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I need help with the NCO ranks, i already made the png files how the ranks look but i dont know how to modify the code so i make it look like the greek one, cypriot army have 2 nco ranks for every rank, one for permanent NCOs that completed military academy and the other for SYP-EPY (in Greece EPOP-EMTh) for contracted NCOs that cannot become Warrant Officers, example bellow.

NCO ranks (excl. OR-9 and conscript ranks) have undergone some changes through the years, the latest being in 2004.^[1]

NATO code	OR-9						OR-8		OR-7		OR-6						OR-5						OR-4				OR-3		OR-2						OR-1
Hellenic Army[2] v t e																																			Arm/corps insignia only
	Ανθυπασπιστής[a] Anthypaspistis						Αρχιλοχίας Archilochias		Επιλοχίας Epilochias		Λοχίας Lochias												Δεκανέας Dekaneas				Υποδεκανέας Ypodekaneas								Στρατιώτης Stratiotis
Greece (Conscripts)							No equivalent																												No insignia
	Δόκιμος Έφεδρος Αξιωματικός Dokimos Efedros Axiomatikos[a]										Λοχίας Lochias												Δεκανέας Dekaneas				Υποδεκανέας Ypodekaneas		Υποψήφιος Έφεδρος Βαθμοφόρος Ypopsifios Efedros Bathmoforos						Στρατιώτης Stratiotis

I want the quick and easy way to correctly refer to the same external source more than once.

All I can find online is something about "foo."

Thank you!!!!!!!! LBDon (talk) 20:57, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You can give the reference a name, and then use that to refer back to it. See WP:REPEATCITE. LizardJr8 (talk) 21:14, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Lizard, tx for getting back to me so quickly. I found that earlier, but seemed to recall an easier process I used once but forgot.

That said, I need to learn to do what you advise.

In this convention: ^[1]

Can you help me understand what is what? I believe that "name" which appears in italics, is the English name I arbitrarily choose to refer to the original citation, but I do not understand what "TEXT OF THE CITATION" means. Is that the entire original hyertext that generated the original citation? LBDon (talk) 21:47, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it would be the whole original text. So you could use <ref name="cbc">{{cite web|url=https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatoon/saskatoon-regina-working-on-solutions-as-more-encampments-pop-up-in-frigid-temperatures-1.7403970|title=Saskatoon, Regina working on solutions as more encampments pop up in frigid temperatures|publisher=CBC News|date=9 Dec 2024}}</ref>

Then later on to re-use it, just use <ref name="cbc" />. LizardJr8 (talk) 21:51, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If you are using the ref toolbar, see also WP:INTREF3 -- that might be the easier way you used previously? LizardJr8 (talk) 21:55, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict) I used the first paragraph of your sandbox as an example, if that helps. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 21:59, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If you are using WP:visual editor, then you can simply highlight the reference number [1] and copy and paste to your desired location. Ca ^{talk to me!} 03:42, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, I have been working upon this draft, The draft is about the List of the episodes of an animated Cartoon series - Chhota Bheem. Here's the draft that I've created- Draft:List of Chhota Bheem Episodes. I'm facing following doubts kindly assist me

While editing my draft, I was looking out for some reliable souces, which I got from google books for the summary part https://books.google.co.in/books?id=VL0eDgAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false It's in the form of pages, as the Series productions have published books

Kindly assist and help me will it be a good idea to create this draft or any other feedback! JesusisGreat7 (talk) 09:54, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@JesusisGreat7 It is always a good idea to create drafts if the topic is supported by references which pass WP:42 (a shorthand for what is required. We want article on verifiably notable topics. The reverse is also true, we have no requirement at all for articles where notability either does not exist or cannot be verified.

Your draft has no references. You need to decide what to do and choose your own path. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 01:01, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If Wikipedia is not a newspaper per WP:NOTNEWS, then why are there articles about ongoing events? Some events such as wars I understand since we cannot predict when they will end, but for things like hurricanes, there is almost always an article made before the storm even dissipates that gets updated as information comes out. For these smaller-scale events, shouldn't articles not be made until the event is over? ApteryxRainWing🐉 | Roar with me!!! | My contributions 12:24, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@User:ApteryxRainWing NOTNEWS is more of a clarification of what should and should not be covered on Wikipedia. Ultimately, if an article is created and later turns out to be non-notable, it can be merged with other articles or simply gotten rid of. A good example of this would be the difference between why Storm Darragh and Storm Arwen were notable (red weather warnings are rare in our neck of the woods), while Storm Bert and Storm Aileen were merged into windstorm season articles. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 12:51, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@ApteryxRainWing: NOTNEWS (and similarly WP:RECENT and WP:NOTEVERYTHING), applies more to how a Wikipedia article is expected to be written than whether it should be written; the latter is covered by WP:NOTABILITY. So, if an ongoing event is considered to be Wikipedia notable per WP:NEVENT so that a stand-up article to be written about it, it should be written in a formal encyclopedic style and not in the journalistic style in which many newspaper articles typically are written. -- Marchjuly (talk) 04:35, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A few days ago, I nominated Redout for deletion due to lack of sources surrounding gameplay, development, and reception and people overwhelmingly voted to keep it. Because of this, I wonder about something. How far do the original research and citation policies really go? For example, if I were improving the gameplay section for Redout, WP:BLUE says I could add easily verifiable information without a citation. In Redout's case, couldn't I add a sentence along the lines of "In Redout, your ship has the ability to strafe sideways, which can be combined with steering to allow the player to drift". It's easily verifiable since it is literally the first thing you are taught aside from accelerating. I wouldn't say its common knowledge, but it still is such an easy thing to verify. Maybe this wasn't the best example, but basically I just want to know why we need to cite sources for fundamental mechanics in video games that can be verified by playing the game for thirty seconds. ApteryxRainWing🐉 | Roar with me!!! | My contributions 13:11, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I believe you can cite primary sources for gameplay, like the developer's website, the game's manual, or the game itself. Industrial Insect (talk) 15:15, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

David notMD said it's fine to write a gameplay or plot section without citations since those types of things can be verified by playing the game itself, but citations are still necessary for general information (release dates, developers, DLC, etc.) or critic reception. I rewrote the entire gameplay and plot sections for the Redout article. ApteryxRainWing🐉 | Roar with me!!! | My contributions 15:26, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@User:ApteryxRainWing You might wish to refer to WP:PRIMARY and WP:SELFPUB in order to increase your policy knowledge. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 17:54, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

'Plot' is almost universally uncited because it's understood by default that all of the information presented could be reproduced simply by consuming a piece of media. Moreover, the sources are almost always going to be primary to that piece of media because few if any pieces of media have their plots covered beat-for-beat in a coherent, linear manner by reliable, independent sources. (Meanwhile, actually citing this information would absolutely clog up the 'References' section with these trivial citations.) Video games suffer from an additional issue that books and even movies tend not to have too, which is that expressing the plot strictly via citations can be extremely challenging depending on how dialogue-heavy the game is. With all this in mind, citations are generally the exception, not the norm.

'Gameplay' is a bit different and a bit trickier. Maybe I'll write an essay about this someday if someone hasn't yet, but games journalism outlets very often do cover a wide variety of the most important gameplay elements. The manual will similarly generally give more focus to the most important gameplay elements. Just writing untethered from those, an editor can get bogged down in meticulous detail not necessary for a general understanding of the gameplay (often lumped in as WP:CRUFT). Finally, the citations – unlike for 'Plot' – tend not to be to the media itself, and thus I as a reader don't have to directly engage with the media to verify what you've written. Thus, I would say that citations for 'Gameplay' are equivocal: you don't need them per se, but like at Ratchet & Clank, I would say it's useful for keeping yourself in line while writing and does at least help verifiability as a reader.

TL;DR: Plot, basically never with rare exceptions. Gameplay, not strictly necessary but can keep you from going off-track and can still be useful to the reader for verifiability. TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 01:56, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So Redout is a bit of a special case. The story and history of the world is told as you progress through the game, since the lore is told through ship and track descriptions. As for its gameplay, game journalists often fail to properly explain games like Redout. When I rewrote the gameplay section, I tried to include only the most important information (because Wikipedia is not a strategy guide, otherwise I would be screaming "strafe before steer" from the highest mountaintop) that would give someone a general idea of the gameplay without going too in-depth. ApteryxRainWing🐉 | Roar with me!!! | My contributions 12:15, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How to active any WikiProject like Wikipedia:WikiProject Jharkhand and other state's WikiProject? Kindly help me. Taabii (talk) 13:14, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Taabii We need a little more information to understand your request. What, as exact'y as you are able to say, do you wish to do? 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 00:57, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Taabii. Do you mean "How do I make a WikiProject active again"? I imagine, Timtrent, that Taabii is here because the message states: "Consider looking for related projects for help or ask at the Teahouse." If I were you, Taabii, I would go to the talk page for WikiProject India and ask if anyone would like to join you in collaboratively improving and discussing articles related to Jharkhand. A WikiProject is believed to be inactive when there is no or very little collaborative activity on a WikiProject. Also pinging Tinucherian to see if they may want to/be able to assist in getting the project active again. TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 01:35, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@TheTechnician27 You got it, Thanks. I'll ask at Wikiproject India's talkpage. — Taabii (talk) 05:37, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How do you create a subsection with the dropdown button like for example on the ones on this article you can click on "history" or "openness" or "policies and content" Красный Октябрь (talk) 19:50, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! Sections and subsections are put into the Contents tab automatically. Help:Section details how to create them. Perception312 (talk) 22:53, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! I found the information for it Красный Октябрь (talk) 12:37, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

--Amogelang22 (talk) 19:54, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Amogelang22 You will need to phrase your question much more clearly to get an answer. Different to what? Latest version of what? Shantavira|^{feed me} 20:06, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I'm attempting to add a section to Rep. Michelle Steel's wikipedia page, but it is protected. https://teknopedia.ac.id/wiki/Michelle_Steel

How can I edit? C4f43jk45j (talk) 22:02, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's noted on the Talk:Michelle_Steel page under Warning: active arbitration remedies :

• You must be logged-in to an autoconfirmed or confirmed account (usually granted automatically to accounts with 10 edits and an age of 4 days)

Your account was just created today, and you have no other edit activity other than this post. The confusing username you chose might indicate it is a throwaway account used for vandalism or sockpuppetry. Alegh (talk) 22:45, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, for this article, protection prohibits edits unless more than 30 days and 500 edits. You can post a request on the Talk page of the article. David notMD (talk) 22:47, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This specific article requires Extended Confirmed permissions. You must be logged into an account that is 30 days old with 500 edits. However, based on your random jumble of characters in your username and the fact you have no other edits, this may be an account used only for vandalism. If my assumption is incorrect, you may post a request with the edit you wish to be made on the talk page of the article. Ali Beary _{(talk2me!) (stalk me?!)} 13:25, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm trying to edit the Restless legs syndrome page under Treatment and Medication I added a paragraph about the use of opioids and Buprenorphine but the citations aren't cooperating. Can someone please hel me?! Bookminder (talk) 23:59, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Bookminder I'm not sure what you're referring to - the only recent edit is by an IP, and there doesn't seem to be a problem with the references. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 00:18, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I might add, Bookminder, as you're a bit new to Wikipedia: I haven't seen your edits to restless legs syndrome yet since they clearly didn't go through, but I highly suggest that you read WP:MEDRS before trying to contribute to articles on medical subjects. It's considerably stricter than our general guideline on reliable sources due to the high risk that medical misinformation can legitimately hurt or even kill people. The edits you tried to publish may have already abided by it, but it's something I think anyone trying to edit in this domain should at least be somewhat familiar with. TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 01:11, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

