 Balsam Cottonwood (talk) ✝ 06:58, 25 May 2025 (UTC)
- Delete, and Also delete Template:Subst:Unsigned: As far as I can tell, the user who created these was correctly using {{subst:Unsigned}} and {{subst:Unsigned IP}}, but using edit summaries that attempted to link Template:subst:Unsigned and Template:subst:Unsigned IP (ref). But then, immediately after creating the redirects, they switched to just using {{Unsigned}} and {{Unsigned IP}} (e.g. Special:Diff/1199770620). Anomie⚔ 13:32, 25 May 2025 (UTC)
- Agree with deleting TM:Subst:Unsigned; added to nomination. Best, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 18:31, 25 May 2025 (UTC)
Wikipedia:NEWSCIENTIST
- Wikipedia:NEWSCIENTIST → Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources#New Scientist (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This redirect used to lead to Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources#New Scientist. The target section has since been deleted, and now it only links to the top of the page, which is not very helpful. The New Scientist section either needs to be restored, or the redirect deleted. Since I don't know why New Scientist was removed from the list of perennial sources, I am unsure of what my opinion on this would be. 🌳 Balsam Cottonwood (talk) ✝ 04:57, 25 May 2025 (UTC)
- Delete The RSP entry was removed two years ago.[1] If a new entry is added then the redirect can be recreated, but it's redundant at the moment. -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested «@» °∆t° 09:47, 25 May 2025 (UTC)
Asie Mineure
I don't think Anatolia is especially French. Delete per WP:FORRED. Duckmather (talk) 04:33, 25 May 2025 (UTC)
- Keep Also known as Asia Minor and Asie Mineure is the French translation. So keep as unambiguous and harmless Servite et contribuere (talk) 04:59, 25 May 2025 (UTC)
Patrick McDermott
- Patrick McDermott → Disappearance of Patrick McDermott (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The disambiguation page was previously proposed for deletion. Probably best to discuss the redirect first to see if we actually agree with it in the first place. Also, I know he was the partner of Olivia Newton-John which is the main factor of his notability, but I still think I discussion is best to determine whether to Keep or Dabify and move Patrick McDermott (disambiguation) to Patrick McDermott without a disambiguation Servite et contribuere (talk) 03:20, 25 May 2025 (UTC)
Dance drama
There are many types of dance drama, not just wuju. This is misleading. Either delete, retarget, or possibly a DAB? Laterthanyouthink (talk) 03:14, 25 May 2025 (UTC)
- I see quite a few results for "dance drama" on this site, so I'm inclined to suggest a DAB or something similar. Seems like a reasonable enough search term that I could believe leading to the current target (given it's a direct translation of the name) or a number of other options, so some sort of list would make the most sense. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 04:19, 25 May 2025 (UTC)
- Only reason I didn't DAB at creation was that we didn't seem to have any articles on the other genres of dance drama. Since WP:DAB requires at least two valid target articles, I went the redirect route. If we do have articles on these other forms of dance drama, a DAB definitely makes more sense. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 13:43, 25 May 2025 (UTC)
Monopoly: The Card Game
- Monopoly: The Card Game → Monopoly (game) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
I originally redirected this to Monopoly (game) because it failed notability guidelines for products and services, and was filled with original research. The target article used to have some substantive coverage of the topic, but I removed it because it was unreliably sourced. Therefore, this redirect serves no navigational purpose and should be deleted. (There is now only a trivial mention on the target page, though, and some disambiguation pages still have it listed.) 1isall (talk) 02:31, 25 May 2025 (UTC)
- Relevant policies, guidelines, and revisions that I forgot to link to:
- 1isall (talk) 02:53, 25 May 2025 (UTC)
- Retarget to History of Monopoly, where it is mentioned. If sources are discovered in the future, the article can be restored from this version, which will be easier to do than if the edit history is deleted. Pinging User:Cunard to see if more sources can be found at this time. BOZ (talk) 07:16, 25 May 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks for that recommendation, BOZ. However, in the article History of Monopoly, the only mention of Monopoly: The Card Game appears in the section History of Monopoly#Localizations, licenses, and spin-offs as a single, passing reference. It's not substantive and lacks a citation. I believe the redirect would therefore be unsuitable for retargeting there. 1isall (talk) 02:52, 26 May 2025 (UTC)
Better Go Home
Song does not appear to exist. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 00:54, 25 May 2025 (UTC)
Prashant Sharma
- Prashant Sharma → IIT (ISM) Dhanbad#Controversies (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. The unrelated Prashant Sharma (politician) exists, so maybe delete and move that article over the redirect. * Pppery * it has begun... 15:44, 13 May 2025 (UTC)
- Delete and move with a hatnote to Prashant P. Sharma per nom. मल्ल (talk) 17:27, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
- DABIFY Per Tavix Servite et contribuere (talk) 03:37, 25 May 2025 (UTC)
- Delete and move with a hatnote to Prashant P. Sharma per nom. मल्ल (talk) 17:27, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. The pre-redirect content with the attempt for an article on a YouTuber by an editor who was later blocked, was removed within 10 minutes as non-notable, and it was unsourced as well. Jay 💬 14:00, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
- Disambiguate. I don't see a primary topic between Prashant Sharma (politician) and Prashant P. Sharma. -- Tavix (talk) 20:29, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
- Is a seperate disambig page necessary if there's only two articles? There's already a natural disambiguation with the article titles and the page for the politician consistently receives over double the monthly views. मल्ल (talk) 01:06, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Rusalkii (talk) 23:08, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
Draft:Jam doughnuts
- Draft:Jam doughnuts → Jelly doughnut (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
I attempted nominating this for speedy deletion but it was declined. I do not feel it is necessary to have a redirect from the draft namespace, especially since the non-draft namespace version of this redirect exists and also redirects the same way. It is incredibly improbable someone would ever keyword the draft namespace to find information on a topic—the casual reader doesn’t even realize Wikipedia is more than article space. The draft was also originally created by a troll who was blocked indefinitely, before another user changed it into a redirect. Thebirdlover (talk) 16:26, 16 May 2025 (UTC)
- Ugh. Just delete this per WP:NOTBURO, WP:G6, or what have you. It was a duplicate created by a not-here user, and a redirect at the same title already exists in main space. And for some bizarre reason, you can't even let draft space redirects get cleaned up in six months by G13. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 16:50, 16 May 2025 (UTC)
- Believe me, if I was an administrator I would, don't act like everyone on Wikipedia has those powers. Draft space redirects shouldn't exist in my opinion--why delay something that can be done now? --Thebirdlover (talk) 17:27, 16 May 2025 (UTC)
- I was just addressing Wikipedia at large, not you specifically. I wasn't expecting you to do any of this, but rather the result of this discussion, which shouldn't really be necessary, but sometimes the bureaucracy wins out. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 20:39, 16 May 2025 (UTC)
- Believe me, if I was an administrator I would, don't act like everyone on Wikipedia has those powers. Draft space redirects shouldn't exist in my opinion--why delay something that can be done now? --Thebirdlover (talk) 17:27, 16 May 2025 (UTC)
- Keep as completely harmless. This discussion has caused far more disruption and wasted far more editor time than anything else to do with this redirect. Thryduulf (talk) 11:19, 17 May 2025 (UTC)
- In what way does keeping it prevent further disruption and wasted time versus deleting it? 35.139.154.158 (talk) 15:32, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
- Delete Misleading, in the implication that there was a real draft at this title that editors could draw from. --BDD (talk) 20:05, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
- Move without redirect to Jam doughnuts. I assume this editor was trying to create a redirect at this title but couldn't due to not being autoconfirmed. -- Tavix (talk) 20:30, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
- Keep as per Thryduulf and move as per Tavix. Some pretty awesome usernames, btw. Hyperbolick (talk) 03:31, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
- Do you support moving with or without a redirect? Cremastra (u — c) 22:51, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Rusalkii (talk) 23:03, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
- Move WITH redirect to Jam doughnuts. The leftover redirect will then be a {{R avoided double redirect}}, akin to getting a draft redirect "published". Steel1943 (talk) 19:54, 25 May 2025 (UTC)
Diplonemea
- Diplonemea → Diplonemidae (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
According to the redirect, Diplonemea is monotypic, but according to the new Discoba classification template, it isn't, for it also contains Hemistasidae and Eupelagonemidae. I would especially like turning the page into an article, for this taxon, according to the aforementioned template, is not monotypic. Alfa-ketosav (talk) 20:13, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
Road travel
Since the target article is specifically for traveling on roads via cars and other automobiles, this redirect targeting the current article can be seen as potentially misleading. Roads can also be traveled on by walking, bicycles, and other beans types of non-motorized vehicles. Steel1943 (talk) 18:05, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
- I would ask for some examples of these other non-motorised vehicles, but we have a well-regarded essay discouraging that ;) Thryduulf (talk) 22:58, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
- ...Geez, I didn't realize I made that hilarious error. Fixed. 🤣 Steel1943 (talk) 02:17, 25 May 2025 (UTC)
- Retarget to Road transport, in the absence of a separate article this seems the best bet. For comparison Rail travel redirects to Rail transport, Air travel and Aviation (where Air transport redirects) are separate articles. Equivalents for travel on water all seem to be redlinks rather than articles or redirects to the ... transport articles. Thryduulf (talk) 23:02, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
- Change target to Road Transport per Thryduulf Servite et contribuere (talk) 03:39, 25 May 2025 (UTC)
Gender pronouns
- Gender pronoun → Personal pronoun (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Gender pronouns → Personal pronoun (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Gender specific pronoun → Gender neutrality in languages with gendered third-person pronouns (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Gender specific pronouns → Gender neutrality in languages with gendered third-person pronouns (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Gender-specific pronoun → Preferred gender pronoun (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Gender-specific pronouns → Preferred gender pronoun (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Retarget to Personal_pronoun#Gender, where preferred gender pronouns is already hatnoted. --MikutoH talk! 17:49, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
Chip Whitley
- Chip Whitley → Conan O'Brien (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Did a google search, and Conan O'Brien wasn't mentioned for Chip Whitley searches. Appears to be fake. It is in page history of him having to do something with the actor. Don't know if the actor is notable enough or whether this redirect is legit or is fake. The user that created this also created a fake one called Dora The Ex-Toader. I think either Delete as one option, second option would be Draftify and crate article on actor or another one would be Keep. I am honestly neutral and I should let people who know about this and what it means debate and argue. Servite et contribuere (talk) 17:46, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
Traveler-oriented business
- Traveler-oriented business → Travel (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Seems to be ambiguous to a point where there is no adequate target for this redirect. Some examples of targets this redirect could refer are Travel agency and almost any article about a subject that assists travelers (air, bus, train, etc.) Steel1943 (talk) 17:45, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
- Leaning delete for no good target. I wouldn't expect to find articles about modes of transport from this search term, but rather an article about the business sector aimed at travellers and tourists/tourism - travel agencies, tour operators, tourist information centres, Corporate travel management, that sort of thing. However we don't have an article on that I can find tourism sector is a redlink for example (Tourism sector in Iran is the only similar title to exist, but that's obviously not a suitable target here). Businesses provided services to the travelling communities (e.g. Gypsy, Roma and Traveller people (UK)), but I'd be very surprised if that was the primary topic but would definitely merit a hatnote or dab entry if we have an article. I support disambiguation in principle but I'm not sure it would be viable since I've failed to find articles that match the scope of pretty much everything I've thought of this could refer to. Thryduulf (talk) 23:14, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
Interstate 90 floating bridges (disambiguation)
- Interstate 90 floating bridges (disambiguation) → Interstate 90 floating bridges (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This redirect performs no useful function. The target "Interstate 90 floating bridges" (plural) is not ambiguous. The target is a simple list and does not require a WP:INTDAB redirect. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 15:56, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
Häme (disambiguation)
This redirect serves no useful purpose. The target is not a disambiguation page (and so does not need a WP:INTDAB redirect to it), and does not otherwise list articles that might be titled "Häme" (because Häme is not ambiguous). Delete. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 15:47, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
- Make into a new disambiguation page. Häme and Tavastia (historical province) are about the same topic (there is a merge discussion), but there is also Häme Province, Häme (constituency) and Häme Region (present-day Kanta-Häme, but known as Häme before 1998). Jähmefyysikko (talk) 08:23, 25 May 2025 (UTC)
Lobotomy Dash
- Lobotomy Dash → Geometry Dash (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Delete, because it is not mentioned in the target article. Xoontor (talk) 12:44, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
- Delete while unmentioned. There is a lot of material about this on google searches (it seems to be some sort of meme/derivative of Geometry Dash) so while I haven't investigated the reliability or depth of sourcing, I wouldn't be surprised if some sort of content about it was added somewhere at some point. However unless and until that happens the redirect is not misleading. Thryduulf (talk) 13:28, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
Superman 'Starman'
- Superman 'Starman' → Starman (song)#Social Media (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Delete per WP:UNNATURAL (Titles with punctuation, obscure errors, additions, or removals that have no specific affinity to one title over any other:
e.g. being in quotations
). Xoontor (talk) 12:30, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
Visnapuu (disambiguation)
- Visnapuu (disambiguation) → Visnapuu (surname) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
after renaming, now misleading Estopedist1 (talk) 12:09, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
- Visnapuu (disambiguation) just to be deleted, and then everything OK--Estopedist1 (talk) 12:10, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
- Yes, I think so too; it should be deleted. Qaswa (talk) 18:21, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
- Keep since simply put, the nominated redirect is not eligible for WP:G14 since list pages serve a "disambiguation-like function". Steel1943 (talk) 18:38, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
- Keep Unambiguous and from unnecessary disambiguation Servite et contribuere (talk) 03:40, 25 May 2025 (UTC)
San diego crash
- San diego crash → 2008 San Diego F/A-18 crash (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Delete. Created by a blocked user; the wording in the title is too ambiguous to identify any single target, dab page, or category. 2600:8800:1E8F:BE00:B3B1:93FA:7153:FC17 (talk) 03:15, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
- Delete highly ambiguous, many crashes -- 65.93.183.249 (talk) 07:02, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
- Delete as ambiguous. The alternative would be to dabify, though we don't usually make dab pages for crashes. A very quick search identifies the following potential targets: Pacific Southwest Airlines Flight 182, 2008 San Diego F/A-18 crash, 1959 San Diego F3H crash, 2025 San Diego Cessna Citation II crash, and there are bound to be others. Rosbif73 (talk) 09:55, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per above. Dab would need to be created at San Diego crash, and there's no real point in keeping a miscapitalized redirect to there if it doesn't already exist. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 11:45, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
You'll Be Alright, Kid (Chapter 2)
- You'll Be Alright, Kid (Chapter 2) → Ordinary (Alex Warren song) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Found no news coverage of this release, and it is not mentioned at the target or at Alex Warren. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 02:28, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
Knick Knack Paddy Whack
- Knick Knack Paddy Whack → List of The 7D episodes#ep11b (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Knick-Knack Paddywhack → This Old Man (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Nick Nack Paddy Whack → This Old Man (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Nick Nack Paddy Wack → This Old Man (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
I used the first of these to look up information about the nursery rhyme and was surprised to arrive at an episode listing for a show I've never heard of. Following the (not particularly prominent) link to the article I wanted I found that multiple other spellings (indeed all the variations I've found) link directly there. While the term I used is the exact title of the episode, I don't see evidence of it being the primary topic and it being the only one going to a different target also feels wrong. I propose to regarget Knick Knack Paddy Whack to This Old Man to match the others. Thryduulf (talk) 02:21, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
- Retarget per nom. Cremastra (u — c) 03:02, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
- Retarget. There's already a hatnote to the TV episode at This Old Man -- Ϫ 06:34, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
- Retarget per nomination. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 11:43, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
Marilyn ricecup
- Marilyn ricecup → Mary Lynn Rajskub (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
I guess it's supposed to be a mishearing of the name, but it just seems like an unfunny joke. Putting it in quotes on Google returns no results. Schützenpanzer (Talk) 01:09, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
- Delete If this is a joke then I must've missed the humor completely. Nathannah • 📮 01:56, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
- Delete as unlikely misspelling/search term. Some Google results came up for "Marilyn rice cup", but not nearly enough to be convincing. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 11:39, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
Leybach
Ambiguous term, no evidence that the current target is primary topic. It is after all the historic name for the Ljubljanica river. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:02, 16 May 2025 (UTC)
- Keep I was initially inclined to agree and recommend disambiguation, since the bar for a surname redirecting to an individual should be high, and the composer is not especially well known. However, there are only two topics involved, and looking beyond the two articles themselves, every current use refers to the composer. Thus, I recommend keeping and adding
{{redirect|Leybach|the river|Ljubljanica}}
as a hatnote on the composer's article. --BDD (talk) 15:12, 16 May 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 23:57, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
- disambiguate per nom -- 65.93.183.249 (talk) 07:42, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
To amend Public Law 93-435 with respect to the Northern Mariana Islands, providing parity with Guam, the Virgin Islands, and American Samoa (S. 256; 113th Congress)
- To amend Public Law 93-435 with respect to the Northern Mariana Islands, providing parity with Guam, the Virgin Islands, and American Samoa (S. 256; 113th Congress) → Public Law 113-34 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Delete. Egregiously long title. Nobody's going to enter the long title and then follow it up with (S. 256; 113th Congress); the long title is sufficiently unambiguous. Because this was bot-created as a redirect to an alternate form of the title (which I'm nominating separately), there's no reason to be concerned about deleting any history. Nyttend (talk) 21:30, 16 May 2025 (UTC)
- Keep accurate and unambiguous. Nothing in the nomination statement is a reason to delete a redirect that is harmless. Thryduulf (talk) 11:16, 17 May 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 23:56, 23 May 2025 (UTC) - Keep Per Thryduulf Servite et contribuere (talk) 23:59, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
Opinion polling for the next Canadian federal election
- Opinion polling for the next Canadian federal election → Opinion polling for the 2025 Canadian federal election (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Since 2025 is no longer the next election and we have no article on polling for the actual next election, this redirect is misleading and should be deleted. Cremastra (u — c) 22:35, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
Dora the Ex-Toader
- Dora the Ex-Toader → Dora the Explorer (TV series) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Appears to be a fake nickname/vandalism that's been uncaught since 2009 Schützenpanzer (Talk) 21:46, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nom: not a thing. Cremastra (u — c) 22:36, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
- Delete Not even close to funny. Nathannah • 📮 23:36, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
- Delete Per nom. Total vandalism name that is completely fake Servite et contribuere (talk) 01:07, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
Webi Ughasate
Is there such a thing? Doug Weller talk 19:25, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
- Delete, apparently not. My apologies for only relying on its mention in the target when responding to the request at WP:AFC/R. Sam Sailor 20:01, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
- @Sam Sailor Should this be considered a G7 request? In either case, Delete per the above. Cremastra (u — c) 22:37, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
Chargers
Of all sports teams with redirects that may refer to something else, I would question this one the most. The top of the Los Angeles Chargers article says "Chargers redirect here. For other uses see Charger (disambiguation) not Chargers (disambiguation)" and Charger (disambiguation) is a redirect to Chargers. Chargers could also refer to the Deccan Chargers, the Gold Coast Chargers, and outside of sports; Battery Chargers. I would suggest changing target to Charger. Note that 49ers currently redirects to 49er and they are a way more notable team. I might still consider discussing the redirect (Even if this one is kept) just to see whether people think change should happen considering the discussion was 10 years ago). Servite et contribuere (talk) 16:11, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
- Retarget to Charger per nom. 162 etc. (talk) 16:47, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
- Retarget to "Charger" as highly ambiguous -- 65.93.183.249 (talk) 07:03, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
- Comment The click data doesn't really show lots of readers (being confused) going from Los Angeles Chargers to Charger.[2]—Bagumba (talk) 07:33, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
Football Cardinals
- Football Cardinals → Arizona Cardinals (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Football Cardinals is actually used in St. Louis and the Baseball team was the Primary Topic. When in St. Louis, the team was commonly referred to as the "Football Cardinals" to avoid confusion with the Baseball team. And "Football Cardinals" is mentioned on the article St. Louis Cardinals (NFL). Change target to St. Louis Cardinals (NFL) and leave redirect note at top of article. Servite et contribuere (talk) 15:37, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
- Support, this moniker is never used when discussing the post-move Arizona team. 162 etc. (talk) 15:53, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
Horse shampoo
- Horse shampoo → Shampoo#Animal (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Delete, horses are not mentioned in the target article. -1ctinus📝🗨 14:30, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
Subcompact
- Subcompact → Subcompact car (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Make dab; see also Subcompact crossover SUV and Subcompact executive car. 162 etc. (talk) 03:21, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
- Delete as an ambiguous WP:PTM, or weak keep and create Subcompact (disambiguation) with the terms stated by the nominator ... but with the caveat that the current target of the nominated redirect is most likely the WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT topic. Steel1943 (talk) 19:35, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
- Comment There are a lot of incoming links. The ones at Mini MPV look like they should be changed. I haven't checked enough of the incoming links to comment on patterns. Jruderman (talk) 00:00, 17 May 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 12:15, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
Texas Oil
It was never known as "Texas Oil". I have just created an article titled Oil in Texas which I am working on and am going to consider inviting other editors to work on and might even consider splitting content from other articles and move the content to Oil in Texas. Oil in Texas is notable enough for a stand alone article and might even collaborate with other editors to move content from Energy in Texas to Oil in Texas. Back to this redirect, I think for now it is best to change target to Oil in Texas. Servite et contribuere (talk) 08:41, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
- Retarget to Oil in Texas A company named Texaco is not WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for the redirect. So, it is more necessary to retarget to more appropriate title. 103.144.14.10 (talk) 10:37, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
A-League
Not the only league called A-League anymore. I would say to either change target to Australian Professional Leagues or to Dabify or maybe less likely create and article or merge the articles A-League Men and A-League Women and call the article A-Leagues (It would require removing the existing redirect of A-Leagues. Servite et contribuere (talk) 07:01, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
- It never was the only league known as the A-League (we had American Professional Soccer League and USL First Division). The question is primary topic or not. Anyways, I'd suggest redirecting A-League to A-League (disambiguation). --SuperJew (talk) 08:09, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
- Forgot there was already a DAB page. Thank you Servite et contribuere (talk) 08:28, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
- In that case, the dabpage would move to A-League in order to avoid unnecessary disambiguation in the title. Is this really a WP:NOPRIMARY situation though? 162 etc. (talk) 15:50, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
Chinese invasion of Taiwan
- Chinese invasion of Taiwan → Chinese unification#Official stance of the People's Republic of China (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Notable topic on its own; the term is not mentioned in the target article. PS. Found a better redirect target: Cross-strait_relations#Possibility_of_a_Chinese_invasion. Piotrus at Hanyang| reply here 06:31, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
- Change Target to Cross-strait_relations#Possibility_of_a_Chinese_invasion Per nominator Servite et contribuere (talk) 07:04, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
- Delete This is purely speculative and amounts to WP:CRYSTAL China has not invaded Taiwan. A redirect to a very speculative sounding sub-section of a different article is compounding the issue, not making it better. Simonm223 (talk) 11:19, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
- I would actually disagree. It has been widely reported by the media of a possibility. This is not a case of an editor publishing their own speculations. Thank you Servite et contribuere (talk) 15:39, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
- Yeah, it's like suggesting we don't need World War IV (and World War III :P) Piotrus at Hanyang| reply here 15:41, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
- Hanyangprofessor2 Good point, but a Chinese invasion of Taiwan only needs one state to invade one state. WW3 would need the almost whole world involved. WW4 would have to wait for WW3 to end and possibly even at least 20 years after that war to end. Servite et contribuere (talk) 15:53, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
- @Servite et contribuere No comparison is ideal, true. See some related discussion here. Piotrus at Hanyang| reply here 07:09, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
- Hanyangprofessor2 Good point, but a Chinese invasion of Taiwan only needs one state to invade one state. WW3 would need the almost whole world involved. WW4 would have to wait for WW3 to end and possibly even at least 20 years after that war to end. Servite et contribuere (talk) 15:53, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
- Yeah, it's like suggesting we don't need World War IV (and World War III :P) Piotrus at Hanyang| reply here 15:41, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
- I would actually disagree. It has been widely reported by the media of a possibility. This is not a case of an editor publishing their own speculations. Thank you Servite et contribuere (talk) 15:39, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
- Comment China has invaded Taiwan before... Transition from Ming to Qing ... the Ming invaded in the 1660s and the Qing invaded in the 1680s -- 65.93.183.249 (talk) 07:06, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
- Retarget per above, a very plausible search term. Thryduulf (talk) 13:20, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
Template:Collapose bottom
- Template:Collapose bottom → Template:Collapse bottom (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Template:Collapose top → Template:Collapse top (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Also an implausible typo (and typos in templatespace are generally deleted much more aggressively). C.f. Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 May 20#Template:Collapsoe bottom. Duckmather (talk) 05:58, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 23:00, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
Vogue India cover models
- Vogue india cover → List of Vogue India cover models (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Vogue india cover girl → List of Vogue India cover models (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Vogue india cover girls → List of Vogue India cover models (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Vogue india cover model → List of Vogue India cover models (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Vogue india cover models → List of Vogue India cover models (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Vogue india covers → List of Vogue India cover models (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Delete all redirects, unnecessary and implausible search terms. Jayediting (talk) 00:59, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
- Keep per WP:CHEAP, does not seem implausible. 162 etc. (talk) 15:51, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
- Keep per 162 etc. These all seem plausible and unambiguous search terms. Thryduulf (talk) 13:23, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
Men Gone Their Own Way
- Men Gone Their Own Way → Men Going Their Own Way (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Implausible search term, only used in a handful of self-published sources that I could find, i.e. a novel or very obscure synonym
per WP:RDELETE —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 00:44, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
- Keep seems a fairly basic and straightforward derivation from the original title. This is nowhere near novel because gone and going are obviously related. PARAKANYAA (talk) 01:16, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
- Keep Per PARAKANYAA Servite et contribuere (talk) 07:04, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
- Delete an implausible search term that is only used by self-published sources is not something likely to have any utility for readers. Simonm223 (talk) 11:18, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
- Keep this strikes me as a very plausible misremembering of the article title so I'm not concerned by limited use in sources. Thryduulf (talk) 13:24, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
Bishara Bahbah
- Bishara Bahbah → Massad Boulos (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Subject of redirect is largely unrelated to the target, causing confusion. The subject is only mentioned twice in two sentences of the target. Liu1126 (talk) 22:56, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. The only mentions are in passing and nowhere close to being a useful redirect target. Thryduulf (talk) 23:04, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
消博会

