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Infobox fields
I do hope that somebody can kindly help me. Ineed to add an extra field of Children to a Wikipedia site. Children is not I’m my list of available options from the template it was generated from. How can I add this field, please or do I need to start again?
Baillon (talk) 11:03, 27 September 2025 (UTC)
- @Baillon: and welcome to Teahouse. You can use the | children = parameter in {{Infobox person}}. Note, however, that if the children themselves aren't notable—e.g. having their own Wikipedia article—these entries may be summarily removed. —Fortuna, imperatrix 14:09, 27 September 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you for getting back to me. So do I delete the current infobox and start again using Infobox person? Baillon (talk) 16:04, 29 September 2025 (UTC)
- @Baillon: Please always be specific in questions. There will often be important circumstances you don't know. about. If this is about Gordon Giltrap then it uses {{Infobox musical artist}} which does not have a parameter for children. It has been rejected several times. See Template talk:Infobox musical artist/Archive 18#Children field. User:PrimeHunter 21:15, 27 September 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you for getting back to me. So do I delete the current infobox and start again using Infobox person? Baillon (talk) 16:05, 29 September 2025 (UTC)
- No; embed infobox person within the existing infobox, using
|module=
. I have done that for you; please just enter the relevant value(s). Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:17, 29 September 2025 (UTC)- Thanks so much for your help, Andy. I'm still stuck because I don't really understand modules etc. Sorry. I've tried to edit the Infobox but I still can't see Children listed as an option. If you can kindly make that an option for me I'd be really grateful because I was thinking I'd have to delete the old Infobox and choose a different one , something which would be difficult for me. i really appreciate that you've taken time to help me. Thank you! Baillon (talk) 10:10, 5 October 2025 (UTC)
- I begin to see what you've done :
- fobox person
- Thanks so much for your help, Andy. I'm still stuck because I don't really understand modules etc. Sorry. I've tried to edit the Infobox but I still can't see Children listed as an option. If you can kindly make that an option for me I'd be really grateful because I was thinking I'd have to delete the old Infobox and choose a different one , something which would be difficult for me. i really appreciate that you've taken time to help me. Thank you! Baillon (talk) 10:10, 5 October 2025 (UTC)
- No; embed infobox person within the existing infobox, using
- Thank you for getting back to me. So do I delete the current infobox and start again using Infobox person? Baillon (talk) 16:05, 29 September 2025 (UTC)
| embed = yes | | spouse =
- | children = | website =
- but how do I simply add the field Children and Jamie and Sadie to the list along with theoir year of birth?
- Baillon (talk) 10:17, 5 October 2025 (UTC)
- Are you using Visual Editor or Source Editor? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:06, 5 October 2025 (UTC)
- Visual. I don't understand Source Baillon (talk) 10:35, 6 October 2025 (UTC)
- I think this might only be doable in Source Editor, but perhaps someone more familiar with VE can comment?
- That said, we wouldn't normally include names and dates for non-notable offspring, just a number. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:47, 6 October 2025 (UTC)
- Visual. I don't understand Source Baillon (talk) 10:35, 6 October 2025 (UTC)
- Are you using Visual Editor or Source Editor? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:06, 5 October 2025 (UTC)
Account uses inaccessible obsolete email address
I've got a real problem after clearing my cash and cookies in my usual browser I need to re-log in to wikipedia. but my account email is an old netscape address. If I try to change it in settings I get the same re-log in and verification via the same obsolete email address. I need assistance from a human administrator to verify my identity and change the email. Doyna Yar (talk) 12:36, 2 October 2025 (UTC)
- Hi, @Doyna Yar. Try emailing ca@wikimedia.org ColinFine (talk) 12:17, 4 October 2025 (UTC)
Editing
Hello,
I wanted to see what the timeline is to have a page reviewed, edited, and approved. Please see below. Do I need to be aware of any additional rules given this submission? Draft:Spreedly. Kyvyny (talk) 20:43, 2 October 2025 (UTC)
- Hi @Kyvyny. You have
nownot submitted your draft for review. If you did submit it for review it may be several months before it is reviewed, as we have 3,000 drafts waiting to be reviewed and only a limited number of volunteer reviewers. - It would be helpful for you to familiarise yourself with Wikipedia:Criteria for inclusion (organizations and companies) and ensure that the topic of your draft meets this. qcne (talk) 21:10, 2 October 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you very much, that is so helpful! Kyvyny (talk) 21:12, 2 October 2025 (UTC)
- Sorry, a typo, you have not submitted your draft for review. You need to press the big blue Submit the draft for review! button, at the top. qcne (talk) 21:32, 2 October 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you very much, that is so helpful! Kyvyny (talk) 21:12, 2 October 2025 (UTC)
- Hello, @Kyvyny. My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Wikipedia works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable, independent sources, and notability, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle), then you might be ready to read your first article carefully, and try creating a draft. If you don't follow this advice but try to create an article without this preparation, you are likely to have a frustrating and disappointing experience with Wikipedia. ColinFine (talk) 12:24, 4 October 2025 (UTC)
- @Kyvyny That draft is extremely promotional, and I predict that if it submitted in its current state, it will be declined. Colin Fine has listed some links that you need to click on (the words in blue) and digest. Funding rounds, for example, don't contribute to notability. David10244 (talk) 07:12, 5 October 2025 (UTC)
Can't edit image in infobox
- resets to default logo even when its not specified in the infobox.
im so confused. i was cleaning up some stuff on the "Liberstad" wikipedia page, and i tried to put the flag, and the coat of arms side by side like i see in many infoboxes, but instead, i got the flag and the coat of arms side by side with a large image of the coat of arms on top! i tried deleting all of the images itself, changing them. even when i change the url of the image to be just the flag, it stayed as the coat of arms. Thmxrist (talk) 08:34, 3 October 2025 (UTC)
- @Thmxrist
Courtesy link: Draft:Liberstad. At first glance the problem may be the use of "thumb" in the extra images or your use of parameters not recognised by that infobox. I'll leave it to others to suggest a solution. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:38, 3 October 2025 (UTC)
- @Thmxrist I think I've fixed it now for you – see WP:INFOBOXIMAGE, you only need to put
name.png
, not[[File:name.png]]
in infoboxes. Nil🥝 13:02, 3 October 2025 (UTC)- I think the issue you're running into is trying to have two seats of coat of arms in the infobox, even though the template was only designed for one. May I suggest having just the current shield in to infobox, and put the old one in the body of the article if it's important? Nil🥝 13:12, 3 October 2025 (UTC)
- @Thmxrist You have submitted your draft for review but I predict it will be rapidly declined for lack of sources allowing verification. For example, you say
Despite this, progress is slow, and necessary permits have not been applied for sufficiently.