At View history I also see no evidence of an added paragraph or it being deleted. Did you not press the Publish changes button at the bottom? David notMD (talk) 16:39, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome to the Teahouse, @Bookminder. As the fellows above me have said, it doesn't appear like you actually published the edit for us to see. TheWikiToby (talk) 16:48, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I got this message on my talk page (User_talk:Interstellarity#Hail_the_light_🔥). I don't believe that message was appropriate for Wikipedia especially since they are trying to link outside Wikipedia. I am wondering what I should do about it. Should I ignore it? Should I report it to admins? What do you recommend I do? Interstellarity (talk) 01:01, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is definitely an instance of spam, and it definitely isn't appropriate. They've done this two other places too, and I really don't know how they landed on your username for this. Thankfully it seems on the surface like a light-hearted joke, but I imagine they'll be blocked once one of the several administrators who usually hang around here see this, because it's still disruptive spam. For now, I might just remove it from your talk page if you want or just leave it up as the strange little anomaly it is. TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 01:05, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Interstellarity: You're free to remove content from your user talk page as long as you follow WP:BLANKING; however, if you want it hidden in your user talk page's page history, you will need to ask an administrator to do that. I don't think WP:SUPPRESS is needed here, but you could ask an admin to WP:REVDEL it if it bothers you knowing it's in your page history. As for what to do about the account who added the post, you could (1) do nothing, (2) do one of the things suggested in WP:SPAM#Warning spammers or (3) go straight to one of the administrator noticeboards. Each person responds differently, but perhaps either (1) or (2) would suffice in this case, and (3) is only needed if they come back a do it again. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:33, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

i do think a revdel might be needed. it contained some personal info, so... cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 12:55, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have removed it as not to encourage addition of more spam links. I don't think it is a joke; there are dedicated spambots crawling the web to add spam links to wiki websites. If they continue adding those links, I recommend reporting it to WP:AIV. Ca ^{talk to me!} 01:34, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It had been some years since I'd started an article from scratch, and my later WR contributions have been additions of information, wording improvements, discussions on talk pages (etc) — pertaining to existing articles. Publishing procedures have changed.

Over six weeks or so, I developed a draft of a new article. Partway through, I'd received a Comment saying that the tone needed to be more flat and dry. So I worked toward that. In my latest drafts, I had shortened the article as well. This is what I'd like to publish:

https://teknopedia.ac.id/w/index.php?title=Richard_Raymond_(publisher)&oldid=1262549293

How should I go about it? Advice will be much appreciated.Joel Russ (talk) 01:23, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, @Joel Russ. Since you have moved it to main space, there is nothing you need to do to it. You can carry on improving it, as can anybody else.

However, I think you should work at improving your sources. I'm not sure what ref 10 ("The introduction to "The Briarpatch Book"") is, but I'm pretty sure that it is not a reliable source, and so, should not be cited, period. The "History of the Briarpatch" is not published by the Wayback machine, but is a self-published source by the Briarpatch community, and the entry should say this (see Template:cite web#Using "archive-url" and "archive-date" (and optionally "url-status") for webpages that have been archived). As far as I can see, you have no independent sources for the existence of Briarpatch, so I question whether it is sufficiently notable to be included in an article about Raymond.

The other thing that I suggest you do is to add him to the disambiguation page Richard Raymond. ColinFine (talk) 13:45, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

First, thanks so much for your reply. As to my reference #10, I'd like to leave it in place for the time being, if possible. The writer (Ms Bedi) directly copied a quote from the book. A problem I've faced is that, locally, I can't get my hands on a copy of Michael Phillips' The Birarpatch Book (ISBN10: 0912078634). True, my issue would be resolved if I can purchase a copy from a used-book seller.

Independent sources have certainly attested to the existence of the Briatpatch Network (established to support small businesses), e.g. Kirk's book, also page 306 of The Next Whole Earth Catalog, and elsewhere.

Your replacement contents web-template contents for reference #12 is a very helpful item. So thanks for that, and for the generosity of your entire response.Joel Russ (talk) 17:49, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Joel Russ, the book is available in over 100 libraries], perhaps one near you. In addition, a full-text version of the book is available for loan at the Internet archive Open Library collection; I just signed it out (and then returned it) and full access was instantaneous. You may have to create a (free) IA account before you can borrow it. Mathglot (talk) 09:53, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

court records made public by policy indicate a 2020 divorce between Larry Ellison and Nikita Kahn Ellison. Thus they were married and thus she was spouse #5. https://unicourt.com/case/ca-sm-lawrence-j-ellison-vs-nikita-k-ellison-752115#

Yet it's removed. The divorce date is certain see records. Polymestor 17 (talk) 02:11, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. So if I used a sports story that would be ok? See https://frontofficesports.com/larry-ellison-michigan-jolin-nil-underwood/

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/mauricio-umansky-mystery-woman-nikita-000000837.html

https://sg.finance.yahoo.com/news/oracle-billionaire-larry-ellison-hosted-220000432.html

https://www.scmp.com/magazines/style/entertainment/article/3271861/who-nikita-kahn-model-spotted-smooching-mauricio-umansky-buying-beverly-hills-star-has-moved-his

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/mauricio-umansky-mystery-woman-nikita-000000837.html

https://frontofficesports.com/larry-ellison-michigan-nil-bryce-underwood/

https://www.gettyimages.com/photos/nikita-kahn-larry-ellison

69.181.17.113 (talk) 03:55, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Those articles do not dominate court records. If there is a record of a divorce in 2020, Kahn and Ellison were married. She is wife #5. Clearly on the sky, but it's public record. I don't know what editor motives are for using "reportedly" sources over a court records but I am sure Ellison is pleased. Polymestor 17 (talk) 04:30, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Polymestor 17 The reason is the WP:BLPPRIMARY portion of the Biographies of Living Persons policy: Do not use trial transcripts and other court records, or other public documents, to support assertions about a living person. —C.Fred (talk) 04:32, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks sorry will use sports news story https://frontofficesports.com/larry-ellison-michigan-jolin-nil-underwood/ Polymestor 17 (talk) 13:24, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Antonio Monda is almost entirely written by contributors that have only contributed to that article. I think it needs tagging or hat-notes or scrutiny. 69.181.17.113 (talk) 03:30, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The users would be WP:SPAs (single purpose accounts). Perhaps there is a conflict of interest, or paid editing. Check if there is promotion or whitewashing. Tagging is only needed if there looks to be a problem. Read the essay for more detail on how to cope with a SPA. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 03:38, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Apart from the SPA question, the article is seriously under-referenced: only 4 sources and 5 citations in total, and none in Sections 1–4 or 7–10. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.1.211.243 (talk) 21:33, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's worse than that. Even though the article has been around since 2007, all four references are primary sources, mostly interviews, so none of them even are adequate to assist in establishing notability (which, however, is probably not in doubt if the proper sources were brought in). This 14kb article lacks even a single, secondary source to verify any of it. If presented as a draft at Afc, I would instantly decline it. I've raised this at WP:BLPN. Mathglot (talk) 19:08, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I want to learn pure maths,so,I need your help. If you can , I'm very grateful to you . 41.113.204.186 (talk) 05:03, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Teahouse is for asking and answering questions about editing Wikipedia. Read Mathematics and whatever related articles that interest you. You can ask specific questions at Wikipedia:Reference desk/Mathematics. Cullen328 (talk) 05:10, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If you're interested in learning the very fundamentals of how to reason about axioms and proofs, I can't disagree with Moritz at the Math Stack Exchange who suggests "How to Prove It: A Structured Approach" by Velleman. I also recommend reading a recently featured Wikipedia article algebra, as algebraic structures are a core component of pure math. But yes, the reference desk is liable to be a more useful source of information here. (only answering in earnest as a fun novelty). TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 05:45, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

look at the History of mathematics ... 69.181.17.113 (talk) 19:18, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am really confused about new articles and notability. I picked some well known people (Rowlett and Steckles) and researched them using independent sources and avoiding their own websites. The first has been rejected. The rejection links to academic notability criteria. This person is an academic, but I'm not arguing their research is notable or that they have won lots of awards, etc. I cited several newspaper articles and several in-depth interviews and I don't know why this isn't enough, especially compared to other people in UK maths that I can find Wikipedia pages for. I try to explain in reply to the rejection, but I'm not sure if that gets read. Any advice welcome! Maths11 (talk) 07:45, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The reviewer may not have seen your question–I suggest dropping a note on their user talk page. Ca ^{talk to me!} 11:44, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your drafts were Declined (Rejected is more severe). The two reviewers posted standardized wording for their reasons for the decision). You can still ask for more feedback on their Talk pages. David notMD (talk) 16:47, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, got it, thank you! I got a notification that there was a comment on my user talk page, and when I read it there was a reply button underneath so I used it, but that doesn't actually reply to anyone except me. Maths11 (talk) 16:06, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Looked at some of your sources for Rowlett. This doesn't appear to mention him at all, maybe wrong URL? This one and this one he wrote, failing the "independence" criteria. This, this, and others are interviews, which are allowed to be cited, but also fail the "independence" criteria because its what he says about himself, and you can't base an article entirely on that. You're on the right track with the focus on newspaper articles/books/etc. but you need to find 2-3 that write a paragraph or so about him that aren't interviews to pass the notability (really, "is there enough independent stuff written about this guy to base an article on") criteria. Ping the reviewer with that and you should be good. Mrfoogles (talk) 01:19, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Might have missed some of the ones not written by him because they were paywalled (couldn't tell if they were interviews or not), the reviewer could have too, so you might need to point those out specifically. Mrfoogles (talk) 01:20, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, this is really helpful. Here the independent things are either quite short or interviews, I had thought the interviews offered depth but hadn't realised being interviewed by an independent source wasn't enough. I still find it quite confusing when I see people with pages that only cite things written by themselves or their employers, but worrying about that doesn't help me. I'm learning, slowly. Maths11 (talk) 16:03, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There are a lot of pages like that -- a thing I hear other people say on the Teahouse a lot and agree with is that the majority of Wikipedia pages are either pretty or very bad, so you can't always take them as an example. The B-class or Featured articles are the good examples, essentially. Mrfoogles (talk) 01:28, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm trying to translate my article de:Campusnetze from german to english, but my account is not experienced enough to do that. What can I do now (instead of translating for my own and manually)?