Red-green flag
- Red-green flag → Flag of Belarus (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Ambiguous, there are many red-green flags. Rrjmrrr (talk) 21:37, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
- Alrighty, fair enough. Burkina Faso, Madagascar, Morocco, could have this name too. Arguably, Pridnestrovie and Mauritania could have it too. Looks like unless I'm missing someone the rest are green-red (the reverse of this title). Maybe someone can make a convincing argument; like for example Belarus is probably the one people would look for if they wanted a "red-green flag" (which doesn't seem very stable... maybe when used it turns out to be better than expected?)? Until then, redirect. Whoops. wikipedia-kxeon mailbox ... 21:47, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
- Retarget to List of flags by color combination#Red, green which lists multiple flags with this combination of colours (in either order) including Bangladesh and Portugal which were my first thoughts. It doesn't include Belarus however, which listed in the White, red, green section. Thryduulf (talk) 23:09, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
- Retarget to List of flags by color combination#Red, green per Thryduulf. Flag of Belarus is not WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for the redirect. 103.111.102.118 (talk) 08:23, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
- Retarget to List of flags by color combination#Red, green, per those above. BD2412 T 01:40, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
Dri
Apparently "a redirect from a page name in one of the Tibetan languages", this is not mentioned at the target, and is ambiguous with Dr.I Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 20:27, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:FORRED. While I'm not sure how ambiguous it really is with the WWI aircraft in practice, and there is some affinity between yaks and Tibetan, it is also an unrelated word in several other languages and the lack of mention means there is a high chance of confusion. Thryduulf (talk) 23:15, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
- Retarget to DRI (a dab page) since 3-letter terms are generally ambiguous anyways. Duckmather (talk) 05:54, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
- retarget per Duckmather -- 65.93.183.249 (talk) 07:08, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
Wikipedia:DPROCESS
- Wikipedia:DPROCESS → Wikipedia:Deletion process (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
I originally put up this redirect for it to be a shortcut to the deletion process page because the page had no main shortcut, but now, the main shortcut to this page is "WP:DELPRO", which sounds much better than "WP:DPROCESS". Furthermore, WP:D stands for Wikipedia:Disambiguation, which could be confusing to someone trying to look up how to create disambiguations, thinking that they are going to find the "Disambiguation process". I could have just requested speedy deletion per WP:G7, but I'll let the community decide whether the redirect should be deleted, kept or retargeted. RaschenTechner (talk) 12:33, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
- Keep for those who wish to use this shortcut, which would be available for use whether or not it's one of the advertised shortcuts. Personally, I like DPROCESS better than DELPRO (which to me sounds more like someone in favor of deletion). There is no page for Wikipedia:Disambiguation process, so I don't see ambiguity as an issue. -- Tavix (talk) 13:33, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
- Speedy delete as a WP:G7. When I saw this in the TOC, I thought it was for something akin to 'due process' instead. It's only been here a few weeks and is unused. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 14:04, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
- Speedy deletion isn't an option since Tavix voted for something other than deletion. Steel1943 (talk) 18:30, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
- Keep. I agree with Tavix. I can find only three pages in the Wikipedia namespace that start with "D" and include the word "process" in the title: Wikipedia:Deletion process, Wikipedia:Decision Making Process (marked as a historical project page, but essentially just an essay from 2002), and Wikipedia:Don't just ignore the process (a humorous essay) and this is a plausible shortcut for only one of them - the current one. Thryduulf (talk) 22:43, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Rusalkii (talk) 18:32, 22 May 2025 (UTC) - Keep Per Tavix Servite et contribuere (talk) 16:25, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
7 Grand Dad
- 7 Grand Dad → The Flintstones: The Rescue of Dino & Hoppy#7 GRAND DAD (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not notable enough. If I can't add info about 7 Grand Dad to the page The Flintstones: The Rescue of Dino & Hoppy, then this redirect needs to go.Dr. Precursor (talk) 13:38, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
- Delete, unmentioned. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 13:59, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
- Retarget to Vinesauce Oreocooke (talk) 15:57, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
- ...Why? The connection is unclear. Steel1943 (talk) 16:11, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
- The meme was originally created using a clip of Vinesauce’s reaction to the game. Dr. Precursor (talk) 17:08, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
- For reference from YouTube. Nathannah • 📮 21:42, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
- The meme was originally created using a clip of Vinesauce’s reaction to the game. Dr. Precursor (talk) 17:08, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
- ...Why? The connection is unclear. Steel1943 (talk) 16:11, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
- Delete if not mentioned in the target by the time this discussion closes. The current target seems to be the most applicable target due to it essentially being an alternative version of the current target, but as stated, the redirect is currently not mentioned in the target. Also, apparently, besides Vinesauce (where the redirect is currently not mentioned), this redirect also has affinity to SiIvaGunner (where is redirect is currently mentioned), so retargeting to either would be a potential WP:XY issue. Either way, if this gets deleted, Template:The Flintstones should probably be updated to remove the reference to "7 GRAND DAD". Steel1943 (talk) 18:28, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Rusalkii (talk) 18:32, 22 May 2025 (UTC) - Comment: Note that 7 Grand Dad WAS originally mentioned in the article until the section was removed in April 2025. See this diff ApexParagon (talk) 04:26, 25 May 2025 (UTC)
Hottest
Phrase not exclusive to the target. Would have been an WP:X1 candidate if the criterion was still active. Steel1943 (talk) 21:01, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
- Retarget to Heat Apparently "Hottest" is superlative form of adjective "Hot", which means "Heat". So, it is more necessary retarget "Hottest" to more specific article. 103.111.102.118 (talk) 04:36, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
- "Hot" does not mean "heat". The former is an adjective that can mean "of a high temperature", but can also mean "spicy", "popular", "sexually attractive", and probably some other things I'm not thinking of right off the bat. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 05:12, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
- Basically, I echo what "35.139.154.158" said: There is no WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT target for the nominated redirect, which is the superlative form of "hot". Steel1943 (talk) 19:09, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
- Retarget to Hot (a disambiguation page), per 35.139.154.158 it has multiple meanings other than temperature. 🦬 Beefaloe 🦬 (talk) 07:58, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
- I oppose "Retarget to Hot" since the majority of the subjects at Hot cannot be referred to as "hottest", especially the several proper names for media, which makes this nominated redirect targeting Hot a problematic WP:PTM situation. Steel1943 (talk) 19:09, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
- Nominator stance clarification: Unless it is determined that "Hottest" is the proper name for something (media, book, etc.), to clarify my stance and make it specific, delete or weak retarget to Wiktionary:hottest. Steel1943 (talk) 19:09, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
- Delete as vague at best. Alternatively, Retarget to User:Lenticel --Lenticel (talk) 00:09, 16 May 2025 (UTC)
- Delete ambiguous with no good target. * Pppery * it has begun... 17:56, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
- Retarget to Hotness, which lists things that can be described as "hottest". Most of IP35's list is there. -- Tavix (talk) 23:08, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
- Delete. I think it's fairly pointless to maintain redirects for such ambiguous inflected forms. If a reader doesn't know what "hottest" means because their English proficiency is low, they should use a dictionary such as Wiktionary. If a reader wants to know about heat, spiciness, popularity, or attractiveness, "Hottest" is not a very natural search term, and the reader can surely find a way to rephrase their query, for instance by using a more natural form of the word like "Hot" or "Hotness". Second choice: retarget to Hotness, but in that case we should add Popularity to the list there. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 23:32, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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- Retarget to Hotness per some comments above. 2404:8000:1037:767:3DC0:1A62:639E:A243 (talk) 10:31, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
- Delete or soft redirect to wiktionary. I have no idea what a reader searching this is looking for, and I don't think Neelix did either. Retargeting to a DAB page isn't the best because it isn't ambiguous so much as vague and unencylcopedic. Cremastra (u — c) 22:47, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
Hana Adamcová
The person's last name on the target page before marriage was "Adámková" not Adamcová. FromCzech (talk) 17:46, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
Senate Commerce, Science, and Transportation committee
- Senate Commerce, Science, and Transportation committee → United States Senate Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Delete. The wrongly non-capitalised "committee" makes this an implausible redirect. What are the chances that you'll get everything else right but miss the capitalisation on the last word? If you're already so familiar with this committee that you remember all the words, you're going to know that "Committee" is always capitalised when used with the other words. Nyttend (talk) 03:17, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
- Keep. Plausible enough to have a committee named "Commerce, Science, and Transportation", or to shorten the official name by just keeping the last four words. Of the top 20 Google hits, one (opensecrets) uses the lowercase form in the visible snippet. Jruderman (talk) 00:10, 17 May 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 14:29, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
- Keep given the aggressively lowercase way Wikipedia titles articles it is highly plausible that some people will think this will be the location of the article. Thryduulf (talk) 17:06, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
History of Persia
This redirect has been changed several times. I think History of Iran is the natural target. ―Howard • 🌽33 12:35, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
- Retarget per nom, who has suggested a more comprehensive target. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 13:13, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
User:Bibhutipattnayak
- User:Bibhutipattnayak → Odisha Society of United Kingdom (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
I don't think I've seen a CNR from userspace to mainspace before, but this feels potentially misleading (if innocent). It looks like Bibhutipattnayak created a draft in their userpage (not a sandbox or subpage) then moved the draft to mainspace. ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · email · global) 10:11, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
- I intended to move my draft to mainspace, but I now realize I should have used the Draft namespace or a sandbox first. I'm happy to move it back if needed. Please advise on best practices going forward. Bibhutipattnayak (talk) 10:48, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
- @Bibhutipattnayak: This discussion is not about the draft, but about the redirect left behind when you moved it. There is no need to move the page again. Thryduulf (talk) 10:56, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you for the clarification. Bibhutipattnayak (talk) 10:59, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
- @Bibhutipattnayak: This discussion is not about the draft, but about the redirect left behind when you moved it. There is no need to move the page again. Thryduulf (talk) 10:56, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
- CNRs from user subpages to mainspace are not uncommon and entirely unproblematic, however main userpages should not redirect to anywhere outside user or user talk space. Unless the user concerned explicitly wishes it deleted the best action is to convert to a soft redirect. Thryduulf (talk) 10:56, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
- Either convert to a soft redirect or simply blank the page. ApexParagon (talk) 04:32, 25 May 2025 (UTC)
Presidental Unit Citation
- Presidental Unit Citation → Presidential Unit Citation (United States) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Missed this one when attempting to nominate other redirects with the same typo the other day. – MrPersonHumanGuy (talk) 20:35, 12 May 2025 (UTC)
- Keep Seems like a plausible misspelling, not a typo. Ca talk to me! 04:24, 13 May 2025 (UTC)
- Retarget per below; didn't know that disamb page existed Ca talk to me! 03:43, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
- Retarget to Presidential Unit Citation. The typo is plausible, but no less ambiguous than the correct spelling. BD2412 T 19:13, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
- Retarget per BD2412. Thryduulf (talk) 23:56, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
- @MrPersonHumanGuy: What is your nomination rationale? Asking since the rationale in your original nomination (now closed) wasn't clear as well. Jay 💬 14:10, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
- They all contain the typo "presidental", and I considered it unnecessary to keep redirects with that typo, otherwise one could conceivably create a redirect like that for each and every page with "presidential" in its title. – MrPersonHumanGuy (talk) 14:33, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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- Delete "Presidental" is a phrase that isn't really known by average English speakers. Weak retarget to Presidential Unit Citation if typo-redirect is still necessary. 103.111.102.118 (talk) 12:27, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
Moronism
I retargeted this to Mormonism as an R from typo because it's one character off and I doubt anyone is typing this to go to the psychology page but looking at the history there seems to have been a recent edit conflict between two people on sending this to Mormonism or Moron (psychology). Thoughts on what should be the target? Schützenpanzer (Talk) 20:37, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
- Retarget to Moron (psychology). While "Moronism" is a plausible mispelling (or a satirical misspelling) of mormonism, moron is a more likely target especially with a corresponding Wiktionary entry TruenoCity (talk) 16:09, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
- Retarget to Moron article. PARAKANYAA (talk) 21:24, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
Asian Library
- Asian Library → University of British Columbia Library#Asian Library (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Created by a very recent merge. There are several possible targets in addition to the UBC Library, however. These include East Asian Library and the Gest Collection, C.V. Starr East Asian Library, and Harvard–Yenching Library, among others. A disambiguation page may be in order. Cnilep (talk) 02:11, 21 April 2025 (UTC)
- As the merger, if consensus can be reached on suitable entries, no problem with disambiguation. it's lio! | talk | work 02:18, 21 April 2025 (UTC)
- I have no objections to a disambiguation page. I agree that Asian Library is quite broad as a term. Cyali (talk) 02:34, 21 April 2025 (UTC)
- Disambig in addition to the above, there is also Cheng Yu Tung East Asian Library and Washington University Libraries#Specialist libraries. If a dab is created, East Asian library should be created as a redirect to it. Thryduulf (talk) 10:31, 21 April 2025 (UTC)
- Keep. The "L" is capitalized, showing that this is being used as a proper name; and while there are indeed other generic "Asian libraries", the UBC example appears to be the only one actually titled "the Asian Library". I'd have thought, therefore, that the redirect should be left as it is; but that dab pages should be created for "Asian library" and "East Asian Library". GrindtXX (talk) 11:51, 21 April 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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- Keep per Grind. Jay 💬 10:56, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Rusalkii (talk) 05:32, 7 May 2025 (UTC) - Disambiguation seems like the most reasonable approach here. Not convinced by above argument that the title is indeed distinct enough to clearly only refer to the one subject. The dab page should be made regardless of outcome, but I personally don't see what would make the current target the primary topic. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 05:49, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: One more try...
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Electrism
I'm not sure whether "electrism" is a real word; google search gives me a random mix of stuff, which suggests it isn't. Maybe delete? Duckmather (talk) 02:07, 29 April 2025 (UTC)
- I have not heard this word in any context. Constant314 (talk) 04:17, 29 April 2025 (UTC)
- Delete The only significant thing that comes up is a Huffington Post article about Carmen Electrism, relating to Carmen Electra. There's no use of that term anywhere else, though, so that redirect target also doesn't work. Based5290 :3 (talk) 18:06, 30 April 2025 (UTC)
- Keep! A Google Books search comes up with numerous pieces of evidence, for instances this that this is in fact a real, if perhaps archaic, word, whose meaning is 'electricity'. JayCubby 02:09, 2 May 2025 (UTC)
- @JayCubby: Good catch! Consider my initial nomination struck then. Duckmather (talk) 19:04, 2 May 2025 (UTC)
- As best as I can tell, this seems to be the ramblings of a crackpot, and it's unclear that "electrism" is even talking about electricity as it's normally understood, and not some related crackpottish idea. As I noted below, I'm unable to even find this term in the OED. It's unlikely that anyone is going to search for this, let alone that they're merely looking for the general topic of electricity if they are. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 12:56, 10 May 2025 (UTC)
- Yeah, I just double checked, and a search in this book finds 31 matches for "electricity" vs. 18 for "electrism", so it's quite unlikely that the author actually means for "electrism" to refer to the same thing. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 17:32, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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- Keep per JayCubby. Thryduulf (talk) 12:50, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
- Delete as, at best, an obscure, archaic term that's not (nor should be) mentioned at the target. I don't even see it listed at the OED. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 22:36, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
- I have decided to add a sourced mention to the section Etymology of electricity#Electrism instead of at the main Electricity article (as the latter has a hatnote to the article Etymology of electricity, which includes the former). Duckmather (talk) 03:49, 13 May 2025 (UTC)
- Retarget to Etymology of electricity § Electrism per the nom's addition. @Duckmather: By "worka" did you mean "works"? Jay 💬 13:19, 16 May 2025 (UTC)
- Duckmather corrected the "worka" typo. Jay 💬 18:18, 17 May 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Syriacs
Proposing a new retarget to Terms for Syriac Christians, as the reasoning is outlined in the proposed target article: "Syriac Christians of Near-Eastern (Semitic) origin use several terms for their self-designation. In alphabetical order, the main terms are: Arameans, Assyrians, Chaldeans, Phoenicians, and Syriacs." This indicates that the term is not solely associated with Assyrians. Academically, Syriac and Assyrian are distinguished, with Syriac often used as a synonym for Aramean. Syriac functions both as an exonym and an endonym for Aramean Christians. For reference, see this source, which states: "genocide of the Assyrians, Syriacs, and Chaldeans." Until a modern Aramean people article is established, this redirect would be more fitting with Terms for Syriac Christians as the target. Note: I was unable to place the RfD notice on the redirect page; if someone could do so, it would be appreciated.--Wlaak (talk) 09:52, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
- Keep as is - Today, the modern Assyrian/Chaldean/Syriac group is covered at "Assyrian people" and is named so per WP:COMMONNAME. Modern scholars consider them to be the same ethnic group. The disamb page would also be a better alternative than the proposed target article. Shmayo (talk) 14:03, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
- Common name or not, Syriac is used to refer to multiple groups, not exclusively Assyrians. Terms for Syriac Christians speaks of this term being applied to various people, it is the most fitting one. Modern scholars do not apply "Syriac" to "Assyrian", they keep them separate, hence often speaking of Syriac/Chaldean/Assyrian, as the source I referenced. Keeping as is, would according to me, seem to be WP:POV, to only limit it to the Assyrian people and not the broader Syriac Christians which Terms for Syriac Christians is for and speaks of. Wlaak (talk) 19:44, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
- Hello Wlaak, I have previously listed several historical quotes and sources under the Gungoren village talk page but here are also some sources from our own community and church in which we identify ourselves as Aramean and not as Assyrian.
- - "Syriac is a Greek derivative term for Aramean, which was widely used after the conquests of Alexander the Great."
- https://www.wca-ngo.org/heritage/102-people
- - "The Holy Synod of the Syriac Orthodox Church declared in 1983 that the Syriac language is in fact Aramaic, and the Syrians are Arameans."
- https://www.wca-ngo.org/our-heritage
- - "Syriac Orthodox Christians often identify as Arameans, tracing their heritage back to the ancient Aramean kingdoms and preserving their language and traditions."
- https://www.academia.edu/5159897/Ethnicity_Ethnogenesis_and_the_Identity_of_Syriac_Orthodox_Christians
- - "The term 'Syriac' is derived from the Greek word 'Syrian', which itself is a translation of 'Aramean'."
- https://www.wca-ngo.org/heritage/102-people 145.222.94.129 (talk) 09:12, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
- Common name or not, Syriac is used to refer to multiple groups, not exclusively Assyrians. Terms for Syriac Christians speaks of this term being applied to various people, it is the most fitting one. Modern scholars do not apply "Syriac" to "Assyrian", they keep them separate, hence often speaking of Syriac/Chaldean/Assyrian, as the source I referenced. Keeping as is, would according to me, seem to be WP:POV, to only limit it to the Assyrian people and not the broader Syriac Christians which Terms for Syriac Christians is for and speaks of. Wlaak (talk) 19:44, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
- Keep as is - For some reason I don't have the ability to directly reply to the first comment so I will leave my comment under Shmayo. The people who call themselves Syriac are the same as those who call themselves Assyrian. Per WP:COMMONNAME, this is also what is used to identify the community. Terms for Syriac Christians discusses the various...well, terms used by them and other groups who follow the Syriac rite of churches, so it's not really fitting to redirect it there.
By the way @Wlaak, the Dutch IP 145.222.94.129 was the subject of a sockpuppetry investigation only last September [3] for disrupting Güngören, Midyat in favor of Aramean identity. They are absolutely not fit to take part in this discussion based on that alone, and seeing them write:
"The only group that calls itself Assyrians are the Iraqi Nestorians and some Chaldeans. You are talking nonsense and no one from our community supports your illusion."
...is extremely telling here. Surayeproject3 (talk) 14:24, 7 May 2025 (UTC)- Do not talk to me about who is fit and not fit to be participating, I am my own. Talk to him about it. I called out his manners already. Wlaak (talk) 14:26, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
- Well you are both discussing on that article's talk page how to find sources to change the name of the villagers to Aramean, and you mentioned the redirect to Terms for Syriac Christians in one of your responses. It was just my inference. Surayeproject3 (talk) 14:34, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
- No we weren't. IP asked how we could change the redirect, I told him if he wishes to do so, there is an open discussion for it and linked it. I said if you have sources that do indeed tell that the village is Aramean, then it can be changed, if there isn't, it remains as what the sources say. Wlaak (talk) 16:35, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
- Well you are both discussing on that article's talk page how to find sources to change the name of the villagers to Aramean, and you mentioned the redirect to Terms for Syriac Christians in one of your responses. It was just my inference. Surayeproject3 (talk) 14:34, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
- Do not talk to me about who is fit and not fit to be participating, I am my own. Talk to him about it. I called out his manners already. Wlaak (talk) 14:26, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
- Keep as is - the terms "Syriac" and "Assyrian" refer to the same group of people. However, "Assyrian" is the common name. Terms for Syriac Christians is an explanation of the different terms, not an article about the people per se. Mugsalot (talk) 07:51, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
- There is almost no one in our Syriac Orthodox community who identifies as Assyrian. You are talking nonsense here to suppress your illusion of a great Assyrian people. Our people and church have massively stated that we are descended from the ancient Arameans. The only group that calls itself Assyrians are the Iraqi Nestorians and some Chaldeans. You are talking nonsense and no one from our community supports your illusion. 145.222.94.129 (talk) 08:57, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
- Relax mate Wlaak (talk) 10:54, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
- Sorry mate but both Shmayo and Mugsalot have been blocking everything for years now and every change we make they change it back to their Assyrian ideology. It is very frustrating and my limit was that they would change my village. However, they have filled in everything that has to do with 'Arameans' as if they are extinct. An example is the page "Tur-Abdin". That is our home area where all Syriac Orthodox Christians come from. This area has nothing to do with the Assyrian identity. I would very much appreciate it if something would be done about this once and for all. Also on the page "Arameans" they constantly try to remove all links that have to do with the Syriacs and add parts as if we no longer exist. It all has to fit in their own Assyrian street. 145.222.94.129 (talk) 11:32, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
- Relax mate Wlaak (talk) 10:54, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
- It may be the common name, but it is no exclusive to Assyrians, that's the point. In academics, the terms are often differentiated, with Syriac often equated to Aramean. Today, the article that speaks of all groups is Terms for Syriac Christians, it includes the Arameans, Chaldeans, and the Assyrians. Assyrian people writes three sentences of Arameans, neither does it write of the correleation between the Syriac name to these three different names. It is also only the Assyrian name being "prevailed". Wlaak (talk) 10:58, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
- Support retarget - not exclusively Assyrian per Terms of Syriac Christians Historynerd361 (talk) 11:17, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
- There is almost no one in our Syriac Orthodox community who identifies as Assyrian. You are talking nonsense here to suppress your illusion of a great Assyrian people. Our people and church have massively stated that we are descended from the ancient Arameans. The only group that calls itself Assyrians are the Iraqi Nestorians and some Chaldeans. You are talking nonsense and no one from our community supports your illusion. 145.222.94.129 (talk) 08:57, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
- Support, I agree with the proposal. The term "Syriac" is not exclusively synonymous with "Assyrian" and is often used in broader contexts that include Aramean and Chaldean identities as well. As noted in the target article, several groups of Near-Eastern (Semitic) origin—Arameans, Assyrians, Chaldeans, and Arameans use "Syriac" as a self-designation. The academic distinction between Syriac and Assyrian, along with the usage of Syriac as both an exonym and endonym for Aramean Christians, supports redirecting to the more inclusive "Terms for Syriac Christians" rather than a narrower ethnic designation. Until a dedicated article on modern Arameans exists, this redirect better reflects the current scholarship and self-identifications! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kivercik (talk • contribs) 15:32, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
- Comment: @Wlaak: I have tagged the redirect. For future reference, please see WP:RFDHOWTO regarding how to tag redirects with the {{Rfd}} template ... since this edit of yours does not seem like the resulting template usage per the instructions listed at WP:RFDHOWTO. Steel1943 (talk) 22:37, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
- thank you! Wlaak (talk) 16:32, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
- Retarget as nominator. Wlaak (talk) 16:32, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
- Retarget. "Syriac(s)" should not be treated as a synonym of "Assyrian(s)". Syriac is primarily a linguistic term. Its use an ethnic term (as opposed to 'Syrian') is relatively recent . Srnec (talk) 17:47, 12 May 2025 (UTC)
- Retarget Not a single source claim Assyrians to be the lone representatives for Syriacs. Therefore this is a strongly misguiding feature and thus, a more adept retarget would be Terms for Syriac Christians. 777network (talk) 22:00, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
- The term has different usages, but there has not been a disambiguation page (regardless of a primary topic). I have drafted a dab at the redirect by copying the content of Syriac, and looking for only entries of "Syriacs". Ideally this should be an article, and could use content from Terms for Syriac Christians, which is extremely broad. It could also source from our meta page Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Assyrian/Chaldean/Syriac) (after adding citations), which was also written after plenty of discussion. Jay 💬 17:34, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: A draft disambiguation page has been written on the nominated redirect.
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- Retarget to Syriac (DAB page) IMO, "Syriacs" is a plural term of "Syriac", and therefore it should be moved to more correct article giving that "Syriac" is a primary topic for the plural equivalent. 114.10.26.1 (talk) 23:47, 25 May 2025 (UTC)
Postgaardida
- Postgaardida → Postgaardi (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
According to the article on Postgaardia, Postgaardida is not monotypic and has more than 1 genus (Postgaardi and Calkinsia). Alfa-ketosav (talk) 07:58, 11 April 2025 (UTC)
Additional notes: A 2020 study also mentions Calkinsia as part of Postgaardida: Kolisko M, Flegontova O, Karnkowska A, Lax G, Maritz JM, Pánek T, Táborský P, Carlton JM, Čepička I, Aleš H, Julius L, Simpson AG, Tai V (2020). "EukRef-excavates: seven curated SSU ribosomal RNA gene databases". Database. 2020 (baaa080). doi:10.1093/database/baaa080. PMC 7678783. Alfa-ketosav (talk) 08:02, 11 April 2025 (UTC)
- What would you like to be done with this redirect? Jay 💬 08:15, 18 April 2025 (UTC)
- I would like to either turn it into an article or delete it (sorry, I don't want to turn it into an extremely short stub like many of the articles about protistology, e. g. Vahlkampfiidae or Trichomonadidae only contains a sentence about where it belongs, a list of genera, a list of related articles, a reference list and a list of further reading, but no (or a minimal amount of) more details; articles like these are called substubs in my main WP). Other articles merely contain a taxobox, the sentence "X is a Y in Z" with 1 reference, where X is the name of the clade, Y the name of the taxonomic rank, Z the name of the group containing X, with or without the taxonomic rank. Alfa-ketosav (talk) 08:37, 25 April 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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- retarget to Postgaardia where a sublist for it exists -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 22:57, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Relisting comment: Retarget or delete? (Redirects can be transition into articles at any time.)
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Oops, I forgot to say that retargeting to Postgaardia is also OK for me. Alfa-ketosav (talk) 20:08, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
Kunal Singh Rathore
- Kunal Singh Rathore → List of 2023 Indian Premier League personnel changes (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not a suitable target; The page does not describe much about the player. Vestrian24Bio 03:16, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
- Keep "Not much" is a good target unless there is a better one. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 11:23, 19 April 2025 (UTC).
- Keep Wait until has established more notability Servite et contribuere (talk) 11:41, 26 April 2025 (UTC)
- Retarget: more information about him at Rajasthan Royals#Current squad. The-Pope (talk) 16:08, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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- Delete (or, I guess, restore and send to AfD if you're someone who thinks that's necessary) in favor of search showing all of the multiple mentions of this person each with too little substance to warrant a redirect rather than arbitrarily choosing one. * Pppery * it has begun... 04:04, 28 April 2025 (UTC)
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- Restore and AfD per Pppery. Kunal Rathore is mentioned in several articles, and Rajasthan cricket team § Current squad is a better target than the current or suggested targets. There is no best target. Jay 💬 13:40, 13 May 2025 (UTC)
- Restore. Per [4], it looks like he played a match in the Indian Premier League. That's a credible claim of notability. As always with my restore !votes, I oppose a procedural AfD. It should be left to someone who still wants to pursue deletion and is able to nominate it with a proper rationale. -- Tavix (talk) 23:45, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Boq
- Boq → List of Oz characters (created by Baum)#Boq (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Retarget to Tin Woodman#The Tin Man in later fiction. Boq is a minor character in the original The Wonderful Wizard of Oz novel; he was later reappropriated into a different character in Wicked, where he plays a substantial role and is combined with the character of the Tin Woodman. Hence, the Wicked character is the primary topic, not the Wizard of Oz character who was barely in the novel. InfiniteNexus (talk) 17:49, 3 April 2025 (UTC)
- Retarget to BOQ. Perhaps you could modify that disambig page to add the Wicked character (having never seen Wicked, I don't feel qualified to do it). Plant🌱man (talk) 14:29, 4 April 2025 (UTC)
- Keep, the current target addresses both uses of the character. The proposed target does not. -- Tavix (talk) 16:05, 4 April 2025 (UTC)
- @Tavix could we not add a hat note at the proposed target? Plant🌱man (talk) 16:13, 4 April 2025 (UTC)
- I've added one at the current target. -- Tavix (talk) 17:12, 4 April 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you. Plant🌱man (talk) 18:11, 4 April 2025 (UTC)
- I've added one at the current target. -- Tavix (talk) 17:12, 4 April 2025 (UTC)
- @Tavix additionally, a google search for “Boq” gives the Wicked character as one of its primary results. Plant🌱man (talk) 16:14, 4 April 2025 (UTC)
- Which is why the current target should be kept. Two of the three paragraphs are dedicated to Wicked. -- Tavix (talk) 17:12, 4 April 2025 (UTC)
- I do understand that; however, it’s evidently not the primary topic. Additionally, I could see someone typing, e.g. the abbreviation for “Bill of quantities” or “Bank of Queensland” as “boq”; hence, why I’m suggesting to Retarget to the dab page. I do type abbreviations in lowercase sometimes. Plant🌱man (talk) 18:10, 4 April 2025 (UTC)
- The initialisms are BOQ (or BoQ), not Boq. They are therefore not a factor in determining a primary topic for Boq. Because it's incorrect, I have no issue giving anyone searching in that fashion an extra click to get to the disambiguation. -- Tavix (talk) 19:04, 4 April 2025 (UTC)
- And the content there doesn't even belong. List of Oz characters (created by Baum) is about characters in the Oz books who were created by L. Frank Baum. Wicked is an unofficial prequel that was not authorized by the Baum estate and therefore not part of the canonical series; not only that, but the version of Boq in Wicked was created by Gregory Maguire, not Baum. InfiniteNexus (talk) 19:42, 4 April 2025 (UTC)
- The content there belongs—the scope of this list is Oz characters created by Baum, it's not strictly limited to Baum's novels. Most sections include post-Baum appearances where relevant (eg: Return to Oz, The Muppets' Wizard of Oz). That said, it may be better to restore article given the recent interest in the character thanks to the film(s). -- Tavix (talk) 20:17, 4 April 2025 (UTC)
- I do understand that; however, it’s evidently not the primary topic. Additionally, I could see someone typing, e.g. the abbreviation for “Bill of quantities” or “Bank of Queensland” as “boq”; hence, why I’m suggesting to Retarget to the dab page. I do type abbreviations in lowercase sometimes. Plant🌱man (talk) 18:10, 4 April 2025 (UTC)
- Which is why the current target should be kept. Two of the three paragraphs are dedicated to Wicked. -- Tavix (talk) 17:12, 4 April 2025 (UTC)
- @Tavix could we not add a hat note at the proposed target? Plant🌱man (talk) 16:13, 4 April 2025 (UTC)
- Retarget to BOQ. In my searches Bill of quantities is the closest thing to a primary topic, with the Bank of Queensland also prominent in results. Of those results using the "Boq" capitalisation, the Wicked character is the only encyclopaedic result in the first five pages (3 hits, one of which is NSFW fan fiction). Unfortunately I don't know of a case-sensitive general purpose search engine. The dab page should be improved to cover the Wicked character regardless of the outcome of this RfD. Thryduulf (talk) 16:49, 4 April 2025 (UTC)
- Note WP:DIFFCAPS. -- Tavix (talk) 17:12, 4 April 2025 (UTC)
- I explicitly addressed capitalisation in my comment. Thryduulf (talk) 00:25, 5 April 2025 (UTC)
- I'm aware:
Of those results using the "Boq" capitalisation, the Wicked character is the only encyclopaedic result in the first five pages
. The "Boq" capitalisation is the one being discussed, so you make a clear claim for the Wicked character as the primary topic for the capitalisation in question. -- Tavix (talk) 03:12, 5 April 2025 (UTC)
- I'm aware:
- I explicitly addressed capitalisation in my comment. Thryduulf (talk) 00:25, 5 April 2025 (UTC)
The dab page should be improved to cover the Wicked character
:Done Plant🌱man (talk) 06:18, 5 April 2025 (UTC)
- Note WP:DIFFCAPS. -- Tavix (talk) 17:12, 4 April 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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- Retarget to dab page then both Oz-ite characters can be listed -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 06:41, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
- Retarget to BOQ as there are several plausible targets in that dab --Lenticel (talk) 04:46, 16 April 2025 (UTC)
- Keep per Tavix per DIFFCAPS, and as the current target addresses the Wicked part better than the nom's proposal. It's certainly a disadvantage having a 3-letter name, for it to be seen more of an abbreviation, however Wikipedia should not be limited by case-insensitive search engines. Jay 💬 15:13, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Springfield Missouri Temple
- Springfield Missouri Temple → The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in Missouri#Temples (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Although it is the official name of the Temple, it is the only Temple of Worship in Springfield, Missouri. Possibly created from an LDS member's point of view (Which to them would be the primary topic for Temple). It might not be the primary topic for non LDS members (Disclaimer: I am not a member, never have been). The term could also possibly refer to this Buddhist Temple: [5] Servite et contribuere (talk) 08:31, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
- Keep. Looking on google for the exact phrase the LDS temple is overwhelmingly the primary topic - on the first seven pages of results only two hits were not for that use, and they were keyword-spammed Etsy listings. A hatnote can be added to the Buddhist temple if we have any content (the only place of worship are mentioned on the Springfield, Missouri article is St. John's Episcopal Church (Springfield, Missouri) and that's only because it's a historic building). Thryduulf (talk) 10:29, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
- Thryduulf Keep in mind that "Springfield Missouri Temple" is the official name of the Temple Servite et contribuere (talk) 13:23, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
- That's another reason to keep the redirect as-is (albeit not a strong one). Redirects should take readers to the content they are looking for, and the evidence is that they are almost certainly looking for the LDS' temple. Thryduulf (talk) 18:19, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
- Thryduulf Keep in mind that "Springfield Missouri Temple" is the official name of the Temple Servite et contribuere (talk) 13:23, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
- Servite et contribuere, The link you provided calls itself the "Dinh Quang Buddhist Temple". I couldn't find anywhere where it called itself the "Springfield Missouri Temple". "[City] [State/country] Temple" has been the naming convention for LDS temples since the LDS Church adopted that naming convention in 1975. I don't know how many faiths have temple in Tokyo Japan, but the "Tokyo Japan Temple" currently refers to the LDS Temple in Tokyo within Wikipedia and has done so for nearly 20 years. I also see no statements or references of any other "Springfield Missouri Temple" within Mainspace Wikipedia other than the LDS Temple. Therefore, it does not appear a disambiguation page is needed at this time. Thanks! Dmm1169 (talk) 03:17, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
- Keep LDS temples are usually named by their geographical location without punctuation (e.g. Mesa Arizona Temple), so this is a proper redirect for its use and other temples such as those of Shriners or the Masonics would be disambiguated by normally punctuated redirects which could be handled by hatnotes in-article. Nathannah • 📮 21:45, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
All India Council for Technical Education (India)
- All India Council for Technical Education (India) → All India Council for Technical Education (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Seems like a very unlikely search term, with the repeated "India" at the end. And if you type it in you get the correct link anyway long before you reach the end of the string. Fram (talk) 07:01, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
- Comment this was created as an article but tagged for A10 speedy deletion. Justlettersandnumbers redirected it instead saying it "seems to be a plausible redirect". I'm not certain whether I'd describe is plausible or not, but it's very definitely harmless. Thryduulf (talk) 10:43, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
- No opinion, it just doesn't matter one way or the other – our time would be better spent on more pressing matters. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 13:12, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
- Delete Implausible search term मल्ल (talk) 13:19, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
- Keep Unambiguous and harmless Servite et contribuere (talk) 13:24, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
- Keep, for the same reasons as Servite et contribuere. SirPenguin25 (talk) 15:08, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
Thousand Faces
- Thousand Faces → Don Diablo discography (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Retarget. The book titled The Hero with a Thousand Faces seems more likely to be searched than the song. I found this redirect by trying to find the book and only remembering the "thousand faces" part. Number of edits, watchers, and page views seems to support the book as being the more relevant redirect. There is another redirect Thousand Faces (song) to take care of the song. closhund/talk/ 06:50, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
- Also, when I edited the redirect page, it said there was an error. I don't know what the error is, I just tried to follow the instructions at WP:RFDHOWTO closhund/talk/ 07:00, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
FedEx Express Flight 3609
- FedEx Express Flight 3609 → Newark Liberty International Airport#Accidents and incidents (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Redirect exists following a merge decided at WP:Articles for deletion/FedEx Express Flight 3609 and endorsed at WP:Deletion review/Log/2025 March 13#FedEx Express Flight 3609. However, information about the minor incident no longer exists on the target page as it fails the WP:AIRCRASH criteria for inclusion in the airport page. For the same reasons, the incident is not mentioned at FedEx Express#Major incidents and accidents which might have been an alternative target. Rosbif73 (talk) 05:55, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
- Delete, as it is no longer mentioned on the target page. SirPenguin25 (talk) 15:18, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
Template:CC-SA-3.0
- Template:CC-SA-3.0 → Template:CC BY-SA 3.0 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
CC SA is a different license from CC BY-SA, making this fall under WP:RDELETE number 2. Only one "real" incoming link, and zero transclusions of the template "shortcut". HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 03:43, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
- Comment you could have boldly made this its own template if you hadn't RfD'd it instead. Duckmather (talk) 05:56, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
- I could've been more clear: CC SA 3.0 doesn't exist. There is only one version of CC SA: CC SA 1.0. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 18:20, 25 May 2025 (UTC)
Wikipedia:LOSSOFEDITINGPRIVILAGES