According to whom is this true? I also doubt that the current draft shows that this development is notable. It needs more independent sources. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:37, 3 October 2025 (UTC)- sorry, i was talking about the norwegian liberstad wiki, i got a bit mixed up since i barely slept today lol, sorry about that. and with that example too, i got most of this from my father John Holmesland, so theres few sources. ill add more sources, thank you. Thmxrist (talk) 17:56, 3 October 2025 (UTC)
- @Thmxrist In view of where you say you got most of the information, you need to read this page about conflicts of interest. You have now added a citation to the Scandinavian Journal of Political Science which is supposed to back up the statement I mentioned above. I suspect that there is no such journal and that this is an example of an AI hallucination. Is that the case? Some other citations show the same issue. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:41, 6 October 2025 (UTC)
- hi, im sorry for all the mistakes. ive tried to correct all my citations/references and stayed neutral on all the text written on the page. is it fine now? if theres still any mistakes, please tell me or fix it yourself on the page, im trying to make it as accurate and neutral as possible. Thmxrist (talk) 11:20, 7 October 2025 (UTC)
- The problem now is not so much any mistakes but the fact that virtually all the citations are to Liberstad's own website. Hence there is no real evidence the topic is notable as required by Wikipedia, for which only reliable sources independent of the subject and with significant coverage are useful. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:26, 7 October 2025 (UTC)
- okay, thanks. ill work on that later Thmxrist (talk) 12:09, 7 October 2025 (UTC)
- The problem now is not so much any mistakes but the fact that virtually all the citations are to Liberstad's own website. Hence there is no real evidence the topic is notable as required by Wikipedia, for which only reliable sources independent of the subject and with significant coverage are useful. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:26, 7 October 2025 (UTC)
- hi, im sorry for all the mistakes. ive tried to correct all my citations/references and stayed neutral on all the text written on the page. is it fine now? if theres still any mistakes, please tell me or fix it yourself on the page, im trying to make it as accurate and neutral as possible. Thmxrist (talk) 11:20, 7 October 2025 (UTC)
- @Thmxrist In view of where you say you got most of the information, you need to read this page about conflicts of interest. You have now added a citation to the Scandinavian Journal of Political Science which is supposed to back up the statement I mentioned above. I suspect that there is no such journal and that this is an example of an AI hallucination. Is that the case? Some other citations show the same issue. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:41, 6 October 2025 (UTC)
- sorry, i was talking about the norwegian liberstad wiki, i got a bit mixed up since i barely slept today lol, sorry about that. and with that example too, i got most of this from my father John Holmesland, so theres few sources. ill add more sources, thank you. Thmxrist (talk) 17:56, 3 October 2025 (UTC)
- @Thmxrist You have submitted your draft for review but I predict it will be rapidly declined for lack of sources allowing verification. For example, you say
- I think the issue you're running into is trying to have two seats of coat of arms in the infobox, even though the template was only designed for one. May I suggest having just the current shield in to infobox, and put the old one in the body of the article if it's important? Nil🥝 13:12, 3 October 2025 (UTC)
Changing the language of an article
How do I change the language of Amarni Banks' wikipedia article - it needs to be in English? NickoXavierBarber (talk) 10:50, 3 October 2025 (UTC)
- You may be on a different-language Wikipedia. We do not have an article on Amarni Banks on the English Wikipedia. PhoenixCaelestis (Talk · Contributions) 11:41, 3 October 2025 (UTC)
- There's a draft at Draft:Amarni Banks, but it's in English. There's an article on German Wikipedia at de:Amarni Banks Ultraodan (talk) 11:52, 3 October 2025 (UTC)
- My bad for not checking draftspace, thank you. PhoenixCaelestis (Talk · Contributions) 11:55, 3 October 2025 (UTC)
- I am very new to Wikipedia editing, how would I go about ensuring there is one on the English Wikipedia? NickoXavierBarber (talk) 08:32, 6 October 2025 (UTC)
- Each Wikipedia is a separate project, with their own editors and policies. What is acceptable on one is not necessarily acceptable on another. The English Wikipedia tends to be stricter than others. It is up to the translator to make sure that the article they are translating meets the requirements of the target Wikipedia. The draft was already submitted and declined, please see the message left by the reviewer. 331dot (talk) 08:35, 6 October 2025 (UTC)
- There's a draft at Draft:Amarni Banks, but it's in English. There's an article on German Wikipedia at de:Amarni Banks Ultraodan (talk) 11:52, 3 October 2025 (UTC)
- See WP:Your first article. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:08, 7 October 2025 (UTC)
Adding a notable person to a college website
I added author Lowell Cohn to Lafayette College List of People but my addition was rejected by Wikipedia Siegermatt (talk) 15:13, 3 October 2025 (UTC)
- Please consult the edit history(https://teknopedia.ac.id/w/index.php?title=List_of_Lafayette_College_people&action=history) where the editor left an explanation; the person must first merit and have a Wikipedia article about them before they can be added. 331dot (talk) 15:18, 3 October 2025 (UTC)
Tim Kane Wikipedia Page
Hi,
I was looking for the Wikipedia Page on Tim Kane and found it missing. All links and searches for Tim Kane on Wikipedia revert to the page "2018 Ohio's 12th congressional district special election". I could not find any recent updates in the Deletion log for Tim Kane either. What happened and how can this page be restored? 107.77.202.65 (talk) 15:35, 3 October 2025 (UTC)
- See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tim Kane. The edit history of the current redirect has versions from where you could begin again, assuming you can find additional sources to confirm his notability. The earlier article was not deleted but was turned into the redirect. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:42, 3 October 2025 (UTC)
Person
John Carlo defeated Leon Spinks , first time a ex world champion was defeated by boxer who was making his pro debut , he was 14-2 record as a professional and was a promoter and gym owner in upstate ny , he puts up on google checks etc - wondering if a page can be started for him John Carlo Boxing (talk) 17:39, 3 October 2025 (UTC)
- A page might be created if he meets Wikipedia's notability guidelines. Please note that these guidelines are very specific, what you might think counts for notability is not the same as what counts as notability for Wikipedia's purposes. Based on your username I have to also point out that if you're in some way connected to John Carlo you are subject to Wikipedia's conflict of interest guidlines and are strongly discouraged from doing any editing in regards to John Carlo. Finally, as you've posted here about potentially creating an article for the subject, be aware you may be contacted here or via email by someone offering to create that article for you, often in exchange for being paid. Be aware that this sort of thing is usually a scam and often additional violate the policies on paid editing. Amstrad00 (talk) 18:08, 3 October 2025 (UTC)
No hyperlink
- Why no hyperlink under Rohan Nedd on Harry Wild Wikipedia page.
Why is there no hyperlink under Rohan Nedd name on the Harry Wild Wikipedia page. It doesn’t seem fair to hyperlink the other stars and not his name. 166.181.242.146 (talk) 21:55, 3 October 2025 (UTC)
- That's simply because there is not yet an article on Redd. You could redlink him if you think it is likely he might have an article here in future. Mike Turnbull (talk) 22:05, 3 October 2025 (UTC)
Help Needed
Hello - I added my dear Aunt Dorothy Bond who resided with my Mother her much elder sister and her husband in the United States, Rumson NJ until becoming of Age and finishing her boarding school in Europe and then attending the Royal Academy of Music in London. My mother and her sister were born in Surrey, England. Our grandmother could not take care of her as she was ill and our grandfather had passed. Someone has put a citation on the page and I do not know why? 71.226.217.219 (talk) 01:32, 4 October 2025 (UTC)
- To which article (or other page) did you add your aunt? -- Hoary (talk) 04:22, 4 October 2025 (UTC)
- This presumably relates to Dorothy Bond being added to the "notable people" at Rumson, New Jersey. The issue, IP editor, is that you have provided no reliable published source to back up the fact that Bond resided in Rumson and her own biography here doesn't mention it. Can you provide something, for example a local newspaper story so our readers can verify this fact? Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:13, 4 October 2025 (UTC)
hello
I live in Canada and would like to apply for economic bachelor, but i could not find how to apply online as correspondence and would the degree be passed by the WES in Canada? 2604:3D08:7A84:4600:F1E6:60C2:67F4:25F3 (talk) 02:31, 4 October 2025 (UTC)
- Hi IP editor, this a helpdesk for questions about using Wikipedia, we can't help with general queries. TSventon (talk) 02:39, 4 October 2025 (UTC)
- then how can i get help 2604:3D08:7A84:4600:F1E6:60C2:67F4:25F3 (talk) 02:43, 4 October 2025 (UTC)
- Try asking at Wikipedia:Reference desk/Miscellaneous or maybe Wikipedia:Reference desk/Humanities. DB1729talk 02:50, 4 October 2025 (UTC)
- Your second post makes me wonder whether you still haven't understood it. Wikipedia is an international encyclopedia. We are not affiliated with whatever you want to apply to. Maybe we have an article about the institution but we have millions of articles about various things. It's possible somebody at the reference desk could find the information you want but you absolutely have to tell them which institution it's about. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:03, 4 October 2025 (UTC)
- then how can i get help 2604:3D08:7A84:4600:F1E6:60C2:67F4:25F3 (talk) 02:43, 4 October 2025 (UTC)
Adding myself
Can I add pages about things like my youtube channel and stuff? Progamer21YT (talk) 20:40, 4 October 2025 (UTC)
- No you cannot. (You may be confusing Wikipedia with Facebook or similar.) -- Hoary (talk) 21:07, 4 October 2025 (UTC)
AfC submission question
Hi. Just a very short question today: If I were to submit a draft and later realized it was a fork from a previously existing draft, can people just copy-paste to the previous draft and leave a redirect without saying anything? EmperorChesser 01:40, 5 October 2025 (UTC)
- For example Draft:Foo (2025) is a fork of Draft:Foo. Can anyone take all the content in Draft:Foo (2025), copy-paste it to Draft:Foo, then leave a redirect in the former draft? EmperorChesser 01:42, 5 October 2025 (UTC)