Translate page - Wikipedia Qlari (talk) 09:52, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You may create and submit a draft via the Article Wizard. Be aware that you will need to make sure that the article meets the requirements of the English Wikipedia, which are probably different than those of the German Wikipedia, which has its own policies. 331dot (talk) 10:05, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Qlari: Please note that English Wikpedia already has an article with a similar title: Campus network. However, its scope and level of detail differ from de:Campusnetze. So I suppose it would be better to gradually expand en-wiki article by adding new information from de-wiki, rather than translating the whole de-wiki page and replacing the existing one here. --CiaPan (talk) 08:48, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Qlari, please note that if you translate portions of de:Campusnetze (or any article) into English Wikipedia, you are required to provide credit to the original authors of the German article in the Edit summary (the input field just above the Publish button) of your edit. Suggested wording you can use for translation attribution is given at WP:CWW#Translating from other language Wikimedia projects. This is per Wikipedia's licensing requirements. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 09:40, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. I need help with an article about the company AIR Media-Tech. I tried to create this article earlier, but the moderation considered it too promotional. Now I’ve rewritten it and tried to make it more neutral. Could I get feedback on it? What are the chances of publication, and is there anything else I need to change? Thank you very much in advance for your help! Draft:AIR Media-Tech Yuliya Kravchenko 2018 (talk) 10:49, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, @Yuliya Kravchenko 2018, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid you are having an experience which is very common among new editors who plunge into the challenging task of creating a new article before spending time learning how Wikipedia works. (I'm aware that you created your account six years ago, but you don't seem to have made any edits until recently).

My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Wikipedia works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable, independent sources, and notability, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle), then you might be ready to read your first article carefully, and try creating a draft.

It is tiresome evaluating your sources, because you have presented them as bare URLs, which means that the useful information - publication, date, title - are not immediately apparent: please see WP:REFB. But I can see straight away that several are not appropriate: Crunchbase is not regarded as a reliable source, which means it should never be cited (see WP:CRUNCHBASE; anything from newswire, (or elsewhere if based on press releases) is of very limited value, because it is not independent.

A Wikipedia article should be a summary of what independent commentators have published about a subject, and very little else. Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost entirely interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources.

Please see WP:42 for a discussion of the criteria that most cited sources should meet. ColinFine (talk) 14:01, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How can I delete my account? Francis Balaton (talk) 11:06, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Francis Balaton Wikipedia accounts cannot be deleted, but since this is your only edit to Wikipedia you can just abandon the account and never use it again. Shantavira|^{feed me} 11:12, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Account deletion is something you can't do, but since this is your only edit, I see no reason why you can't just log out and leave the account behind. Was there a specific reason behind you wanting the account deleted, or do you just not want the account? Ali Beary (talk2me!) 13:06, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You can vanish if you don't want your current username visible. 331dot (talk) 13:20, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

say, as a purely hypothetical scenario, that i open a sockpuppet investigation on someone, and it ends with multiple socks being found and blocked. let's call this theoretical sock leratokgang, for no particular reason

say, then, that the case is closed, but an ip editor with similar editing patterns pops up between the case's closure and archival. i'm not really good at this ip thing, so i'll just mash some buttons and say it's something like 197.185.143.81

in such an unlikely case, what should be done? should the case be manually reopened to have a look at the ip, should a new case be opened under that investigation's page, or is there another option i'm missing?

(jokes aside, i am a little iffy on outright assuming the ip's a sock, it could be something like a upe or cir pandemic, but you never know...) cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 12:53, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

nvm the ip got blocked for block evasion cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 13:35, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If the investigation is already closed, you should start a new report below. If you just add to a report that's already closed, it still shows up as closed in the list of cases, and is likely to be archived without anyone noticing that you added to it. But if it's very obvious then just contacting the clerk/admin who closed the report is probably a lot faster. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 13:43, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ah, thanks

while it is a relatively obvious case, there's also the chance that i missed like 5 more socks (again), so there's that too. guess it's off to checking what said socks have done to see if any more disruption is occurring, and deal with it accordingly. i really hope re-reporting someone with twinkle works for adding additional spi cases, because things might get really embarrassing if it doesn't cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 14:11, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I'd like to edit page Hyperlink, and I have found that it is semi-protected page and I can't edit it. What is right pprocedure to proceed with editing? MarsJson (talk) 13:28, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You have 12 edits and your account is almost a year old. I believe that you have the ability to edit it now. I assume when you wrote this, you didn't have autoconfirmed permissions yet, but you do now. Happy editing! Ali Beary _{(talk2me!) (stalk me?!)} 13:31, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much!

I believe number of edits is different for different segments (languages) of Wikipedia. I have much more edits for articles in my native language. MarsJson (talk) 16:22, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

so I'm trying to make a page for a soccer team that I play from named Susa Fc, and I would wanna know how to request it to be done by somebody else or how to do it myself Nb998003293 (talk) 13:47, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, @Nb998003293, and welcome to the teahouse, and to Wikipedia.

I have several answers, but they're probably not going to be answers that you like.

First, most sports teams round the world do not meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability, and articles about them are not possible. (If they are notable, somebody has probably already written an article - but there could be exceptions).

Secondly, if you want an article created, by far the most promising way to do this is to do it yourself. We are all volunteers, and work on what we choose: why should anybody put in the work on your pet project? (If anybody approaches you offering to do so for money, do not on any account take them up on their offer. They are almost certainly scammers - see WP:SCAM).

Thirdly, writing an article is a much more challenging task for a new editors than it appears. Editors who try it before they are ready often have a disappointing and frustrating experience. My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Wikipedia works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable, independent sources, and notability, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle), then you might be ready to read your first article carefully, and try creating a draft.

Fourthly, writing an article is even harder when you have a conflict of interest - not forbidden, and not impossible, but it is that much harder to recognise whether you are writing in a neutral way or not.

You should probably also look at an article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing.

All in all, I would advise you to forget about this idea. If you want to contribute to this wonderful collaborative project, find some subjects you are interested in, and start making little improvements to existing articles as you learn. But if your primary purpose is telling the world about your team (or "promoting it", as we call that), then please find somewhere other than Wikipedia to do it. ColinFine (talk) 14:13, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Everything @ColinFine said is completely correct. I am actually making my first article right now and it is really hard. Aside from having to work with my habit of writing fancruft, I am also on a school computer right now so sources are hard to find with the web filter in my way. It takes a lot of time to make a good article and I suggest hanging around for a few months improving other articles before you make your own. And again, remember three golden rules: WP:NPOV, WP:NOTABILITY, and WP:COI ApteryxRainWing🐉 | Roar with me!!! | My contributions 14:25, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hey Teahouse, I was looking over the article List of private contractor deaths in Afghanistan. The article currently just has everything as a bullet point. Would a table be helpful? I understand it would be a tedious task as there are over 100 names. Any feedback would be helpful. Example:

Thank you, CF-501 Falcon (talk) 15:46, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @CF-501 Falcon! Have a look at WP:WHENTABLE - it's suggesting that an important consideration is whether the information will be more clearly conveyed in a table as compared to a list, and also whether being able to sort the information would be useful.

It seems to me that the things people would be most likely to sort would be the deceased's nationality and the year of their death, both of which are already visible in the list's page. That being said, having the nationality info on the side looks a bit clunky and it looks as though it has to be manually updated each time a new death is recorded - that seems like it could easily run the risk of becoming out of sync with the list. My view is that a table would convey the information more clearly and would certainly make it easy to see any links between, for example, nationality and year of death. If you think so too, you could WP:BEBOLD and go for it or suggest it on the talk page to see if you get any other feedback there. Happy editing! :) StartGrammarTime (talk) 20:59, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I'm trying to add a Wikipedia page about the Hip-hop duo THOTTWAT, who was founded by A$AP Rocky. Do you know the results and can you teach me how to do that? Mr.Shadow514 (talk) 16:13, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. I can't see a draft in your edit history. Can you link to it? 331dot (talk) 16:15, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ok. I got it Thottwat. Mr.Shadow514 (talk) 16:27, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I can find no draft by that name. Have you clicked "publish changes" yet? 331dot (talk) 16:33, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think so. Mr.Shadow514 (talk) 18:32, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If you have typed up the draft, you need to click "publish changes" for it to be placed on Wikipedia's servers(even as a draft). 331dot (talk) 09:02, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I tried searching Help for an explanation. Can someone point me to it, and let me know how to find out on my own next time? Tagus (talk) 16:51, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome to the Teahouse, @Tagus. {{in process}} (you can read a little more here) creates this --->  In progress <--- You can search for most templates by typing Template:Name (replacing Name with the name of the template) in the search bar. TheWikiToby (talk) 16:57, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, now I know.Tagus (talk) 19:07, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As TheWikiToby might have explained, if you have the name of a template, such as Example, you only need to use dual curly brackets to use it. {{example}} Cooldudeseven7 _{join in on the tea talk} 17:56, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Cooldudeseven7: You may use the {{t}} template to make a nice presentation of a template invocation:
{{t|example}} → {{example}}. --CiaPan (talk) 08:56, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wow, {{thank}}s! Cooldudeseven7 _{join in on the tea talk} 12:28, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I just created an AfD that should be listed for the review of the LGBTQ+ wikiproject but I can't get the delsort codes to work. Anyone know the right string? Simonm223 (talk) 18:55, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Simonm223 Perhaps Sexuality and gender? ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · contribs · email · global) 23:48, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am looking for the names of each state's presidential electors for the 2024 election. I have noted that electors for some states are listed by Wikipedia, but some are not listed. Can you tell me if the names not listed will be listed. Thank you for your help with this issued. Barbara Burrell, professor emeritus, Nothern Illinois University. 174.106.9.22 (talk) 19:19, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Barbara. Since Wikipedia is entirely run and edited by volunteers who work on what they choose, there is nobody who has the task of ensuring that sort of consistency. So somebody might now choose to add them all in response to your question - or nobody might. If you have suitable sources for the information, you could even add the missing names. ColinFine (talk) 21:51, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of 2024 United States presidential electors will probably be complete at some time but we cannot be certain or say when. The page history [1] shows many additions.since 9 December. The latest is Minnesota 30 minutes ago. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:46, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I added a page Alfred Steiner (artist). There is another Alfred Steiner page Alfred Steiner page, a French weightlifter, so I added the "(artist)" to the page title since I could not find information on how to deal with it in the Help section and obviously thought that was how it was done. (1.) So now Alfred Steiner (artist) only shows up when that entire title "Alfred Steiner (artist)" is searched for, and does not show up when "Alfred Steiner" is searched for. (2.) I also think his descriptor should be (artist, lawyer). Could someone help me with these issues? And also point me to where to learn more about them? Thank you. Ogmany (talk) 19:27, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Disambiguation would be what you are looking for. A hat on the other article may be in order. Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 20:00, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ogmany: I have two commments. (1.) Something has gone wrong with the categories at Alfred Steiner (artist), I've failed to figure out what. (2). When you cite six sources for a statement, it suggests that something odd it going on. Why not just cite the one or two best sources? Maproom (talk) 23:47, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have done some category cleanup.[2] PrimeHunter (talk) 23:56, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for checking the categories for that post. It is not working for me either. Will try again soon. As to the six sources for a statement, I assume you are talking about the sources at the end the paragraph about the artists and arts advocacy groups getting together to write an amicus brief for the Supreme Court on artist's rights. It actually had a lot more press coverage and that is the good coverage. It is a landmark case and very interesting, covers new ground and is important to artists and I am sure the issue will evolve and is worth covering. I get your point though and will redistribute the sources throughout the paragraph instead of all at the end. Ogmany (talk) 22:17, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your feedback. It really brought what I was trying to get across about the subject into focus. I worked on that section, detailed its importance, which makes the multiple footnotes make more sense, and then added another innovative collaborative project that shows how as an artist/lawyer he integrates both fields. (Because I think he is a genuine polymath or multi-hyphenate professional, being innovative in both fields, much less being an activist in both.) On that note I think the page should be renamed Alfred Steiner (artist, lawyer) since he has made important and new contributions to both fields in both roles. I know I can change it to a new page with that title as per Help:How to move a page but wanted to check in if that is appropriate, and in this case believe it is, and the article demonstrates that now. Ogmany (talk) 02:17, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. I am working on it but as noted below, something odd going on. Ogmany (talk) 22:10, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I read Wikipedia:Disambiguation and decided a Hat on the other article was not what was needed. So I created an Alfred Steiner Disambiguation page listing the two Alfred Steiners which is in my sandbox. I just cannot figure out how to post it. Could you check that I have it right and direct me to where to find out how to post it because at this point I am not getting it. Ogmany (talk) 01:47, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

