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Section sizes Section size for Cornish language (42 sections) Section name Byte count Prose size (words) Header Total Header Total (Top) 13,916 13,916 278 278 Classification 2,018 2,018 143 143 History 1,380 34,072 101 2,544 Old Cornish 5,817 5,817 327 327 Middle Cornish 11,305 11,305 803 803 Late Cornish 4,449 4,449 424 424 Decline of Cornish speakers between 1300 and 1800 4,684 4,684 383 383 Revived Cornish 6,437 6,437 506 506 Geographic distribution and number of speakers 8,528 8,528 421 421 Legal status and recognition 1,882 6,083 179 335 Within the UK 4,201 4,201 156 156 Orthography 101 7,720 0 716 Old Cornish orthography 1,232 1,232 152 152 Middle Cornish orthography 1,779 1,779 148 148 Late Cornish orthography 732 732 95 95 Revived Cornish orthography 3,876 3,876 321 321 Phonology 3,468 3,468 234 234 Vocabulary 5,508 5,508 478 478 Grammar 466 8,551 60 518 Morphology 19 4,459 0 265 Mutations 1,458 1,458 62 62 Articles 541 541 51 51 Nouns 1,093 1,093 58 58 Verbs 940 940 64 64 Prepositions 408 408 30 30 Syntax 3,626 3,626 193 193 Culture 4,673 41,846 314 2,637 Cultural events 4,264 4,264 201 201 Study and teaching 6,175 6,175 423 423 Cornish studies 6,550 6,550 586 586 Literature 48 8,374 0 428 Recent Modern Cornish literature 8,326 8,326 428 428 Media 4,325 4,325 383 383 Music 1,336 1,336 88 88 Place-names and surnames 6,149 6,149 214 214 Samples 2,423 2,423 16 16 See also 587 587 0 0 References 35 1,545 0 0 Bibliography 1,510 1,510 0 0 Further reading 2,302 2,302 0 0 External links 1,869 3,101 0 39 Dictionaries 1,232 1,232 39 39 Total 141,668 141,668 8,359 8,359

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How is the revival of Cornish going nowadays? The article mentions the efforts for reviving it in the 2000s and 2010s, mentioning the estimate of 557 speakers in 2011. Now, in the 2020s, can Cornish be added to the history of revived languages? The article states that there are already native speakers of Cornish, bilingual and also speaking English. If the language has native speakers after its extinction in the 18th century, can it be added to Language revitalization as a successfully revived language along with Modern Hebrew? 2804:14D:8084:8B09:E8BB:9B08:8CA2:CB69 (talk) 16:10, 2 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Lowena dhis! (Hello!) I believe there is already a section for Cornish at the Language revitalization article. The number of speakers is still small, but hopefully growing rather than shrinking.  Tewdar  16:54, 2 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The results for the 2021 census should be released within the next couple of months. Covid lockdown resulted in a lot of interest in people learning the language online (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-60302511) so the language is certainly growing. I don't know about the number of native speakers, because speakers tend to be fragmented between different communities. Brwynog (talk) 10:09, 4 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The results have now been published. The number stating Cornish to be their "main language" was 564. Those may include L1 speakers as well as L2 speakers, but does not tell us how many fluent speakers there actually are. Cornwall Council states that "This figure should not be used to identify the number of Cornish speakers – it would be an underestimate as the Census only asked what people's main language is." Bodrugan (talk) 12:38, 15 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The idea that the language died seems to have been disproved, it might have been fingernail hanging on and a patois at the time of Henry Jenner et however at the time of the start of the rivial there were still native speakers 85.10.117.114 (talk) 17:49, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Well that's what we call original research, taking matierial about the 2021 census and trying to exprapolate from that a new position (not found in the source material) that the Cornish language "must" never have really died out for a spell. In order for Wikipedia to say anything at all along the lines of "the idea that language died seems to have been disproved" we would need reliable sources that make this case convincingly, and even then we would have to attribute this idea as a statement of that/those source[s] viewpoint, since it directly conflicts with the view of previous reliable sources we've already cited.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  17:55, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Rod Lyon's book 'Cornish - the struggle for survival', published in 2001 by Taves an Werin, is a detailed look at who was able to speak Cornish from the time of Dolly Pentreath to the 1930s and at what level. Kensa Broadhurst at the University of Exeter is also conducting research into the same topic. Brwynog (talk) 04:22, 14 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I see Rod Lyon is a notable person, although surprisingly he trained as civil engineer rather than as a linguist. Would his book be considered WP:FRINGE? Martinevans123 (talk) 10:18, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am not sure it is quite fringe, but it is definitely one that needs careful evaluation. Does the writer and former Grand Bard have an agenda? Is there any peer evaluation of the claims? Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 10:28, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And having tried to access this source, it is not coming to anything. Couldn't find it listed for sale nor at any Library I have access to (haven't checked the National Library though). I found it in a Cornish archive though. [1] So it is a 22 page pamphlet written by a former Grand Bard, published by Taves an Werin, which has no web presence but the name translates as "Tongue of the people" (tongue as in language) so it is a very small Cornish language / Cornish interest publisher. This is hardly the kind of neutral secondary source we need to make bold claims. In fact, we have been here before. See Talk:Cornish language/Archive 4#Lead contradicts article where I tracked down another booklet that made these claims. That one didn't pass muster, and this one is not going to either. Nothing to see here.