Software Group
The phrase, "Software Group", does not currently appear in the target article, IBM, and it sounds awfully ambiguous to me. BD2412 T 19:49, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
- Delete The relevant section appears to have been removed. I concur that this phrase seems ambiguous. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 23:15, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
- Delete as vague --Lenticel (talk) 00:58, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nom, very ambiguous TruenoCity (talk) 11:49, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
Advanced DC Motors
- Advanced DC Motors → Traction motor (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Ambiguous term. Maybe DC motor is a better target, but this is an unlikely search term. TruenoCity (talk) 17:37, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
German Film Museum
- German Film Museum → Deutsche Kinemathek (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This redirect is incorrect. It would have to redirect to (or be the title of) "Deutsches Filmmuseum", which doesn't have an article in the English Wikipedia yet. I already tried to speedydelte it, but it was declined although the redirect is clearly redirecting to the wrong article. Therefore, there actually shouldn't be much to discuss. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maxeto0910 (talk • contribs) 15:26, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
- I've had a look at the article it's targeting and done a bit of an update and cleanup there, as well as checking and fixing articles linking to it. Agree that it could be deleted for now, although it would be nice to have at least a stub article on the other museum. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 01:35, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
- It has to be deleted until we have an article about it, as the current link target is just wrong. If you want to write a short stub article about the Deutsches Filmmuseum and correct this redirect by linking to it, you have my support though. Maxeto0910 (talk) 13:55, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
- Comment/opinion: The target of this redirect is clearly wrong.
- However, the correct target de:Deutsches Filmmuseum in the German Wikipedia has currently the following text in it [my rough and somewhat shortened and modified translation from German]: The articles Deutsches Filmmuseum and de:DFF – Deutsches Filminstitut & Filmmuseum overlap thematically. You are welcome to take part in the redundancy discussion or help directly to merge the articles. In de:DFF – Deutsches Filminstitut & Filmmuseum, it says: The Deutsches Filminstitut & Filmmuseum e. V. has been a publicly funded film research institution based in Frankfurt am Main since 1949. In 2006, the Deutsches Filmmuseum, also founded in Frankfurt in 1984, was merged with the Filminstitut, but the original founding name Deutsches Filminstitut e. V. was only abandoned in 2019. The homepage www.dff.film/ also shows the title DFF – Deutsches Filminstitut & Filmmuseum. And: the German Wikipedia page de:DFF – Deutsches Filminstitut & Filmmuseum has its counterpart in the English Wikipedia: en:Deutsches Filminstitut.
- Therefore, I suggest modifying the redirect to the target en:Deutsches Filminstitut.
- --Cyfal (talk) 11:54, 10 May 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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- Comment. I notified of this discussion at Talk:Deutsche Kinemathek. Justjourney (talk | contribs) 20:57, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Notified of this discussion at the suggested target Deutsches Filminstitut.
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Filmi music
- Filmi music → Filmi (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Filmi song → Filmi (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Filmi Songs → Hindi film music (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Filmi appears to be music in Indian cinema in general, whereas Hindi film music is only one part of Indian cinema. Filmi devotional songs too talks only about Hindi songs. Filmi qawwali includes Pakistan and Bangladesh as well, while Filmi pop appears to be Pakistan-specific. Apart from the redirects needing to be consistent, should we also make one of these a disambiguation page, in case Filmi is not seen as the WP:BCA umbrella topic? Jay 💬 10:40, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
Citation templates
- Citation templates → Wikipedia:Citation templates (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
WP:XNR. I reproduce my comment a related discussion:
...my searches before making this nomination showed that Wikipedia's citation templates are far from the PTOPIC for that title. In fact, it is far more likely that a reader searching "citation template" is looking for an article (or section) on something like this. Yesterday enwiki was viewed by 77.7 M unique devices, but we only have 118,000 active users, and I'd hope most of those know enough to not search "citation template" in mainspace hoping to end up at WP:CITET.
While helping new users is a worthy goal, we should put our readers first, especially in this case where the word does not refer unambiguously to Wikipedia (unlike something like "redirects for discussion" which is unambiguous). Cremastra (u — c) 23:48, 12 May 2025 (UTC)
- Retarget to Citation#Styles with a hatnote to current target. That is where I would expect the redirect to go as a non-Wikipedian. Ca talk to me! 04:23, 13 May 2025 (UTC)
- Delete as XNR to pipeworking not actually showing readership wanting citatin skeletons/examples of various citation sytles. OR weak retarget per Ca to Citation#Styles -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 21:26, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
- Retarget and add a hatnote per Ca. This is a useful and plausible search term for both Wikipedia and non-Wikipedia uses for which we have relevant targets so whichever way you look at it deletion is unjustifiable. The encyclopaedic uses take precedence over internal uses so retargetting there is best. Thryduulf (talk) 23:55, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Xbox Series X
- Xbox Series X → Xbox Series X and Series S#Xbox Series X (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Should this redirect to a section? The article is about the two, but very similar consoles. Jumping to the section skips an informative introduction. Same with Xbox Series S and variations. Stumbling9655 (talk) 17:48, 12 May 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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- Derefine(?). Since the separate section only talks about the hardware, readers are best served by being directed to the lead that covers a more broader view of the topic. Xbox Series S and other redirects to their respective sections should be bundled in. mwwv converse∫edits 19:03, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
- Retarget to just the article per Mwwv. Readers are better served by seeing the lead section first for both redirects (and any similar ones) in this case. Skynxnex (talk) 19:30, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
- Retarget all that's in the section is mostly just its hardware and doesn't tell the reader any information on the console itself, would be better to redirect to the top Gonna eatpizza (talk) 14:08, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
Linguistic elaboration
- Linguistic elaboration → Abstand and ausbau languages (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not in target page. When I opened a discussion at Linguistics WikiProject in late 2023 (archive), no one else found anything in the literature or proposed any possible incoming wikilinks to make use of this redirect, and creator also supported opening this discussion. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 05:46, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
- 'Delete per nom, but with no prejudice to recreation if we ever do get content using this term. Nothing seems to have changed since the 2023 discussion. Thryduulf (talk) 10:50, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
A GLOSSARY of the Construction, Decoration and Use of Arms and Armor IN ALL COUNTRIES AND IN ALL TIMES
- A GLOSSARY of the Construction, Decoration and Use of Arms and Armor IN ALL COUNTRIES AND IN ALL TIMES → A Glossary of the Construction, Decoration, and Use of Arms and Armor in All Countries and in All Times (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Delete. No apparent reason for this capitalisation, and it seems very unlikely that people would search or link this redirect with its combination of Normal Capitals and ALL CAPS. Nyttend (talk) 02:03, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
- I am indifferent, but the redirect had been linked at Dhal (shield); I just bypassed the redirect. Citations use Wikipedia's house style anyway, which is Title Case. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 06:10, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
- Weak keep. I can see where someone would get this from looking at the book. With most editions of the book the "glossary" and the "in all countries and in all times" are written in capital case, while the rest is not. PARAKANYAA (talk) 08:43, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
- See this Amazon listing [6] PARAKANYAA (talk) 08:44, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
- Keep per Parakanyaa. This is an unusual capitalisation but it does directly match that used on the book's cover making it plausible. Thryduulf (talk) 10:51, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
Zldksn flqmtm
- Zldksn flqmtm → Keanu Reeves (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Recently created from the QWERTY equivalents of the Hangul keyboard. WP:PANDORA; we can't have Hangul->English redirects for every article. Anerdw (talk) 01:42, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
- Uhh, what? I see no reason to redirect "Qwerty uiop" to this anglophone actor's article, let alone the comparable phrase for the keyboard in another writing system not used in English. And his article doesn't mention Korea at all, except a brief reference to appearing in a film adapted from something originally produced in South Korea. Finally, if I take the title of his Korean article, ko:키아누 리브스, and run it through this transliteration website, I'm told that it becomes "kianu ribeuseu". Delete. Nyttend (talk) 02:08, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
- Delete just like Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 May 6#Zldksnflqmtm. Adumbrativus (talk) 02:11, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per Adumbrativus. Enix150 (talk) 18:30, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
- Delete as confusing at best --Lenticel (talk) 00:59, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:FORRED and not per WP:PANDORA (which is actively misleading nonsense). Thryduulf (talk) 10:52, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
Template:Collapsoe bottom
- Template:Collapsoe bottom → Template:Collapse bottom (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Template:Collapsoe top → Template:Collapse top (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Implausible typo; zero incoming links besides Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser/Template redirects (which tells AWB to automatically bypass links to this "shortcut"). Delete per WP:AFFINITY. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 00:47, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
- I also support deleting collapsoe top. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 03:44, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
- Delete. Unlikely typo. It's a template, so incoming links from outside Wikipedia are unlikely; the only internal links to this page are the one noted by nom and new links generated from this discussion. Anerdw (talk) 01:27, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
- Delete. And how about list Template:Collapsoe top too? I would but I'm not sure of the proper procedures (like disabling the redirect). 🌳 Balsam Cottonwood (talk) ✝ 10:14, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
- Bundled Template:Collapsoe top with this nomination. Dsuke1998AEOS (talk) 13:55, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
- I believe there were once links that used this upon transfer from some other wiki, can’t remember if it was another language or collapse alternative E. It’s unlikely that problem will come up again, so as the page creator I agree with deletion. CFCF (talk) 14:48, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
- FWIW the only hits google finds are OCR errors or Latin texts, but it finds nothing (other than this redirect) on any site with a wikipedia.org domain. Thryduulf (talk) 10:19, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
- I believe there were once links that used this upon transfer from some other wiki, can’t remember if it was another language or collapse alternative E. It’s unlikely that problem will come up again, so as the page creator I agree with deletion. CFCF (talk) 14:48, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
- Bundled Template:Collapsoe top with this nomination. Dsuke1998AEOS (talk) 13:55, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
- Delete both per above --Lenticel (talk) 00:59, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
Starburst (cocktail)
- Starburst (cocktail) → Vodka Red Bull (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Vodka Red Bull doesn't meantion the word "Starburst" in it at all. A quick google search doesn't show many results besides TikTok and the like. The redirect isn't linked from any other pages and is used a few times a week at maximum.
I propose deleting this redirect unless a source can be found to support it, in which case it'd be best to add the information to the Vodka Red Bull page and keep the redirect. FireDragons52 (talk) 21:38, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
Wikipedia:WOP
- Wikipedia:WOP → Wikipedia:WikiProject World's Oldest People (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
wop is an ethnic slur in several varieties of English. Even though the target WikiProject is marked as defunct, I think we should get rid of this grossly offensive redirect.
I propose renaming to something inoffensive like WP:WOLD. I have no strong feelings on what the new name should be, and would concur with any other suitable suggestion.
The redirect is linked from 133 pages and its Talk Page from 43. I suggest a bot-renaming to preserve links (outside my skillset) if the consensus is that this redirect be renamed. Narky Blert (talk) 21:13, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
- Keep.
"... I think we should get rid of this grossly offensive redirect."
The redirect isn't offensive. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 21:27, 19 May 2025 (UTC)- It may not be in Lutz, Florida, but it sure as hell is in UK. Narky Blert (talk) 21:42, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
- Keep. It's only offensive if it's used as a slur. In this context it's not one. -- Tavix (talk) 21:54, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
- Delete The project is defunct, and there is precedent here for deleting per Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 December 15#WP:Fag, WP:FAG, and WP:FAGFP. I don't see any harm in deleting, and any links can be replaced as the nominator suggests. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 22:32, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per precedent at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 December 15#WP:Fag, WP:FAG, and WP:FAGFP and because the project is defunct. Unless they're just really big fans of 2011 songs no one remembers. --Schützenpanzer (Talk) 16:57, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
- Keep per Tavix. There are huge numbers of sequences of letters that can be offensive to somebody in some contexts but which are completely innocuous in others. If anyone is actually using this as a way to be racist or whatever then deal with them for being racist, don't disrupt the project (breaking links is disruptive) just on the off-chance that somebody might misuses it in the future. Thryduulf (talk) 10:10, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
- Keep per Tavix. WOP is the most logical abbreviation for it. (And besides, Wikipedia is not censored.) 🦬 Beefaloe 🦬 (talk) 10:52, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
- Keep the nominator is being WP:POINTy. The nomination fails WP:SMALLDIFFERENCES; and the target isn't an insult. WP:NOTCENSORED we do not censor spellings just because homographs exist for other uses exist. The target is easily abbreviated via initialism as such a spelling. If the nominator wants to add a shortcut, feel free to create a new additional shortcut. -- 65.93.183.249 (talk) 07:14, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
KIPP: Lead College Prep Charter School
- KIPP: Lead College Prep Charter School → Gary, Indiana (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target Schützenpanzer (Talk) 20:20, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
House dust mite taxa
- Dermatophagoides farinae → House dust mite (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Dermatophagoides pteronyssinus → House dust mite (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- American house dust mite → House dust mite (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- European house dust mite → House dust mite (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Mayne's house dust mite → House dust mite (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Euroglyphus maynei → House dust mite (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Dermatophagoides microceras → House dust mite (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Dermatophagoides → House dust mite (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Most of these are circular redirects on the page. Per WP:NSPECIES, taxa that meet those guidelines should be redlinked by default. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 20:09, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
- Support. To encourage article creation. Just picking Dermatophagoides farinae off the top of that list, there are six free-standing articles in other-language Wikipedias. Narky Blert (talk) 21:25, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
- (post-!vote) Comment. A redlink could and should be {{ill}} linked. Narky Blert (talk) 21:37, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:REDYES. --Schützenpanzer (Talk) 22:10, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
- @LaundryPizza03, Narky Blert, and Schützenpanzer: I translated the Spanish page under the redirect for Dermatophagoides farinae. That one can go blue right away. BD2412 T 20:40, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
- I have also done the same for Dermatophagoides pteronyssinus and Euroglyphus maynei. Cheers! BD2412 T 18:52, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks for your work Schützenpanzer (Talk) 01:29, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
- I've started a stub for Dermatophagoides. Plantdrew (talk) 16:59, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks for your work Schützenpanzer (Talk) 01:29, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
- I have also done the same for Dermatophagoides pteronyssinus and Euroglyphus maynei. Cheers! BD2412 T 18:52, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
MOS:V
MOS namespace is for the Manual of Style, which the target is unrelated to. Either delete or retarget to a relevant part of MOS. I am bad at usernames (talk | contribs) 18:00, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
- Delete, It seems to me this redirect is more confusing than useful, and retargeting to an MOS page would be equally confusing. Special:WhatLinksHere/MOS:V shows virtually no usage. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 01:37, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
- Delete not a manual of style page. --Schützenpanzer (Talk) 22:08, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per above --Lenticel (talk) 01:19, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
- Delete. Verifiability is a policy, not part of the MOS. Kaito-san (talk/contribs) 02:15, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
- Comment. The MoS pages that begin with V are Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Video (a disambiguation), Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Video games, and Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Visual arts. -- Tavix (talk) 21:23, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
- Delete, not a manual of style page. Of the 3 pages mentioned by Tavix, the ones that aren't disambiguation pages are actually VG and VA, not just V. 🦬 Beefaloe 🦬 (talk) 10:49, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
Dora Barlaz
- Dora Barlaz → Dora (Dora the Explorer) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Delete. Wrong name for the fictional character. There are no sources that mention Barlaz as Dora the Explorer's surname. The only other mentions of this name on Wikipedia are in references under two articles, which reveal this redirect's title as the name of a non-notable author, not a fictional character (whose proper name is Dora Marquez). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:447:CA00:8400:25C8:4CB5:60DB:FBBD (talk • contribs) 08:29, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
- Delete this held an unsourced and most likely false claim that this was the name of a science teacher who inspired Dora, but the only other mention of that I could find is on this BJAODN page. Hoax? --Schützenpanzer (Talk) 18:27, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
- Speedy Delete Unless there is an actual notable person with the name or that there is a source that Dora starts using this as her name, and that is unlikely due to Spanish Naming Conventions. Her real name is Doraline Panfilia López Márquez. I also Just created a redirect of her full name. Is this a possible hoax? Servite et contribuere (talk) 04:32, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
- Comment: Just to note that I added the RfD tag to this redirect since it wasn't tagged by the nom. CycloneYoris talk! 10:20, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
Nicholas Logan
- Nicholas Logan → Organ Trail (film) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Michael Abbott Jr. → Organ Trail (film) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Olivia Grace Applegate → Organ Trail (film) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
I would like to discuss deleting these three redirects. These three actors have other works that (at a glance) they are equally as known for (or even more so) as they are for Organ Trail (film). There is no information on any of these actors in the article, and they could be standalone articles, so I think this counts as WP:RFD#D10, but please correct my understanding if I am mistaken. IndigoManedWolf (talk) 06:32, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
- Blank, so that people are encouraged to contribute to the article. Otherwise I would also be okay with delete. Easternsahara (talk) 17:58, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
- I apologize, I'm new to RfD, so I'm not sure what blanking entails (what is being blanked?), but it sounds like something that I would also find agreeable. IndigoManedWolf (talk) 03:54, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
- If you are unsure what it means, how would you find it agreeable? Sorry, very strange response imho.--CNMall41 (talk) 03:58, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
- Specifically the "so that people are encouraged to contribute to the article", which is in general something I find agreeable. I would like to learn more about what exactly it means in this case, but if that is the result then I find it agreeable. I agree it does sound strange now that I reread it. IndigoManedWolf (talk) 04:00, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
- If you are unsure what it means, how would you find it agreeable? Sorry, very strange response imho.--CNMall41 (talk) 03:58, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
- I apologize, I'm new to RfD, so I'm not sure what blanking entails (what is being blanked?), but it sounds like something that I would also find agreeable. IndigoManedWolf (talk) 03:54, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
- Keep - "There is no information on any of these actors in the article" - Except there is. Absent their own page, a redirect is perfectly fine as they are associated as actors in the film. --CNMall41 (talk) 22:27, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
- I'm sorry, that was hyperbolic when it shouldn't have been. Yes, it does have information on those three actors, specifically the names of the characters they played, and for two of them a mention that they were included in the cast of the film. IndigoManedWolf (talk) 03:53, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
- Appreciate it. Since it would not qualify under that criteria, are you going to withdraw the nomination at this point? --CNMall41 (talk) 03:58, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
- I did not intend to rely on that specific criterion, and I would like for other editors to weigh in with their own judgement. I also felt at the time that "virtually no information" included as little information as simply stating the name of a character an actor played, although I would again appreciate hearing from other editors about what is "virtually no information". IndigoManedWolf (talk) 04:05, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
- Hearing from other editors is fine. But, what is your contention for why it needs deleted if it would not qualify under the initial criteria you cited? Those reviewing would need to know why you feel it needs deleted (e.g., the specific guideline it violates). --CNMall41 (talk) 04:08, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
- I apologize, I know I owe you a proper response as you are the one who created the redirects but I'm not able to give one right now. I will try in the morning. For now I will say that (in addition to the criterion I listed) as a reader, the redirect for Nicholas Logan felt jarring, and I would think similarly of the other two. I did not nominate Lukas Jann since, unlike the others, it looked like this is arguably the work he is most known for. IndigoManedWolf (talk) 04:43, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
- Again, very strange response. Is what it is but I would advise not nominating anything for deletion unless you have proper rationale. It can become disruptive. --CNMall41 (talk) 20:00, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
- I apologize, I know I owe you a proper response as you are the one who created the redirects but I'm not able to give one right now. I will try in the morning. For now I will say that (in addition to the criterion I listed) as a reader, the redirect for Nicholas Logan felt jarring, and I would think similarly of the other two. I did not nominate Lukas Jann since, unlike the others, it looked like this is arguably the work he is most known for. IndigoManedWolf (talk) 04:43, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
- Also, you did not say "virtually no information" in your nonimation, you stated "no information." Just pointing out the contradiction. If they qualify for standalone articles, then create them. We don't delete redirects just because a page has not yet been created. I am confused all around about the rationale of the nomination. --CNMall41 (talk) 04:10, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
- Hearing from other editors is fine. But, what is your contention for why it needs deleted if it would not qualify under the initial criteria you cited? Those reviewing would need to know why you feel it needs deleted (e.g., the specific guideline it violates). --CNMall41 (talk) 04:08, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
- I did not intend to rely on that specific criterion, and I would like for other editors to weigh in with their own judgement. I also felt at the time that "virtually no information" included as little information as simply stating the name of a character an actor played, although I would again appreciate hearing from other editors about what is "virtually no information". IndigoManedWolf (talk) 04:05, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
- Appreciate it. Since it would not qualify under that criteria, are you going to withdraw the nomination at this point? --CNMall41 (talk) 03:58, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
Square root of 25
- Square root of 25 → 5 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Square root of 16 → 4 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The purpose of redirects isn't to be a calculator. Readers shouldn't expect this redirect to exist, especially since Square root of 24 etc. do not. Other than the bare fact that 5 squared is 25, a reader directed to the article 5 finds no content having any specific relevance to 5 qua the square root of 25, only content consisting of miscellaneous unrelated facts. Indeed a reader would find more information of actual relevance at 25 (number). See also the current RFD for Square root of 4 and Square root of 9. The redirects for square root of 16 and 25 were newly created. Adumbrativus (talk) 05:52, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
- Nuke from orbit...and people wonder why we cite WP:PANDORA 35.139.154.158 (talk) 14:10, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
- Keep Cheap and unambiguous. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 19:34, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
- WP:CHEAP is not a reason for keeping...it's a counterargument against complaints about burdens on server resources, which no one has made. On the other hand, these are ambiguous, because while they could redirect to the value, they could just as reasonably redirect to Square root § Square roots of positive integers. And as I said in the other RFD, why stop here? Why not have Square root of 2209 -> 47 (number)? Why not 47-((2^2)*7) -> 19 (number)? Surely that's unambiguous and cheap, right? The search utility is not a calculator. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 21:23, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
- These are not ambiguous, as the "square root of 25" is only ever "5." The same goes for "square root of 16" and "4." Anything else is mathmatically impossible and incorrect. I would have no objection to creating similar redirects for whole integers. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 22:34, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
- But there's no encyclopedic information about "the square root of 16" at the "4" article, while the other article I mentioned has encyclopedic content about the overall concept of square roots of positive integers, so is a more appropriate encyclopedic target. And Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a calculator. To pretend otherwise is a misuse of the search feature.
Not so, because nonzero numbers have two square roots. -4 is also a square root of 16, for example. In the biz, we say that 4 is the principal square root. All that being said, this is still pretty damned useless as a redirect. But anyway, between that and the ambiguity, it should be deleted. Would you support a bot run to make "Square root of n" redirects for every article on integers we have. If someone did it by hand, would you support keeping them all anyway? 35.139.154.158 (talk) 22:52, 19 May 2025 (UTC)... the "square root of 25" is only ever "5." The same goes for "square root of 16" and "4." Anything else is mathmatically impossible and incorrect.
- Why shouldn't 4 say somewhere that 4 is, in fact, the square root of 16? BD2412 T 19:53, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
- But there's no encyclopedic information about "the square root of 16" at the "4" article, while the other article I mentioned has encyclopedic content about the overall concept of square roots of positive integers, so is a more appropriate encyclopedic target. And Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a calculator. To pretend otherwise is a misuse of the search feature.
- Personally I have no problem with redirecting Square root of 2209 to 47, though it seems kind of pointless. We get diminishing returns here, and I wouldn't personally create these past about the square roots of 9 or 16. But if you feel like making some bigger ones, knock yourself out. The other example of "47-((2^2)*7)" is utterly worthless; we don't need to turn Wikipedia's redirect engine into a full-featured calculator or make a redirect for every possible mathematical expression. –jacobolus (t) 18:28, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
- These are not ambiguous, as the "square root of 25" is only ever "5." The same goes for "square root of 16" and "4." Anything else is mathmatically impossible and incorrect. I would have no objection to creating similar redirects for whole integers. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 22:34, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
- WP:CHEAP is not a reason for keeping...it's a counterargument against complaints about burdens on server resources, which no one has made. On the other hand, these are ambiguous, because while they could redirect to the value, they could just as reasonably redirect to Square root § Square roots of positive integers. And as I said in the other RFD, why stop here? Why not have Square root of 2209 -> 47 (number)? Why not 47-((2^2)*7) -> 19 (number)? Surely that's unambiguous and cheap, right? The search utility is not a calculator. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 21:23, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
- Leaning keep. I can take or leave these, but I agree with Presidentman's point. Phrases like "Square root of 25" exist in the real world, and they will only ever mean one thing, so it does no harm to have them point there. Wikipedia is well-stocked with redirects to titles from much longer formulations (e.g., th ungainly Charles Philip Arthur George Mountbatten-Windsor and HRH The Prince Charles, Duke of Rothesay both redirect to Charles III). BD2412 T 19:50, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
- Keep as all of accurate, unambiguous and harmless. Deletion will not bring any benefits to anybody. Thryduulf (talk) 10:12, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
- Keep, optionally redirecting to a section where 5's property of being the square root of 25 is explicitly discussed, if there is one. Redirects are cheap and in this kind of case completely harmless. It's a huge waste of time discussing these. –jacobolus (t) 18:26, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
- Delete WP:POINTy creations based on Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2025_May_14#Square_root_of_9. There my argument for keeping doesn't apply, so this is arbitrary math just for the sake of math. * Pppery * it has begun... 19:11, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
- That is the main reason why me "keep" vote is a weak one. BD2412 T 19:38, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
Flabbiness
- Flabbiness → Obesity (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Flabby → wiktionary:flabby (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Either both should point to Wiktionary or both should point to an article. Note that there is also the concept of a flabby sheaf which we have content on. 1234qwer1234qwer4 23:42, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on which target these should go to?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Rusalkii (talk) 23:56, 24 April 2025 (UTC)
- Retarget flabbiness to Wiktionary per nom. The term can indicate fleshiness rather than obesity—a non-obese person can be flabby—and it can alternately mean weak or ineffective. Carguychris (talk) 20:08, 25 April 2025 (UTC)
- Retarget Flabby to an article, most likely where Flabbiness targets.
or weak delete both.I forgot the policy/essay, but it states that we should not be retargeting redirects to Wiktionary unless they have been repeatedly deleted and recreated, which these have not; one was created in 2006 and the other in 2007. Steel1943 (talk) 22:13, 25 April 2025 (UTC)- FWIW, {{Wiktionary hatnote}}s are possible. 1234qwer1234qwer4 15:45, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
- Struck out part of my stance, given the complications with the fact Flabby (wine) exists. Steel1943 (talk) 22:45, 16 May 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Rusalkii (talk) 22:32, 2 May 2025 (UTC)
- Note that just like flabby, flab has been a wiktionary redirect since 2017. But we also have Flabby (wine), and a singer who sang "Mambo Italiano". Jay 💬 15:05, 13 May 2025 (UTC)
- Delete I think Steel1943 is referring to the documentation at {{Wiktionary redirect}}. It's strict, laying out four criteria that need to be met. In my experience, these are frequently ignored, or one criterion is held to be good enough. I wish we wouldn't do that, or at least update the documentation to reflect actual practice.
- The rub seems to be in the "Readers search for it on Wikipedia." How much? Most editors would probably agree that a single view isn't enough. "Flabbiness" doesn't meet this bar, with less than a view per day in the linked period; "flabby", with 40 views, still has a weak case IMO.
- We could disambiguate Flabby, but it would be a weak one, pointing only to list entries. Flabbiness could go to the wine list entry, as the singer would not be referred to as such. I would prefer to delete both. --BDD (talk) 20:29, 16 May 2025 (UTC)
- Comment: The existence of Flabby (wine), mentioned by Jay, with no other titles of articles or redirects known as "Flabby" existing on Wikipedia means that per WP:PRECISE, deleting Flabby without also deleting Flabby (wine) is problematic. In other words, deletion of Flabby may not be an option that makes sense, and its alternative to deletion would have to be "retarget to where Flabby (wine) targets", which is currently Wine tasting descriptors#D–H. Steel1943 (talk) 22:39, 16 May 2025 (UTC)
- Good point. Might be better to retarget both to Wine tasting descriptors#D–H, then. --BDD (talk) 20:07, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Tavix (talk) 23:17, 18 May 2025 (UTC)- Retarget - Retarget both to Obesity with a hatnote to Wine tasting descriptors. --Jax 0677 (talk) 20:45, 25 May 2025 (UTC)
1927-28 Waratahs tour of the Britain Isles, France and Canada