When writing an article about a video game, can a digital storefront (eg. Steam, GOG, Epic, PlayStation Store, etc.) be used as a source for basic information like release date, DLCs, the developer, etc.? If so, does it count as a primary or secondary source? The information about these games is uploaded by the developers directly and the store is just a sort of proxy for delivering that information, but these stores (usually) are unaffiliated with the developers so maybe it would count as a secondary source. ApteryxRainWing🐉 | Roar with me!!! | My contributions 20:25, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wait for reliable sources to cover. This will back the claim. Ahri Boy (talk) 00:09, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It would count as a primary source. The storefronts are selling the games, which inherently makes them affiliated (also as you said the devs upload the information, so it wouldn't be independent). Industrial Insect (talk) 15:34, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Teahouse, I've just encountered Template:Incomprehensible which when used displays: This article may be very hard to understand. That's usually because you, the reader, are a moron. Yes, you. Get a life. Please help clarify it.

This kind of seems like wording that would get people a sharp WP:NPA warning or block if aimed at a fellow editor, even though I'm sure it's meant in a humorous/teasing way. Am I overreacting? If not, where's the best place to propose changes? Village Pump? StartGrammarTime (talk) 21:32, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It was vandalised this morning. I have reverted it. Thank you for pointing it out, @StartGrammarTime. (Since it was an IP address which has made only this one edit, and was done from a mobile, I don't think there's any point giving a warning. The last time it happened was four years ago, so I don't think it needs protection either.) ColinFine (talk) 21:53, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@ColinFine Oh, I didn't think to check for vandalism - that was silly of me. Thank you very much! StartGrammarTime (talk) 22:18, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Shouldn't templates (being, by their very nature, multiplied to many pages) generally be (at least) semi-protected? 176.0.136.253 (talk) 21:36, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello! I'm the creator and main editor behind Draft:Plainrock124, this article has been submitted for creation by random users multiple times now, even though the article is still far from ready. What preventative measures can I do to prevent this from happening? I still want other editors to pitch in and help me work on this article, however the submitting is honestly getting on my nerves. TansoShoshen (talk) 21:44, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

An interesting predicament, TansoShoshen. Perhaps have the draft moved, without a redirect, to "User:TansoShosen/[string]". (The string might be "Turnips", or whatever you think wouldn't attract attention.) Look through it and alter any occurrence of the two consecutive hyphens, e.g. by putting "@" between each pair. Put <!-- at the very start and --> at the very end. When you want to edit, simply remove the "!", edit, preview, restore the "!" and save. When the draft is ready, remove what's at the very start and end, and reconstruct any two-hyphen string. NB (i) You can't (I think) move something without creating a redirect; if indeed you can't, ask an admin to do it for you. (ii) The fact that you're editing will still be apparent, via your list of "contributions". (iii) There's probably a simpler/better method, but if so it eludes me as right now I'm caffeine-deprived. (iv) If my suggestion is adopted, perhaps we'd better tear this thread into strips and flush them down a convenient receptacle. -- Hoary (talk) 02:28, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That’s a hidden note that informs editors to not edit something. Sparkbean (talk) 02:44, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi TansoShoshen. One of the things about Wikipedia is that pretty much anyone can edit any page at anytime. Another thing about Wikipedia is that whenever someone clicks on "Publish changes", they're releasing whatever they created under a free license that allows anyone anywhere in the world to build upon or modify at anytime (as long as they do so in accordance with the terms of the license). These things tend to work OK most of the time when it comes to articles because nobody really WP:OWNs an article per se, but they also apply to pages in other namespaces as well (like the draft namespace and the user namespace) where creators often do feel they "own" their work in a sense. WP:DRAFTS aren't really owned by one person per se and they can, in principle, be worked on or even submitted by others when they think they're ready for article status, but many users will leave them alone as a courtesy unless asked for help by their creators or to address some serious violation of a major Wikipedia policy. WP:USD aren't really too different from drafts in the draft namespace, but because they located in the user namespace they tend to be even left more alone absent any serious policy violations that need addressing. So, moving the draft to a userspace draft as suggested above might allow you to work on it at your own pace, but at the same time, if the draft is ready for the article namespace, you might just want to move it their yourself or submit it for an AfC review. Articles don't need to be perfect and it's completely OK to work on them after they become articles; moreover, once it's in the mainspace, it's likely going to be edited by others (you can't stop them from doing so). So, the same thing pretty much applies to drafts as well. -- Marchjuly (talk) 03:01, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Could it be made simply that the button "submit to review" (as opposed to the button "publish") in a page in user namespace (as opposed to draftspace) only works when the user of the namespace is logged in. 176.0.136.253 (talk) 21:47, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

মোঃ শিবরুল আলম (talk) 23:38, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipwedia is explicitly not social media or a place to write about yourself. It astounds me that there are still people who claim to be marketing and SEO experts but they don't know this. Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 23:45, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ironic, maybe. Not astounding. Maproom (talk) 23:51, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Last night there were 9 edits done to Integrated Aqua-Vegeculture System and I have looked at each of the edits and a very large section of text has been removed and most of the reasons do not seem valid.

Is anyone available to have a look into this and determine if it should be reported as vandaism?

I have started a topic on the talk page for each edit but I want to do all I can to avoid an edit war.

Thank You Wiki142B (talk) 02:14, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wiki142B, Drmies made a number of edits. Choose what you consider the single most egregious instance, and let's consider whether it's vandalism. (Meanwhile, what's on the talk page is, however well-intentioned, unnecessarily bulky. Please cite diffs and comment on these.) -- Hoary (talk) 02:40, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wiki142B, Drmies has been an extremely active Wikipedia editor for over 17 years, and the reasons for these edits are clearly stated in their edit summaries. It appears that you have been adding material not usually considered to be appropriate to Wikipedia: please read WP:What Wikipedia is not, with particular attention to Sections 2.6. and 2.7. Removing such material is the very opposite of WP:Vandalism.

I notice that, since creating your User acount in May 2024, you appear to have have only edited this article and one other on a closely related topic. It may be that you merely have an intellectual curiosity about the general subject, but can you confirm that you do not have a WP:Conflict of interest that should be disclosed? {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.1.223.204 (talk) 03:01, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have seen the extensive history and that. is why I decided to ask for more advice.

You said the reasons are clearly stated but, as one small example, this was removed;

Fish tanks

Fish are raised in tanks, producing nutrient-rich water.

From the subsection which describes the system components. The reason for the removal was listed as "not a manual". I fail to see how a description of the fish tank is anything like a manual. I would understand if it explained how to build a fish tank, or the size or materials needed etc.

I am new to the editing of wikipedia and I was given the advice that I should follow the template/structure of similar wikipedia pages, and the two pages I used as a guide both have subsections specifically describing the "system components."

Wiki142B (talk) 03:17, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is the diff. I wonder who'd want such information, and whether even they would need to be told of a need for "a sealed containment structure designed to house the fish and to prevent the leakage of water" rather than, say, "a tank"? That whole section, deleted by Drmies, did indeed look to me like something downloadable from a corporate website. ¶ Here's something strange that survives Drmies's valiant efforts: "Establishing standardized terminology for describing aquaponic systems, including iAVs, will facilitate clearer communication, promote scientific progress, and enhance public understanding and support for these agricultural technologies." It's odd for a Wikipedia article to make such predictions. Still, there's a reference for the claim. Yet the reference points to an unsigned piece at iavs.info. -- Hoary (talk) 04:48, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In time, I would have come back and improved upon it, as I have mentioned in the talk page, general page improvements are a top priority for me and I made it publicly known that "I am reaching out to communicate my current objective of enhancing the organization, structure, clarity, and flow of this entire page" and so, instead of deleting the entire line, why not simply correct it to say "fish tank". If parts of it seem like it came from a corporate website, the correct decision would be to rewrite it, or mention it in the talk page, rather than deleting it entirely.

You say you think it is "strange" for it to say Establishing standardized terminology for describing aquaponic systems, including iAVs, will facilitate clearer communication, promote scientific progress, and enhance public understanding and support for these agricultural technologies., but, I feel that, not only is it not strange at all, but it should be obvious. It is also the direct subject of a paper https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/raq.12847 which I paraphrased from because it does not have appropriate copyright status.

The source I used is from the inventor's website, it is non-commercial, and the authors credentials can be easily found on researchgate.

• WP:ACM states "Consider what a sentence or paragraph tries to say. If you can, clarify it instead of throwing it away. If the wayward material seems mis-categorized or out of place but still useful in some other context, consider either moving it to another page where it does belong, creating a new page where it would be warranted, or moving it to the article's talk page (which can be accessed by clicking the Talk tab) for discussion. Consider trying to find a reliable source for unreferenced content."
• WP:SOURCEDEF states A source is where the material comes from. For example, a source could be a book or a webpage. Reliable sources may be published materials with a reliable publication process, authors who are regarded as authoritative in relation to the subject, or both. These qualifications should be demonstrable to other people. The reliability of a source depends on context. Each source must be carefully weighed to judge whether it is reliable for the statement being made in the Wikipedia article and is an appropriate source for that content. Although the content guidelines for external links prohibit linking to "Individual web pages that primarily exist to sell products or services", inline citations may be allowed to e-commerce pages such as that of a book on a bookseller's page or an album on its streaming-music page, in order to verify such things as titles and running times. Journalistic and academic sources are preferable, however, and e-commerce links should be replaced with reliable non-commercial sources if available.