- The quick answer is no. To repeat what you've been told: Please refer to WP:Move ("Do not move or rename a page by copying/pasting its content...") to learn about why cut-and-paste moves shouldn't be done on Wikipedia. 203.145.95.215 (talk) 01:49, 5 October 2025 (UTC)
- I remember having submitted Draft:Tropical Storm Matmo (2025), which you guys said was a fork, then you just casually copy-paste on Draft:Tropical Storm Matmo, which by now has been deleted. Real example here, what do you have to say? EmperorChesser 01:54, 5 October 2025 (UTC)
- Neither did it happen on my part from what I can recall, nor was the page deleted. The key was about whether efforts have been paid to keep things at the same place whenever possible, and attribute when it's necessary. 203.145.95.215 (talk) 05:12, 5 October 2025 (UTC)
- For the record this violation of WP:Move, committed after the reminder above, has been brought to AN/I. 203.145.95.215 (talk) 11:33, 5 October 2025 (UTC)
- If you cannot reply with something reasonable or don't reply at all, I will assume you (or someone else) did it, which means you guys are wrong in this case. EmperorChesser 02:13, 5 October 2025 (UTC)
- EmperorChesser. you write above: "Draft:Tropical Storm Matmo, which by now has been deleted". Here's some of its history:
- At 05:29, 4 October 2025, editor MAS0802 moved Draft:Tropical Storm Matmo to Draft:Tropical Storm Matmo (Deleted)
- At 06:01, 4 October 2025, editor 203.145.95.215 (talk | block) 77 changed the redirect target of Draft:Tropical Storm Matmo from Draft:Tropical Storm Matmo (Deleted) to Draft:Deleted---
- At 06:28, 4 October 2025, editor Liz deleted Draft:Tropical Storm Matmo, because it was a redirect to a non-existent page
- A strange history, but now I hope a little easier to understand. -- Hoary (talk) 08:29, 5 October 2025 (UTC)
- EmperorChesser. you write above: "Draft:Tropical Storm Matmo, which by now has been deleted". Here's some of its history:
- If you cannot reply with something reasonable or don't reply at all, I will assume you (or someone else) did it, which means you guys are wrong in this case. EmperorChesser 02:13, 5 October 2025 (UTC)
- And more. There is an article at Typhoon Matmo (2025). There is much discussion at Draft talk:Tropical Storm Matmo 2025. This is of course the talk page for Draft:Tropical Storm Matmo 2025, which "may meet Wikipedia's criteria for speedy deletion" and thus is likely to disappear very soon. If it's deleted, its talk page will probably be deleted with it. Anyone who thinks that it (the talk page) should be preserved after the draft is deleted might suggest that it be moved somewhere (perhaps to Talk:Typhoon Matmo (2025)/Tropical Storm Matmo 2025). -- Hoary (talk) 09:07, 5 October 2025 (UTC)
- Yes, I know. That draft did not exist anymore since it is now an article. EmperorChesser 09:35, 5 October 2025 (UTC)
- And more. There is an article at Typhoon Matmo (2025). There is much discussion at Draft talk:Tropical Storm Matmo 2025. This is of course the talk page for Draft:Tropical Storm Matmo 2025, which "may meet Wikipedia's criteria for speedy deletion" and thus is likely to disappear very soon. If it's deleted, its talk page will probably be deleted with it. Anyone who thinks that it (the talk page) should be preserved after the draft is deleted might suggest that it be moved somewhere (perhaps to Talk:Typhoon Matmo (2025)/Tropical Storm Matmo 2025). -- Hoary (talk) 09:07, 5 October 2025 (UTC)
Change edit summary
Recently I implemented an edit request, but, being my first one, I forgot to credit the original author in my edit summary. I had a look at WP:EDITSUMMARY, and it does say summaries can be hidden, but it wasn't clear if admins are able to change them. Is there anything that can be done to resolve my oversight, or should I just focus on remembering to attribute in the future? Thanks ! SnowyRiver28 (talk) 02:46, 5 October 2025 (UTC)
- @SnowyRiver28: see Help:Edit_summary#Fixing. You can't change an edit summary, but you could do a dummy edit and add the missing information to the summary. TSventon (talk) 04:33, 5 October 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks, I've just done this SnowyRiver28 (talk) 09:18, 5 October 2025 (UTC)
- @SnowyRiver28: You can get a reminder that you've forgotten to give an edit summary by setting an option in your user preferences. See the Editor section in the Editing tab of your Special:Preferences. Bazza 7 (talk) 09:16, 5 October 2025 (UTC)
CSS/JS
help, how do i replace the black puzzle globe with the normal white puzzle globe on the dark mode toggle gadget on Vector legacy (2010)? The Pizza Hackers 🍕 10:17, 5 October 2025 (UTC)
Round robin move
I just did my first round robin move per AFD and TP consensus from High-capacity magazine to High-capacity magazine ban and looking at postmove cleanup. I am not sure if there is anything to do. Both had talk pages, so its important to preserve the old TP. The only links in are from user talk page archives and similar, which I dont think really needs to be corrected. And there would be no double redirects. Thanks Metallurgist (talk) 21:21, 5 October 2025 (UTC)
Unix Operating System Attribution
Hello,
I came across the sentence in your article/page stating: "He created the Unix operating system." I believe this may be inaccurate, as he was actually the co-creator of the Unix operating system.
If I am mistaken, please feel free to correct me.
Thank you. Gdebw (talk) 04:49, 6 October 2025 (UTC)
- Did you, Gdebw, perhaps come across the sentence in the article Dennis Ritchie that says (with emphases added)
He created the Unix operating system, C programming language, and B programming language with long-time colleague Ken Thompson
? -- Hoary (talk) 05:29, 6 October 2025 (UTC)- @Gdebw and Hoary: Maybe listing both guys at the beginning of the sentence would be more clear..? Something like "Together with K.T. he was created blah, blah" or "He created, together with K.T., blah, blah". Having K.Thompson mentioned at the end may suggest K.T. co-authored the B language only. --CiaPan (talk) 11:00, 6 October 2025 (UTC)
- CiaPan, I'd have no objection if Gdebw (or you) were to make such a change. -- Hoary (talk) 22:40, 6 October 2025 (UTC)
- @Gdebw and Hoary: Maybe listing both guys at the beginning of the sentence would be more clear..? Something like "Together with K.T. he was created blah, blah" or "He created, together with K.T., blah, blah". Having K.Thompson mentioned at the end may suggest K.T. co-authored the B language only. --CiaPan (talk) 11:00, 6 October 2025 (UTC)
Template for sections missing their purpose
The plot section of Strictly Confidential (2024 film) is a teaser, not a plot summary. What is the correct maintenance template for such cases? --KnightMove (talk) 15:56, 6 October 2025 (UTC)
- Hi KnightMove - I'd use {{Cleanup|reason=Complete plot is needed. See [[WP:TEASER]]|date=October 2025}} - Arjayay (talk) 15:58, 6 October 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks for the hint... this was my first choice, however Template:Cleanup specifies to be for "non-content-focused changes"?! Is this handled more flexibly in practice? --KnightMove (talk) 16:02, 6 October 2025 (UTC)
- I think {{hook}} fits best, or more generally {{more plot}}. jlwoodwa (talk) 16:08, 6 October 2025 (UTC)
- {{Expand section}} is also available. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:43, 6 October 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you all, I have chosen the hook in this case. But I still wonder if there is a general template saying like "This content is somewhat illegitimate; it needs to be reworked to be compliant with the rules.", without implying more specific problems like bad language, POV etc. ?! --KnightMove (talk) 08:10, 7 October 2025 (UTC)
- {{Cleanup}}. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:57, 7 October 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you all, I have chosen the hook in this case. But I still wonder if there is a general template saying like "This content is somewhat illegitimate; it needs to be reworked to be compliant with the rules.", without implying more specific problems like bad language, POV etc. ?! --KnightMove (talk) 08:10, 7 October 2025 (UTC)
- {{Expand section}} is also available. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:43, 6 October 2025 (UTC)
Help with assessment backlog
Wikipedia:WikiProject Wikipedia/Assessment#Assessment requests is having a backlog. The assessment requests aren’t being processed for more than a week. Can anyone have a look on them? (I think this help desk is suitable for this question, if it’s not, please point me to a place that is suitable.) Xzkdeng (talk) 16:13, 6 October 2025 (UTC)
- It would be seen by more people at WP:VPM. You could also write something for The Signpost Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:42, 6 October 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks for your suggestion, next time I’ll post these kinds of questions to WP:VPM. But I don’t think that the problem is significant enough to write an article to The Signpost. Xzkdeng (talk) 14:45, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
- Hey @Xzkdeng, I've just gone through most of the stuff there. If it gets backlogged again, feel free to leave me a ping/note (though I agree that it's currently being done by maybe 3/4 regulars, which is unsustainable and more participation there would be helpful). There are also other venues you can look to, e.g. specific WikiProject assessment request pages (such as Wikipedia:WikiProject Transport/Assessment#Requesting an assessment). (Well, technically, Wikipedia:WikiProject Wikipedia/Assessment#Assessment requests is a WikiProject-specific page too, but it has accidentally become the "main general requests" page). Cheers :) GoldRomean (talk) 03:38, 7 October 2025 (UTC)
- @GoldRomean Thanks for your hard work! Xzkdeng (talk) 14:56, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) @Xzkdeng: if you want to assess stub, start or C class articles, you can use the WP:RATER tool, as GoldRomean did earlier today. For B class a review by an experienced reviewer could be better. TSventon (talk) 15:05, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
Does Wikipedia follow GDPR?
just curious thats all Metro8102 (talk) 16:35, 6 October 2025 (UTC)
- @Metro8102 See Wikimedia Foundation Privacy Policy - Wikimedia Foundation Governance Wiki which mentions GDPR. What Wikimedia will do depends on the law in each of the countries in which it operates. . Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:28, 6 October 2025 (UTC)
C/rizak yuusuf jamac
انا اريد الاستعانة 154.115.236.235 (talk) 17:58, 6 October 2025 (UTC)
- What help do you need? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:14, 6 October 2025 (UTC)
Monarchs column on list
Hi, I've been trying to get the monarch column on List of Landvogts of Liechtenstein to be spread relative to their reign to the term of office of the Landvogts. I tried separating the other rows, which seemed fine at first, but now it seems to have merged again. May someone please help me do this correctly? I would also ask the same of List of heads of government of Liechtenstein. TheBritinator (talk) 17:58, 6 October 2025 (UTC)
- @TheBritinator: Have you already solved this?