1957-58 Australia rugby union tour of the Britain Isles, Ireland and France
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 May 26#1957-58 Australia rugby union tour of the Britain Isles, Ireland and France
Goa, Daman and Diu (India)
- Goa, Daman and Diu (India) → Goa, Daman and Diu (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Delete. An old (2009) but completely unneeded redirect. "Goa, Daman and Diu" was an Indian union territory named for its three component regions; obviously there's nowhere else in the world with this name, so nobody would need to disambiguate it. And there's no naming convention whereby Indian states/territories use (India) in existing titles — you wouldn't encounter Uttar Pradesh (India) or Lakshadweep (India), and Sikkim (India) is a redirect — so nobody would see other state/territory articles using (India) and anticipate that this one would have it as a matter of course. Nyttend (talk) 21:53, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
- Keep as a harmless {{R from unnecessary disambiguation}}. Thryduulf (talk) 17:14, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
- Keep as above. Easternsahara (talk) 17:56, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
Doktors
This redirect, supposedly from a drug trade name, has no mention at the target. Doktor isn't a suitable target. Delete. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 20:14, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
- Keep, as a plausible alternative name. See JSTOR and PubChem; given how many trade names that drugs have, it would introduce concision issues to mandate mentioning every trade name in every pharmaceutical article. Sdrqaz (talk) 04:36, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
- Keep per Sdrqaz. StAnselm (talk) 14:58, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
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Mega Man II
- Mega Man II → Mega Man II (1991 video game) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
We should have consensus on the target of this redirect (or if it should be converted into a dab). From a contested technical request to move the article on the 1991 video game to the base page name (permalink):
Pointless disambiguator, despite its Roman numeral title being clearly distinguishable from the original NES game. MimirIsSmart (talk) 13:25, 25 April 2025 (UTC)
- @MimirIsSmart, weirdly enough, I think the redirect should go to WP:RFD—not for deletion, but for consensus on its target. Seems to have been the victim of a cut-and-paste move that was subsequently fixed—so an argument exists that Mega Man 2 should be the target as a de facto {{R from move}}; this is reflected by several retargets in the page history. I also wouldn't be surprised if there is consensus that WP:SMALLDETAILS doesn't apply and to create a disambiguation page instead. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 19:33, 25 April 2025 (UTC)
- The disambiguator is far from pointless. A casual reader seeing "Mega Man II" will think it's talking about the NES game that is 100x times as famous. Classic case where SMALLDETAILS doesn't work well. SnowFire (talk) 19:41, 25 April 2025 (UTC)
(above comments copied from technical move requests) Courtesy pinging @MimirIsSmart and SnowFire. Cheers, Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 07:28, 29 April 2025 (UTC)
- Comment Mega Man 2 says that it was styled "Mega Man II" but the box art pictured very clearly shows it using the Arabic numeral. Google hits for "Mega Man II" -Wikipedia show the 1991 Game Boy game as the most common use (of those where I can easily determine which is being referred to in the snippet) but not to the exclusion of results about the 1988 NES game. Searching fot "Mega Man 2" -Wikipedia is essentially the same in reverse: the NES game is the most common use (of those where I can easily tell), with a greater but not complete dominance than the Game Bay game has for the Roman Numeral. In both cases there are several results I can't tell which is being referred to from just the snippet (I've not looked further at any). The only two valid options seem to be either primary disambiguation with both 2 and II redirecting to the same dab page, or having the articles at Mega Man 2 for the NES and Mega Man II for the Game Boy. Thryduulf (talk) 12:03, 29 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oh, yeah, meant to mention earlier that I've notified Talk:Mega Man 2. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 15:04, 29 April 2025 (UTC)
- Disambiguate, there being 4 Mega Man TWO games, all of them should be disambiguated, and the base terms point to a disambiguation page; the 3 games with articles, and the mobile game listed at List of Mega Man video games; and the other numbered Mega Man should also be so done. -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 16:50, 2 May 2025 (UTC)
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- Disambiguate The NES one is undoubtedly the most famous, and we shouldn't assume readers want to see the Game Boy one when they type this. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 08:30, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
Karmelo Anthony
- Karmelo Anthony → Killing of Austin Metcalf (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Requesting deletion. Title subject is a teen charged with (but not yet tried for, much less convicted of) murder. The name is kept out of the body of the target page following discussion, due to WP:BLPCRIME reasons (the discussion was split, reaching a WP:NOCONSENSUS closure that kept the name out of the article.) This redirect is being used to put a name we're excluding right at the top of the article; the person redirected there will not find the text explaining what this name has to do with the subject. Nat Gertler (talk) 14:47, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
- Keep (copying and pasting my comment from Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Karmelo Anthony (2nd nomination), which is happening concurrently with this RfD...): The previous redirect discussion (Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 April 18 § Karmelo Anthony) was closed with
If the discussion there results in a consensus to exclude the subject's name, this redirect should then be deleted
. The RfC found "no consensus to include the name of the suspect and no consensus to exclude it". Also see Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard#Please delete redirect, where the closing admin saidthe inclusion or non-inclusion of the redirect or, indeed the determination of what constituted the stable version of the article, is outside the scope of the RfC
. All that background information aside, the redirect should be kept, because as I said at the previous RfD, readers who type "Karmelo Anthony" in the search bar already know his name; they are just looking for information about his case and the incident he was involved in (in which he is a central figure), and the redirect assists readers with that. Besides, his name appears at least 20 times in the References section, so deleting this redirect would not be helpful or beneficial to our readers in any way. Some1 (talk) 15:03, 18 May 2025 (UTC)- Because it disambiguates with Carmelo Anthony, this redirect is putting the name at the top, before the article, which is different than buried down in the references. -- Nat Gertler (talk) 15:48, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
- The hatnote and the redirect are both separate issues. The hatnote can be removed from the article while still keeping the redirect. Some1 (talk) 15:56, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
- They are not separate issues, they are linked; as long as we keep this redirect, folks will hold that we need the hatnote because people may be looking for Carmelo. -- Nat Gertler (talk) 16:08, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
- If we keep this redirect, editors can always start an RfC and ask if there should be a hatnote or not. Some1 (talk) 16:10, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
- They are not separate issues, they are linked; as long as we keep this redirect, folks will hold that we need the hatnote because people may be looking for Carmelo. -- Nat Gertler (talk) 16:08, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
- The hatnote and the redirect are both separate issues. The hatnote can be removed from the article while still keeping the redirect. Some1 (talk) 15:56, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
- As the closer of the previous RfD, I can confirm that speedy deletion would not have been authorized by my closure. I specifically authorized speedy deletion in the event of a consensus to exclude and there was no such consensus. -- Tavix (talk) 01:11, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
- Because it disambiguates with Carmelo Anthony, this redirect is putting the name at the top, before the article, which is different than buried down in the references. -- Nat Gertler (talk) 15:48, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
- Delete The procedural history here is a ridiculous tangle (I'm inclined to agree that no speedy deletion is warranted), but on the merits its not mentioned at the target and hence the redirect is inappropriate. * Pppery * it has begun... 17:42, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
- No real good answer. The name is a plausible search term. But redirecting it to an article that does not have it mentioned (per the lack of consensus to include, thus default to exclusion per BLP) will lead to only one conclusion for readers - that the name that was redirected was the name of the accused. And what Some1 doesn't consider above is if someone gets a link from a friend to this redirect, not having any idea who it is. They will come to the only one possible conclusion as well. So it really should ideally not be redirecting to this page. I would be okay (but not happy) about IAR ignoring the "mentioned at target" for this case since it is a plausible search term.. but only if there's a consensus to ignore the concerns about "naming by proxy" when there is no consensus to include the accused's name.On the other hand, redirecting it to Carmelo Anthony isn't super great either because then someone looking for the current target article would be sent to a basketball player that they don't have any interest in. So I guess that my !vote here would be to just delete it? If people want to get to the basketball player, they can spell the name right - not to mention that the Wikipedia search bar is not that bad that if they type in the name spelled with a K and it's a redlink, it'll almost certainly show them the basketball player they're looking for. That leaves the issue of people looking for this article and not finding it - to which there is no good answer that I see. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez | me | talk to me! 18:38, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
- If Friend A sends Friends B this link: https://teknopedia.ac.id/wiki/Karmelo_Anthony (which, if the redirect is kept, unlikely since it redirects to Killing of Austin Metcalf and they would have to manually click the link to get to the non-redirect page), (and if the redirect is kept) it means that Friend A already knows who Karmelo Anthony is and it is likely they'll tell Friend B who that person is before sending them the link (e.g. "Did you hear about Karmelo Anthony? Here's a link to the Wikipedia article where you can read more about what's happening to him", etc.). I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. Some1 (talk) 19:18, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
- I'm not sure either - hence why I bolded "no real good answer" and was wishy over !voting to delete it. I've thought about how to respond to your point, which is correct/true, but the difference is we can't control what happens outside of Wikipedia, we can just control whether we further it or not. Our BLP policies are intentionally significantly more strict than even most news organizations have. I'd be surprised if most people were sending links through messaging apps/texts/etc and were including a whole backstory other than a short backstory, if even that. But then again, below it was pointed out that it's getting 4000 hits a month... And that's why I'm very weakly leaning towards deleting it. Sorry if my flipflopping/wishy-washy views aren't that helpful to others. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez | me | talk to me! 22:50, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
- If Friend A sends Friends B this link: https://teknopedia.ac.id/wiki/Karmelo_Anthony (which, if the redirect is kept, unlikely since it redirects to Killing of Austin Metcalf and they would have to manually click the link to get to the non-redirect page), (and if the redirect is kept) it means that Friend A already knows who Karmelo Anthony is and it is likely they'll tell Friend B who that person is before sending them the link (e.g. "Did you hear about Karmelo Anthony? Here's a link to the Wikipedia article where you can read more about what's happening to him", etc.). I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. Some1 (talk) 19:18, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
- Keep. Not just a plausible search term, but has in fact received 4000 hits over the past month. There is no consensus that a BLP violation is involved. The hatnote is a different issue, and need not affect this discussion. StAnselm (talk) 21:07, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
- Delete - Delete name of person who was arrested when they were a minor, and has not been tried nor convicted. Gerson Fuentes had his name suppressed until after he was convicted. --Jax 0677 (talk) 21:57, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
- Note to closer: I just closed Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Karmelo Anthony (2nd nomination) as a procedural close, which has already had some participation regarding the existence of this redirect. —CX Zoom[he/him] (let's talk • {C•X}) 23:39, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
- Keep - It's a frequently used search term and as a result, not having it will just result in someone searching elsewhere and getting less balanced content. I don't see anything new from the previous discussion about the WP:BLP aspect in the last few days and procedurally, keeping the redirect while not having the name in the article is, I believe, consistent with those closes. CoffeeCrumbs (talk) 00:57, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
- Delete It's not mentioned in the target article. -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested «@» °∆t° 10:42, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
- The argument that the name is mentioned, because it appears in sourcing mark-up is very weak -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested «@» °∆t° 10:33, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
- Agreed. We are required to retain such mentions in markup where we otherwise reject textual inclusion (see Village Pump RfC link below). JFHJr (㊟) 03:23, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
- The argument that the name is mentioned, because it appears in sourcing mark-up is very weak -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested «@» °∆t° 10:33, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
- Keep per my !vote at the AFD. 🐔 Chicdat Bawk to me! 13:49, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
- Delete because this should have never been recreated per WP:BLPUNDEL, and per my comment in the AFD. Also noting that per WP:BLPUNDEL and WP:BIODEL no consensus defaults to removal. Symphony Regalia (talk) 21:18, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nom, Pppery, and Symphony. The WP:BURDEN of consensus for inclusion has not been met. JFHJr (㊟) 21:26, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
- Keep. Ironically, despite the exclusion the subject is still mentioned 21 times (by my count) at the target. -- Tavix (talk) 15:33, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
- He's mentioned 21 times in sourcing markup. He is mentioned zero times textually. JFHJr (㊟) 22:00, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
- I don't think that distinction is important. His name is still very easy to find for those looking for it there. -- Tavix (talk) 22:43, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
- I agree with JFHJr. WP:BLP is not at all concerned with sophistry. His name was removed from the article for a reason. Symphony Regalia (talk) 04:10, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
- But for those into nuance, I recommend: Wikipedia:Village pump (policy) § Archive 202#RfC: Exclusion of a person's name following consensus. The use of an otherwise excluded name is unrestricted in sourcing. A distinction is in fact made between content and sources. JFHJr (㊟) 04:25, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
- Anyone using the redirect can search the article, find any one of those sources that use the name, and confirm it. Therefore it's still a good redirect so long as those sources remain in use. -- Tavix (talk) 21:19, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
- This is one significant (maybe not over 50%, but still significant) reason that my comment above was prefaced with "no real good answer" - because I can see the redirect remaining for that reason. But I still am not specifically arguing to keep it. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez | me | talk to me! 22:46, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
- It's a good answer for me! -- Tavix (talk) 23:54, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
- This is one significant (maybe not over 50%, but still significant) reason that my comment above was prefaced with "no real good answer" - because I can see the redirect remaining for that reason. But I still am not specifically arguing to keep it. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez | me | talk to me! 22:46, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
- Anyone using the redirect can search the article, find any one of those sources that use the name, and confirm it. Therefore it's still a good redirect so long as those sources remain in use. -- Tavix (talk) 21:19, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
- But for those into nuance, I recommend: Wikipedia:Village pump (policy) § Archive 202#RfC: Exclusion of a person's name following consensus. The use of an otherwise excluded name is unrestricted in sourcing. A distinction is in fact made between content and sources. JFHJr (㊟) 04:25, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
- I agree with JFHJr. WP:BLP is not at all concerned with sophistry. His name was removed from the article for a reason. Symphony Regalia (talk) 04:10, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
- I don't think that distinction is important. His name is still very easy to find for those looking for it there. -- Tavix (talk) 22:43, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
- He's mentioned 21 times in sourcing markup. He is mentioned zero times textually. JFHJr (㊟) 22:00, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
- Keep per most above, particularly Some1 and CoffeeCrumbs. I still think that excluding the name from the article was the wrong decision for precisely these sorts of reasons. Anthony's name and association with this case is not a private matter at this point (in large part due to the actions of him and his family) so people will be looking for information about him and the case. It is far better, including from a BLP-perspective, that they are taken to a neutral encyclopaedia article than alternatives elsewhere (or newly created biography at this title) and presenting them with a page saying we haven't got any content is incorrect as search results (which may take several clicks/taps to reach) will confirm. Thryduulf (talk) 10:50, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
- Keep. As with Kyle Rittenhouse, the subject has been propelled to the status of public figure by the nature of his alleged crime and its aftermath – hence why the redirect regularly receives hundreds of daily views. Wikipedia is not censored and the utility of the site is diminished if we opt to omit basic, undisputed facts that are widely and repeatedly reported by reputable, subtantial media outlets. WP:BLPCRIME should not have different interpretations depending on the race of the alleged perpetrator. I T B F 📢 14:33, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
- Keep His name is already in about 20 of the citations and people know his name when they search for that name. Dresq — Preceding undated comment added 13:49, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
- Delete He is not mentioned in the article, so there should not be a redirect. Sources don't count, only actual content. QuicoleJR (talk) 00:18, 25 May 2025 (UTC)
- Keep this redirect passes a lot of policy tests and should be kept. It is useful for helping people come to the main article WP:R#KEEP. The name is used by multiple reliable sources WP:V. This is the preferred method for dealing with someone who is notable for only one event WP:BLP1E. It explicitly deals with the issue of introducing material into the article WP:BLPCRIME. Other high profile cases have or had personal name redirects like this, by removing this redirect it creates inconsistency without any policy reason. If we remove this redirect we create a POV issue where as reliable sources report on this it would appear that we are trying to deliberately remove it. Dr vulpes (Talk) 00:52, 25 May 2025 (UTC)
- Delete There is no reason under WP:POFR to include Karmelo Anthony as a redirect. We should also be extra cautious, since he is a minor and not a public figure. MrTaxes (talk) 04:35, 25 May 2025 (UTC)
Xe/xem
- Xe/xem → Neopronoun (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Xe (pronoun) → Neopronoun (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Xem → Neopronoun (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Xemself → Neopronoun (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Retarget to Gender neutrality in languages with gendered third-person pronouns § Table of standard and non-standard third-person singular pronouns, where they are mentioned and linked to Wiktionary. Note: the mention was removed by XeCyranium. LIrala (talk) 01:39, 1 May 2025 (UTC)
- Comment - Its hard to say, but if I was a reader who didn't know what they meant, I think the current target of neopronouns better helps the reader understand what they are than that busy chart... Sergecross73 msg me 13:17, 1 May 2025 (UTC)
- Disambiguate "xem" there being multiple topics. Kembayan language (ISO 639 code "xem"), Marvel Comics' "Xem", XEM-TV former name of XHBC-TDT, the doctrine of 'Xem' in the Temple of Set, Little Games (album code "XEM") -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 16:26, 2 May 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Rusalkii (talk) 20:04, 8 May 2025 (UTC) - Disambiguate per IP. -Samoht27 (talk) 19:57, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
- Presumably only Xem is suitable for disambiguation. What should happen with the others? (Also, what is an album code? I don't think that's suitable for inclusion on a potential disambiguation page, but we can sort that out later.) --BDD (talk) 15:47, 16 May 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting per BDD's question.
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Disambiguation draft requested Rusalkii (talk) 02:45, 26 May 2025 (UTC)
Vatican Press
- Vatican Press → Dicastery for Communication (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No related article mentioned for "Vatican Press". Absolutiva (talk) 02:23, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
- Keep. The target article absolutely mentions that the Dicastery for Communication runs the Vatican Press. The Dicastery also runs (and the article also mentions and links to) all of the other possible organisations which might be intended by someone searching "Vatican Press", such as Holy See Press Office, Vatican Publishing House, and Vatican News Caeciliusinhorto (talk) 09:49, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
- Is there page translation from Italian to English Wikipedia article, or just draftify. Absolutiva (talk) 01:13, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Rusalkii (talk) 05:53, 10 May 2025 (UTC) - Disambiguate Could also refer to Vatican News possibly Servite et contribuere (talk) 07:22, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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- Keep Judging by the target article, there is an entity called Vatican Press under the aegis of the Dicastery, so this is a fine {{R from subtopic}}. Could it be confused with similarly named entities? Sure, but they seem to be mentioned in the same article anyway. And there needs to be some consideration for proper names, e.g., there are other national broadcasting companies, but National Broadcasting Company still redirects to NBC. If the Vatican Press gets its own article at some point, we can deal with any confusion via hatnotes or other usual devices. --BDD (talk) 20:12, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
Wubwubwub and Wub wub wub
- Wubwubwub → Helmholtz resonance (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Wub wub wub → Dubstep (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Inconsistency in redirects. The term "wub" is mentioned on the Dubstep page, while "Wub wub wub" appears in the title of an external link on the Helmholtz resonance page. Do note that a Wiktionary entry for "wub" exists as well. -insert valid name here- (talk) 02:05, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
- Keep the dubstep one, it's a common association to the genre, per the content at Dubstep#Wobble bass. I don't really know enough about "Helmholtz resonance" to comment, though it strikes me as less likely to be typing all of the "wubs" out as one long "word". Sergecross73 msg me 15:33, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
- Disambiguate. Of note, "wub-wub-wub" appears in Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home. BD2412 T 18:36, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Relisting comment: Notified of this discussion at the targets.
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- Helmholtz resonance for both. It includes the string of three "wub"s (although spaced), whilst the dubstep article doesn't. Nyttend (talk) 22:00, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
2023 Sudan sever crisis

