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The Fire Extinguisher Entry is outdated and wrong. CO2 IS toxic at concentrations higher than 5%. Design Concentrations for Room Flooding systems with CO2 are 40%+ so CO2 is not suitable for occupied spaces. CO2 Flooding Systems are not supported for use in occupiable spaces though many countries such as USA and other third world countries still misuse CO2 in Fire Suppression Systems because it is cheap. The NFPA supports the use of CO2 on electrical hazards though it is not supported globally because CO2 can cause over pressurization, thermal shock, electrical component damage and has human health/toxicity issues. The NFPA organisation is not the definitive word/authority on Fire Suppression it is just one of many organisations involved in making standards for Fire Protection. The NFPA is really relevent only to the USA. USA codes and standards are typically only relevent to the USA so should not be referenced as the main global Fire standard on a site like wiki which serves a global audience (unless wiki is only for Americans). Though CO2 was used many years ago to protect enclosed spaces on Ships, this is extremely outdated. CO2 has caused fatalities on ships in Navies and merchant fleets that it is now superceded in this application by using extinguishants that support human life at design concentrations such as HFC-227 or Novec-1230. Unlike other countries, America and other third world countries still allow the use of CO2 in some applications where humans can be present because CO2 is cheap and installations are not monitored/controlled. (~GRANT) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.140.155.66 (talk • contribs) 10:19, 2 December 2009 (UTC) |
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Ambiguous units of measurement like "ppm" and "%" across this article
There are many data with ambiguous units of measurement like "ppm" and "%" across this article (and many other articles across Wikipedia), without a clear explanation what those units stand for. Without a clear explanation, those units can stand for mass per volume, volume per volume, mole per mole or who knows what else. Can someone clarify what those units stand for, despite that is not clarified in the sources? The data about the concentrations of carbon dioxide (and other suffocating and toxic gases and substances) in the air, water, food, drinks, products, etcetera, is a very important information for readers, especially non-expert ones, so, editors should be notified about the very existence of the ambiguous "ppm", "%" and similar ambiguous units across Wikipedia. Let's discuss. I am opening a debate. What do you think? Do you agree or disagree with me, and explain why. Thanks in advance for your opinion. Bernardirfan (talk) 18:08, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
- WP:JUSTFIXIT with a WP:SCIRS source. Zefr (talk) 19:06, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
- I think another editor has now fixed the problem. Thanks for pointing it out. Not everything needs a debate, as Zefr rightly points out. Qflib, aka KeeYou Flib (talk) 14:09, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
- Thank you Qlib and Zefr for resolving my {{clarify}} tags. Bernardirfan (talk) 09:41, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
Medical uses
I removed the following content that is unsourced. All biomedical claims need WP:MEDRS sourcing because we don't want people to harm themselves. Clayoquot (talk | contribs) 00:46, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
Medical and pharmacological uses
In medicine, up to 5% carbon dioxide (130 times atmospheric concentration) is added to oxygen for stimulation of breathing after apnea and to stabilize the O2/CO2 balance in blood.
Carbon dioxide can be mixed with up to 50% oxygen, forming an inhalable gas; this is known as Carbogen and has a variety of medical and research uses.
Another medical use are the mofette, dry spas that use carbon dioxide from post-volcanic discharge for therapeutic purposes.
Due weight issues regarding commercial use
The article currently gives a lot of weight to the use of CO2 in the food and beverage industries and various industrial niches. These are relatively small uses of CO2, which is primarily used in urea production and in the oil and gas industry or not used at all. I plan to update it to give a more balanced overview of commercial use. To replace the last paragraph of the lead, I have drafted the following text (adapted largely from the IEA, CC-BY):
- Globally, 230 million tonnes (Mt) of carbon dioxide (CO2) are used every year. The largest consumer is the fertilizer industry, where 130 Mt CO2 is used in urea manufacturing.[1]: 3 The oil and gas industry consumes 70 to 80 Mt CO2 annually for enhanced oil recovery.[1]: 3 Other commercial applications include food and beverage production, metal fabrication, cooling, fire suppression and stimulating plant growth in greenhouses. [1]: 3 Some usage of CO2 results in long-term sequestration underground or in products. However, as the the potential for commercial use of CO2 is relatively small, the vast majority of CO2 is a waste product.[2]
Clayoquot (talk | contribs) 21:38, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
Content cut from article
I've removed the content below from the "Commercial uses" section as they describe technologies that are still at pre-commercial stages of development (or possibly at extremely early commercial deployment if I've missed a recent update). The older predictions of glory have not gone anywhere. Recent sourcing on these issues: Allam cycle [1][2], enhanced coal bed methane recovery[3], algal biofuels.[4] Clayoquot (talk | contribs) 18:54, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
Supercritical CO2 is used as the working fluid in the Allam power cycle engine.