- If not, could it be an issue of different browsers not all treating it the same? The Landvogts list looks mostly right, to me. However, I've noticed in the past that on my browser there seems to be a final step in formatting these wiki tables, in which all the pictures are resized according to ... whatever they get resized according to. Could the picture resizing be playing against your row heights? I don't know. TooManyFingers (talk) 18:07, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
- No, I haven't fixed it. That's an interesting theory that I haven't thought of before. I am using Opera, if that means anything. TheBritinator (talk) 18:27, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
Disagreement on preferred plural enwiki vs. enwikt
The english language Wikipedia article for interregnum has interregna as the first plural and interregnums as second. enwikt (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/interregnum} has them reversed. While I'd expect some of the situation to be equivalent to two WP in different languages disagreeing, I'm not sure if there is any place appropriate to bring that up. (Note, Google Trends doesn't even help, not enough usage, oed doesn't have a plural, M&W agrees with the wiktionary page. Naraht (talk) 18:22, 6 October 2025 (UTC)
- @Naraht (The correct wikt link is wikt:interregnum.)
- M&W states the plurals are "interregnums or interregna";
- Collins "-nums or -na" (British English) and "interregnums or interregna" (American);
- dictionary.com has plurals as "interregnums, interregna", but in American English only.
- Cambridge, like Oxford, is not letting on what it thinks (without a possible fee).
- My printed 1964 Concise Oxford Dictionary (Fifth Edition)'s entry reads "interrĕg'num, n. (pl. -na or -nums)". A 1932 edition of Odhams Press's New English Dictionary has just "interregnum ... n. (pl. -nums)".
- None with an opinion qualify their entries to give a preference of one plural over the other. So it seems that there are two forms of the plural in use, neither having a recorded preference over the other. Google's AI overview, when asked
interregnums or interregna
, elaborates:"Both interregnums and interregna are correct plural forms of interregnum. The choice between them depends on the style guide being followed, though both are widely accepted. ... Interregna is the traditional Latin plural form, carrying the classical weight of the word's origins (from inter- "between" and rēgnum "reign"). Interregnums is the modernized English plural, which follows the standard rule of adding "-s" for plurality. This form is generally more common in everyday, less formal writing."
- I'm not sure what you're wanting done. Bazza 7 (talk) 19:34, 6 October 2025 (UTC)
- Bazza_7Thank you for the help on the proper way to link to wiktionary. I was basically wondering less as to which was correct and more whether disagreement on order of plurals represented something that should be "fixed" to make them consistent with each other and whether there was a wikiproject (either here or on wikt that focused on that. (I was wondering which plural to use and since the Wiki projects have the knowledge of the Universe :) , it was a "hunh".)
- I'm not sure if a list of plurals could be counted as Wikidata and generated somehow in both articles and wikt entries.Naraht (talk) 19:58, 6 October 2025 (UTC)
- @Naraht: Who would decide the order of alternative plurals? For some words, reliable sources would tell us what plural version to put first by stating which is the commonest.
- But, as we've discovered with "interregnum", such clear information is not always available. We could do it alphabetically, or toss a coin, but I suspect that would be less than ideal for some words. Or editors could have a !vote about it, but that would go against the requirement to only include verifiable facts.
- See Octopus § Etymology and pluralisation for a case study. And Plural form of words ending in -us! Bazza 7 (talk) 21:26, 6 October 2025 (UTC)
- Or see Google Books Ngram Viewer on this very minor matter. -- Hoary (talk) 22:52, 6 October 2025 (UTC)
- The OED (behind a paywall) gives both versions. 219.89.24.171 (talk) 05:03, 7 October 2025 (UTC)
- The issue is in which order. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:54, 7 October 2025 (UTC)
- I consider it possible (at the very least), based on what's been presented so far, to conclude that the correct answer is "very solidly either/or, and no broadly valid reason exists for imposing a preference". That's not the only possibility, but I think it has to be acknowledged to exist. TooManyFingers (talk) 17:07, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you to Hoary for the ngram check. I tried to figure out how to do that, but failed. While interregnums seems to be somewhat more common, there are are years where it is slightly the reverse. Apparently (sarcasm and bad idea), the only solution is to use Template:Random item to determine the order.Naraht (talk) 17:19, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
- I consider it possible (at the very least), based on what's been presented so far, to conclude that the correct answer is "very solidly either/or, and no broadly valid reason exists for imposing a preference". That's not the only possibility, but I think it has to be acknowledged to exist. TooManyFingers (talk) 17:07, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
- The issue is in which order. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:54, 7 October 2025 (UTC)
- The OED (behind a paywall) gives both versions. 219.89.24.171 (talk) 05:03, 7 October 2025 (UTC)
- Or see Google Books Ngram Viewer on this very minor matter. -- Hoary (talk) 22:52, 6 October 2025 (UTC)
A new description feature in posts?
I frequent the Help Desk and Teahouse regularly. Recently, I've noticed a number of posts that seem to have a subheading, like a description, at the top of a post. I looked at the source of a few of these and I see that they are preceded with a colon (explaining the indenting) but the content is always similar to a subtitle suggesting that it isn't a case of a user accidentally adding a colon in the first line.
For example, see #No_hyperlink or #Ted_Kaczyński above.