Judge Bridlegoose
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 May 26#Judge Bridlegoose
Data structure (blockchain)

"Ausf. A"

Dry humping
- Dry humping → Non-penetrative sex#Frottage (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
that is NOT what dry humping means dry humping basically means simulating sex without actually having sex (usually this means with your clothes on). frottage is STILL sex User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 09:42, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
Dry humping should NOT be a redirect to frottage. It either deserves its own article or better yet, be a redirect to heavy petting. Ooops, sorry, I see that heavy petting is already a redirect to making out. A subsection of Making out could include dry humping, with the (correct) description given by User:Someone-123-321 above, i.e. that it is NOT an act of either sexual penetration nor penetration of any other sort, because the parties involved keep their clothing on.--FeralOink (talk) 15:27, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
- I just noticed the header above, prior to saving. It states, "If you want to replace an unprotected redirect with an article, you do not need to list it here. Turning redirects into articles is wholly encouraged."
- Although dry humping is already listed here as a redirect, I hope it is not too late for me to turn it into an article. I will try working on that now.--FeralOink (talk) 15:34, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
- Speedy keep As mentioned by the nom, redirect should be kept until an article is created. मल्ल (talk) 13:55, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
- Keep - it is the right target as per the description at the target section. No objection to creating a standalone article at this title or at clothed sex if feasible. Jay 💬 11:18, 25 May 2025 (UTC)
Adhab
Not mentioned at target, wasn't mentioned when the redirect was created. The word appears in a few articles so retargeting or disambiguating might be a possibility. SevenSpheres (talk) 23:42, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
- Delete, as best as I can tell, this is just (a rendering of) an Arabic word that can either be a name or is part of a couple other phrases, but there's nothing about this specifically. One of those search results seemed to be a typo for "Ahdab", which I fixed. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 00:33, 10 May 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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- Retarget Adab? Jay 💬 07:11, 25 May 2025 (UTC)
Ramuh
- Ramuh → Recurring elements in the Final Fantasy series#Summoning Magic (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Ramuh (Final Fantasy) → Recurring elements in the Final Fantasy series#Summoning Magic (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. On-wiki search does return a bunch of mentions in articles related to Final Fantasy, though whether this should be retargeted (and if yes, to which of the articles) should probably be left to someone familiar with the franchise. 1234qwer1234qwer4 00:38, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
- Comment: The articles that mention "Ramuh" which are not associated with Final Fantasy are Adaptations of Little Red Riding Hood and Disco Fries. Steel1943 (talk) 01:12, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Delete or retarget, and if so where?
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Relisting comment: Or disambiguate? Also, thoughts on the pre-redirect history in case of support for deletion?
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- delete. the current target doesn't mention ramuh (or name any summons for that matter, which i guess makes sense), the other articles only mention the name in passing, and most results i got were top however many summon lists and guides, so he's probably not on the notable side of summons consarn (grave) (obituary) 19:03, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: See above comments.
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There's been a murder
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 May 25#There's been a murder
Imam Reza
It's unclear why this redirects to Ali al-Rida. The word "Reza" appears twice in the entire article and it is unclear who it refers to. Dennis C. Abrams (talk) 21:17, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
- Probably another name of the subject, which is made clearer at Imam Reza shrine. The redirect earlier targeted Ali al-Raza which was the earlier title of the target. Similar redirects exist like:
- Jay 💬 11:19, 16 May 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Welcome to Wikipedia
- Welcome to Wikipedia → Help:Getting started (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Cross-namespace redirect; very low view counts. MouseCursor or a keyboard? 08:55, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
- Keep I'm often skeptical of cross-namespace redirects, but this one seems harmless and natural enough. * Pppery * it has begun... 17:49, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
- Keep Per Pppery Servite et contribuere (talk) 21:41, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
- Keep; helpful. J947 ‡ edits 22:30, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
- Keep. The problem with cross-namespace redirects is generally that they're confusing (you want an article but reach a project page), especially for people who wanted something unrelated to a Wikipedia project page, but if you enter this page, you're obviously wanting something about Wikipedia itself, and you get exactly what you asked for. Nyttend (talk) 03:33, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
- Keep per all above. Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 April 15#Welcome to Wikipedia closed with a consensus to retarget this from Wikipedia:Introduction (now Help:Introduction) to Wikipedia:Welcome, which is now a redirect to Help:Getting started. Thryduulf (talk) 17:41, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
- Delete wrong namespace to create such a redirect. Try at WP:Welcome to Wikipedia instead. Not useful for the readership, per the low viewcount. Not an appropriate use of articlespace. Anyone making a bluelink with such, would know not to use articlespace, as an experienced user/editor. Anyone not knowning, woulding enter this anyways. if kept retarget to Main Page, the welcome portal for Wikipedia -- 65.93.183.249 (talk) 07:18, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
- Agree with all that the cross-namespace is not a concern. However, the target, which is for editors, is not appropriate either. Retarget to Help:Introduction which is for all users of Wikipedia, readers and editors, or someone who wants to start navigating, exploring, collecting information. Jay 💬 02:33, 26 May 2025 (UTC)
Northern Districts
- Northern Districts → Northern Districts men's cricket team (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Could also refer to the Women's team or a team in Adelaide. Also not to be confused with the Northern District Cricket Club that plays at Mark Taylor Oval in Waitara, New South Wales. I am thinking to Dabify. Servite et contribuere (talk) 07:44, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
- Rename the existing disambiguation page at Northern Districts cricket team to Northern Districts, and chuck in a few links to Northern Districts Cricket Club, The Richmond River Herald and Northern Districts Advertiser, and Northern District (disambiguation). J947 ‡ edits 22:37, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
- Do what J947 recommends and link the Northern District and Northern Districts dab pages with see-also entries. I thought about merging the dab page, but there isn't any overlap between them. Thryduulf (talk) 17:45, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
- I drafted a dab at the redirect. Jay 💬 02:50, 26 May 2025 (UTC)
Southern Districts
- Southern Districts → Southern Districts Football Club (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Ambiguous and almost certainly not primary topic. Could refer to places or sports teams. Probably best to Dabify. Servite et contribuere (talk) 07:38, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
Delete unless someone can suggest names to put on a disambiguation page. (No objection if someone converts it during this discussion.) One would expect a page with this title to be a disambiguation page or an article about a geographic location, not a redirect to a sport club. Nyttend (talk) 22:03, 18 May 2025 (UTC)- Nyttend, Here are the sports Southern Districts Football Club (Existing redirect), Southern Districts Rugby Club, Southern Districts Raiders, Southern Districts Cricket Club, Southern Districts women's cricket team, Southern Districts Gridiron Club. And to a lesser extent: United States District Court for the Southern District of West Virginia. Servite et contribuere (talk) 02:30, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
- Disambiguate between the names listed here, with a see also link to Southern District (disambiguation). J947 ‡ edits 22:33, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
- Disambiguate, since there are sufficient article to put on a disambiguation page. Nyttend (talk) 03:31, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
Disambiguation draft requested Rusalkii (talk) 21:21, 25 May 2025 (UTC)
Eurovision

MAHA

New pope
- New pope → Pope Leo XIV (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- New president → Donald Trump (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2009 December 27 § New pope – Retarget to papal conclave
This redirect has pointed to Pope Benedict XVI and papal conclave at various points. I pointed it to The New Pope earlier this year and think that that is the more intuitive target; pointing it to the new pope after every conclave doesn't seem sustainable (when does a new pope lose his newness?). The old RfD was before the TV show was released. Sdrqaz (talk) 00:24, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
- Comment Both The New Pope and Papal Conclave are plausible targets, so if this points to one of them there should be a hatnote to the other. Thryduulf (talk) 01:12, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
- I've also added new president, which is far too broad to target just the American one. There are also apolitical presidents, such as corporate presidents, so retargeting to List of current heads of state and government isn't viable either; I think that it should be deleted. Before someone asks, this is not an invitation to create New American president, which I don't think would be useful to readers (again, when does a president lose their newness?). Sdrqaz (talk) 01:20, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
- I think that the issue for those who want to retarget to presidential election is that readers searching for "new president" want to know the person, not the process. The article's incredibly generic "A presidential election is the election of any head of state whose official title is President" and sections that don't mention the incumbents is not helpful at all, and I would argue that there is no helpful existing page for a person searching "new president" due to the breadth of the term. As for "new pope", readers thinking of the real-life pope want to reach the person, not the process too. However, since we run into issues with defining newness, it would be even better to retarget to The New Pope, which would be more intuitive. Sdrqaz (talk) 04:36, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
- Change target to The New Pope for New pope. Probably best match and a possible confused title. Delete New president it is silly, might not be NPOV, there are Presidents all over the world, and it is not common at all. Servite et contribuere (talk) 07:54, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
- Leo won't be a "new pope" forever, likewise for Trump and "new president" (plus the fact there are many other presidents around the world, not just the US one). Retarget New pope to The New Pope, delete New president. 🦬 Beefaloe 🦬 (talk) 10:05, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
- Retarget New pope to The New Pope, delete New president per above. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 14:05, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
- Delete New president as hopelessly vague; president of what? where?. Retarget new pope back to papal conclave (and keep it there forever regardless of any future conclaves) as I'm not convinced both omitting the "the" and lowercasing make an especially plausible search term for the series, and that target avoids any concerns about arbitrariness of the word "new" * Pppery * it has begun... 17:48, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
- Retarget to papal conclave and presidential election. Most people searching for "new pope" are likely to be interested in the office covered by Pope and how one comes to become a new occupant, not a very short-lived TV series, and the papal conclave article discusses the subject. Similar thing for "new president" and the corresponding process, which is covered by presidential election. Both have alternate meanings, e.g. Coptic Pope of Alexandria and the corporate presidents referenced above, but the Catholic pope and the political presidents have dominant usage in English. Nyttend (talk) 22:07, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
- Delete New president as hopelessly vague. Even Presidential election is too narrow a topic, as there are all kinds of presidents who are not chosen in presidential elections (for instance, presidents of companies, government systems where the president is appointed rather than elected, and government systems where an individual is president by virtue of being elected to some other office). Retarget New pope to one of the targets suggested above. I think The New Pope is the best match for this search term, but either way, whichever target is chosen should get a hatnote to the other target. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 23:08, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
- Mx. Granger, as far as politicians are concerned, what presidents are not elected? Off the top of my head, I can think of only one non-elected office that was functionally a president — German Emperor, which was held by the King of Prussia ex officio — and even presidencies that are functionally hereditary, like the President of the United Arab Emirates or the President of North Korea (when it was held by a living person), are typically elected, at least as a formality. Nyttend (talk) 03:30, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
- Some presidents, such as the president of China, are appointed by a legislature (I guess you could call the vote within the legislature on who to appoint a "presidential election" – I haven't heard it called that, but I now see that it's listed at Presidential election). In other cases, such as the president of the North Dakota Senate, an individual is elected to some other position (in this case, Lieutenant Governor of North Dakota) and becomes president by virtue of that role. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 04:03, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
- "Appointed" sounds like the incumbent is chosen by an individual or tiny group; it's an election by the legislature. As far as ex officio, I was thinking of head-of-state presidents and didn't think of presidents of legislatures. Nyttend (talk) 00:29, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
- Some presidents, such as the president of China, are appointed by a legislature (I guess you could call the vote within the legislature on who to appoint a "presidential election" – I haven't heard it called that, but I now see that it's listed at Presidential election). In other cases, such as the president of the North Dakota Senate, an individual is elected to some other position (in this case, Lieutenant Governor of North Dakota) and becomes president by virtue of that role. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 04:03, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
- Mx. Granger, as far as politicians are concerned, what presidents are not elected? Off the top of my head, I can think of only one non-elected office that was functionally a president — German Emperor, which was held by the King of Prussia ex officio — and even presidencies that are functionally hereditary, like the President of the United Arab Emirates or the President of North Korea (when it was held by a living person), are typically elected, at least as a formality. Nyttend (talk) 03:30, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
- Delete New president, don't think this is a plausible search term or likely to be used in prose. Retarget New pope to The New Pope as a plausible search term. I T B F 📢 07:15, 25 May 2025 (UTC)
Shish
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 May 25#Shish
Main Article
- Main Article → Main Page (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- MAIN ARTICLE → Main Page (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Could also refer to {{Main}} (which produces a "main article" hatnote); google search also gives me a bunch of random unrelated stuff too Duckmather (talk) 02:09, 29 April 2025 (UTC)
- This is an unconvincing nomination (mainspace titles aren't ambiguous with templates), but then the redirect's existence is itself unconvincing (I don't see this as a plausible search term for the main page). Weak delete I guess. * Pppery * it has begun... 03:44, 29 April 2025 (UTC)
- I don't think your claim that
mainspace titles aren't ambiguous with templates
is quite correct, though. For example, Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 September 12#Multiple issues ended in deletion. Nevertheless the phrase "multiple issues" is still a highly enwiki-specific phrase, and I would guess that {{multiple issues}} is the main way many, if not most, ordinary people would ever see that phrase in the wild. Duckmather (talk) 19:13, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
- I don't think your claim that
- Remove redirect and Draftify I don't see why an article can't be created Servite et contribuere (talk) 02:59, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
Keep Main Article as sensible. Do not keep MAIN ARTICLE, as it is implausible, probably a joke, and will likely get G7 anyway. Oreocooke (talk) 04:10, 29 April 2025 (UTC)
- @Oreocooke you are the creator of MAIN ARTICLE, is this a request for it to be deleted? Thryduulf (talk) 12:27, 29 April 2025 (UTC)
- not exactly. Oreocooke (talk) 18:33, 29 April 2025 (UTC)
- Deleted MAIN ARTICLE by G7 — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 16:39, 30 April 2025 (UTC)
- I technically didn't request yet but I was going to anyway so it isn't really a problem Oreocooke (talk) 18:44, 2 May 2025 (UTC)
- Delete not sensible. The Main Page is not an article, it is not the main article about Wikipedia either, which is Wikipedia. It is not the main article about articles. article (disambiguation) shows several possible base topics. Nor is it the main article about main. Main (disambiguation) shows many articles about Main -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 16:54, 2 May 2025 (UTC)
idea: disambiguate Oreocooke (talk)18:37, 2 May 2025 (UTC)- idea: convert to disambiguation or retarget to Main Oreocooke (talk) 18:44, 2 May 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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- Keep as a plausible term to a newbie for the Main Page (or Main page in the Main menu), where a prominent link to Wikipedia can also be found (Note: I guess you just have to know the main menu is ... there, somewhere, now in the menu button. Fun fact, when I first started on this site, I was oblivious to the main page even though the main menu was once visible.) But we don't have things like Taylor Swift article or Taylor Swift page, nor should we—the Main page/article needs to be disambiguated from Main. As for {{Main}}, Edit article was created as a way to get to the Wikipedia space instructions for how to edit articles, but was subsequently moved by the redirect's creator to Editing, which seems like an afterthought to me, but at least there is a hatnote for Help:Editing. Havradim leaf a message 14:28, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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- Delete as confusing and not very useful. What newbie is going to search for "Main Article" instead of just clicking the logo to get to the main page? Very few websites call their homepage the "Main Article". Can you imagine anyone typing "Main Article" into the search box of, say, the BBC's website to get to their homepage? I can't. Not only that, this redirect is confusing, because when Wikipedia editors say "main article" they usually don't mean the main page, but rather an article whose scope is broader than some other article being discussed. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 23:19, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
El mahdi Mohammad Senosi
- El mahdi Mohammad Senosi → Mohammed El Senussi (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not sure whether this is a plausible name. This is a {{redirect with history}} however as it used to be a content fork (???), even though the history doesn't seem to have gotten into any other pages as far as I know. Duckmather (talk) 02:24, 29 April 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Romantic and gender minorities

Dr. Dr.
I think it is more likely that searchers are looking for a double doctorate described at Doctor (title) than they are any of the other entries at the disambiguation page Doctor Doctor. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 15:06, 17 May 2025 (UTC)
- Retarget per nom and add a hatnote back to the disambiguation page. There are presently non-notable artists and songs by this title, if they become notable in future this can be reevaluated at that time. Thryduulf (talk) 19:31, 17 May 2025 (UTC)
- Keep and add to the disambiguation page, both double doctorates and medical doctors (a doctor doctor, a real doctor, a medical doctor) -- 65.93.183.249 (talk) 07:22, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
- "Dr. Dr., title of a person with a double doctorate" is there already. Medical doctors aren't titled "Dr. Dr." Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:32, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
- But they are sometimes informally referred to that way, when distinguishing between PhDs and MDs -- 65.93.183.249 (talk) 20:48, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
- "Dr. Dr., title of a person with a double doctorate" is there already. Medical doctors aren't titled "Dr. Dr." Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:32, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
The Doctors (series 1)
- The Doctors (series 1) → List of Medics (Polish TV series) episodes (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This is ambiguous and should be deleted. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 15:01, 17 May 2025 (UTC)
- Retarget to Doctor#Series as a {{R from incomplete disambiguation}}. Thryduulf (talk) 19:35, 17 May 2025 (UTC)
- Retarget to Doctors series 1 as I don't see the ambiguity. Nothing else at Doctor#Series seems to have something called "series 1". -- Tavix (talk) 21:04, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
Sir richard

Master/slave relationship

Sir Thomas

"Union of England, Scotland and Ireland"

He Hillston Spectator and Mount Hope, Willanthry, Cudgellico, Booligal, Euabalong, Ivanhoe, Mossgiel, Gunbar and Lachlan River Advertiser

Hunting, Fishing and Animals in ancient egypt
- Hunting, Fishing and Animals in ancient egypt → Hunting, fishing and animals in ancient Egypt (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Delete. Target was created under this oddly capitalised title in 2015 and moved elsewhere just three days later. Not likely that many links were created to it in just those three days, and it's odd enough to be implausible as a search nowadays. Nyttend (talk) 07:49, 17 May 2025 (UTC)
- Keep Same words with other capitalisation Servite et contribuere (talk) 10:04, 17 May 2025 (UTC)
- Just tagged as such. Jay 💬 13:08, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
- Delete Not sure what to make of the below nomination (people love to overcapitalize), but nobody is going to enter the title with the exact opposite capitalization to what it should have, that's just silly. * Pppery * it has begun... 21:48, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
Hunting, Fishing and Animals in Ancient Egypt