Wiki142B (talk) 05:24, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This paper ("Aquaponics nomenclature matters: It is about principles and technologies and not as much about coupling") is voluminous. I don't pretend to have read it. I think it's strange for the Wikipedia article to say that such and such "will facilitate" X, Y and Z, given that the likeliest interpretation of this is as a confident statement about the future. For discussants to agree on terminology ought indeed to facilitate the discussants', and others', communication; but to me it doesn't seem at all obvious that such agreement will also "promote scientific progress, and enhance public understanding and support for these agricultural technologies". (Remove likely obstacles from these, yes; but enhance them?) Still, if you say that the authors of this (conveniently open-access) paper do so prognosticate, then I suppose that the paper constitutes a "reliable source" for the claim, at least until some other academic paper argues persuasively against it. -- Hoary (talk) 08:53, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I can confirm there is no conflict of interest. I am writing a thesis on the history of aquaponics and have a very strong interest in the subject. Wiki142B (talk) 03:26, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wiki142B, hey, to speak informally for a moment, it's possible that even without overt conflict of interest, you may be just a little... too much of a fan of the topic. (See WP:Neutral point of view; we usually try to take the perspective of an uninterested third party collecting verifiable information of general interest to the public.) Remember that Wikipedia is not a manual, guidebook, textbook, or scientific journal, and more generally is not an indiscriminate collection of information. For example, you had at one point a directory of over a dozen academics involved in the iAVS Research Group, and that's the kind of detail for which, in the context of an encyclopedia, perhaps less is more. To be blunt, I'm not sure readers need that. We're accustomed to seeing such breathless enthusiastic detail in articles written for promotional purposes (about a company or product), so please excuse our cynicism. It is also possible to be promotional without having a commercial interest, and sourcing directly from the inventor's website probably goes there.

In general, as ColinFine above has repeated several times in answers to others, writing a whole new article from nothing is difficult, and it's easy to get things wrong. What belongs in an article is perhaps a subtle thing. Working on existing articles while getting to know the core content policies may be useful. — Anon423 (talk) 05:35, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I appreciate your thoughts on this matter. I want to assure you that I have refrained from making any additional edits and have not undone any changes, as I have been following the guidelines and taken the time to seek assistance/advice here. I have not edited the page since September and my last edits were actually reverting things that I had done, I think this speaks for itself in terms of my acceptance of a possible COI. I believe this approach helps mitigate any potential concerns regarding COI. I have also made sure to voice my concerns on the talk page to avoid any editing conflicts. I aim to adhere to Wikipedia's policies. While I understand that this is an informal discussion meant to be helpful, I would greatly appreciate your feedback on the content of the article itself, for example, in a previous comment I mentioned that the original description of the fish tank was overly and un-necesarily complicated, but, as I asked previously, why was that deleted entirely instead of being corrected/simplified - as per the wikipedia guidelines I quoted. Thank you for your understanding, and I hope my request is taken in the spirit of collaboration. Wiki142B (talk) 06:35, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wiki142B, there in no vandalism involved. Please read WP:VANDAL before making such accusations. (In my view, Drmies's trimming of the article did not go quite far enough. If the "Terminology" section were confined to defining terms, it would be acceptable; but much of it strays too far from the subject of the article.) Maproom (talk) 08:38, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am going to make an article about a lake in Manitoba, Canada, so I am testing in my sandbox. I would publish it as an article, but it is going to have multiple issues. One is that the article is going to be short and two is that it needs additional citations. So what are some articles issue templates that I can add to an article or add to a multiple issue message? NicePrettyFlower (talk) 03:57, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

1. For more sources needed: {{More citations}}

2. For article is short:

This section needs expansion. You can help by adding to it.

in necessary sections.

Hope this helps @NicePrettyFlower and belated welcome to Wikipedia! TheTechie@enwiki (she/they | talk) 04:13, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

NicePrettyFlower, if even you, the creator, realize that it would be too short and need additional citations, then don't publish it as an article until it is no longer too short and no longer is need of additional citations. -- Hoary (talk) 04:19, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Are we talking about "needs additional citations" because they don't exist, or because you can't get your hands on them, or need to figure out how to do inline citations?

Keep in mind the general notability guideline: if you cannot find enough sourcing, it's probably too obscure and doesn't belong on Wikipedia. If you would like help accessing particular items, you may wish to try the WP:Library and WP:resource request, and if you need help creating inline citations, there's the Help:Citation, and/or please ask here. Belatedly, welcome to Wikipedia. — Anon423 (talk) 04:40, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I was going to add that after I returned from AFK. Thanks @Anon423. TheTechie@enwiki (she/they | talk) 04:41, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I recently went through the current version of the Wikipedia article on Autism , and I found that this article is NOT representing the reality or encyclopedic wholeness. The huge, verbose, highly technical article is biased towards medical model of disability, medical genetics, and nearly zero information regarding the anthropology, evolution, neurodiversity, accommodation, accessibility, Augmentative and alternative communications, and all that actually helps wellbeing of Autistic people. The page boldly focuses on controversial methods such as ABA, such as EIBI (Early intensive behavioral interventions), DTT (discrete trial training) etc. without any mention of the concerns or criticisms against them. I entered the talk page, but it has been turned literally into a warzone, where any dissenting viewpoint is being silenced in name of "global and unanimous scientific consensus" which is simply wrong. It is mostly a view held by biomedical and pharmaceutical majority. But outside of that, opposing viewpoints do exist in actual Autistic populations (who have the lived experience), anthropology, sociology, psychology, etc. I added an "unbalanced" tag for reader information (I did not speak for complete erasure of controversial viewpoints, just needed the reader to know that there are other views), however the "unbalanced" tag was soon reverted.

It is not possible for me to daily attend and post arguments and counter-arguments. I have to acknowledge that, if this kind of silencing continues, this time Wikipedia literally failed as an encyclopedia, as well it failed at public health and education welfare perspective.

I feel like this needs editors' attention. Autism is NOT a well-understood condition by majority, Lived experience play the ultimate role on how a person feel about their life situation, and Nothing about us without us is an important ethics rule in disability cultures.

RIT RAJARSHI (talk) 05:54, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Myself and many other autistic editors have attempted to improve the article before and met the same difficulties. I agree that it is painful to read, and your concerns are very valid. I began to write a satirical alliance article to help showcase the issues in the autism article and show how medical language can create negative bias in my sandbox.

Because of the difficulty I faced with the autism article, I have moved to focusing on smaller articles related to autism such as double empathy problem and special interest (autism). -- NotCharizard ^🗨 07:41, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RIT RAJARSHI, Wikipedia is a volunteer project. If you feel the article is lacking, then you have the ability to improve it by adding material on anthropology, evolution, neurodiversity, accommodation, accessibility and the other things you mentioned. Just be sure to add inline citations as you go to reliable sources that reflect the majority and top minority viewpoints on the subtopics you are writing about, and respond to any disagreements by other editors by working it out on the Talk page to find a consensus that works. Please understand that basing the article on published sources is not negotiable, and while your first-person accounts might be helpful on the Talk page as deep background, they cannot be used in the article, unless your views have been written up and published by an source. If you have some sources on the anthropology of autism, for example, you can just WP:BE BOLD and add content to the article based on them. This might help:

Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL

If you haven't had success using that approach in the past, then just list some sources here that you think could be used to expand the article in ways you would find productive, and maybe someone else will pick up the baton, and carry on. Hope this helps, Mathglot (talk) 09:25, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Notcharizard: @Mathglot: Thank you so much for your views. I am thinking if I should create another article on Autism from other perspectives, as the current page is very strictly monitored, and has already structured in certain way that I feel difficult to change by some small edits. PS. I have TONs of references, although mostly from a social science perspective. I want to write their summaries which can be used by other users to improve the articles. I will be taking lot of time as I am extremely busy in my personal and professional life. RIT RAJARSHI (talk) 10:29, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello @RIT RAJARSHI

It's not possible to create an already existing articles but like it was suggested , feel free to make changes where you feel there is need for one. If the article is protected that you can't edit ,you can make some of these suggestions on the talk page Tesleemah (talk) 10:32, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Notcharizard: @Mathglot: @Tesleemah: I have access to edit button on that article but I am afraid somebody will erase my edits or may revert them. The article is already verbose. My time is precious. Is there a way I can state my article reviews that won't be erased by somebody? Can I store writings in sandbox for infinite period? Is the sandbox public access? And it looks even if I add non-conforming views to the main article, they might not allow to express those views. The talk page is warzone and they removed my "unbalanced" tag RIT RAJARSHI (talk) 10:39, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How about you add the things you want to change in your sandbox and share with an experienced editor who can review if its ok to merge with the main article. Because ,in all this you have to be sure you are adding neutral and verifiable information. Afterward you can reach out to any editor edit warring with you.

I feel this is a little bit complex and you need to weigh if it all worth your time . I will leave this to other editors to give you better advise going forward. Tesleemah (talk) 10:56, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Tesleemah Thank you for your kind insights. RIT RAJARSHI (talk) 11:06, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Tesleemah Are there experienced editors who want to look after the matter? RIT RAJARSHI (talk) 11:07, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

how do I collaborate with them? RIT RAJARSHI (talk) 11:08, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@RIT RAJARSHI: Just for reference, your comment I have access to edit button on that article but I am afraid somebody will erase my edits or may revert them. could happen on any Wikipedia article regardless of the subject matter. Wikipedia's wants us to be WP:BOLD when improving articles, but it also wants us to understand that others can be just as bold in undoing the edits we make. When that happens, the best thing to do (absent any type of serous policy violation) is to follow Wikipedia:Dispute resolution and try to resolve any disagreements over article content through article talk page discussion. Before being bold, though, you probably want to take a close look at Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources (medicine) and Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Medicine-related articles because medicine related articles tend to be more highly scrutinized than perhaps articles about some others subjects are. You might also want to take a look at Wikipedia:Medical disclaimer and Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not for general reference. If being bold is not your style, you could be WP:CAUTIOUS and seek feedback from the various WikiProjects listed at the top of Talk:Autism and also check the article's talk page archives to see whether your concerns have been raised before by someone else. -- Marchjuly (talk) 11:09, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Marchjuly Thank you for the useful resources and concerns. RIT RAJARSHI (talk) 11:11, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Marchjuly Similar concerns were raised, and at present such difficult conversation is going on in the article's talk page. RIT RAJARSHI (talk) 11:13, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Notcharizard There is actually a research paper that shows us that neurotypicality can also be framed as a disease. Brownlow, C. (2010). Re-presenting autism: The construction of ‘NT syndrome’. Journal of Medical Humanities, 31(3), 243-255. doi: 10.1007/s10912-010-9114-4   https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10912-010-9114-4 RIT RAJARSHI (talk) 10:49, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• The fundamental problem is that autism is a vast subject and the "world view" of autism is undergoing rapid change. Viewpoints from five years ago already look unprofessional and outdated today. In fact there isn't really a "world" view because the state of autism-understanding varies hugely between countries. As a result, written sources about autism range from well-thought, up-to-date, caring and balanced, to utterly outmoded and inappropriate, verging on discriminatory and offensive. Unfortunately Wikipedia is an encyclopedia whose role is to give a balanced overview of all current thinking, even if some of the current thinkers are Utterly Wrong. We are not here to promote best practice or best understanding. We're here to describe the current situation (and the history that led up to it), even if the current situation isn't right, and even if the history is in places despicable. As someone personally affected by autism in loved-ones, I cannot bring myself to edit on the subject at Wikipedia, because it is fundamentally too hurtful to me. I have to trust that the situation will improve, sources will improve, and other, tougher editors will edit the autism articles to reflect the improved situation, as it improves. I'm sure I'm not alone in my feelings. Elemimele (talk) 11:45, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  @Elemimele Thanks; I would be happy if the editors accept the vastness or broadness of this topic than to force a reductionist strictly biomedical approach. Because the more subjective or philosophical journal resources will not qualify as "hard science", but still have lot of humanitarian values. RIT RAJARSHI (talk) 12:21, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  @Elemimele You may think the situation in this way. Everyone is using video calls using a smartphone, and you are using a walkie talkie. Now yes you do face communication barrier, but more information on how a video display works, would not help you to translate the images into alt text.