Is this a new feature that I missed? Madam Fatal (talk) 19:32, 6 October 2025 (UTC)
- @Madam Fatal:, based on checking one example, it is the way Pigsonthewing reformats sections to give them a meaningful title, e.g. here. TSventon (talk) 22:28, 6 October 2025 (UTC)
On Area code 707 and 369 map
Most Area code pages contain colorful maps. The text under the map needs updating. A space between a . and a new sentence. As well as adding 369 to text. Could not find a place or way to do edit. DMc75771 (talk) 20:04, 6 October 2025 (UTC)
- Hello, @DMc75771. The text is in Template:California area codes image map. You can edit it there. ColinFine (talk) 20:25, 6 October 2025 (UTC)
- I went to the link given. Changed the 707 entry to 707/369. But did not see where to add 369 to the the text below the map. Maybe I should forget making the edit. DMc75771 (talk) 21:20, 6 October 2025 (UTC)
- I have added a space.[1] PrimeHunter (talk) 22:40, 6 October 2025 (UTC)
- I went to the link given. Changed the 707 entry to 707/369. But did not see where to add 369 to the the text below the map. Maybe I should forget making the edit. DMc75771 (talk) 21:20, 6 October 2025 (UTC)
adding a photo
Hi I've been trying to add a correct photo to an existing entry that I have also updated. I've read the procedure but it has left me confused and the photo is not showing. Can anyone set me on the correct path? Thanks. Lisaolisa (talk) 20:47, 6 October 2025 (UTC)
- Please read Wikipedia:Uploading images. Theroadislong (talk) 20:53, 6 October 2025 (UTC)
- @Lisaolisa you spelt the filename wrong - the file you uploaded is this one File:Paris 2024 Boccia commentator Peter McGuire.jpg you accidentally inserted an extra g and put McgGuire. Nthep (talk) 20:57, 6 October 2025 (UTC)
Notonecta undulata
I'd like to add a picture of Notonecta undulata to an existing article, but a filter won't allow it. What shall I do? Buprestis (talk) 21:15, 6 October 2025 (UTC)
- Is the photo at Wikimedia Commons? -- Hoary (talk) 22:54, 6 October 2025 (UTC)
- It appears that, after posting here, you succeeded. Do you need further help? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:55, 7 October 2025 (UTC)
Draft about Robert II Mortimer
I'm asking for advice on what and how to do, I'm new here Smart Andrew (talk) 22:53, 6 October 2025 (UTC)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Smart_Andrew/sandbox&direction=next&oldid=1315016914 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Smart Andrew (talk • contribs) 22:57, 6 October 2025 (UTC)
- It's at User:Smart Andrew/sandbox. Well, uh, . . . you have to learn how to edit. This page, that page, every page has a link saying "Learn to edit". Click it! Learn to edit. If/when you get into difficulties, feel free to ask here about those specific difficulties. -- Hoary (talk) 23:00, 6 October 2025 (UTC)
- The link doesn't open on "Learn.to edit". Сan you show where she is. Smart Andrew (talk) 23:07, 6 October 2025 (UTC)
- It's under Main menu (top-left if you're on a desktop), which will lead you to this page: Help:Introduction. Once you've mastered the basics and got a few edits under your belt, you'll hopefully know which steps are next to take for your draft. Nil🥝 23:25, 6 October 2025 (UTC)
- Sorry for being persistent, but where is it in the mobile version? I don't have a computer/laptop at the moment. Smart Andrew (talk) 21:15, 7 October 2025 (UTC)
- Clicking on the Help:Introduction link will land you on the same page, but for future you can access the Main menu on mobile web by clicking the hamburger icon (
) at the top of the page :) Nil🥝 23:09, 7 October 2025 (UTC)
- Clicking on the Help:Introduction link will land you on the same page, but for future you can access the Main menu on mobile web by clicking the hamburger icon (
- Sorry for being persistent, but where is it in the mobile version? I don't have a computer/laptop at the moment. Smart Andrew (talk) 21:15, 7 October 2025 (UTC)
- It's under Main menu (top-left if you're on a desktop), which will lead you to this page: Help:Introduction. Once you've mastered the basics and got a few edits under your belt, you'll hopefully know which steps are next to take for your draft. Nil🥝 23:25, 6 October 2025 (UTC)
- The link doesn't open on "Learn.to edit". Сan you show where she is. Smart Andrew (talk) 23:07, 6 October 2025 (UTC)
- Also, in your draft you might explain how the "II" is to be read/interpreted -- "the second"? "Ivor Isidore"? -- and whether "Robert II Mortimer" is the same person as "Robert de Mortimer". -- Hoary (talk) 23:50, 6 October 2025 (UTC)
- the second one because it is stated in the article https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nobles_and_magnates_of_England_in_the_13th_century#
- Barons Point, Herefordshire, Barons Richards Castle Smart Andrew (talk) 21:19, 7 October 2025 (UTC)
- Hello, @Smart Andrew, and welcome to Wikipedia. My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Wikipedia works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable, independent sources, and notability, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle), then you might be ready to read your first article carefully, and try creating a draft. If you don't follow this advice but try to create an article without this preparation, you are likely to have a frustrating and disappointing experience with Wikipedia. ColinFine (talk) 09:45, 7 October 2025 (UTC)
Image rotation
c:File:Sankhadhar statue.jpg is used at Sankhadhar Sakhwa and Nepal Sambat#Reinstated as national calendar. The image needs to be rotated 90°. I'm hoping someone can fix that. I see some stuff at {{rotate}} but I'm wondernig if the image at Commons should be fixed. Johnuniq (talk) 00:41, 7 October 2025 (UTC)
- I visited c:File:Sankhadhar statue.jpg, I clicked on the link to the 1,050×1,500 pixel version in order to download it, rotate it, and upload the result. But the 1,050×1,500 pixel version was the right way around. An edit clash, perhaps? I refreshed c:File:Sankhadhar statue.jpg. No: still the wrong way up. This puzzles me. -- Hoary (talk) 03:08, 7 October 2025 (UTC)
- I just encountered the same thing. It also appears the right way up for me in the table under "File history"... Nil🥝 03:13, 7 October 2025 (UTC)
- The image has two orientation flags with conflicting values. fixing. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 09:59, 7 October 2025 (UTC)
- Amazing, thanks. Johnuniq (talk) 00:33, 9 October 2025 (UTC)
But, some kind of caching problem means that viewing the local File:Sankhadhar statue.jpg still shows the sideways version, and that still appears in the two articles linked above. Is there a way of purging the thumbnail? Johnuniq (talk) 00:41, 9 October 2025 (UTC)
Links from one article to a subheading in another
I just edited a subheading in an article. How can I locate any links to that section of the article so I can make them match and circumvent breaking the connection? olef641 (talk) 04:02, 7 October 2025 (UTC)
- Search using "insource:" (see Help:Search). Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 07:34, 7 October 2025 (UTC)
Magazine circulation
Is there a website that has circulation figures for magazines and other print publications? Iggy pop goes the weasel (talk) 14:32, 7 October 2025 (UTC)
- If there is, Iggy, perhaps you can find it via Audit Bureau of Circulations. -- Hoary (talk) 05:36, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
- I will give that a try, thanks! Iggy pop goes the weasel (talk) 13:51, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
Upcoming WP 25th birthday
I am trying to find the proper venue to discuss main page plans for the 25th birthday of WP.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:12, 7 October 2025 (UTC)
- @TonyTheTiger The page you linked seems to be getting some ideas. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:53, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
Constitution
To locate 1857 Oregon Constitution 2600:6C55:4B00:17FE:3548:3FC0:2674:ACD7 (talk) 17:35, 7 October 2025 (UTC)
- Please see Constitution of Oregon, which has links to Wikisource with a copy. 331dot (talk) 17:44, 7 October 2025 (UTC)
Shinganapur
Is the idol of lor shani in blue anjana stone? 2409:40F3:100A:CDF:CCBF:5EFF:FE33:D6EC (talk) 17:52, 7 October 2025 (UTC)
- If this is a question about Wikipedia, please reword it so that it becomes understandable. If it's a question about "the idol of lor shani", then it doesn't belong on this page; instead, go to Wikipedia:Reference desk, choose the reference desk that seems most appropriate, and (after rewording it so that it is easier to understand) ask it there. -- Hoary (talk) 22:39, 7 October 2025 (UTC)
- IP editor: the article Shani Shingnapur says the shrine is in black rock but gives no further detail. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:51, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
Lost Content on the User:Trolefson/Choose an Article
I had previously made edits and filled out the entire assignment for User:Trolefson/Choose an Article, which it didn't allow me to publish anything and now everything that was written on that page is erased so is there any possible way for me to recover that? Trolefson (talk) 23:46, 7 October 2025 (UTC)
- Hi @Trolefson, the page User:Trolefson/Choose an Article is still showing content for me, unless you mean you made an additional edit to the page which didn't get published? Nil🥝 00:38, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
Rcat for ICD code?
What Rcat would I use for a redirect from an ICD code? Shocksingularity (talk) 00:55, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
- @Shocksingularity the template {{R from alternative name}} looks applicable. Have you found any existing examples for such redirects? Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:45, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
removal of National Library of Medicine link
Please refer to 07:54, 26 September 2025 edit of Radial head fracture. This removes a direct and freely-accessible link to National Library of Medicine, leaving a DOI which requires a subscription. Is there a compliance policy issue that mandates the removal of the NLM link? Fabrickator (talk) 01:19, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
- It looks like a bot removed the link because it duplicated the DOI. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v threads critiques 01:47, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
- @Jéské Couriano: Is there some reason to consider this to be acceptable behavior? Or should we just automatically include a "cbignore" template on any citation with a DOI? Fabrickator (talk) 02:13, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
- You're welcome to bring this up on the Bot Operators' noticeboard or at the talk page of Citation Bot; I'm literally just the messenger here and am just going off of the bot's edit summary. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v threads critiques 02:47, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
- The bot's edit is correct. The deleted url is not a duplicate of the doi but is a duplicate of the PMC. In the absence of a url,
{{cite journal}}
creates a title link from the value assigned to|pmc=
. The original url is: - the url created from
|pmc=7285971
is: - both link to the same target.