Myung Jae-nam

Travel Promotion, Enhancement, and Modernization Act of 2014 Act (H.R. 4450; 113th Congress)

Travel Promotion, Enhancement, and Modernization Act of 2014 Act

Brace (hunting)
- Brace (hunting) → 2#In other fields (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Delete: Specialized synonym no longer mentioned at target. (A previous version of the article "2" did mention it.) I don't see any good retargets. Glossary of hunting terms does not exist. Brace (sports) redirects to Hat-trick for a similar meaning (two goals), but there's no mention of hunting at Hat-trick (and I don't know whether it would be appropriate to add it). Four articles link to the redirect as a kind of gloss, but that's not ideal (have to hover or click the link to understand at all; no explanation of how the word-sense is and isn't used). Jruderman (talk) 05:28, 17 May 2025 (UTC)
- Delete Like the nominator, I can't find a good place to retarget. It's also worth noting that my web search for "brace hunting" actually brought up more results for bow bracers than the plural definition. I don't think that would be a good target, however, because it would be confusing for readers who might be looking for the plural definition. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 23:37, 17 May 2025 (UTC)
- Even the creator reacted to the notification with
Thanks, but no thoughts to add.
There are multiple incoming links, and Wikt would have been ideal, where brace #10 has the hunting meaning. Ibizan Hound and English plurals have a bit of explanation, but neither could be a target. Jay 💬 13:40, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
Mouth Noise
The mouth makes many different noises, not sure why the current target is the target for this. Delete as ambiguous. Steel1943 (talk) 22:18, 30 April 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. A google search shows that there is no PTOPIC. Ca talk to me! 01:06, 1 May 2025 (UTC)
- Retarget. My google results are very different to Ca's in that there is a very clear primary topic - unwanted noises from the mouth during audio recording however we do not have any content about that under this title or the alternative name for it "vocal noise". Pop filters (also being hydrated and not smoking weed beforehand) are the recommended solution to getting rid of these noises, and while it doesn't use the term the second sentence means that people arriving there after using the term will understand the connection. Another possible target is
Side Hustle#Season 1 (2020–21)Side Hustle#ep22, where "Mouth Noise" is the title of episode 22(redirecting to the specific episode would be better than the season but they don't appear to have anchors). I think redirecting one with a hatnote to the other (in either direction) is preferable to a two-item dab. Burping is definitely the wrong target, indeed I would describe that as a throat sound rather than a mouth sound. Thryduulf (talk) 01:39, 1 May 2025 (UTC)- @Thryduulf: I think you are looking to mention the possibility of retargeting this to Side Hustle#ep22? Steel1943 (talk) 05:30, 1 May 2025 (UTC)
- Yes, I didn't spot that anchor existed, thanks. I'll tweak my above post. Thryduulf (talk) 10:22, 1 May 2025 (UTC)
- @Thryduulf: I think you are looking to mention the possibility of retargeting this to Side Hustle#ep22? Steel1943 (talk) 05:30, 1 May 2025 (UTC)
- Retarget to Side Hustle#ep22 per Thryduulf. Mouth Noises sounds like a new Neil Cicierega album... -insert valid name here- (talk) 16:20, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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- Retarget to the suggested episode per the others. It's the title of something we have content about, it's already capitalized, and the non-proper noun is just too vague to point to any particular target. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 16:26, 10 May 2025 (UTC)
- Weak retarget to Mouth#Other functions of the mouth, which mentions that
Mouths are also used as part of the mechanism for producing sounds for communication
(in a paragraph all about different ways animals use their mouths to create noises). If people want more content about how animal mouths create noises, that section could be expanded. Another possible target is Animal_communication#Auditory. The TV episode seems too surprising for such a broad and common topic. Duckmather (talk) 02:59, 13 May 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 02:03, 17 May 2025 (UTC) - Delete. There are oh so many things that can be called sound of the mouth, but there apparently is no established term (the most used meaning found by me on Google Scholar are apparently - in addition to already mentioned audio recording one - in the in the speech recognition, cf. "signal starts with mouth noise", communication signals unknown to the recipient ("Mouth noise: Tourist makes noise (whistle, kissing noises, shouts) ...") and in playing the wind instruments, "infantile, 'mouth-noise' source of his brass arrangement"). IMHO the only alternative to deletion is to make a random and thus useless WP:disambiguation to things like Breathing ("audible breathing or other kind of mouth noise"), Speech recognition, etc. For the avoidance of doubt, I do not like the disambiguation alternative. Викидим (talk) 05:58, 17 May 2025 (UTC)
Delete Per comments of nominatorServite et contribuere (talk) 14:56, 17 May 2025 (UTC)- Note: I have changed my vote from Delete to retarget Servite et contribuere (talk) 01:27, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per Викидим. * Pppery * it has begun... 15:05, 17 May 2025 (UTC)
- I don't understand why deletion is being preferred over redirecting to the content we have about something with this exact name and capitalisation? Thryduulf (talk) 19:40, 17 May 2025 (UTC)
- The reason I prefer deletion is that that's one guess as to what the reader could be looking for but I feel others are just as plausible and hence that target would be presumptuous. * Pppery * it has begun... 21:46, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
- That's an argument for either a disambiguation or a hatnote, not one that supports deletion. Thryduulf (talk) 23:18, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
- The reason I prefer deletion is that that's one guess as to what the reader could be looking for but I feel others are just as plausible and hence that target would be presumptuous. * Pppery * it has begun... 21:46, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
- Retarget to Side Hustle#ep22 per Thryduulf Servite et contribuere (talk) 01:26, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
- Retarget to Side Hustle#ep22 per Thryduulf.--Trystan (talk) 12:52, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
2021 Lancaster, Pennsylvania mayoral election

Publican
The Roman tax collector is not the primary topic, since it also has another (presumably more common) sense of "pub owner or manager". My suggestion is retarget to Publican (disambiguation), then potentially move that to Publican. Alternatively retarget to Pub if there's consensus that the "pub owner" sense is the clear primary topic. 🦬 Beefaloe 🦬 (talk) 00:35, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose. "Publican" is not that widely used to mean "tavern keeper" or "barkeeper", and I note that we don't even have an article about barkeepers: the term is a redirect to bartender, which is not the same thing. Also, the term seems to have arisen humorously, presumably by allusion to the Roman publicani. Evidently at one time there was also a trade publication by this title, but it is no more, and the number of readers searching for it is extremely small (average of two daily pageviews over the last ninety days). Apart from these, the only significant use that does not refer to Roman tax collectors is a synonym for the twelfth-century Arnoldists. So I think that the current target is the best choice; hatnotes should be sufficient to help users who are looking for some other use. P Aculeius (talk) 12:49, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
- Comment. The word "publican" is so uncommon I doubt either can convincingly be said to be the "common" usage. Moving to a neutral disambiguation page is unobjectionable. Ifly6 (talk) 20:21, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
- Retarget and move as suggested by the nominator. There is not a clear primary topic here. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 16:31, 10 May 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose. The biblical meaning is 'tax collector', so I think the current target is fine. Srnec (talk) 20:14, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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- Question Where in the world does "publican" mean "landlord of a pub"? I've not encountered it in the US or Australia. Is this UK usage? Nyttend (talk) 06:23, 17 May 2025 (UTC)
- In Britain, apparently, see [7] for an example. Retarget as proposed (to disambiguation), there is apparently WP:NOPRIMARY. Викидим (talk) 06:53, 17 May 2025 (UTC)
- Keep. Vikidim's book link treats this as specifically UK slang, whilst the current use exists worldwide. Nyttend (talk) 06:59, 17 May 2025 (UTC)
- Publicani were well-known in Roman Empire, at a time it could have qualified as "worldwide", I guess. I also think that nowadays only a small minority of our readers knows about the Latin term (these people indeed are also dispersed worldwide), while everyone in GB must be aware of the existence of pubkeepers, and I would expect the latter type to be in majority here. For the avoidance of doubt, I am not from GB and knew about the Latin term prior to this discussion. Викидим (talk) 07:11, 17 May 2025 (UTC)
- The English term 'publican', with the same meaning as the Latin, is found in the King James Bible. Srnec (talk) 02:47, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
- Publicani were well-known in Roman Empire, at a time it could have qualified as "worldwide", I guess. I also think that nowadays only a small minority of our readers knows about the Latin term (these people indeed are also dispersed worldwide), while everyone in GB must be aware of the existence of pubkeepers, and I would expect the latter type to be in majority here. For the avoidance of doubt, I am not from GB and knew about the Latin term prior to this discussion. Викидим (talk) 07:11, 17 May 2025 (UTC)
Alloromanticism
- Alloromanticism → Aromanticism#alloromanticism (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Alloromantic → Aromanticism#alloromanticism (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Retarget to romantic orientation? Skemous (talk) 18:22, 24 April 2025 (UTC)
- In case this is retargeted, Alloromantic should be as well. 1234qwer1234qwer4 15:49, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Relisting comment: Bundled Alloromantic with this.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 19:02, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
- Weak retarget both to Romantic orientation#Romantic identities, where the word "alloromanticism" is mentioned (which also makes it clear that it's not purely defined in opposition to "aromanticism" as the current target might suggest). Duckmather (talk) 14:01, 13 May 2025 (UTC)
- Retarget to Aromanticism as {{R from antonym}}. I think this is a difficult concept to describe except in reference to its opposite. I checked similar terms. Cisgender has its own article. Perisex redirects to Endosex (I was more familiar with the former term, but the latter seems to have been coined earlier.) Romantic orientation seems like a fine option too; I just think Aromanticism is more to the point. --BDD (talk) 20:33, 16 May 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Retarget to Romantic Orientation? Or to Aromanticism?
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Alberta separatism and annexationism
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 May 25#Alberta separatism and annexationism
Samurai (Final Fantasy)

Robo Rampage
No mention at target; previously hosted an unsourced article whose content was not merged anywhere. The two other search results for this on the English Wikipedia, Robbie Morrison and Transformers: Rescue Bots Academy, are probably not suitable targets. 1234qwer1234qwer4 23:09, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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- Restore without prejudice as a contested BLAR. The last version of the article was not an A7 candidate, and a quick scan of google suggests at least most of it would be verifiable. Whether it is notable or not is a discussion for AfD not RfD. Thryduulf (talk) 20:56, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
- Contested how? It was BLARed back in 2016, has sat as a redirect ever since, until said redirect was nominated here just the other day. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 21:49, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
- Nominating for deletion at RfD is, by definition, contentisting the appropriateness of the redirection. Thryduulf (talk) 14:48, 16 May 2025 (UTC)
- Contested how? It was BLARed back in 2016, has sat as a redirect ever since, until said redirect was nominated here just the other day. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 21:49, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
- Delete, agreeing with the nominator and The1337gamer:
Fails WP:GNG – There are no reliable secondary sources covering this game.
As always, if someone is able to provide evidence of notability I am willing to reconsider. Additionally, I can find no evidence that this was a contested WP:BLAR. The next edit after the redirection was a nomination for RfD and the nominator has made no indication in support of restoration. -- Tavix (talk) 21:07, 15 May 2025 (UTC) - Delete per Tavix. Steel1943 (talk) 22:49, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
- Restore per Thryduulf. Enix150 (talk) 19:41, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
- @Enix150: Did you find any evidence of notability? Note that the former article was unreferenced so the WP:BURDEN is on those who wish to restore to provide citation(s) to support the material. -- Tavix (talk) 19:53, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
The Taylor Swift Holiday Collection (Taylor's Version)

Delta Flight 4813

Marcus Strokes

The Deniers: The world-renowned scientists who stoop up against global warming hysteria, political persecution, and fraud
Balitang Amianan

Tactics, techniques, and procedures

Solar, Anomalous, and Magnetospheric Particle Explorer

Subcompact
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 May 23#Subcompact
Senate Commerce, Science, and Transportation committee
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 May 22#Senate Commerce, Science, and Transportation committee
Second prize in a beauty contest

Monopoly here and now limited edition 2005

Butt (sailing)
- Butt (sailing) → Butt joint (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Neither accurate nor usefull. Qwirkle (talk) 06:08, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
- Comment - Butt is definitely a sailing related term [8] but I'm not sure what the best target would be on Wikipedia, or even if we have an appropriate target available. Golem08 (talk) 13:16, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
- Nahh. That’s a general carpentry term. Butted planks and butt blocks are used in wooden boatbuilding and shipbuilding, but also in house carpentry, concrete formwork, furniture…hell, even field fortification…name it, if you use planks, that’s the simplest (crudest?) way to put them together, and the same vocabulary is used across most disciplines. And I don’t think a reference work should classify things by arms-length connections. Shipbuilding isn’t sailing any more than driving a car is automotive engineering. Qwirkle (talk) 14:16, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
- The question here is not how the subject is classified, but whether this is a plausible search term for the target. We do not require people to have detailed knowledge of what they are looking up before they have looked it up. Thryduulf (talk) 15:38, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
- Why would this be a plausible search term? Qwirkle (talk) 15:01, 4 May 2025 (UTC)
- I'm not arguing that it is (or isn't), I'm saying that is the question we are here to answer but it is not addressed by your comment. Thryduulf (talk) 10:52, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
- Why would this be a plausible search term? Qwirkle (talk) 15:01, 4 May 2025 (UTC)
- The question here is not how the subject is classified, but whether this is a plausible search term for the target. We do not require people to have detailed knowledge of what they are looking up before they have looked it up. Thryduulf (talk) 15:38, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
- Nahh. That’s a general carpentry term. Butted planks and butt blocks are used in wooden boatbuilding and shipbuilding, but also in house carpentry, concrete formwork, furniture…hell, even field fortification…name it, if you use planks, that’s the simplest (crudest?) way to put them together, and the same vocabulary is used across most disciplines. And I don’t think a reference work should classify things by arms-length connections. Shipbuilding isn’t sailing any more than driving a car is automotive engineering. Qwirkle (talk) 14:16, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
- There is Glossary of nautical terms (A–L) § B, but the description there is laughable / not useful. Jay 💬 14:54, 13 May 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Steel1943 (talk) 01:00, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
- Checked into who added the Glossary term and the user who did so made their last edits that day back in 2020. My suggestion would be to ask at WikiProject Ships and WikiProject Sailing if they could help provide a better definition of the term. --Super Goku V (talk) 08:52, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
- Comment I posted a notice at WikiProject Sailing. --Schützenpanzer (Talk) 00:38, 16 May 2025 (UTC)
Gottlieb Institute

Purgegate
- Purgegate → Dismissal of U.S. attorneys controversy (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Is mentioned on neither the 2006 or 2017 pages, 2006 dismissal of U.S. attorneys, 2017 dismissal of U.S. attorneys. Onel5969 TT me 22:19, 11 April 2025 (UTC)
- Weak delete This term also appears to have been used for the 2006 scandal but not as heavily. Most of my hits actually pull up some sort of valve system, which makes me question whether the scandal would be the primary topic here. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 22:41, 11 April 2025 (UTC)
- (Original author) keep This term was widely used at the time, and a Google search now for '"purgegate" us attorneys' produces many results. [9], [10], [11], [12], [13] Bovlb (talk) 18:48, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
- @Bovlb: just FYI, the current target is now a DAB page. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 22:21, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
- That seem appropriate. Bovlb (talk) 22:30, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
- @Bovlb: just FYI, the current target is now a DAB page. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 22:21, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 15:39, 22 April 2025 (UTC) - Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 23:37, 29 April 2025 (UTC)
- Weak retarget to the 2007 page, secondarily delete. Most results are various valves, but after some aggressive filtering all hits seem to be for the 2007 incident, which was pretty regularly called that. Rusalkii (talk) 18:30, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: One more try...
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Steel1943 (talk) 00:54, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
- Rusalkii, you say "the 2007 page". The options are 2006 or 2017; which do you mean? Nyttend (talk) 03:19, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
- 2006, oops. Rusalkii (talk) 21:59, 17 May 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose keeping at the current target disambig page per nom that there is no mention at either of the entries of the disambig page. Jay 💬 08:06, 25 May 2025 (UTC)
Knowledge Graph

Autonomous Republic of Abkhazia

Have You Seen Her (T-Pain song)

Terkey

Asgfvje

Hottest
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 May 22#Hottest
Template:Grand Prix

Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Disability-related articles
- Wikipedia:WikiProject Disability/Style advice (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] →
I normally wouldn't touch an {{R from move}} page, or a redirect that's this old, but I just saw this WikiProject essay get cited from the "MOS" name, as if it were an actual guideline, in a POV-pushing way. There are very few links to this page. Perhaps we can live without this one? WhatamIdoing (talk) 18:17, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
- Keep. The solution to an editor using a redirect to push a POV is to deal with the editor in the same way we would deal with them if they had linked to the target directly. Thryduulf (talk) 11:15, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: keep or delete?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Duckmather (talk) 19:43, 14 May 2025 (UTC) - Delete. Non-MoS pages should never have MoS related redirects (or page names). Gonnym (talk) 14:10, 16 May 2025 (UTC)
- Keep. A WikiProject's style advice is close enough to the MOS that I'm okay with this redirect. -- Tavix (talk) 20:38, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
- Delete I think it's best we keep a clear differentiation between what is and isn't in the manual of style. * Pppery * it has begun... 14:20, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
- What differentiation between style guidance in the manual of style, some of which applies to specific topics/articles and style guidance for specific topics/articles elsewhere is important to make? Why is making that distinction important? Thryduulf (talk) 15:03, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
- The distinction is that the manual of style is a formal guideline and hence has a higher degree of consensus behind it than individual WikiProjects' advice pages. * Pppery * it has begun... 15:27, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
- Some bits of the manual of style are not widely supported by people other than MOS regulars (as evidenced by how controversial capitalisation can get for example) while style advice found in some wikiprojects is uncontroversial. So whether some piece of style advice is found in place A or place B is not a reliable guide to how strong a consensus it enjoys, meaning that enforcing an arbitrary barrier to finding a given bit of guidance based on that seems counterproductive. Thryduulf (talk) 22:51, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
- The distinction is that the manual of style is a formal guideline and hence has a higher degree of consensus behind it than individual WikiProjects' advice pages. * Pppery * it has begun... 15:27, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
- What differentiation between style guidance in the manual of style, some of which applies to specific topics/articles and style guidance for specific topics/articles elsewhere is important to make? Why is making that distinction important? Thryduulf (talk) 15:03, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
The L/L Research Transcripts

L/L Research

First period

Alaska C-I7 plane crash
- Alaska C-I7 plane crash → 2010 Alaska USAF C-17 crash (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Alaska C-17 plane crash → 2010 Alaska USAF C-17 crash (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Wrong symbol (uses a capital I instead of a 1). Delete. Mr slav999 (talk) 16:31, 23 April 2025 (UTC)
- Is this not a plausible enough mistake to keep? It gets picked up by OCR sometimes. As a redirect, it seems harmless enough, it was a former title of the page, it gets over a view per month, and it's unambiguous (assuming Alaska C-17 plane crash is also unambiguous; probably should be tagged as an avoided double redirect to that title). I'll say keep off that. Skarmory (talk • contribs) 02:41, 24 April 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 08:52, 1 May 2025 (UTC)
- Delete there are several C-17 crashes in Alaska, such as Sitka 43 listed at List of accidents and incidents involving military aircraft (2010–2019) -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 16:17, 2 May 2025 (UTC)
- Bundle the properly titled Alaska C-17 plane crash if the discussion is turning towards ambiguity. Jay 💬 16:02, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Bundling per Jay
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, * Pppery * it has begun... 15:28, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
- Delete – The letter 'i' and the number 1 are almost at the opposite ends of a qwerty keyboard. You really need to make an effort (including pressing Shift) to mix them up, unlike for example the letter 'o' and the number 0. --Deeday-UK (talk) 08:49, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
- Keep Alaska C-17 plane crash as the primary topic. This is the only Alaskan crash listed at Boeing C-17 Globemaster III#Accidents and notable incidents. -- Tavix (talk) 23:12, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
- Sitka 43 seems more prominent, if you go outside of Wikipedia -- 65.93.183.249 (talk) 07:25, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
Sexual Anomalies
7 Grand Dad
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 May 22#7 Grand Dad
Wikipedia:DPROCESS
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 May 22#Wikipedia:DPROCESS
Moving contact lubricant

Automatic lubricating cup
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 May 25#Automatic lubricating cup
Bianca de Vera

Feminist history in Latin America

Shatter belt (geopolitcs)