  Similarly, more and more information on brain circuitry or genes does not help dissolve the barrier.

  But learning about lived social experiences do help.

  Another example; think you are a trained classical musician who can detect microtonal differences instantly. Now you have been thrown into a factory where people breaking down metal sheets with hammer and you feel like damn blown. Now everyone points out at you as the problematic one. Or think you are a more sensitive clinical mercury thermometer and other people are thermometers used in a water bath or hot air oven. And you are pointed as the 'defective' one.

  It takes 2 to make a communication. We spend hours to teach neurotypical communication to Autistics. Why not spend that time teaching the neurotypical society about Autistic communication? RIT RAJARSHI (talk) 12:32, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  It's not our job to teach people what to do, it is our job to teach what other people have already said. Industrial Insect (talk) 15:28, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  @Industrial Insect Thank you. I leave the matter. RIT RAJARSHI (talk) 15:33, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am not sure if this is the right place to ask, but 8 months ago, a popular streamer and internet personality, Caseoh had a page. However, it was removed after an extensive argument due to him not meeting Wikipedia's notability standards for streamers and internet personalities. However, he recently won Content Creator of the Year at the 2024 Game of The Year Awards, and he has been officially recognised and endorsed by Microsoft and Mojang to do official streams for Minecraft and Xbox content. Is he eligible for a page now, or does he still not meet Wikipedia's guidelines for notable internet personalities?

CaseOh and Quackity collab to promote Minecraft Pale Garden update

CaseOh shocked after winning Game Awards creator of the year - Dexerto Edelgardvonhresvelg (talk) 05:58, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Edelgardvonhresvelg if you believe there are sufficient sources to satisfy the notability guidelines, feel free to create a draft and submit it through Articles for Creation. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 06:02, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@CanonNi Note that a draft already exists at DRAFT:CaseOh, and anyone can make WP:BLP-good edits to that and submit when ready. The last afd from last month is at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/CaseOh (streamer). Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:47, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Edelgardvonhresvelg, my advice (worth its weight in diamonds), if you want to spend time on this, is to keep working on the existing Draft:CaseOh until you think it's good enough and then submit it for review again. Remove all non-WP:BLP-good crap, if that makes the article short, so be it. Your task is to show WP:GNG is met, anything else is a distraction. Consider WP:NYOUTUBE and read the previous afd:s listed at Draft talk:CaseOh. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:24, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, @Edelgardvonhresvelg, and welcome to the Teahouse. A word of caution about your title "Can CaseOh have his page back now". This is a common way of talking about encyclopaedia articles, but it is one to be carfeul about, especially if you are intending to work on that article.

That title implies that he somehow "deserves" an article. Since no article about him will ever elong to him, and as far as Wikipedia is concerned no article will ever be for his benefit (though of course he may get incidental benefit from one being written), it doesn't make sense to think if him "deserving" an article. Furthermore, if it happened that some reliable source reported something really unsavoury connected with him (this is hypothetical, I'm not suggesting that is the case) then a Wikipedia article about him should reflect that, though he might prefer that it didn't. ColinFine (talk) 14:56, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I wrote the title under the tense of him meeting Wikipedia's notability standards or not. I think that his page was originally removed back in April due to not meeting Wikipedia standards for notable internet celebrities. However, he is now an officially recognised creator for Minecraft and Xbox content, and he won a Game of The Year Award. I know that that the Caseoh article will not be a puff piece or written from a biased perspective. Since so many YouTuber, celebrity, and influencer articles suffer from it. I might work on the Caseoh draft, but I have other plans such as updating the de-extinction page on Spanish Wikipedia, because it is HORRIBLY outdated and seems to be written from the perspective of a Jurassic Park fanboy given all of the sections and allusions to Jack Horner, Chickenosaurus, and the Jurassic Park movies. Edelgardvonhresvelg (talk) 19:40, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am planning to write an article about an economist who has published multiple papers, works at a university, has received multiple awards, has presented his work at very famous places, and his work has been referenced in mainstream news articles. Is this man notable enough for an article? I feel like he would be, but I'd rather ask before dedicating a bunch of time to this and then it being rejected. CrownRecruit (talk) 06:33, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@CrownRecruit yeah, someone like that sounds notable. I suggest you create a draft and submit it through AFC. That way, you can still work on the draft even if it is declined. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 06:39, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@CrownRecruit If you wish, you could list sources, the awards, and the references here or in your draft as CanonNi suggests—the draft talk page may be a decent place to collect your thoughts before draft submission or asking for help again. There's also the specific notability guideline for scholars, Wikipedia:Notability (academics), and of course the General notability guideline. You might also find helpful editors with more subject-specific experience at a place like WikiProject Economics or on economics articles that have recently seen attention.

In general though, I suggest you may wish to take it slow as a new editor instead of pushing into writing a whole new article. Breaking a rule and seeing your hard work reverted or sent back can be painful. Writing a complete new article from scratch is difficult, both in technical respects and because of various policies, especially for Biographies of living persons. As ColinFine says, consider first improving several existing articles. Once you understand core policies such as verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable, independent sources, and notability and see how we handle disagreements with other editors (the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle), then perhaps read your first article carefully and try creating a draft (through AFC as suggested above). — Anon423 (talk) 07:13, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia's image scanning bot doesn't let me upload an image of the nodes of Ranvier that I created personally in BioRender. How do I get past this? It says it can not determine whether or not it's copyright material. I guess I'll take it as a kudos to my graphic design skills? Mgcaptainzanko (talk) 07:52, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Mgcaptainzanko: you triggered an automated filter. It is based on simple rules (a new user trying to upload a small resolution image) and can't make any complicated copyright decisions. Try to upload the file directly in commons:Upload Wizard. MKFI (talk) 09:02, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks a bunch! I just uploaded my first image!! Great to see what I created and threw in an old research paper to be forgotten forever being used. Mgcaptainzanko (talk) 05:43, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hey -

On the page Tornadoes of 1998 in the Events section, there is an infobox, which is a map of tornado outbreaks, aligned to the right side of the screen which I'm not really sure how to deal with. It looks pretty awkward with all the empty space on the left side of the screen, so I was thinking aligning it to the left would make it look better. I couldn't find an easy way to do this, besides perhaps editing the CSS, which I know nothing about. What should be the best way to go about this?

This probably wasn't the best use of an infobox either. Is there a template that I can swap it to with (hopefully) minimal effort?

Thanks. --EatingCarBatteries _{(contributions, talk)} 08:22, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

EatingCarBatteries, I am using a 15-inch laptop, and the map (in the Synopsis section, not Events) looks fine to me. I think it would be worse on the left. If you are seeing a particular problem on your device, can you describe it or provide a screenshot? Mathglot (talk) 09:13, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It looks like this for me. It looked like this both on a 1600x900 monitor and on an old Chromebook I have (not sure of dimensions)

--EatingCarBatteries _{(contributions, talk)} 20:31, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

EatingCarBatteries, thank you for that. Now I can certainly see what your objection is. For me, it looks different, with the map image on the right opposite the Synopsis and Events sections on the left, with the text in those two sections occupying almost exactly half of my available article width in the browser (which is to say, excluding the tools sidebar to the left), and with the map image occupying the other half of available width.

This appears to be a question that may involve technical details of different Wikipedia skins, browsers, and screen resolution, which means it is well beyond the scope of the Teahouse. May I suggest that you start a new section at WP:VPT, which is the right place to discuss this type of question, and summarize your question there? Please link this Teahouse discussion from VPT; you may use template {{Discussion moved from}} at VPT at the top of the section if you wish. Likewise, you can link to the VPT discussion below, using {{Discussion moved to}}. Good luck! Mathglot (talk) 20:47, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, thank you! --EatingCarBatteries _{(contributions, talk)} 21:04, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I was fond of that website in the early pandemic days.

I recently realised it didn't have an wikipedia article, did a quick search and found articles from Vice and The verge (and a few other less notable sites) discussing it, so I went ahead and started working on a draft. But after reading the notability guidelines at WP:AFC I am having doubts. Squeezdakat (talk) 10:20, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'd say go ahead and submit it (Or even just move it yourself, though I'd lowercase the title of you do). It's borderline but I'd give it a better than 50% chance at first glance. Alpha3031 (t • c) 10:52, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I intend to work on it a bit and then submit it. Squeezdakat (talk) 11:01, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello,

I need help in writing my first article. Florescaroline94 (talk) 10:40, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. What help is it that you are seeking? 331dot (talk) 10:44, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Are these sites acceptable in citations for a company page- forum, we-awards, clutch, and hubspot. Florescaroline94 (talk) 11:08, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Florescaroline94 The first and the fourth certainly are not because one is a forum where (as far as I can tell) anyone can write anything they like and the last is a blog, again without the editorial oversight we like in reliable sources. There is a specific noticeboard where you can ask about marginal sources at WP:RSN. If you intend to draft an article for a company that doesn't already have a page on Wikipedia, your main task will be to show it is wikinotable using sources that meet our golden rules. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:36, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am making an article Draft:Nikolaos Stamatonikolos and i don't know how to add his medals. one silver and one bronze so if anyone can help, it would be thankful

Note i am using the VisualEditor. 1timeuse75 (talk) 12:13, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have often encountered deceptive claims from military sources, which are equally often repeated in otherwise reliable news sources. The specific claim itself might just be accurate, if you are prepared to squint at the details. I have already searched for the correct guidelines here (MOS etc), and failed. It's not quite WP:PUFFERY - so where will I find the best description of this phenomenon?

Specifics; U.S. Naval Base Subic Bay

The base was 262 square miles (680 km2), about the size of Singapore.

This is allegedly supported by an article in The New York Times, but access requires an account. However, I am prepared to accept it as a correct quote, so that isn't the issue. The problem is that Singapore is a land mass, whereas Subic Bay is a vast area of sea water. The actual land mass of the Naval Base itself is probably only a fraction of that figure, in the same way that 80% of the area of San Francisco is the bay itself. Even for a Naval base, including the water area is disingenuous (unless you compare it to another similar area, not a land mass like Singapore).

WendlingCrusader (talk) 13:55, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I respectfully disagree. Firstly, the comparison is illustrating the size of an area, irrespective of what it is made of (land, water, mudflats, whatever), and people find it easier to relate to an area of land than to an expanse of water. Secondly, the water area of a naval base is very much relevant to its function and potential importance. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.1.223.204 (talk) 18:24, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm thinking of other large bases like Pearl Harbor, Fort Irwin, Camp Pendleton. There is a small amount of acreage that is built out structures. But the entirety of area they are tasked to control is much larger. Because normal status = empty for most of the time should not disqualify it for counting toward the size of the named location. We don't list states/countries by area of developed space. Otherwise. Alaska would be a tiny state. Roughly 150-160K out of 360+million acres is developed. Alegh (talk) 19:25, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It is good to have any response, but you are not always comparing like-for-like. Fort Irwin NTC is a major training area - the clue is in the first line, although in common use they might label the entire area part of the 'base', all the way up until somebody turns up and asks for directions to 'the base'. At that point they will be shown the small area that is actually Fort Irwin. The aerial image in that article shows it perfectly.