- —Trappist the monk (talk) 02:52, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
- @Trappist the monk: I'm glad I only went about half-crazy on this. Thanks for the explanation. Fabrickator (talk) 03:49, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
- The bot's edit is correct. The deleted url is not a duplicate of the doi but is a duplicate of the PMC. In the absence of a url,
- You're welcome to bring this up on the Bot Operators' noticeboard or at the talk page of Citation Bot; I'm literally just the messenger here and am just going off of the bot's edit summary. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v threads critiques 02:47, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
- @Jéské Couriano: Is there some reason to consider this to be acceptable behavior? Or should we just automatically include a "cbignore" template on any citation with a DOI? Fabrickator (talk) 02:13, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
contentious topic
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
I recently began to update pages that have been flagged as contentious topics. I am a scientist and have been trying to reference current research. The document unfortinately is gang edited by ableist denyers of autistic people's needs, which is leading to an editing war. I would like to study how I can make an impact in primary source literature for the betterment of society. Please refer me to academic reading material on case studies where the scientists accomplished this in spite of the naysayers. Spotoninuity (talk) 05:00, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
- I deny that facilitated communication serves
autistic people's needs
. I am a scientist
...Please refer me to academic reading material
—do you sense the contradiction? Scientists usually know how to find their sources. And WP:PRIMARY medical studies get rejected out of hand, see WP:MEDRS. tgeorgescu (talk) 05:12, 8 October 2025 (UTC)- Blanket reverts under the label “not constructive” in contentious topics undermine both scientific ethics and Wikipedia’s collaborative standards. Citing a reverted page does not reliably substitute for primary source evidence or meaningful engagement with the content itself. Spotoninuity (talk) 05:15, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
- Well, here at Wikipedia, we do not like
primary source evidence
. We seek WP:SECONDARY sources. tgeorgescu (talk) 05:17, 8 October 2025 (UTC)- According to Wikipedia policy, a peer-reviewed scientific study that gathers direct observations (eye tracking of spellers) and presents analysis, synthesis, or conclusions about those observations functions as an authoritative secondary source in that context. Such sources are foundational to Wikipedia articles because they provide interpretation and evaluation of primary data, and their analytic claims may be included in Wikipedia per core sourcing policies. Spotoninuity (talk) 05:26, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
- You do not make the WP:RULES. Our house, our rules. If you're pleading for primary research: you've already lost this dispute. tgeorgescu (talk) 05:27, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
- FC is a contentious topic because it involves a genuine controversy where reliable sources differ in their views. This designation is meant to encourage careful, constructive editing and ensure that multiple perspectives are fairly represented for the benefit of readers. Spotoninuity (talk) 05:49, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
- See WP:FRINGE. tgeorgescu (talk) 05:50, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
- The designation of a topic as “fringe” on Wikipedia requires that the subject be recognized as such by reliable secondary sources, not just through unilateral editor decisions or revert wars. Wikipedia’s core policies emphasize neutrality and fair representation of significant viewpoints. If both sides of a controversy are not allowed discussion and presentation with due weight, it contradicts Wikipedia’s principles of neutrality and open collaboration. Constructive debate and properly sourced information from all notable perspectives must be allowed for readers to get a balanced understanding, especially in contentious topics. Restricting discussion without community consensus undermines these foundational policies and goes against the spirit of Wikipedia. Spotoninuity (talk) 05:54, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
- Are you using a WP:LLM? tgeorgescu (talk) 05:57, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
- I am using an AI editor only to refine my grammar, not to generate ideas or content. Wikipedia encourages this for non-native English speakers as long as I review the language and ensure all edits meet policy.
- Are you relying on page reverts and labeling dissenting views as “pseudoscience,”? You are disregarding the foundational role of science-based sources on Wikipedia. Suppressing scientific evidence through revert actions instead of substantive discussion goes against Wikipedia’s core content policies, which require verifiable, reliable sources and fair representation of all significant positions. Spotoninuity (talk) 06:09, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
- I don't believe that. The reason is that LLMs do not understand the rules of Wikipedia, so they cannot help you write good arguments. Wikipedically speaking, all your arguments are bad. tgeorgescu (talk) 06:22, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
- Using talk page discussions, seeking consensus, and adhering strictly to neutrality and reliable sourcing ensures that all significant viewpoints are considered and that disputes are resolved transparently and fairly, in line with community guidelines. This process is central to managing contentious topics collaboratively and maintaining trust in Wikipedia’s editorial standards. Spotoninuity (talk) 06:22, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
- As I said: all your arguments miss the point. tgeorgescu (talk) 06:24, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
- Wikipedia exemplifies the social construction of knowledge, emphasizing that editors are expected to add content supported by the consensus of mainstream reliable sources—such as peer-reviewed research or reporting from reputable news organizations. This approach underscores that Wikipedia’s editorial process is collective, relying on verifiability and public consensus, not individual authority or unsourced expertise. (Yes, I have a published sandbox). Spotoninuity (talk) 06:28, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
- Stop it! LLMs don't understand what they write. They don't understand the rules of Wikipedia, and cannot produce good Wikipedic arguments. tgeorgescu (talk) 06:30, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
- Calling FC "scientifically discredited" must be supported by reliable secondary sources per Wikipedia policy on verifiability and reliable sourcing. If editors reject scientific sources yet keep that wording without acknowledging the controversy, they violate neutrality and verifiability policies requiring fair representation of all significant viewpoints. Spotoninuity (talk) 06:31, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
- You are still missing the point. You have produced 0 (zero) credible arguments.
- You have to answer to the point, not using vacuous generalities. tgeorgescu (talk) 06:38, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
- It is contradictory to dismiss something as "scientifically invalidated" while simultaneously rejecting scientific sources as not credible. Here, the contention is generated when Wikipedia’s policies on transparently sourced arguments are violated, especially by dismissing credible scientific sources without justification. This undermines the legitimacy of the editorial process and fuels conflict instead of consensus. Spotoninuity (talk) 06:39, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
- Again: don't reply using vacuous generalities. tgeorgescu (talk) 06:40, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
- You have produced 0 (zero) credible arguments. Spotoninuity (talk) 06:41, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
- Oh, no? I told you about WP:PRIMARY, WP:SECONDARY, WP:MEDRS, and WP:FRINGE. It would take you at least an hour to read those with comprehension.
- What you argued (except for the first message above, which isn't convincing, either) are abstractions which could be said about any article, regardless of its WP:RS. However, your message is very clear: you are POV-pushing for a fringe view. tgeorgescu (talk) 07:22, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
- You have produced 0 (zero) credible arguments. Spotoninuity (talk) 06:41, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
- Again: don't reply using vacuous generalities. tgeorgescu (talk) 06:40, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
- It is contradictory to dismiss something as "scientifically invalidated" while simultaneously rejecting scientific sources as not credible. Here, the contention is generated when Wikipedia’s policies on transparently sourced arguments are violated, especially by dismissing credible scientific sources without justification. This undermines the legitimacy of the editorial process and fuels conflict instead of consensus. Spotoninuity (talk) 06:39, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
- Calling FC "scientifically discredited" must be supported by reliable secondary sources per Wikipedia policy on verifiability and reliable sourcing. If editors reject scientific sources yet keep that wording without acknowledging the controversy, they violate neutrality and verifiability policies requiring fair representation of all significant viewpoints. Spotoninuity (talk) 06:31, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
- Stop it! LLMs don't understand what they write. They don't understand the rules of Wikipedia, and cannot produce good Wikipedic arguments. tgeorgescu (talk) 06:30, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
- Wikipedia exemplifies the social construction of knowledge, emphasizing that editors are expected to add content supported by the consensus of mainstream reliable sources—such as peer-reviewed research or reporting from reputable news organizations. This approach underscores that Wikipedia’s editorial process is collective, relying on verifiability and public consensus, not individual authority or unsourced expertise. (Yes, I have a published sandbox). Spotoninuity (talk) 06:28, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
- As I said: all your arguments miss the point. tgeorgescu (talk) 06:24, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
- Using talk page discussions, seeking consensus, and adhering strictly to neutrality and reliable sourcing ensures that all significant viewpoints are considered and that disputes are resolved transparently and fairly, in line with community guidelines. This process is central to managing contentious topics collaboratively and maintaining trust in Wikipedia’s editorial standards. Spotoninuity (talk) 06:22, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
- Your use of AI to rewrite your comments is not "encouraged" by WP:LLM, it only says you may use a chatbot to review your grammar or translate words you are unfamiliar with. When you use paragraphs of 5 dollar words to say "you are violating NPOV" over and over again, it makes you seem like you don't understand what tgeorgescu is saying. HansVonStuttgart (talk) 08:29, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
- There are some things to unpack: WP:NPOV does not mean pure, unadulterated neutrality (a la Larry Sanger). It means WP:GEVAL, it means WP:PSCI, it means WP:DUE and so on.