Square root of 4
- Square root of 4 → 2 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Square root of 9 → 3 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Sqrt4 → 2 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Unneeded, it's very unlikely that someone would look for the articles for 2 and 3 through this. Wikipedia is not a calculator. Square root of 1 was deleted for similar reasons in a 2019 RfD. I am bad at usernames (talk) 03:20, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
- Keep Square root of 4 to set a consistent pattern with the articles Square root of 2, Square root of 3, Square root of 5, Square root of 6, Square root of 7. That was the same reason I created Square root of 9 last year, but I acknowledge the argument is weaker there since there is no Square root of 8 article. And if I had seen the 2019 RfD I would probably have supported keeping it for that reason too. And 9 is as far as this will go - I did not create (and would support deleting if someone else created) Square root of 16 Square root of 25 etc. * Pppery * it has begun... 03:42, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
- Also adding Sqrt4 to this for the same reason, I didn't notice it when creating the RfD. I am bad at usernames (talk) 03:45, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
- Weak keep Sqrt4 by the same argument: Sqrt2 Sqrt3 Sqrt5 Sqrt6 Sqrt7. * Pppery * it has begun... 03:55, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
- I wasn't aware of those Sqrt redirects. They are clearly not "necessary", yet are among the kinds of things we keep just because someone might possibly invoke them at some point. There are a ton of miscapitalized redirects that we keep around even though they do a lot of actual harm by showing up in the Visual Editor popup that invites people to link them. I'd say if we're keeping objectively harmful redirects, why not keep the potentially useful ones, too? Dicklyon (talk) 05:40, 17 May 2025 (UTC)
- Weak keep Sqrt4 by the same argument: Sqrt2 Sqrt3 Sqrt5 Sqrt6 Sqrt7. * Pppery * it has begun... 03:55, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
- Keep as this is potentially useful for our readers. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 09:35, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
- Excuse me what? I have to call bullshit on this one. If someone so badly needs to know what the square roots of 4 or 9 are and can't figure it out some other way, they should go to our article on the square root itself, not to the specific value they type in. This also doesn't really address the "WP isn't a calculator" argument -- why stop here? Why not Square root of 2209 -> 47 (number)? Or 1+(2*3) -> 7? 35.139.154.158 (talk) 13:30, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
- I explained above why this should stop where it does. * Pppery * it has begun... 04:29, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
- Excuse me what? I have to call bullshit on this one. If someone so badly needs to know what the square roots of 4 or 9 are and can't figure it out some other way, they should go to our article on the square root itself, not to the specific value they type in. This also doesn't really address the "WP isn't a calculator" argument -- why stop here? Why not Square root of 2209 -> 47 (number)? Or 1+(2*3) -> 7? 35.139.154.158 (talk) 13:30, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
- Delete all. I was going to write a couple sentences, but they would have been almost identical to the nomination statement. I don't buy the argument that a sequence of titles has to be complete if anything in that sequence is sufficiently different, as is the case here. As a side note, I'd also advocate deletion of all of the "Sqrtn" redirects as malformed and useless (and all recently created). 35.139.154.158 (talk) 13:30, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
- Question. Is it possible to have articles on the square root of four and square root of nine that are distinct from the numbers 2 and 3? As far as I recall, both positive and negative integers are square roots of the positive integer. BD2412 T 18:32, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
"Is it possible to have articles on the square root of four and square root of nine that are distinct from the numbers 2 and 3?"
Is it possible? Of course, in the sense that it's also possible to have an article on the cheeto I found in my bathtub this morning. Is it realistic or even a good idea? No. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 21:10, 14 May 2025 (UTC)- This comment either misconstrues the question or, given the "cheeto in the bathtub" attitude, is unserious. Should Square root of 5 and Square root of 7 exist? These appear to be quite notable. We probably should have articles on Square root of 8 and Square root of 10. The only difference with 4 and 9 is that the square roots are whole numbers. BD2412 T 14:13, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
- It was an inane answer to an inane question, but the point I was making was completely serious.
"We probably should have articles on Square root of 8 and Square root of 10."
No, we probably shouldn't; we probably shouldn't even have articles for 6 and 7 either, but I don't have the stomach to start AFDs on those."The only difference with 4 and 9 is that the square roots are whole numbers."
That's a pretty big goddamn difference, don't you think? 35.139.154.158 (talk) 15:47, 15 May 2025 (UTC)- Please note that WP:CIVILITY is required to enjoy the right to edit here. It is part of the terms of service that you agree to abide to every time you click "Publish changes" for an edit. BD2412 T 16:23, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
- ... square root of 10 is apparently blue and points to Square root#Square roots of positive integers. I would have no objection to retargeting these redirects there as well. * Pppery * it has begun... 16:02, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
- It was an inane answer to an inane question, but the point I was making was completely serious.
- This comment either misconstrues the question or, given the "cheeto in the bathtub" attitude, is unserious. Should Square root of 5 and Square root of 7 exist? These appear to be quite notable. We probably should have articles on Square root of 8 and Square root of 10. The only difference with 4 and 9 is that the square roots are whole numbers. BD2412 T 14:13, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
- Delete all. These redirects are more likely to confuse than clarify. Articles are better served by linking to Square root. Clicking on a link for Square root of 4 but ending up on a page about a different number (2) without an explanation may be disorienting. Brigandeur (talk) 00:23, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
- Um, what? How is it disorienting to search for "square root of four" and be correctly told that it is two? * Pppery * it has begun... 04:29, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
- It is disorienting as a link from an article. Searching for random terms is a different usage. Should redirects be used as context-less repositories of facts, like a Jeopardy bot? For example, I wonder who the current King of England is. If I search for that term, I get redirected to the topic of the Monarchy, not the person currently holding that title. Brigandeur (talk) 06:48, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
- Um, what? How is it disorienting to search for "square root of four" and be correctly told that it is two? * Pppery * it has begun... 04:29, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
- Keep all (and promote Draft:Square root of 4 to mainspace), and add content to the target articles about the phenomenon of their being the square roots of the smallest numbers to have whole number square roots. BD2412 T 14:17, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
Facepalm . 35.139.154.158 (talk) 15:43, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
- The square root of 10 actually appears to be independently notable and mathematically significant. See Warren R. Giordano and David Fuller, "Is the Universe Cheating at Math By Using the Square Root of 10 Instead of Pi?". BD2412 T 16:18, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
Facepalm
Facepalm 35.139.154.158 (talk) 17:03, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
- Your emojis do not seem to be winning anyone to your point of view. BD2412 T 20:29, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
- Perhaps not, but it's about all I can muster when someone with over 2 million edits suggests, with a straight face apparently, a blatantly crank physics article hosted on academia.edu as evidence of notability of the square root of 10. You lecture me on civility, and yet you waste other people's time with this stuff. All after asking of the square roots of 4 and 9 could host their own articles separate from our articles on 2 and 3. And then you go on to suggest that a nothing "property" be added to the articles on 4 and 9, which both already mention (the second in passing) that these are square numbers, which is the same thing. Come on. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 21:57, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
- You have misread my proposal. I suggested to add something to the target articles (in this discussion, the redirect targets, 2 and 3) indicating that they are, respectively, the square roots of the smallest even and odd numbers to have whole number square roots. BD2412 T 02:27, 16 May 2025 (UTC)
- First, that's simply not true, and second, those articles already say that they're perfect squares, which is the exact same thing as having a whole number square root. And before you proclaim "oho! then redirect them there!", no, for the reasons already stated by me and Brigandeur. I also misread nothing of the sort, you asked, point blank:
. You've turned what should be a fairly mundane discussion into a clusterfuck of red herrings and other nonsense. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 16:23, 16 May 2025 (UTC)Question. Is it possible to have articles on the square root of four and square root of nine that are distinct from the numbers 2 and 3?
- It turns out that it is possible to have articles on the square root of four and square root of nine, and I'm very pleased that now we are going to have these. BD2412 T 01:24, 17 May 2025 (UTC)
Facepalm
Facepalm
Facepalm 35.139.154.158 (talk) 02:10, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
- Your face must be so red by now. BD2412 T 20:01, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
- It turns out that it is possible to have articles on the square root of four and square root of nine, and I'm very pleased that now we are going to have these. BD2412 T 01:24, 17 May 2025 (UTC)
- First, that's simply not true, and second, those articles already say that they're perfect squares, which is the exact same thing as having a whole number square root. And before you proclaim "oho! then redirect them there!", no, for the reasons already stated by me and Brigandeur. I also misread nothing of the sort, you asked, point blank:
- You have misread my proposal. I suggested to add something to the target articles (in this discussion, the redirect targets, 2 and 3) indicating that they are, respectively, the square roots of the smallest even and odd numbers to have whole number square roots. BD2412 T 02:27, 16 May 2025 (UTC)
- Perhaps not, but it's about all I can muster when someone with over 2 million edits suggests, with a straight face apparently, a blatantly crank physics article hosted on academia.edu as evidence of notability of the square root of 10. You lecture me on civility, and yet you waste other people's time with this stuff. All after asking of the square roots of 4 and 9 could host their own articles separate from our articles on 2 and 3. And then you go on to suggest that a nothing "property" be added to the articles on 4 and 9, which both already mention (the second in passing) that these are square numbers, which is the same thing. Come on. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 21:57, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
- Your emojis do not seem to be winning anyone to your point of view. BD2412 T 20:29, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
- (working link: https://www.academia.edu/32723079/Is_the_Universe_Cheating_at_Math_By_Using_the_Square_Root_of_10_Instead_of_Pi?sm=b) * Pppery * it has begun... 18:13, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
- The square root of 10 actually appears to be independently notable and mathematically significant. See Warren R. Giordano and David Fuller, "Is the Universe Cheating at Math By Using the Square Root of 10 Instead of Pi?". BD2412 T 16:18, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
- Convert Square root of 4 to article, using Draft:Square root of 4. Dicklyon (talk) 05:08, 16 May 2025 (UTC)
- Oh give it a rest...your years-long trolling with this is just disruptive, and bordering on ANI-worthy. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 16:23, 16 May 2025 (UTC)
- If you think something is ANI-worthy, then you should take it to ANI. BD2412 T 17:25, 16 May 2025 (UTC)
- Some people have no sense of humor. Dicklyon (talk) 05:36, 17 May 2025 (UTC)
- If you think something is ANI-worthy, then you should take it to ANI. BD2412 T 17:25, 16 May 2025 (UTC)
- Oh give it a rest...your years-long trolling with this is just disruptive, and bordering on ANI-worthy. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 16:23, 16 May 2025 (UTC)
- Delete all along with √4, √9, ... √225. Some redirects from mathematical expressions are useful because they correspond to the reason a number it notable or are faster to type (10^9). Others are useful because they redirect to articles about the expression (e^ipi). These are just calculator results that happen to have an article. Jruderman (talk) 04:37, 17 May 2025 (UTC)
- The chance that someone is going to invoke a redirect with such an obscure character is roughly zero. Yet they're harmless. So why bother? Dicklyon (talk) 05:45, 17 May 2025 (UTC)
- They may be harmless from a reader's perspective, but from an editor's perspective they create the impression that there is a pattern that should be followed and that more such redirects should be created (see "That was the same reason I created Square root of 9" above). Should we bother to to create them, or clean these up and move on? Brigandeur (talk) 09:59, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
- The chance that someone is going to invoke a redirect with such an obscure character is roughly zero. Yet they're harmless. So why bother? Dicklyon (talk) 05:45, 17 May 2025 (UTC)
- Keep. I feel as though redirecting these articles will lead to more debate and a domino effect. If "sqrt4" leading to "2" isn't okay for WP, then what making "2^2" redirecting to "4" okay? Why does "sqrt(-1)" redirect to "Imaginary unit"? "10^6" to "1,000,000"? Where does Wikipedia draw the line? Why not have all "derivative of n" articles redirect to 0? It seems a bit contradictory. MontanaMako (talk) 22:20, 17 May 2025 (UTC)
- Keep. Redirects are cheap. Square root of 4 is a plausible search term or wikilink, and is unambiguously the same number as 2. It should not be a separate article, but some part of Draft:Square root of 4 could plausibly be merged into a section of 2 and the redirect could point at the section. Inre the nomination's
"deleted for similar reasons in a 2019 RfD"
it should be noted that there was a nominator urging deletion, one "weak delete", one person who retracted their vote, and one comment; there wasn't enough discussion to draw any meaningful conclusions about interested Wikipedians' general consensus. –jacobolus (t) 03:23, 19 May 2025 (UTC) - Keep Cheap and unambiguous. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 19:34, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
- Comment: A strongly-related new RfD discussion has been opened at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 May 19#Square root of 25. Steel1943 (talk) 19:30, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
- Weak keep square root of 4 and square root of 9 as redirects; delete sqrt4; and do not replace with the draft article. There's no harm in keeping the redirect to avoid a redlink between square root of 3 and square root of 5, though sqrt4 reads more as calculator input than a plausible search term, and any mathematical properties of the square root of 4 can be adequately discussed in the article about 2 or square root. The draft is a WP:COATRACK and WP:CONTENTFORK. Complex/Rational 22:55, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
- @ComplexRational: Do you have any thoughts on what in the draft should be integrated into the article? 2 is surprisingly sparse as is, as an article on one of the most important numbers. BD2412 T 23:20, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
- Perhaps a couple of sentences about squares, root rectangles and trigonometric rectangles are worth merging. But the rest could easily be written about the square root of any integer (e.g., continued fractions, terminating decimal expansions, standard deviations) by merely copying, pasting, and changing the numbers – in other words, nothing special to the number 2. Complex/Rational 01:06, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
- @ComplexRational: Do you have any thoughts on what in the draft should be integrated into the article? 2 is surprisingly sparse as is, as an article on one of the most important numbers. BD2412 T 23:20, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
Iyf

Early Start

CNN This Morning with Kasie Hunt

Welcome to Molliwood

Rico Yamaguchi

Prashant Sharma
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 May 24#Prashant Sharma
Ultima (spell)
- Ultima (spell) → Recurring elements in the Final Fantasy series#Magic (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Ultima (Final Fantasy) → Recurring elements in the Final Fantasy series#Magic (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Ultima Weapon → Recurring elements in the Final Fantasy series#Monsters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Final fantasy ultima → DigiCube#Ultimania (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No mention at target. Special:Search/"ultima" "final fantasy" has some relevant mentions; not sure whether any of them is a suitable alternative. The last one was apparently originally about the same as the other three, and I am not fully sure it is pertinent, but Ultimania points at a different article so it should probably be consistent with either that or the three mentioned above. 1234qwer1234qwer4 00:45, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: any other thoughts?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Duckmather (talk) 02:49, 29 April 2025 (UTC) - Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: One more try, and any thoughts on the pre-redirect page content?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 15:24, 13 May 2025 (UTC)
- Comment "Ultima Weapon" is bad, since it could refer to weapons from Ultima unrelated to Final Fantasy (such as Ultima (series)). If the edit history needs keeping, it should be dispalced to Ultima (Final Fantasy weapon) and redlinking the current title -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 21:36, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
- Delete all as these seem very obscure. NutmegCoffeeTea (she/her) (talk) 03:37, 16 May 2025 (UTC)
Benz (2025 tamil film)

MOGAI and others

Chyrhyryn Soviet Republic

Urges

Physiology or Medicine

Google Scholar and Academic Libraries

Azerbaiyan

Citizens Protective League

Kurt Mertig

Poor people's rights

Dancing Bush

Shelly (character)

German Film Museum
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Faraday's law induction

Faraday's Law of Induction

Faraday's Law Of Induction

Citations templates

Wubwubwub and Wub wub wub
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DXYK
- DXYK → List of GMA Network radio stations (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Delete. No mention of "DXYK" at target page, became a redirect as a result of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/DXYK just in case it ever became notable 1 year later. 124.104.16.92 (talk) 06:49, 4 May 2025 (UTC)
- Keep, while it's not mentioned on the target, I guess this is because it's not an active station, as opposed to bearing no relevance. That said, it has some history from the former article and the AfD result ended in a redirect specifically to avoid a scenario of deleting it outright. As the initialism was relevant once to a GMA radio station, I don't see any harm keeping this redirect. Bungle (talk • contribs) 06:44, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 10:08, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
- Should it target DZBB-AM where "DXYK 1179" pipes to at the {{Butuan Radio}} template? Jay 💬 13:24, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
- @Jay, it doesn't seem to be/have been the only station called "DXYK" (unless I am mis-reading) and therefore a target of something more general (list of..), rather than to one specifically, may be more appropriate perhaps? Bungle (talk • contribs) 19:28, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
- The DXYK 99.7 pipe at that template uses this redirect. So if we are not going to have content on this, it needs to be removed from the template instead of leaving it a redlink. In which case, DXYK 1179 will be the only one left. Jay 💬 07:16, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
- @Jay, it doesn't seem to be/have been the only station called "DXYK" (unless I am mis-reading) and therefore a target of something more general (list of..), rather than to one specifically, may be more appropriate perhaps? Bungle (talk • contribs) 19:28, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
- Delete There is not enough content anywhere on Wikipedia to do a search for this topic justice. * Pppery * it has begun... 01:07, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
Creation (Dragonlance)

Rational function field

Kashmir earthquake

Cacapoopoopeepeeshire

Cacapoopoo

Cancer in Iowa

Death in biology

Extra time

Urodelus

President and Fellows of Harvard College v. United States Department of Health and Human Services, et al.

Indo-Pakistani war of 2025

Bryce Bonnin

Phoenix Down

Personal respect

Roubke

Infotech

Thiatetrazole

Oxatetrazole

Americo Tomasso

Utah NHL names

Ensues

Mcds

CN-91

Vatican Press
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Cricket Europe
- Cricket Europe → European Cricket Council (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
www.cricketeurope.com is a website which doesn't have a page on English Wikipedia. but, redirecting to the now defunct unrelated council seems misleading. Vestrian24Bio 12:18, 2 May 2025 (UTC)
- Comment there might be scope for a disambiguation page at a title like European Cricket with pages like ICC Europe, European Cricket Council, European Cricket Championships, European Cricket League, Women's European Cricket Championship and see alsos to Europeans cricket team, Europeans cricket team (Ceylon), Central Europe Cup and Category:Cricket in Europe. If created then this wouldn't be a bad redirect to that dab page. Thryduulf (talk) 13:57, 2 May 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Rusalkii (talk) 04:11, 10 May 2025 (UTC)
- Retarget to new disambiguation page per Thryduulf. Justjourney (talk | contribs) 03:57, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
- New DAB per above BugGhost 🦗👻 08:11, 12 May 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nom, and a poor redirect title if we are trying to find another target. A redirect title like Cricket in Europe, maybe. The disambig page may be independently created though. Jay 💬 17:43, 17 May 2025 (UTC)
- Retarget To ICC Europe and have other page ending in (disambiguation). Cricket is the second most popular sport in the world, and someone searching Cricket Europe is probably searching for the sport. Unlikely the insect Servite et contribuere (talk) 03:32, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
- Delete (along with CricketEurope and CricketEurope.com). These redirects would be meant for the cricketeurope.com website, but there is no connection between that website (which is active) and a defunct cricket council. I see no evidence of anything else being referred to as "Cricket Europe" (or variant). -- Tavix (talk) 00:42, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
- Delete The dab page Thryduulf suggests would be mostly WP:PTMs and amount to little more than a poor-man's duplicate of Category:Cricket in Europe. * Pppery * it has begun... 01:06, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
Mayor of Auburn

Joehio

Cyberbullies

Katwe Combined Boxing Club

Dorothy of Oz (manhwa)

Module:Citation
- Module:Citation → Template:Citation (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Redirecting a module to a template is confusing and generally a bad idea - the two systems are distinct, not interchangable. * Pppery * it has begun... 16:45, 16 March 2025 (UTC)
- As creator weak keep to provide breadcrumb links back to Template:Citation or similar, rather than making navigation more difficult. Alternatively, retarget to Category:Citation templates or Help:Citations or similar, or possibly disambiguate. There was a previous debate as to whether the module should be a redirect to Module:Citation/CS1 but that did not work. Having a redlink as the parent makes navigation unnecessarily difficult. If it should not be a redirect so be it. Aasim (話す) 16:54, 16 March 2025 (UTC)
- Oh, this again. To avoid yet-another-similar-discussion, restore the 11:38, 21 May 2018 version of the module. For those who can't see deleted modules, that version simply emitted this glaring red error message when Module:Citation was invoked:
- Lua error in Module:Citation at line 1: This module is retained for historical and structural reasons; consider using Module:Citation/CS1..
- The associated ~/doc page had some explanatory text:
- Development of Lua support for both Citation Style 1 and Citation Style 2 began at Module:Citation. That development was abandoned in 2013 as development of Module:Citation/CS1 began.
- Though this module remained unused, it is and has been the root page of the several module subpages that implement cs1 and cs2. The content of this module was replaced with an error message return as the result of a 2018 TfD.
- That was sufficient to occupy space, to explain why there is nothing else there, and to keep those who care about bread crumbs happy.
- —Trappist the monk (talk)
17:16, 16 March 2025 (UTC)added text from Module:Citation/doc; 23:42, 16 March 2025 (UTC)- How might disambiguation work? The script error is probably better than a confusing Lua error. We can hard redirect to Module:Citation/CS1 if that is a concern, but there are dozens of citation modules including Module:Cite book that should be considered. Aasim (話す) 21:49, 16 March 2025 (UTC)
- I really don't know what you're talking about. Why should we care about disambiguation? Why is the Module:Cite book family of modules a concern for this RfD about Module:Citation?
- —Trappist the monk (talk) 23:42, 16 March 2025 (UTC)
- How might disambiguation work? The script error is probably better than a confusing Lua error. We can hard redirect to Module:Citation/CS1 if that is a concern, but there are dozens of citation modules including Module:Cite book that should be considered. Aasim (話す) 21:49, 16 March 2025 (UTC)
- Restore the old version per Trappist the monk. That seems very significantly more helpful than deletion. Thryduulf (talk) 18:38, 16 March 2025 (UTC)
- Retarget to Module:Citation/CS1 as an {{R to subpage}} and {{R from short name}}. Trappist the monk's proposal is certainly better than the current situation and I support it as my second preference but I don't see why leaving {{#invoke:Citation}} broken is preferred to it being a shortcut to {{#invoke:citation/CS1}}. Nickps (talk) 21:37, 16 March 2025 (UTC)
- Module:Citation was soft redirected from 20:05, 8 July 2024 – 22:35, 16 August 2024 when the module was deleted. We could go back to that though I'd rather do the hard error message that I advocate above so that we avoid the confusion of invokes of redirected modules in templates. If you want to use Module:Citation/CS1, use Module:Citation/CS1; don't take the roundabout path via Module:Citation. This is not a case where we are making life easier because there are lots of things invoking Module:Citation; there are none so there is no reason to act as if those invokes exist.
- —Trappist the monk (talk) 23:42, 16 March 2025 (UTC)
- If we are going to do that route, why not just move Module:Citation/CS1 to Module:Citation and call it a day? Module:Citation/CS2 is barely used. In fact, I probably will TfD CS2 as mostly unused and redundant with Module:Citation/CS1. Aasim (話す) 14:47, 17 March 2025 (UTC)
- Yep, I TfD'd it: Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2025_March_17#Module:Citation/CS2 Aasim (話す) 14:52, 17 March 2025 (UTC)
- I gave reasons why we should not move Module:Citation/CS1 → Module:Citation in the previous discussion. Acknowledge that Module:Citation/CS1 is an oddball and leave it be.
- —Trappist the monk (talk) 16:01, 17 March 2025 (UTC)
- If we are going to do that route, why not just move Module:Citation/CS1 to Module:Citation and call it a day? Module:Citation/CS2 is barely used. In fact, I probably will TfD CS2 as mostly unused and redundant with Module:Citation/CS1. Aasim (話す) 14:47, 17 March 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per previous discussion at TFD. Izno (talk) 22:41, 17 March 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Restore the glaring red error message version or Delete per the previous TfD? Retarget to CS1 or Disambiguate per the page drafted at the redirect? The mentioned TfD for CS2 was withdrawn.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 14:35, 28 March 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per the previous TfD. The module was history merged, and that is how it is retained. It is not retained at "Module:Citation".—Alalch E. 16:55, 29 March 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Steel1943 (talk) 22:44, 14 April 2025 (UTC)
- On another thought, could we potentially redirect to Module:Cite (and change the content model back to Scribunto)? Aasim (話す) 17:41, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I have left a notice at the relevant talk page (Module:Citation's redirects to Help talk:Citation style 2). Let's try one more time.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Rusalkii (talk) 22:19, 7 May 2025 (UTC) - Delete per nom Supertian8 (talk) 15:40, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per TfD where it was deleted. This is an exact WP:G4. Gonnym (talk) 16:28, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
- Restore the old version per Trappist the monk. Optimal outcome. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 19:35, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
St. Sebastiao

Potential Tropical Cyclone Nine
- Potential Tropical Cyclone Nine → Atlantic hurricane season (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
More than one "Potential Tropical Cyclone Nine" since 2017. Has been used in 2020 and 2024 A1Cafel (talk) 04:05, 29 March 2025 (UTC)
- @A1Cafel: what is the relevance of 2017 to this redirect? Thryduulf (talk) 11:48, 29 March 2025 (UTC)
- Not much, just a basic info of Potential Tropical Cyclone. --A1Cafel (talk) 15:39, 29 March 2025 (UTC)
- @Thryduulf: Seems designation was introduced then. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 08:35, 29 April 2025 (UTC).
- This isn't going to a specific yearly season anymore, it was retargeted to the generalized non-numbered season article. It originally went to 2024 before being retargeted to Hurricane Helene before the lack of a year disambiguator brought it to its current page. Departure– (talk) 14:09, 29 March 2025 (UTC)
- Delete. Ambiguous title. Should've been suppressed when it was moved to Potential Tropical Cyclone Nine (2024) back in September. CycloneYoris talk! 06:54, 6 April 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 16:28, 7 April 2025 (UTC)- I failed to !vote initially but I'd vote either keep or retarget to Tropical cyclone naming. This originally did redirect to 2024 Atlantic hurricane season but now it redirects to the vague general Atlantic hurricane season article so for all I care it's moot without a year disambiguator. Departure– (talk) 16:58, 7 April 2025 (UTC)
- @Departure–:
It's moot without a year disambiguator
. No, it isn't. The lack of disambiguator only makes this more confusing, since the term "Potential Tropical Cyclone Nine" is used every single year, so we don't want readers getting confused. The term isn't even mentioned at target anyway (nor anywhere else for that matter). CycloneYoris talk! 20:16, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
- @Departure–:
- I failed to !vote initially but I'd vote either keep or retarget to Tropical cyclone naming. This originally did redirect to 2024 Atlantic hurricane season but now it redirects to the vague general Atlantic hurricane season article so for all I care it's moot without a year disambiguator. Departure– (talk) 16:58, 7 April 2025 (UTC)
- Delete, hopelessly vague. -- Tavix (talk) 21:42, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Notified of this discussion at the suggested target.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 18:33, 23 April 2025 (UTC)
- Either Delete or DABify - There have been several Potential Tropical Cyclone Nine's in history. WFUM🔥🌪️ (talk) 20:23, 24 April 2025 (UTC)
- I would retarget to Glossary_of_tropical_cyclone_terms#P which is where Potential tropical cyclone targets. Any other ambiguous potential tropical cyclone redirects could point here too. Skarmory (talk • contribs) 21:30, 28 April 2025 (UTC)
- But there's no mention of a "Potential Tropical Cyclone Nine" there either. Why are you proposing to retarget this to a page where it isn't mentioned? CycloneYoris talk! 08:43, 1 May 2025 (UTC)
- If we're not going to have a list of PTC Nines, it lets readers see what a Potential Tropical Cyclone is; I don't think it needs to mention every number ever used for a PTC, though the final sentence of
These systems are designated as "Potential Tropical Cyclones"
could potentially be worded to indicate that they are numbered. Skarmory (talk • contribs) 19:10, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
- If we're not going to have a list of PTC Nines, it lets readers see what a Potential Tropical Cyclone is; I don't think it needs to mention every number ever used for a PTC, though the final sentence of
- But there's no mention of a "Potential Tropical Cyclone Nine" there either. Why are you proposing to retarget this to a page where it isn't mentioned? CycloneYoris talk! 08:43, 1 May 2025 (UTC)
- Retarget per Skarmory, or dabify. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 08:30, 29 April 2025 (UTC).
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Rusalkii (talk) 21:30, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per CycloneYoris. I don't understand the relevance of "Nine", or how targeting to the glossary is going to help. Jay 💬 14:30, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
- Reluctantly Retarget to Glossary_of_tropical_cyclone_terms#P. I was going to close this as delete, which seems reasonable at first glance, but it's verboten for "X (Y)" to exist when "X" doesn't and Potential Tropical Cyclone Nine (2024) exists, so this is what we have to do. * Pppery * it has begun... 00:58, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
Various draftspace redirects

Office hours
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El mahdi Mohammad Senosi
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Mega Man II
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Varian Carty