In enhanced coal bed methane recovery, carbon dioxide would be pumped into the coal seam to displace methane, as opposed to current methods which primarily rely on the removal of water (to reduce pressure) to make the coal seam release its trapped methane.[3]
Bio transformation into fuel
It has been proposed that CO2 from power generation be bubbled into ponds to stimulate growth of algae that could then be converted into biodiesel fuel.[4] A strain of the cyanobacterium Synechococcus elongatus has been genetically engineered to produce the fuels isobutyraldehyde and isobutanol from CO2 using photosynthesis.[5]
Researchers have developed an electrocatalytic technique using enzymes isolated from bacteria to power the chemical reactions which convert CO2 into fuels.[6][7][8]
Suggested correction to "General guidelines on indoor CO2 concentration effects" table
The table in the "Below 1%" section lists a concentration of "700 ppm" with the note "ASHRAE recommendation", but the linked source says (my emphasis)—
Thus, maintaining a steady-state CO2 concentration in a space no greater than about 700 ppm above outdoor air levels will indicate that a substantial majority of visitors entering a space will be satisfied with respect to human bioeffluents (body odor).
So, the ASHRAE recommendation isn't "700 ppm", but rather "700 ppm above outdoor air levels". The table as-written is incorrect. 73.171.45.17 (talk) 20:07, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
- ^ a b c "Putting CO2 to Use – Analysis". IEA. 2019-09-25. Retrieved 2024-10-30.
- ^ Sekera, June; Lichtenberger, Andreas (6 October 2020). "Assessing Carbon Capture: Public Policy, Science, and Societal Need: A Review of the Literature on Industrial Carbon Removal". Biophysical Economics and Sustainability. 5 (3): 14. Bibcode:2020BpES....5...14S. doi:10.1007/s41247-020-00080-5.Text was copied from this source, which is available under a Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 International License
- ^ "Enhanced coal bed methane recovery". ETH Zurich. 31 August 2006. Archived from the original on 6 July 2011.
- ^ Clayton M (11 January 2006). "Algae – like a breath mint for smokestacks". The Christian Science Monitor. Archived from the original on 14 September 2008. Retrieved 11 October 2007.
- ^ Atsumi S, Higashide W, Liao JC (December 2009). "Direct photosynthetic recycling of carbon dioxide to isobutyraldehyde". Nature Biotechnology. 27 (12): 1177–1180. doi:10.1038/nbt.1586. PMID 19915552. S2CID 1492698.
- ^ Cobb S, Badiani V, Dharani A, Wagner A, Zacarias S, Oliveira AR, et al. (2022-02-28). "Fast CO2 hydration kinetics impair heterogeneous but improve enzymatic CO2 reduction catalysis". Nature Chemistry. 14 (4): 417–424. Bibcode:2022NatCh..14..417C. doi:10.1038/s41557-021-00880-2. ISSN 1755-4349. PMC 7612589. PMID 35228690. S2CID 247160910.
- ^ Edwardes Moore E, Cobb SJ, Coito AM, Oliveira AR, Pereira IA, Reisner E (January 2022). "Understanding the local chemical environment of bioelectrocatalysis". Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the United States of America. 119 (4): e2114097119. Bibcode:2022PNAS..11914097E. doi:10.1073/pnas.2114097119. PMC 8795565. PMID 35058361.
- ^ "Clean Way To Turn CO2 Into Fuel Inspired by Nature". Applied Sciences from Technology Networks. 2022-03-01. Retrieved 2022-03-02.
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