The comparison against Pearl Harbor is much more valid, providing the US Navy has exclusive control of the waters in Subic Bay. Is that the case? I suspect not, because Subic Bay includes several substantial settlements such as Subic, Olongapo City, and Morong.

Then we come to Naval Base San Diego, the world's second largest surface ship naval base. The base is composed of 13 piers stretched over 1,600 acres (650 ha) of land and 326 acres (132 ha) of water. Or approximately 1% of the area of Singapore. One per cent! That is a colossal gap between the exaggerated claim for Subic Bay, and the honesty of San Diego. How can you possibly be comfortable with that?

As for developed areas and Alaska; that's a complete red herring. My argument would be that we don't list the area of Alaska as including 12 miles of territorial waters. And that is what I believe Subic Bay is guilty of.

WendlingCrusader (talk) 01:11, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello,

I submitted an article that was declined. The reasons were:

- This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources. Reliable sources are required so that information can be verified. If you need help with referencing, please see Referencing for beginners and Citing sources. - This submission reads more like an essay than an encyclopedia article. Submissions should summarise information in secondary, reliable sources and not contain opinions or original research. Please write about the topic from a neutral point of view in an encyclopedic manner.

I'm supposing I can address the first one by greater use of footnotes linking to the source articles in well known media sources. I could use some help with he second point though. I understand it and don't disagree but also not sure I'm objective enough to my own writing (in this instance at least) to make the necessary edits. Are there any Wikipedia "player-coaches" out there available and willing to help? SBmeier (talk) 13:55, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, @SBmeier, and welcome to the Teahouse. I think the first problem is that you have written your draft backwards.

An article on "Guardrails of Democracy" should be a summary of what reliable sources have written about the specific phrase "Guardrails of Democracy", and very little else.

You haven't told us even who originated the phrase, let alone what they or others have said about it. You mention six books (I presuem, since you don't actually give us a bibliographic citation for "Miles 1973" or "Boller & George 1998"). What do those books say about "Guardrails of Democracy", specifically? If they don't mention it, what are they doing as references to this article?

It is this that makes your draft read like an essay: I certainly get the sense that you are developing an idea. This might be very valuable but it is not what a Wikipedia article should do. No Wikipedia should ever advance a theory, an argument, or a conclusion, unless it is summarising what is presented in a single reliable source. ColinFine (talk) 15:49, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Colin, thanks for the feedback. I'll need to ponder how or if I can address that satisfactorily. As for the idea itself, I think it is more accurate to say that my thinking was taking shape and then I found that the concept was already in the public domain and slowly getting traction (as far as I can deduce). SBmeier (talk) 15:59, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Courtesy link: Draft:Guardrails of Democracy

I have been expressing my concerns to the current status and form of Wikipedia page on Autism, so I kept some feedback in the talk page. I also added an unbalanced template which was later removed. I discussed my concerns about that too. But an user with a Russian-looking alphabet or Cyrillic alphabet is directly calling by my name in section title as well as within article, and also adding "et al" after my name ( Talk:Autism#c-Димитрий Улянов Иванов-20241213132400-Autism as a Neurodevelopmental Disorder - Response to RIT RAJARSHI et al.) I perceive this as a personal attack and a lack of good faith. I am requesting more experienced editors to look at the matter. RIT RAJARSHI (talk) 14:01, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@RIT RAJARSHI: "et al" means "and others", and is not a personal attack. It's not necessary to name the people to whom one is replying, in a section heading, but neither is that a personal attack. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:18, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for explaining. I know 'et al' means colleagues but I was expressing individual opinion. RIT RAJARSHI (talk) 14:47, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Pigsonthewing I know 'et al' means colleagues or coworkers but I expressed individual opinion. RIT RAJARSHI (talk) 14:48, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The section begins with mentioning contributions by you and by another editor. It seems perfectly reasonable to me to summarise that as "RR et al". ColinFine (talk) 15:51, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@ColinFine Thank you. I have apologised for miscommunication and I have quit the topic. Thank you. RIT RAJARSHI (talk) 15:58, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I know I've already asked about my userpage before but I've done a lot of work on it since then. Does my userpage go a bit overboard, especially with the inline links? I joined the welcoming committee and I am expecting at least a few new users to come to my userpage from my signature on my welcome messages so I tried to leave a lot of inline links for them to click on and get a feel for the scope of the encyclopedia. ApteryxRainWing🐉 | Roar with me!!! | My contributions 15:13, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@User:ApteryxRainWing Compared to User:EEng (takes awhile to load, and I don't recommend it as a role model), or myself, for that matter, I find your page quite respectable. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:24, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I feel I do the most good by being a warning lesson parents can point out to their children. EEng 15:45, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

if i learned one thing from you, it's that puns are the scourge of all things good cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 16:34, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No, no, they've got a point. The reason we exist on this world is to get as many rules added to the book as possible. No one ever told me I couldn't add an inline link containing some sarcastic joke for every single word on my userpage, but I'm sure they wouldn't like it if I did so why don't we make it official? ApteryxRainWing🐉 | Roar with me!!! | My contributions 16:37, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

oh my that isn't a userpage that's a whole-ass userbook. I guess mine is better than I thought ApteryxRainWing🐉 | Roar with me!!! | My contributions 15:26, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

406,519 bytes, that's a lot. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:37, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

To put it into context, the largest article on Wikipedia has 975,504 bytes. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 15:59, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wow, we have an article that's almost an entire gigabyte? Does it just have a lot of text or are images, GIFs, code spaghetti, and videos taking up some of that space? ApteryxRainWing🐉 | Roar with me!!! | My contributions 16:04, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@User:ApteryxRainWing That's not a Gigabyte, only just below a Megabyte. The whole encycopedia can be downloaded at about 24 GB. See WP:SIZEWP. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:24, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

oh yeah sorry I forgot the ratios. I'm surprised Wikipedia is only 24 gigs, I thought 6 million articles would be closer to a terabyte ApteryxRainWing🐉 | Roar with me!!! | My contributions 16:25, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As of February 2013, the XML file containing current pages only, no user or talk pages, was 42,987,293,445 bytes uncompressed (43 GB). The XML file with current pages, including user and talk pages, was 93,754,003,797 bytes uncompressed (94 GB). The full history dumps, all 174 files of them, took 10,005,676,791,734 bytes (10 TB).

As of August 2023, Wikimedia Commons, which includes the images, videos and other media used across all the language-specific Wikipedias contained 96,519,778 files, totalling 470,991,810,222,099 bytes (428.36 TB). CommissarDoggo^Talk? 16:28, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting, per [3] that article has 2 words. And 1,541 unique references. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:12, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Looks great, especially the storm chaser part. :) E_F⁵ 15:26, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

what can I say, I just have zero sense of self preservation and I want to see the silly wind cones up close :D ApteryxRainWing🐉 | Roar with me!!! | My contributions 15:55, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have been asked by a good friend to change certain items on both her and her late husband's Wiki sites. A few are personal, some are work-related. So, she (Ann Charters) would be my source as well as some information about her late husband (Samuel Charters) who is also the subject of a Wikipedia page. What should i do? Thank you. Please advise.

Ann Charters. Samuel Charters Ritlarge (talk) 16:51, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If you could find credible sources with which to back up your information, you could make these changes. But please do not add any new information without citation, even if it is straight from the her mouth, we have no way of verifying that. And make sure you declare WP:COI. Shovel Shenanigans (talk) 17:40, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Ritlarge. Private interviews conducted by Wikipedia editors with article subjects or their spouses cannot be used on Wikipedia in any way. The relevant policy is No original research. The only value is that what you are told may help narrow your search for reliable published sources, and the interview subject may be able to provide you with copies of or links to reliable published sources. Cullen328 (talk) 18:14, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, @Ritlarge, and welcome to the Teahouse. Please see WP:AUTOPROB - it is addressed to the article subjects themselves, but I think you will find it helpful. ColinFine (talk) 22:05, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Trying to write about the educational background of an employed Professor. Can I use a Top 100 American university website as a source? Is this considered a secondary source even though it is possible the Professor wrote his own certifications here. At the very least the university definitely fact checked this.

If this is not a valid source, where else should I look? CrownRecruit (talk) 16:59, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @CrownRecruit and welcome to the Teahouse. You can use his faculty website as a source for facts such as his educational background. You will need to show that the professor meets one of the criteria in Wikipedia:Notability (academics) in order to have an article about him accepted. StarryGrandma (talk) 17:32, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I submitted an article for review a couple of weeks ago, but haven’t heard anything back as yet. Is there anything I need or could do to speed up the process? Thanks! MJ638 (talk) 17:28, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Can you link the draft or provide its name? Draft:The Double Archetype/Soul Figure (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) was submitted less than two weeks ago. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 17:43, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your response. It looks like you’ve already linked my draft in your response. MJ638 (talk) 22:35, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Are you sure it has been submitted? Usually on submitted but unreviewed drafts, I see a big orange box with "Review waiting, please be patient." at the top, but it's not on the draft that Rotideypoc41352 has linked above. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.1.223.204 (talk) 20:38, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I never received that “Review waiting…” message or the big orange box you mentioned. I had initially submitted a draft of “The Double Archetype” around one year ago, but it needed major revisions, as it was my first such submission to Wikipedia. I then reposted the article but it was well beyond the 6-month mark for editing. My recent re-submission (i.e., “The Double Archetype/Soul Figure”) I posted as a new submission and am concerned that it won’t be reviewed again. What to do? MJ638 (talk) 22:45, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

First, please list on your userpage the names of your other accounts our WP:VALIDALT policy. Second, merely creating a new draft does not submit it for review. When you think a draft is ready for review, please use the AfC Submission Wizard. Thank you, Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 22:52, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bertrand's box paradox - Wikipedia Is just one of several Wikipedia articles that pose a probability problem and answer the same way. The question in each is about the probability of a specific outcome of an event after it occurred but the answer is the probability of that outcome before the event has occurred. Therefore the answer is incorrect.

I tried editing Betrand's box paradox but since it contradicts all the cited sources, it is not completely accepted. It was thought that I was using "original research." But my reference is an article of which I am the sole authoer published in the peer-review magazine Chance: https://www.tandfonline.com/eprint/N2ZHDVNZTCGQBQWTN5ZQ/full?target=10.1080/09332480.2024.2415844 How do I edit to correct these wrong answers?