Presidental
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Pope John XXIV

San Diego, United States

Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Disability-related articles
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Enemies list
- Enemies list → Nixon's Enemies List (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Enemies List → Nixon's Enemies List (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Although Nixon's enemies list was perhaps the most famous, the general concept is much broader than one person. BD2412 T 01:51, 24 March 2025 (UTC)
- My first thought was disambiguation, with the current target and Enemy of the people. When searching for others I discovered that we have many comic book lists along the lines of List of Aquaman enemies, List of Batman family enemies, etc, that all seem to be covered at Lists of villains. I'm not sure whether slightly broadening that page or creating a new disambiguation page at this title, Lists of enemies or Enemies lists and linking them as see-alsos would be better? Thryduulf (talk) 02:04, 24 March 2025 (UTC)
- @Thryduulf: I'd wager that moving List of villains to either Lists of enemies and villians or Lists of villains and enemies would be a good call here, given a synonymous relationship between the words "enemy" and "villain" cannot be assumed. Steel1943 (talk) 23:05, 24 March 2025 (UTC)
- I could imagine making it a disambiguation but the term as such—"enemies list", not "list of enemies"—is almost always a direct or indirect allusion to Nixon's. (If anyone wants anything from me beyond this one remark, please ping me: I don't maintain a watchlist on en-wiki.) Jmabel | Talk 02:08, 24 March 2025 (UTC)
- I was recently hit up about this on my talk page, and I stand by my original remark. See, for example, https://politicaldictionary.com/words/enemies-list/, https://www.history.com/articles/richard-nixon-enemies-list-who-was-on-it. Question to those who say this term should be treated as more generic: is there any indication of the term being used prior to Nixon? - Jmabel | Talk 17:56, 7 April 2025 (UTC)
- Comment. In a good amount of fictional media, the phrase "enemies list" is synonymous with Bestiary. Steel1943 (talk) 22:59, 24 March 2025 (UTC)
Retarget to List of villains (or wherever the aforementioned titled redirects to when this discussion is closed). The article may need to be updated to include the current target of the nominated redirect, but either way, the current material of List of villains seems like the appropriate target for this redirect. Steel1943 (talk) 23:07, 24 March 2025 (UTC)- Totally meh at this point per the comments following this one. Any other comments I've made in this discussion still apply. Steel1943 (talk) 16:23, 25 March 2025 (UTC)
- Delete, given the varied responses without clear target. Personally, my first thought the enemies list TV trope. The first page of Google search results included Enemies List Home Recording, Kash Patel's enemies list (NYT), Trump's enemies list (Independent), Nixon's Enemies List, and Rick Wilson's The Enemies List podcast. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 00:09, 25 March 2025 (UTC)
- Given that the podcast is mentioned in Rick Wilson (political consultant), I now do think that there is sufficient content to disambiguate. I would add Rogues' gallery, if that was expanded to touch on the concept in fiction. BD2412 T 02:25, 25 March 2025 (UTC)
- delete per the however many different definitions of "enemy". it doesn't necessarily mean "villain" or even "antagonist", and definitions can vary based on extremely fickle variables. for an example i'm pretty sure most people would understand, some could consider king dedede an "enemy", but even ignoring how he's friend-shaped (i will hear no arguments to the contrary), his enmity with kirbo (or with anyone else for that matter) has been a matter of perspective or a misunderstanding at best since the second game. i oppose a dab for the same reason, since then "enemy" could just refer to anything in any context that opposes anything under any perspective we can see something in (give or take this caveat, even) for any reason in any way consarn (prison phone) (crime record) 11:09, 25 March 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per Significa liberdade and consarn; this term has myriad possible definitions, there is no clear WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, and it's too ambiguous to target any particular article. I suggest that a WP:DAB page is a good idea in the long term, but in the meantime, WP:REDYES and WP:WTAF apply. Carguychris (talk) 14:26, 25 March 2025 (UTC)
- Delete. An enemies list is a common subject in fiction and real life (as far back as The Mikado's "As someday it may happen"), and thus a redirect to just one of them is counterproductive. -insert valid name here- (talk) 19:37, 25 March 2025 (UTC)
- Note I've added the capitalised Enemies List redirect to this discussion. Thryduulf (talk) 22:42, 25 March 2025 (UTC)
- Drafted a list of lists at Draft:Lists of enemies and villains to which I propose retargetting both this redirect and Lists of villains. Thryduulf (talk) 22:42, 25 March 2025 (UTC)
- Comment: I would say that Enemies list and Enemies List are separate concepts from List(s) of enemies. As such, I would disagree with redirecting the first two to the latter. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 03:45, 1 April 2025 (UTC)
- @BD2412, Steel1943, Consarn, Carguychris, and -insert valid name here-: Pinging participants to notify the listing of the capitalized Enemies List. Jay 💬 16:21, 11 April 2025 (UTC)
- same case, if it needs to be said consarn (prison phone) (crime record) 16:23, 11 April 2025 (UTC)
- I have drafted a potential disambiguation page for the specific phrase, "Enemies list", under the current redirect. BD2412 T 17:32, 11 April 2025 (UTC)
- I don't understand the separation of "enemies list" and "list of enemies" and consider this dab to be significantly inferior to the one I drafted. Thryduulf (talk) 00:28, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
- @Thryduulf: There are three things in the encyclopedia specifically titled "Enemies list", with or without internal capitalization. I don't think the podcast is a proper subset of a "list of enemies", because despite its name being derived from that, it is not merely a literal listing of enemies. At the least, in your page the podcast should be in the hatnote rather than the body. Otherwise, a disambiguation page should exist (albeit, possibly at Enemies list (disambiguation), with the current redirects pointing to your list as the primary topic). BD2412 T 00:19, 14 April 2025 (UTC)
- @BD2412 I'm not sure I understand your comment (this is probably on me as I feel like I should understand it), could you try rephrasing. Thryduulf (talk) 10:10, 14 April 2025 (UTC)
- I mean that we should have separate pages for the concept of a set list of enemies or villains, and for disambiguation of unrelated meanings of the phrase "enemies list". BD2412 T 16:04, 14 April 2025 (UTC)
- @BD2412 I'm not sure I understand your comment (this is probably on me as I feel like I should understand it), could you try rephrasing. Thryduulf (talk) 10:10, 14 April 2025 (UTC)
- @Thryduulf: There are three things in the encyclopedia specifically titled "Enemies list", with or without internal capitalization. I don't think the podcast is a proper subset of a "list of enemies", because despite its name being derived from that, it is not merely a literal listing of enemies. At the least, in your page the podcast should be in the hatnote rather than the body. Otherwise, a disambiguation page should exist (albeit, possibly at Enemies list (disambiguation), with the current redirects pointing to your list as the primary topic). BD2412 T 00:19, 14 April 2025 (UTC)
- I don't understand the separation of "enemies list" and "list of enemies" and consider this dab to be significantly inferior to the one I drafted. Thryduulf (talk) 00:28, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
- I have drafted a potential disambiguation page for the specific phrase, "Enemies list", under the current redirect. BD2412 T 17:32, 11 April 2025 (UTC)
- same case, if it needs to be said consarn (prison phone) (crime record) 16:23, 11 April 2025 (UTC)
- Keep Enemies List per WP:SMALLDIFFERENCES but delete the first one due to unresolveable ambiguity. Cremastra talk 18:32, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: any more thoughts on the capitalized version or the dab?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, asilvering (talk) 23:56, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
- I like the DAB, though given all three entries on it are capitalized, it should probably be at Enemies List with the sentence case version redirecting there. I am also fine with keeping the redirect to Nixon's list. Skarmory (talk • contribs) 04:41, 29 April 2025 (UTC)
- Keep as the primary topic, but I would not be opposed to adding Lists of villains to the hatnote. -- Tavix (talk) 14:59, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Let's try one more time.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Rusalkii (talk) 17:28, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
- I have used BD2412's drafted dab and moved it to Enemies List per Skarmory. I also made Nixon's list the primary. Jay 💬 16:44, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
Stupid dog

Sexual Anomalies
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Theory of Gender Neutrality

The Needs of the Many

In some cases, such as when editors are suggesting multiple retargeting options, it may be best to close the discussion as "no consensus, disambiguate" with the disambiguation page listing the various options as applicable.* Pppery * it has begun... 03:56, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
Yuanshuo era

Falsterbo Horse Show

Moving contact lubricant
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Automatic lubricating cup
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River House Records

Asian Library
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Bianca de Vera
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Benching

Sans song

Infinite Frameworks

Four Fiends

North Bangkok University

Talk:Avoidant personality disorder/Archive 9

Chyrhyryn Soviet Republic
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Trioxin

DYRG

Discover World

Kdam Eurovision 2018

Dei
Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: Disambiguate
This is a tricky discussion to close. Numerically, disambiguation has the most support (although 65.92.246.77's comment should arguably be discounted for failing to make any argument at all). The argument in favor of keeping is WP:DIFFCAPS, but that is a descriptive, not a prescriptive policy, it says that small details are often sufficient to distinguish topics
, not that they always are. And Thryduulf's Wikinav link chain, asserting that in this specific case the stats prove that it is not sufficient and that "diversity, equity, and inclusion" is primary, has tellingly not been refuted by any of the participants. But closing as "retarget to Diversity, equity, and inclusion" would be against the wishes of nearly two-thirds of the participants, and it's widely agreed (both here and in general) upon that correct names should be given some degree of privlege over incorrect names, so that can't be done.
P Aculeius attempts to counter Thryduulf's usage argument by raising a "long-term significance" argument in favor of the god being primary, which has also not been refuted by any of the participants. But that, at best, takes us to the situation where (quote from WP:Primary topic) In a few cases, there is some conflict between a topic of primary usage (Apple Inc.) and one of primary long-term significance (Apple). In such a case, consensus may be useful in determining which topic, if any, is the primary topic.
, giving no guidance and falling back to the logic in the previous paragraph, where there isn't really a consensus for any one topic to be primary here.
Wikipedia:MN
- Wikipedia:MN → Wikipedia:Notability (music)#Criteria for musicians and ensembles (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
WP:MN pointed to Wikipedia:WikiProject Music/Noticeboard from 2006 to 2018. It was then redirected to Wikipedia:Notability (music)#Criteria for musicians and ensembles and currently points there. It has received about 1200 pageviews since 2018. Editors from Wikipedia:WikiProject Minnesota have requested that the shortcut point to that project as MN is the standard abbreviation for the state. A discussion at the notability guideline's talkpage did not find consensus. gobonobo + c 21:20, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
- Keep per my comments in the linked discussion -
Shortcuts being ambiguous is very common and not a problem. What is a problem is retargetting well-used shortcuts as this just causes confusion when one person refers to it (not necessarily linked) expecting it to still target the original location (how often do you check the targets of shortcuts you use frequently) at the same time as others refer to it expecting it to point at the new location. Editing long-closed discussions to change the target of redirects like this is disruptive makework. The incomming links for this redirect I spot check all clearly intend the current location. Deletion would just break things for no benefit to anybody.
Thryduulf (talk) 21:36, 20 April 2025 (UTC) - Retarget to Wikipedia:WikiProject Minnesota as a short and logical shortcut to a project that needs one. I'm not buying an argument that it's a sensible shortcut for the current target. When referring to notability, the N comes first, not last (eg: WP:NBAND, WP:NALBUM). Employing a hatnote (especially with an explanatory note that it was the previous target) would resolve any confusion for anyone following old music-related links. -- Tavix (talk) 22:13, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
- Keep – This has been used as a shortcut to WP:MUSICBIO etc. in discussions and presumably in edit summaries for many years now. What Thryduulf said. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 03:49, 21 April 2025 (UTC)
- Disambiguate due to being old, and this most likely has excessive edit summary linking, which cannot be changed. I do sympathize with the nominator, but it seems this is now the best solution. Steel1943 (talk) 04:00, 21 April 2025 (UTC)
- Retarget or Disambiguate – "NY" goes to the WikiProject New York (state). I do not see any reason for MN not to redirect to WikiProject Minnesota. The Minnesota User Group is trying to rekindle interest and develop new projects after going dark after COVID-19. This means rebuilding the infrastructure and making finding resources on Wikipedia for Minnesotans and those wishing to help on Minnesota topics more straightforward.
- As per my original comments: The original link was created in 2006 to redirect to "WikiProject Music/Noticeboard" which is currently inactive. A redirect to "MN" made sense for "Music/Noticeboard." It makes little sense to for WP:MN to go to "Criteria for musicians and ensembles" it appears someone just coopted it. As @Pingnova pointed out the section already has three shortcuts and WP:MN is not listed as one of them supporting the idea that it was just taken.
- It is important to point out that the shortcut WP:MN has been used only 96 times since 2006. However the shortcuts WP:BAND, WP:MUSICBIO, & WP:SINGER each has been used thousands of times. The comment that MN is a "well-used shortcut" does not play out according to the evidence. Keeping a "MN" as short link "Criteria for musicians and ensembles" appears to be nothing more than link hoarding or pride. If it is a case of the latter then remove it from "Criteria for musicians and ensembles" and send to a Disambiguate page, so then no one will be happy. Myotus (talk) 03:20, 29 April 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Rusalkii (talk) 05:51, 28 April 2025 (UTC)
- Retarget - I believe this should be retargeted to Wikiproject Minnesota due to its relatively few uses and we could simply change the link in places it is used because of how infrequently it is used. Especially as it isn’t even listed as a link to that section in the section itself. Lastly Minnesota is very frequently abbreviated to MN and this is the first time musicians has been abbreviated to it. Macaw* 16:57, 30 April 2025 (UTC)
- Additionally add a hat note mentioning the former redirect Macaw* 17:55, 30 April 2025 (UTC)
- Disambiguate WP:Minnesota will never be a sought out target. No U.S. State wikiproject should occupy 2-letter abbreviation shortcuts, since they are all moribund, and it would not be a very useful use of such a prominent short redirect. -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 16:03, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
- I see your point but other state wikiprojects have two letter links such as WP:NY and the criteria for musicians is rarly linked to with WP:MN compared to it's other shortcuts and a hat note would solve any issues that disambiguation would solve. Macaw* 02:00, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
- User:65.92.246.77 (aka: anonymous), "Minnesota will never be a sought out target." It is rather insulting to hear such bias. We will move our state to the coast so folks will seek us out.
The following US States use 2-letter abbreviation shortcuts in the English Wikipedia version.- WP:AK - Wikipedia:WikiProject Alaska
- WP:AZ - Wikipedia:WikiProject Arizona
- WP:IL - Wikipedia:WikiProject Illinois
- WP:KY - Wikipedia:WikiProject Kentucky
- WP:MI - Wikipedia:WikiProject Michigan
- WP:MS - Wikipedia:WikiProject Mississippi
- WP:MO - Wikipedia:WikiProject Missouri
- WP:NH - Wikipedia:WikiProject New_Hampshire
- WP:NJ - Wikipedia:WikiProject New_Jersey
- WP:NY - Wikipedia:WikiProject New_York_(state)
- WP:OH - Wikipedia:WikiProject Ohio
- WP:OK - Wikipedia:WikiProject Oklahoma
- WP:TN - Wikipedia:WikiProject Tennessee
- If two letter codes are too valuable to assign to US states and need to be held in limbo just in case they might need to be assigned in a possible redirect in the English Wikipedia version for some unknown future use then we need to pull these State codes too. Myotus (talk) 23:07, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 07:04, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
- Weak disambiguate (or keep as second choice) as retargeting seems like it would disrupt a lot of links. I've drafted the dab page. Duckmather (talk) 19:02, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
- Yeah but this rediret is only used 96 times and the disruption could be solved with intuition when you get sent to a irrelivent page to the topic you were just in and a hatnote. Macaw* 21:03, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
- @Macaw:, yes, possibly 96 times in links in pages and articles, but there could be links in edit summaries that are not included in count. Steel1943 (talk) 20:41, 13 May 2025 (UTC)
- Could be? Please do the work to support your statement. If not, then the redirect is only used 96 times. It is frustrating when the people making the arguments against retargeting do not back up their statements with evidence. Myotus (talk) 02:17, 17 May 2025 (UTC)
- @Macaw:, yes, possibly 96 times in links in pages and articles, but there could be links in edit summaries that are not included in count. Steel1943 (talk) 20:41, 13 May 2025 (UTC)
- Yeah but this rediret is only used 96 times and the disruption could be solved with intuition when you get sent to a irrelivent page to the topic you were just in and a hatnote. Macaw* 21:03, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
- Retarget to Wikipedia:WikiProject Minnesota. I prefer to err on the side of preserving shortcuts, but in this case, there doesn't seem to be a need for WP:MN to point to Wikipedia:Notability (music)#Criteria for musicians and ensembles. It isn't a commonly known or used shortcut, and the few instances of its most recent use (since 2018 when its original target was deprecated) can largely be corrected. This type of shortcut is intuitive and common for many regional WikiProjects. gobonobo + c 01:33, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose disambiguation. Projectspace shortcuts are generally ambiguous by nature. It is only appropriate to disambiguate them in rare or special cases, a bar which this does not seem to quite meet. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 05:33, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
- How so? Please support opinions and statements with evidence. Myotus (talk) 02:07, 17 May 2025 (UTC)
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Historic Palestine
- Historic Palestine → Palestine (disambiguation) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Following this discussion, the page was redirected to the disambiguation page over the argument that the term might refer to Mandatory Palestine. Well, see the opening at Palestine (region): history starts long before 1920. Retarget to Palestine (region). ~ IvanScrooge98 (talk) 21:30, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
- Keep for the exact same reason it was retargetted here in the last discussion: The term may refer to either topic on the disambiguation page with neither being the clear primary topic. Thryduulf (talk) 23:56, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
- You’re missing the point. “Historic Palestine” never refers to Mandatory Palestine per se, nor is the latter term antithetical to the simple wording “Palestine”. Mandatory Palestine is only the final polity to exist in the region of Palestine, or “historic Palestine”, before the establishment of Israel. In other terms, “historic Palestine” refers to the region throughout the centuries, not to a specific point in time. Therefore, it should redirect to Palestine (region), as the lead section of this article clearly shows. ~ IvanScrooge98 (talk) 00:35, 28 April 2025 (UTC)
- Keep per Thryduulf. It's not explained why Historic Palestine would not refer to Mandatory Palestine, that seems like a very plausible target for this and just as much so as the region and its older history. Neither meaning is primary so keeping as a disambiguation is best. — Amakuru (talk) 01:25, 28 April 2025 (UTC)
- See my reply to the above vote. ~ IvanScrooge98 (talk) 09:16, 28 April 2025 (UTC)
- Retarget per nom. Based on my searches, this mainly appears to be a vaguely-defined geographic term. I'm not seeing any sources that specifically refer to the polity of Mandatory Palestine using this phrase. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 02:07, 28 April 2025 (UTC)
- Retarget per nom and Presidentman 𐩣𐩫𐩧𐩨 Abo Yemen (𓃵) 04:40, 28 April 2025 (UTC)
- Retarget to History of Palestine, which covers Palestine historically (including the mandate!). -- Tavix (talk) 13:43, 28 April 2025 (UTC)
- ...I removed the mandate template from this page as apparently improperly used when on non-article talk pages. Steel1943 (talk) 15:17, 28 April 2025 (UTC)
- Retarget to History of Palestine per Tavix, as well as the redirect being the closest title match to that target. Steel1943 (talk) 15:17, 28 April 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Current target, History of Palestine, or Palestine (region)?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Rusalkii (talk) 23:17, 4 May 2025 (UTC)
- History of Palestine seems like a reasonable target to me. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 13:41, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
- Retarget to History of Palestine which seems the most appropriate. The current target Palestine (disambiguation) (a) lists only those historic entities that include Palestine in their name, thereby missing out quite a few that don't, and (b) also lists various other articles not related to the region (except in name); the alternative suggestion of Palestine (region) is better, though not limited to history. Rosbif73 (talk) 15:04, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
- But “historic Palestine” is an expression referring to the territory historically identified as “Palestine”, not necessarily to its historical events. Hence why it is literally mentioned as a synonym in the lead of Palestine (region). ~ IvanScrooge98 (talk) 15:39, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
- We can always add a hatnote. Steel1943 (talk) 18:37, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
- That’s for sure, but it’s still a bit weird to me how redirecting to an article literally mentioning “historic Palestine” in bold in the lead is not the most obvious option. ~ IvanScrooge98 (talk) 18:40, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
- ...It seems that what's obvious to some is not obvious to others. That, and the bolding can always be adjusted, as well as it still being valid if the page which it is on is included in a hatnote on another page. Steel1943 (talk) 18:41, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
- That’s for sure, but it’s still a bit weird to me how redirecting to an article literally mentioning “historic Palestine” in bold in the lead is not the most obvious option. ~ IvanScrooge98 (talk) 18:40, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
- We can always add a hatnote. Steel1943 (talk) 18:37, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
- But “historic Palestine” is an expression referring to the territory historically identified as “Palestine”, not necessarily to its historical events. Hence why it is literally mentioned as a synonym in the lead of Palestine (region). ~ IvanScrooge98 (talk) 15:39, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
- Comment: there's another redirect, Historical Palestine, which currently redirects to Palestine (region) (where it is mentioned in the hatnote). Whatever decision prevails for the historic redirect should presumably also be applied to the historical one too. Rosbif73 (talk) 08:56, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
- Yep, I’m responsible for the latest changes to that redirect and the hatnote, for the same reasons I have opened this discussion. I’ll obviously be amending that one, too, in accordance with the outcome here. ~ IvanScrooge98 (talk) 12:32, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
- Retarget to History of Palestine (or its alter ego History of Palestine (region), depending upon the outcome of the move request). Let us see if we cannot form some kind of consistent approach to this question. Of the countries I found, we have Historic Iran redirecting to History of Iran for almost 16 years; Historical China to History of China for 11 years; Historical India to History of India for 7 years; relatively new Historical germany to History of Germany; new Historical Pakistan to History of Pakistan. On the other hand, only Historic syria redirects to Syria (disambiguation) for 12 years instead of History of Syria; relatively new Historic Israel to Land of Israel instead of History of Israel; brand new Historical Armenia goes to Armenian highlands instead of History of Armenia. Havradim leaf a message 23:40, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
- The thing is “historic Palestine” has a pretty defined usage as a name for the geographical region. It makes sense for Historical Germany to redirect to History of Germany because it cannot refer to anything else, as Germany (region) is not an established concept. Historic Israel redirecting to Land of Israel is a good analogy. until 1948, both “Israel” and “Palestine” had a different meaning than they do now, and the modern polities have not emerged in continuity with anything; so marking the name with a “historic” tag has more implications than just the history of two countries which have basically never existed until modern times, both as political concepts and as political entities. ~ IvanScrooge98 (talk) 09:01, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
- I can think of List of historic states of Germany or Pan-Germanism as 2 plausible targets for Historical Germany; Greater India, Indian subcontinent, or Hindustan as targets for Historical India; Greater China as a target for Historical China, and so on. Your argument that *Historic Palestine* is any different from these is not convincing. On the other hand, Historic England and Historic Scotland are well defined entities. Havradim leaf a message 12:30, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
- You didn’t get my argument. “Historic Palestine”, unlike the above phrases, has been used as a meaningful expression with a pretty defined meaning, it’s not a simple juxtaposition of adjective+name that may convey a number of different meanings (which ones is up to the reader to interpret based or the context, like you’re trying to do here). While Historic England and Historic Scotland have nothing to do with this discussion to begin with because they don’t even refer to territories. ~ IvanScrooge98 (talk) 15:36, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
- I'm trying hard to understand what you mean. If you mean to say that *Historic Palestine* is a term that was meant to convey the idea that the area that is roughly analogous to what was previously known as Mandatory Palestine has since been only partially reclaimed by the State of Palestine, with the rest being filled up by a nation with a completely different name (Israel), and that therefore there is a need to connect the rest of the territory with Palestine, I can see why you think that this term is different from the other ones mentioned in my first post. However, it could well be argued that Historical India fits this definition as well, since Pakistan and Bangladesh currently fill up the remainder of what was once the Indian subcontinent (I'm unaware of any designs India may have on Pakistan or Bangladesh proper, but this may be beside the point). And yet, precedent here has still found History of India to be the correct target. I agree with Tavix and Steel1943 that the history articles cover the geographic and political boundaries quite well already, and they are the closest to the redirect linguistically. Fortunately, Palestine (region) is linked on the first line of the history article. I am loathe to doing what sounds to me like needlessly introducing a nationalism dispute to Wikipedia. For the record, I think Historic Israel should be retargeted to History of Israel, for neutrality reasons and consistency with the above points. Havradim leaf a message 18:52, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
- My point was very simple. A region that remained historically cohese for centuries was at one point divided, and since then “Historic Palestine” has been used by scholars to refer to the entire region as historically understood, to avoid using the now politically-charged simpler terming of “Palestine”. I overlooked that India/Pakistan has gone through something similar, but to be fair I’m not as familiar with the history of the Indian subcontinent and the terminological practices adopted in its regard, so I don’t know if the things can be compared. Anyways, my point still stands in contrast with most other cases, where the territories identified as China, Germany etc. still are approximately the same as their historical predecessors, so an expression like “historical Germany” does not carry a geopolitical meaning and cannot be compared to “historic Palestine” (or “historical India” for that matter). ~ IvanScrooge98 (talk) 19:18, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
- I disagree with you on Germany and China though. If you read List of historic states of Germany and Pan-Germanism and peruse the maps, one could make the argument that Poland, Russia and Czechia have filled out areas of former iterations of Germany. And the Chinese have their One China policy (regarding the contested status of Taiwan). I don't think it would be fair to give preference on Wikipedia to one nationalistic group over another. Havradim leaf a message 20:36, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
- My point was very simple. A region that remained historically cohese for centuries was at one point divided, and since then “Historic Palestine” has been used by scholars to refer to the entire region as historically understood, to avoid using the now politically-charged simpler terming of “Palestine”. I overlooked that India/Pakistan has gone through something similar, but to be fair I’m not as familiar with the history of the Indian subcontinent and the terminological practices adopted in its regard, so I don’t know if the things can be compared. Anyways, my point still stands in contrast with most other cases, where the territories identified as China, Germany etc. still are approximately the same as their historical predecessors, so an expression like “historical Germany” does not carry a geopolitical meaning and cannot be compared to “historic Palestine” (or “historical India” for that matter). ~ IvanScrooge98 (talk) 19:18, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
- I'm trying hard to understand what you mean. If you mean to say that *Historic Palestine* is a term that was meant to convey the idea that the area that is roughly analogous to what was previously known as Mandatory Palestine has since been only partially reclaimed by the State of Palestine, with the rest being filled up by a nation with a completely different name (Israel), and that therefore there is a need to connect the rest of the territory with Palestine, I can see why you think that this term is different from the other ones mentioned in my first post. However, it could well be argued that Historical India fits this definition as well, since Pakistan and Bangladesh currently fill up the remainder of what was once the Indian subcontinent (I'm unaware of any designs India may have on Pakistan or Bangladesh proper, but this may be beside the point). And yet, precedent here has still found History of India to be the correct target. I agree with Tavix and Steel1943 that the history articles cover the geographic and political boundaries quite well already, and they are the closest to the redirect linguistically. Fortunately, Palestine (region) is linked on the first line of the history article. I am loathe to doing what sounds to me like needlessly introducing a nationalism dispute to Wikipedia. For the record, I think Historic Israel should be retargeted to History of Israel, for neutrality reasons and consistency with the above points. Havradim leaf a message 18:52, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
- You didn’t get my argument. “Historic Palestine”, unlike the above phrases, has been used as a meaningful expression with a pretty defined meaning, it’s not a simple juxtaposition of adjective+name that may convey a number of different meanings (which ones is up to the reader to interpret based or the context, like you’re trying to do here). While Historic England and Historic Scotland have nothing to do with this discussion to begin with because they don’t even refer to territories. ~ IvanScrooge98 (talk) 15:36, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
- I can think of List of historic states of Germany or Pan-Germanism as 2 plausible targets for Historical Germany; Greater India, Indian subcontinent, or Hindustan as targets for Historical India; Greater China as a target for Historical China, and so on. Your argument that *Historic Palestine* is any different from these is not convincing. On the other hand, Historic England and Historic Scotland are well defined entities. Havradim leaf a message 12:30, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
- The thing is “historic Palestine” has a pretty defined usage as a name for the geographical region. It makes sense for Historical Germany to redirect to History of Germany because it cannot refer to anything else, as Germany (region) is not an established concept. Historic Israel redirecting to Land of Israel is a good analogy. until 1948, both “Israel” and “Palestine” had a different meaning than they do now, and the modern polities have not emerged in continuity with anything; so marking the name with a “historic” tag has more implications than just the history of two countries which have basically never existed until modern times, both as political concepts and as political entities. ~ IvanScrooge98 (talk) 09:01, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
MOGAI and others
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