- Even if it meant that, Wikipedia follows a British Constitution model, so other policies and guidelines tweak what NPOV means. tgeorgescu (talk) 11:00, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
- I don't believe that. The reason is that LLMs do not understand the rules of Wikipedia, so they cannot help you write good arguments. Wikipedically speaking, all your arguments are bad. tgeorgescu (talk) 06:22, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
- Are you using a WP:LLM? tgeorgescu (talk) 05:57, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
- The designation of a topic as “fringe” on Wikipedia requires that the subject be recognized as such by reliable secondary sources, not just through unilateral editor decisions or revert wars. Wikipedia’s core policies emphasize neutrality and fair representation of significant viewpoints. If both sides of a controversy are not allowed discussion and presentation with due weight, it contradicts Wikipedia’s principles of neutrality and open collaboration. Constructive debate and properly sourced information from all notable perspectives must be allowed for readers to get a balanced understanding, especially in contentious topics. Restricting discussion without community consensus undermines these foundational policies and goes against the spirit of Wikipedia. Spotoninuity (talk) 05:54, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
- See WP:FRINGE. tgeorgescu (talk) 05:50, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
- FC is a contentious topic because it involves a genuine controversy where reliable sources differ in their views. This designation is meant to encourage careful, constructive editing and ensure that multiple perspectives are fairly represented for the benefit of readers. Spotoninuity (talk) 05:49, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
- You do not make the WP:RULES. Our house, our rules. If you're pleading for primary research: you've already lost this dispute. tgeorgescu (talk) 05:27, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
- According to Wikipedia policy, a peer-reviewed scientific study that gathers direct observations (eye tracking of spellers) and presents analysis, synthesis, or conclusions about those observations functions as an authoritative secondary source in that context. Such sources are foundational to Wikipedia articles because they provide interpretation and evaluation of primary data, and their analytic claims may be included in Wikipedia per core sourcing policies. Spotoninuity (talk) 05:26, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
- Well, here at Wikipedia, we do not like
- Blanket reverts under the label “not constructive” in contentious topics undermine both scientific ethics and Wikipedia’s collaborative standards. Citing a reverted page does not reliably substitute for primary source evidence or meaningful engagement with the content itself. Spotoninuity (talk) 05:15, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
No comment on the content of this dispute, but when it's 21x indents deep, it becomes ridiculous for anyone scrolling past on mobile.
We shouldn't reach the point where messages start with :::::::::::::::::::::
at the front. Please either {{outdent}}, or step back, take a breather, and see if there's a more productive way to settle this dispute. Nil🥝 12:08, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
Page
I’m asking about the page getting information purposes 173.185.61.209 (talk) 06:53, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
- I don't understand your question, can you be more clear? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:47, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
How many taxa are needed for a list page?
For articles on Wikipedia that are just lists of organisms, such as List of Aedes species or others, how many taxa should I need before I can create a page for the list? E.g., 10 extinct species in a genus isn't probably enough for an entire page. Sevenstxrsquid (talk) 08:07, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
- I don't know if it's written in a policy. Generally "8 items" is the minimum for a list, but 10 is better. Compare list of calomyscids, which was merged with the main article for the rodent family because it was so small and had maybe 8 entries depending on taxonomic consensus at the time, to list of capromyids, which has 10 living species. Extinct species are trickier to define... I recall there was another list of taxa that was controversial for being too short and ended up being merged as well. -- Reconrabbit 13:40, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
- Okay, thanks. I'll probably see if more peoples' opinions on the related WikiProject Sevenstxrsquid (talk) 00:05, 9 October 2025 (UTC)
Strange selection of sources
In the Zionism Wikipedia page, all sources are from very recent articals (from the 00's and often even later). Why is that for every other ideology you take sources fromm the pioneers of that ideology (usually around the 1920's, 1880's if not even further back in time) which presents that same ideology as in a neutral light before exposing is for the bad things that it had done (and every ideology had done very bad things when you look at extremeists). Why not show sources from the origin of Zionism in the 1900's and 1910's (and even before) from people like Benyamin Zeev Herzel and show the origin of the ideology before going into the modern day and showing the bad side of Zionism just like how you represent Communism or Facism and even Liberalism. I understand that most of the board is probably antizionist but please remember what you work for and what this website's all about, and not show just a single agenda since if you read just the beginning of the article I was able to spot multiple claims that are straight up lies. I'm not asking to hide all the awful things some Zionists did but the action of extrimists does not represent an entire people. Nate9934 (talk) 16:26, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
- @Nate9934 There is an article at History of Zionism that covers the topic in the way you mention, although its neutrality is disputed. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:05, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
- I don't know whether the two articles are separate just due to size or other considerations too, but regardless, "avoiding additional controversy" is now a good reason against merging them. TooManyFingers (talk) 17:34, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
Why is that for every other ideology you take sources fromm the pioneers of that ideology
– Liberalism, Communism and Fascism all cite many contemporary sources.most of the board is probably antizionist
– Wikipedia has no board. WP:Neutral point of view is a fundamental Wikipedia policy, but, of course, there are numerous articles that fall short of abiding to that policy. Janhrach (talk) 14:01, 9 October 2025 (UTC)
Biography
I would like to publish my biography in Wikipedia. Please advise on the procedure. Thank you. MLSantaella (talk) 17:18, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
- The best advice in most cases is to not do it. Publishing your biography somewhere, such as on your personal website, is fine, but people writing their own biography usually find Wikipedia's requirements extremely difficult to manage. One of the main problems is that all of the key points in a Wikipedia biography must be things that were already published about you by someone who had no business or social connections with you. For most people it is extremely frustrating that they are not permitted to tell the truth for themselves.
- It's also important to keep in mind that everything on Wikipedia, including biographies of living persons, is free to be edited by anyone. You would not be the owner of the biography, and would not have the right to protect it from other editors. TooManyFingers (talk) 17:52, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
- The only absolute requirement for an article to remain on Wikipedia is that the subject must be notable, by our definition: See WP:N. If you are not notable, then do not proceed or you will just be frustrated. There are more than 6 Billion living humans. Most of us are not notable. -Arch dude (talk) 18:10, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
- The procedure: You will need to create an article using the official Articles for Creation (AfC) process, which will require you to start the draft article in draftspace. You will also need to declare your conflict of interest per the guidelines. Read the WP:COI guidelines carefully. MmeMaigret (talk) 19:03, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
Donations
I am on autopay to donate to Wikimedia on a monthly basis but I keep getting these pop ups asking me to donate. It's pretty annoying. Can you create an option on the pop up button that readers can click indicating that they are regular donors? 2603:8000:6F0:8750:843:A867:8A47:DF19 (talk) 01:02, 9 October 2025 (UTC)
- There is a way to disable them in your preferences but you need an account to do it. Ultraodan (talk) 01:08, 9 October 2025 (UTC)
- IPs can theoretically be used by more than one person, so there is no way to know that the person on your IP at any given moment has seen a donation message or donated. Donation records are not connected to accounts or IPs, either. The only way to avoid seeing the messages is to create an account and turn them off in your account preferences, as noted by Ultraodan. 331dot (talk) 01:21, 9 October 2025 (UTC)
English version of Hebrew page
- I can’t upload or create the English version of my Hebrew Wikipedia page
Hi, I have an existing Hebrew Wikipedia page (Dr. Yaniv Zaid aka he:יניב זייד) and have done some small edits on other pages. However, I don’t have access to upload or create the English version of my page — it says I don’t have permission. Could someone please help me understand why, and what I need to do to get editing or page creation rights? Thank you, Carinaharon1 (talk) 09:56, 9 October 2025 (UTC)
- You should use the Article Wizard to create and submit a draft for review. Each Wikipedia is a separate project with their own policies- what is acceptable on the Hebrew Wikipedia is not necessarily acceptable here.
- You say you've edited other pages, but that's not indicated by your edit history(this is the only edit attached to your account); perhaps you did so while logged out. Your account needs to be four days old with 10 edits or more(on this Wikipedia) to be able to directly create articles- but its highly recommended that unless you have experience having articles accepted here, that you use the submission process even if you are technically able to create articles. 331dot (talk) 10:00, 9 October 2025 (UTC)
- Hello, @Carinaharon1.
- I will go further than 331dot. The Hebrew article is useless as a base for an English article, because it does not have a single source which English Wikipedia would find acceptable. (See WP:42).
