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Non-Binary

O'Connor is stated to have come out as non-binary, using they/them pronouns, yet the source doesn't back that up. Anyone got a source backing up O'Connor's gender identity? $chnauzer 20:54, 21 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I've changed the pronouns until someone can cite this.Bkatcher (talk) 00:38, 28 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

While I can't find specific sources regarding a 'coming out', their Twitter and Instagram both list they/them as their preferred pronouns. What is the standard for a source on a change like this? I understand the limitations of self-publication, but should we expect a news outlet to explicitly discuss someone's gender? I'm in favor of the recent edits which update pronouns without making an announcement of 'coming out' or anything of the sort (unless there is appropriate sourcing). Mad Jim Bey (talk) 18:05, 5 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I favour updating the pronouns. I think the cautions against using primary sources are over-applied. They are important to maintain notability (twitter: "I don't like cheddar if it's too orange."); what may be true isn't necessarily notable. It's important to verify primary sources that could be false, e.g. an actor downplaying their age, someone adopting a persona by misrepresenting where they're from, or what their ancestry is, etc. But in this case, we cannot doubt the preference for they/them pronouns, and it seems a fundamental enough thing to be notable and important without secondary sources. My two cents. _signed,Willondon (talk) 18:23, 5 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Please do not do this per WP:BLP, WP:V, WP:OR. We cannot add unsourced information like this. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 22:10, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

IMDB lists her as "actress". doesn't that trump all until a source is found to the contrary? 2601:19C:5280:5BA7:5CFC:3D8:9602:26C5 (talk) 02:43, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia policy is to disregard IMDB as a reliable source.$chnauzer 03:27, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

fair enuf. but it's up against TWITTER here. 2601:19C:5280:5BA7:5CFC:3D8:9602:26C5 (talk) 03:47, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@2601:19C:5280:5BA7:5CFC:3D8:9602:26C5 Yes, up against Twitter, but not in the form of a wild post made by a different person, but the person's personal account settings to display pronouns. I'd argue that it is deliberate enough, especially since the same pronouns are reflected on two different platforms that O'Connor utilizes. And as far as I know, pronoun display is not compulsive on Instagram or Twitter. Gryphomet (talk) 22:33, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'd like to add that this still does not answer the question about their gender identity, since pronouns don't always equal gender. Gryphomet (talk) 22:34, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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