So what about Kensa Broadhurst? Well this is more interesting. She is listed as a Ph.D. Student at University of Exeter here [2] and her bio tells us:

She researches the Status of the Cornish Language between 1777-1904. That is, the death of Dolly Pentreath, the so-called last speaker of Cornish, and the publication of Henry Jenner’s Handbook of the Cornish Language which began the language revival. Kensa is also considering what exactly we mean by, and how we define language extinction, and hopes to contribute to developing a function and status for the Cornish language within higher education. Outside of her PhD research, Kensa blogs and tweets in Cornish, and reads the news in Cornish on Sunday afternoons for BBC Radio Cornwall.

So there may be something there. But we appear to be too soon on this one. If she successfully defends a thesis that the language never died out, then yes, we can use that thesis here. But at this stage she is still apparently working on the thesis. We will need to wait. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 12:15, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is material we should probably be using at some point:

• Lyon, Rodney Trevelyan (2001). Cornish: The Struggle for Survival. Tavas an Weryn. – A short 22-page work. Doesn't seem to have an ISBN and may be difficult to find outside the UK. Lyon put out several of books of potential interest, including Gorseth Kernow: The Cornish Gorsedd What it is and What it Does (2008), Everyday Cornish (updated ed., 1984), Road-Names in Cornwall (1997, with Graham Sandercock), Notes on the Penwith Dialect of Cornish (2001), Colloquial Doesn't Mean Corrupt: Observations on contemporary Revived Cornish (2019), Notes on Spoken Cornish (1987, with John Pengilly). Those all show up on AbeBooks.co.uk right now, except for Cornish: The Struggle for Survival, the one most likely to be of use here, though Google indicates it has been for sale there in the past, so keep checking.
• Spriggs, Matthew (2004). "The Cornish Language, Archaeology, and the Origins of English Theatre". In Jones, Martin (ed.). Traces of Ancestry: Studies in Honour of Colin Renfrew. McDonald Institute for Archaeological Research. pp. 143–161. ISBN 9781902937250 – via ResearchGate. – Free full text of chapter.
• Zadražilová, Dagmar (2010). Revival of the Cornish Language: Its Reasons, Challenges and its Relation towards the Cornish Identity (PDF) (Master's thesis). Institute of Political Studies, Charles University in Prague. – Free, full text. Weaker source, being only an MA thesis, but might have something of use, especially in its bibliography.
• See also bibliography in: Spriggs, Matthew (2003). Payton, Philip (ed.). "Where Cornish Was Spoken and When: A Provisional Synthesi". Cornish Studies. Second Series. 11. Institute of Cornish Studies, University of Exeter Press: 228–269 – via ResearchGate. – Free full text of chapter. We're already citing this source itself, but it in turn cites many additional sources (may well be nearly all the relevant ones up to 2003; the bibliography is quite extensive).

 — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  05:52, 14 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Recent book:

Kensa Broadhurst, The Cornish Language in the Nineteenth Century (Palgrave Macmillan)

https://link.springer.com/book/10.1007/978-3-031-90371-7 Yogiwallah (talk) 20:37, 15 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

An anon added (with some punctuation correction imposed by me): Although it is spoken mainly in Cornwall, it also was spoken in the neighbouring County of Devon but went extinct in the 16th Century., with an edit summary of "I have added a new fact that is widely excepted and can be easily verified but searching it up on Google.I hope this edit is not undone as it is truthful and can be seen on a number of Websites". WP doesn't work on a "trust me, bro" basis, so of course this was reverted as unsourced. However, it is probably correct, in that Corwall used to include much of what is now Devonshire, and the language was surely spoken also in that area. So, something about this is probably worth sourcing and including.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  05:57, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The lead would need to summarise something in the main text and at this point any such mention would contradict the main text which reads

The area controlled by the southwestern Britons was progressively reduced by the expansion of Wessex over the next few centuries. During the Old Cornish (Kernewek Koth) period (800–1200), the Cornish-speaking area was largely coterminous with modern-day Cornwall, after the Saxons had taken over Devon in their south-westward advance.

This is sourced to (George, 2009), who seems to be the source of the map on this page, and does indeed make the point that:

In the year 936, Athelstan fixed the boundary between the Saxons and the Celts as the River Tamar. In the north-east of Cornwall, however, the effective boundary was the River Ottery.

(page 491). He also uses toponymic evidence to demonstrate the linguistic difference. Although there were no doubt some Cornish speakers in Devon, the extent of that would be highly speculative. The addition to the lead was wrong.

• George, K. (2009) 'Cornish' in Ball, M. & Müller, N. eds. The Celtic Languages (2nd ed.). Hoboken: Taylor & Francis.

Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 09:29, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

W. Devon has much in common with Cornwall, from the Tamar-based industries, Stannary parliaments and the "mining culture", but to say it has some sort of shared history with the Cornish language is dubious. The Devonians did not have the language grievances of the neighbouring Cornish during the Prayer Book Rebellion, for example.--SinoDevonian (talk) 22:20, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Anyone know why there are six unsourced pronunciation variants in the infobox? It's not even comprehensive, e.g. SWF (M) [kɛrˈnɔwɛk] is not listed, among other possible variations. Do we really need every possible permutation of [ɾ] and [ɹ]?  Tewdar  11:14, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The UK government has announced its intention to adopt full protection yesterday.^[1] Culloty82 (talk) 19:09, 29 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]