- Therefore this task would be writing an English article from scratch, which is extremely hard for new editors of English Wikipedia. My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Wikipedia works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable, independent sources, and notability, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle), then you might be ready to read your first article carefully, and try creating a draft. If you don't follow this advice but try to create an article without this preparation, you are likely to have a frustrating and disappointing experience with Wikipedia. ColinFine (talk) 15:21, 9 October 2025 (UTC)
donations
I just received an alert asking for donations. In the past, I'd receive these perhaps 2/3 times per years and I'd donate $50. Several years ago, a request came through that had me donating $2.75 per month, which comes nowhere near what I was donating, even out of a small income, because I do appreciate Wikipedia and I use it quite often. However, since I accidentally ended up on this ongoing donation thing (until now) I've not received another request. Because of this most recent request, I've logged in and wandered through all the help pages and I'm hoping that you can help, by seeing to it that perhaps I might receive more messages asking for greater support that $2.75 pm, because if I can help at the time, I will. Cheers guys and thank you for your service 👍🏻🇦🇺 ChocolateTeddyBears (talk) 10:41, 9 October 2025 (UTC)
- @ChocolateTeddyBears You can control whether to see donation banners when logged in via Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-centralnotice-banners. There is a "Donate" link as part of the Main Menu, where you can change your actual donations. I prefer to contribute by editing rather than donating and the WMF is not short of cash currently. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:55, 9 October 2025 (UTC)
- Donation records are not attached to accounts and vice versa. Inquiries about donations(like accidentally doing an ongoing donation) should go to donate@wikimedia.org. 331dot (talk) 10:59, 9 October 2025 (UTC)
Wikipedia:-namespace links as external links
I remember I have read somewhere that in mainspace, links to the Wikipedia: namespace should be treated as external links, but I couldn't find any policy or guideline that actually says that. So, is this true, or just a false memory? Janhrach (talk) 13:47, 9 October 2025 (UTC)
- @Janhrach: It's false for hatnotes and disambiguation pages. Do you mean in article text and references?`PrimeHunter (talk) 13:52, 9 October 2025 (UTC)
- Yes, for article text. Janhrach (talk) 13:55, 9 October 2025 (UTC)
- @Janhrach: WP:WAWI says: "if you link from an article to a specific Wikipedia page, use external link style". PrimeHunter (talk) 13:59, 9 October 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks. Unfortunately, it is still unclear to me if, under MOS, Special:Diff/1315737624 is OK. What do you think? Janhrach (talk) 14:08, 9 October 2025 (UTC)
- @Janhrach: WP:WAWI says: "if you link from an article to a specific Wikipedia page, use external link style". PrimeHunter (talk) 13:59, 9 October 2025 (UTC)
- Yes, for article text. Janhrach (talk) 13:55, 9 October 2025 (UTC)
Cancel my policy
- Header inserted by ColinFine (talk) 15:23, 9 October 2025 (UTC)
cancel my policy 2600:4040:A12E:FC00:F430:24F5:BF08:AC4D (talk) 15:19, 9 October 2025 (UTC)
- I'm not sure who you're intending to talk to, IP user, but this is the help desk for Wikipedia, the online encyclopaedia, and nothing else. We don't have "policies" that can be cancelled. --ColinFine (talk) 15:23, 9 October 2025 (UTC)
remove a suggestion for a reference
Someone added [full citation needed] and this was done. How do I get rid of the [full citation needed] note.
Also Lentz's algorithm is not JUST the category of Special Hypergeometric Functions. That category restricts the new continued fraction method to a single application of Hypergeometric functions such as Bessel functions. AI says: Continued fractions fall primarily under the branch of Number Theory, though they also have significant applications in areas like complex analysis, numerical analysis, and dynamical systems. While commonly encountered in number theory, the concept of continued fractions is a general mathematical tool used for representing numbers and functions, with applications ranging from providing the best rational approximations to solving complex problems in various mathematical fields. Wj lentz (talk) 20:46, 9 October 2025 (UTC)
- In common with the vast majority of the population, Wj lentz, I do not understand the concepts discussed in Lentz's algorithm. (This of course is a criticism of myself or my miseducation, not of the algorithm or the article.) However, I can say that provision of a sound citation permits removal of a "citation needed" flag. But as you are (I presume) the author of the algorithm and several cited works, it shouldn't be you who does this. Instead, you should make suggestions and requests at Talk:Lentz's algorithm. If there's no response for a week or more, then post a message at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics inviting people to look at, and respond at, Talk:Lentz's algorithm. As for categorization -- sorry, I'm going to have to provide a non-mathematical example -- if we have an article about somebody who is both Somali and (US) American, and both a painter and a ceramicist, then it's entirely proper to categorize her as "American painter". Doing so doesn't imply either that she's nothing aside from American or that she's notable for nothing other than her paintings. She can additionally be categorized as a Somali painter, a Somali ceramicist, and an American ceramicist. -- Hoary (talk) 22:26, 9 October 2025 (UTC)
Donate
I can’t use the overflow in order to make donation Regatds Kate Simpson 2001:8003:4260:7200:CC49:1F7F:61D9:6B0C (talk) 20:51, 9 October 2025 (UTC)
- Inquiries about the donation process should be directed to the Wikimedia Foundation, email donate@wikimedia.org . 331dot (talk) 22:17, 9 October 2025 (UTC)
AfD or ?
I stumbled across this article Howard J. Buss by accident but quickly saw the glaring problems. Obviously it passes GNG but only if what is stated (awards, international recordings) is true. However, all of the references are drawn from the same primary source directly linked to the BLP's website. The only secondary is "not available". There is just too much content for absolutely no RS. Is this an AfD or a major scrub and template placing overhaul? The creating editor Suemanning1972 contributions have only been to create this page and to place entries of the BLP's works on corresponding instrumental WP pages for promotion: [2]. I don't know why, but they removed the COI tag recently: [3]. The editor uploaded an image of the BLP: [4] but claimed the image as "own work" under the name Judy E Buss. Maineartists (talk) 01:40, 10 October 2025 (UTC)
- Possible COI: BLP publisher Brixton Publications. Creating editor submitted article on Publisher: [5], [6]. Maineartists (talk) 02:21, 10 October 2025 (UTC)
- @Maineartists: GNG is about significant coverage in independent reliable sources, and the sources in the article don't show that. However a Google books search finds some potentially useful sources, e.g. an article in The Heritage Encyclopedia of Band Music and a review of a piece in Gramophone (magazine) in 2005, so the article could be improved. I presume that Google won't have uploaded all the relevant books and magazines, so it may be hard to find enough sources to show notability. TSventon (talk) 02:51, 10 October 2025 (UTC)
old accounts
i hav a old account and i know username but not password or email 203.116.182.182 (talk) 08:45, 10 October 2025 (UTC)
- Unfortunately this means you will be unable to access your account, and you will need to create a new account. You may identify it as a successor to your old account("I am User5678", I was previously User1234 but lost access"). 331dot (talk) 08:53, 10 October 2025 (UTC)
Ensuring accurate translations from English articles
Hello community,
I’ve noticed that the English article Surfshark VPN is translated into several other languages, but some of the translations appear inaccurate, and a few facts do not match the English version. I would like to ensure that translations in other languages remain consistent with the English article and reflect accurate factual information. Since I am affiliated with the subject of the article, I cannot edit the articles myself due to conflict of interest. I would greatly appreciate advice on how to: - Propose corrections or improvements in other languages. - Ensure that volunteer editors can safely implement these updates. - Keep everything fully compliant with Wikipedia’s COI and neutral point of view guidelines.
Any guidance or recommended process would be very helpful. TeaAndPages (talk) 08:59, 10 October 2025 (UTC)
- TeaAndPages First, please formally disclose your COI on your userpage(click your username, currently in red, to access it). If your COI is that you are employed by the company, you are required by the Terms of Use to instead make the stricter paid editing disclosure.
- Each language Wikipedia is a separate project, with their own editors, policies, and practices. You will need to go to each language version to ask what their specific policies are with regards to contributing about this topic. 331dot (talk) 09:04, 10 October 2025 (UTC)
- I stated COI on my page, but I wanted to clarify that this is not a company's initiative but rather my personal initiative to ensure the facts are true. I am not seeking to pay for editing, but I want to ensure that any changes are made in accordance with Wikipedia's rules. Just to make sure, will I need to visit each language talk page and request revisions there, or contact editors directly? TeaAndPages (talk) 09:22, 10 October 2025 (UTC)
- TeaAndPages, 331dot was asking not whether you were suggesting that you would pay other editors to do the work, but whether you were being paid for your efforts to nudge Wikipedia. If "yes" to the latter, you must declare it. (But if the former -- just don't.) If for example you want changes to be made to lt:Surfshark, then you have to go to Lithuanian-language Wikipedia and find out how such requests are made (whether on lt:Aptarimas:Surfshark or elsewhere). Incidentally, there appear to be 11 articles on Surfshark, but you shouldn't assume that any of them started off (let alone has continued to develop) as a translation of another. -- Hoary (talk) 10:41, 10 October 2025 (UTC)
- I stated COI on my page, but I wanted to clarify that this is not a company's initiative but rather my personal initiative to ensure the facts are true. I am not seeking to pay for editing, but I want to ensure that any changes are made in accordance with Wikipedia's rules. Just to make sure, will I need to visit each language talk page and request revisions there, or contact editors directly? TeaAndPages (talk) 09:22, 10 October 2025 (UTC)