Thank you. Kicab (talk) 17:31, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kicab was told at the article talk, Talk:Bertrand's box paradox#Edit posted by Kicab potentially violates no original research, to come here to the Teahouse for advice. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 17:41, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Will you help me or was your reply to others with the Teahouse? Kicab (talk) 18:03, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, @Kicab, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm not sure why you were directed here, because I don't think you'll get any better asnwers here than at the Talk page. ColinFine (talk) 22:07, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I just wanted to chime in since I'm the one that suggested that they come here. The discussion on that article's talk page was primarily between myself and Kicab, though I'm fairly new here so I wasn't sure of the best way to resolve the dispute. In retrospect I probably could have asked here myself, though someone else has joined the conversation so I think that things will resolve themselves over at the talk page. Thank you! DoomInAJar (talk) 00:14, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you both. Kicab (talk) 13:17, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@DoomInAJar: Welcome to the Teahouse. You or Kicab may want to ask for input over at a WikiProject like Wikipedia:WikiProject Mathematics, which will have editors that are interested and/or well-versed in the topic. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:42, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Tenryuu: Great, thank you so much! DoomInAJar (talk) 15:52, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. I'll ask them for more help. Kicab (talk) 15:56, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I engaged in a discussion here earlier about removing the "issues" tags about adequate sourcing of this article: List of people pardoned by Bill Clinton. In that discussion, Mike Turnbull indicated that the "Many of the people in the list have neither separate articles, nor, more importantly, citations to show what offense it was they were originally found guilty of. That seems to me to be a violation of our biography policy and well justifies the cleanup tag." Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1243#Removing warning labels

However, there are two sources from the US Dept. of Justice that list all of the people named and their offenses so I think the problem is just that those sources are not cited prominently or frequently enough. That is, in theory, they could both be appended to each individual person but that seems to be overkill to me. I asked a follow-up question but did not get a further reply.

As far as I can see, the current references #1 and #2 are sufficient to satisfy WP standards for biographical information. It seems that they should be referenced more prominently so that it is clear where the information on each person is sourced from. I've done what I propose for the first two sections -- adding those references adjacent to the date that starts the section. Another alternative would be to repeat them for each individual.

I'm looking for advice as to

which method (or another suggestion) is best?

If there is anything else that would be needed to address the issues that have been flagged on that entry before the warnings can be removed.

As to the issue flagged about use of "unencyclopedic" terms for the crimes. I believe that was valid when the issue was posted but the entry has long since been revised to use the descriptions of the crimes as listed in the DoJ source, sometimes with arbridgement such as "Desertion in violation of the 58^th Article of War" in the source listed simply as "Desertion" in the WP entry.

• • The above was edited to correct the reference to the references and remove a redundant phrase.Jreiss17 (talk) 18:01, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jreiss17 (talk) 17:57, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Jreiss17 I'm not an expert in these things but the way the referencing has been done at List of people granted executive clemency by Donald Trump seems much better. For example, by placing the main citations in the table header, anyone like me who has "sticky headers" set at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets sees the citations for all the table entries. The Trump article also goes into much more detail, with many more specific secondary sources. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:19, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

1. I’m having an issue in getting my peer review done and I’ve gotten no responses and I’m trying to promote the article to at least B or C class. What should I do?

2. I got a merge ongoing but I’m not sure where to notify the people involved so I can get more responses, can someone point me into the right direction? Reader of Information (talk) 18:28, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome to the Teahouse, @Reader of Information. Can you please link to these two articles so that we can see them?

At the top of my head, I would probably go to the article's respective Wikiproject talk page and see if anyone interested would want to review these requests. TheWikiToby (talk) 18:53, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sure thing, @TheWikiToby.

1. The page is Talk:4th Army (France)

2. The page is Talk:2nd Army Corps (France)

Reader of Information (talk) 23:49, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You can try linking the peer review and merge discussions at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history/Requests for project input. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 01:20, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Reader of Information: For 4th Army (France) I would say that is not a stub, but certainly not B class. The reason is that it is composed of a series of lists, without much contextual text. If you add more explanatory prose along with references, it could be rated a "C" otherwise I would suggest a start rating with so few in-line references. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 01:36, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Okay. I’ll work on that then. Reader of Information (talk) 01:49, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am relatively new and enthusiastic editor but I get discouraged when I see duplication or even contradiction between articles which overlap in context. A clear example I’ve encountered concerns the topic of history in “Hawaii”. Hawaii the US state and Hawaiian Islands, the archipelago, are practically the same thing in a History context. There is also an article History of Hawaii.

But I see that Hawaiian Islands#History uses 'transclude' template to align with History of Hawaii. Therefore, I am inclined to similarly use this (or maybe 'extract' or 'section' templates) to align Hawaii#History and History of Hawaii. Is this type of activity encouraged and what are possible pitfalls? Jp2207 (talk) 19:32, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jp2207, that template is a special case of template {{Excerpt}}. Personally, I find the use of {{Excerpt}} helpful and advantageous, for the alignment reasons you state; some other editors disagree. For a discussion of the pros and cons, see {{Excerpt#Advantages and disadvantages}}. Some of the possible disadvantages have mitigating factors; follow the links in that section.

Note that new and enthusiastic is good, and WP:BE BOLD is an approved editing guideline. At the same time, Hawaii has had 4,218 editors, and currently has 1,467 editors watching the page, while History of Hawaii has 998 and 125. It may be worth raising a discussion at one of the article Talk pages, probably at Talk:Hawaii, and sketch out your plan there, to see how other interested editors may react. It would be disappointing if you prepared a large edit to align the two, only to have it undone by some other editor. Discussing it in advance is a collegial thing to do, and may avoid possible conflict. Still, WP:BE BOLD is a thing, so how you approach this is up to you, once you have considered all the factors involved. See also WP:Summary style. Hope this helps, Mathglot (talk) 21:05, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Very useful info for helping me move forward. Thank you for taking the time. Jp2207 (talk) 22:34, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

hi, this is our first try at a page. we would like to get an overall look at the Topic Suitability before we spend more time fixing small citation errors, putting in some helpful figures, etc.

Is there any way to request just the big-picture review of the page but defer the smaller things until we've had a chance to clean it up further and make various small improvements that we want to do? Many thanks!! Ingrid wysong (talk) 20:54, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rarefied gas dynamics — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ingrid wysong (talk • contribs) 20:56, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ingrid wysong Hello. You don't need the whole url when linking to a Wikipedia article or page. I fixed this. You linked to an article, but you seem to be talking about a draft. What review are you waiting for? 331dot (talk) 21:35, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

hello @331dot, and thank you. i was hoping it would be a draft that would get a first review, but i may have done it incorrectly and put it to an article page directly by mistake? ugh. what should i do? Ingrid wysong (talk) 21:42, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, @Ingrid wysong, and welcome to the Teahouse. No, there isn't any particular way to get a review of an article, as opposed to a draft. I suggest asking at WP:WikiProject Physics - have a look at that first, and if no better option appears, ask on its talk page. ColinFine (talk) 22:13, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Noticed you used "we" and "our" -- just so you know, the policy on Wikipedia is there should be one account for each person, and accounts shouldn't be shared. See the relevant policy. Mrfoogles (talk) 01:26, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

More than one person can work on an article (or draft) as long as each has an account. David notMD (talk) 13:48, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Ingrid wysong The article has many refs that need repair and subsections with only the word "text" followed by references. Please fix all. David notMD (talk) 13:48, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

yes, @David notMD, you are correct there for sure. I had really intended to move this from sandbox to a draft article for a while, since it needs a bunch of format corrections, and added text where indicated. But, I did it wrong and it went straight to article. If you know how to put it back to Draft status, I would be grateful. It definitely needs work before it's public. Thank you. Ingrid wysong (talk) 16:33, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Ingrid wysong It is now at Draft:Rarefied gas dynamics. It can be submitted for review when you are ready. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:34, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

thank you @Mike Tumball Ingrid wysong (talk) 16:36, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

oops, looks like @ldm1954 has moved it back to draft for me, so that's good. Will work on the fixes. Ingrid wysong (talk) 16:35, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Mrfoogles thank you for mentioning that. I will be more careful. the draft so far was mostly done by myself and by @Dreamchaser4180 and one can see that in the history Ingrid wysong (talk) 16:30, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. I recently found out by readinga cademic paper on Ptolemaic queens of ancient Egypt that two of them were granted title of Vizier. So I went into page Vizier (Ancient Egypt) and added their names to list of viziers, I also provided sources. And today I got this message: 'I wanted to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions to Vizier (Ancient Egypt) have been undone because they did not appear constructive. If you would like to experiment, please use your sandbox. If you have any questions, you can ask for assistance at the Teahouse or the Help desk'. I brought back my edition and in meantime I am wondering what exactly 'not constructive' means.

This was page for viziers. I added viziers names and source. I do not speculate about extent of their power, I only provide information about title. What was 'not constructive' in my edit? Sobek2000 (talk) 21:44, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, @Sobek2000, and welcome to the Teahouse. What happened is that a particular editor (not "Wikipedia") decided there was something not right about your edit. They may have had a good reason, it might have been a simple mistake, or many other possiblities between. The thing to do is for you to engage with that editor - probably on the article's talk page, and make sure you ping that editor - you can find out who it was by looking at the article's history. Please see WP:BRD for how this works. ColinFine (talk) 22:16, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I asked them immiediately, because they notified my, but so far no answer. Sobek2000 (talk) 22:50, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

But thanks for answer and your time! Sobek2000 (talk) 22:50, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Sobek2000,

From what I read, it seems that the edit was constructive as it was a list. Having the names there is the first step to completing lists and you did the proper fact checking so I don’t see how this was unconstructive. I’ll be undoing the revert as it doesn’t seem unconstructive if it hasn’t been done already.

Kind regards,

Reader of Information (talk) 00:02, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

link to policy but also to quote language from policy? Thx Humanengr (talk) 23:15, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Humanengr: I assume that you mean policies and guidelines and essays. However your question is much too concise and hard to understand. SO please be less concise! Do you want a link to a list of all of these? Essays will be hard to get a total list as many are in userspace and a one user's opinion. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 01:02, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Less concisely: Say someone objects to an edit and claims, e.g., WP:DUE as their justification. I, on the other hand, don't agree that WP:DUE applies (and quote part of that policy to support my argument) and ask the objector to indicate what they are relying on in WP:DUE. They don't respond. What should I cite to encourage them to respond? Humanengr (talk) 01:42, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

See WP:POL along with Wikipedia:List of policies, Wikipedia:List of guidelines, Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Contents, and Wikipedia:Essay directory Graeme Bartlett (talk) 01:05, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You'd quote policy in addition to linking it to, for example, communicate clearly to new users and ensure properly use of a shortcut. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 01:16, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thx … my question is: Which policy, guideline, etc., says to quote policy? Is there anything stronger than WP:ALP? I thought I had seen something, but can't remember where. Humanengr (talk) 03:16, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That is much clearer question now. This depends a lot on the context of where you are talking and to whom. If you are issuing a warning to a newcomer, then link the policy and explain it simply. If you are talking to someone around for a long time then basic policies can just be mentioned, or linked as an abbreviation. So please consider your audience. For a formal deletion discussion then policy based arguments should be used, and it should be clear what policy that is. But in many discussions you don't have to mention policies. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 04:40, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is this article, which i'm trying to clean up and there this section called: Public image and influence. Which policy / guideline regulates / specify what to include in it or if it should just be deleted? Synonimany (talk) 23:57, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Synonimany I think you can just remove the section as the only sources are the post itself and two spammy 'news' websites. Number of views doesn't hold any weight. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 00:46, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Sungodtemple Thanks for the reply, do you know the policy for this, so i don't need to come back here again? Synonimany (talk) 10:36, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Synonimany The main policy is that Wikipedia article content is based on secondary sources, not primary ones. If some reliable secondary source had commented on how influential Giardelli had been owing to his videos, that would be valid content. Indeed, it would help confirm his notability. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:06, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]