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Count of DYK Hooks | ||
Section | # of Hooks | # Verified |
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May 12 | 1 | |
May 14 | 1 | 1 |
May 16 | 1 | |
May 17 | 1 | |
May 20 | 2 | |
May 21 | 1 | |
May 26 | 1 | 1 |
May 27 | 2 | |
May 29 | 1 | |
May 30 | 2 | |
June 2 | 1 | |
June 3 | 2 | |
June 6 | ||
June 7 | 2 | |
June 8 | 1 | |
June 9 | 3 | |
June 11 | 1 | |
June 13 | 5 | 4 |
June 14 | 2 | |
June 15 | 3 | 2 |
June 16 | 2 | 2 |
June 17 | 5 | 3 |
June 18 | 4 | 4 |
June 19 | 4 | 2 |
June 20 | 4 | 3 |
June 21 | 5 | 3 |
June 22 | 9 | 7 |
June 23 | 12 | 8 |
June 24 | 7 | 4 |
June 25 | 10 | 9 |
June 26 | 10 | 6 |
June 27 | 5 | 5 |
June 28 | 9 | 5 |
June 29 | 5 | 4 |
June 30 | 9 | 5 |
July 1 | 12 | 5 |
July 2 | 5 | 3 |
July 3 | 13 | 6 |
July 4 | 10 | 5 |
July 5 | 9 | 4 |
July 6 | 13 | 5 |
July 7 | 14 | 5 |
July 8 | 9 | 4 |
July 9 | 10 | 3 |
July 10 | 7 | 1 |
July 11 | 5 | |
July 12 | 3 | |
Total | 243 | 119 |
Last updated 09:29, 12 July 2024 UTC Current time is 09:36, 12 July 2024 UTC [refresh] |
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Frequently asked questions
How do I write an interesting hook?
Successful hooks tend to have several traits. Most importantly, they share a surprising or intriguing fact. They give readers enough context to understand the hook, but leave enough out to make them want to learn more. They are written for a general audience who has no prior knowledge of or interest in the topic area. Lastly, they are concise, and do not attempt to cover multiple facts or present information about the subject beyond what's needed to understand the hook.
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How to remove a rejected hook
- Open the DYK nomination subpage of the hook you would like to remove. (It's best to wait several days after a reviewer has rejected the hook, just in case someone contests or the article undergoes a large change.)
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How to remove a hook from the prep areas or queue
- Edit the prep area or queue where the hook is and remove the hook and the credits associated with it.
- Go to the hook's nomination subpage (there should have been a link to it in the credits section).
- View the edit history for that page
- Go back to the last version before the edit where the hook was promoted, and revert to that version to make the nomination active again.
- Add a new icon on the nomination subpage to cancel the previous tick and leave a comment after it explaining that the hook was removed from the prep area or queue, and why, so that later reviewers are aware of this issue.
- Add a transclusion of the template back to this page so that reviewers can see it. It goes under the date that it was first created/expanded/listed as a GA. You may need to add back the day header for that date if it had been removed from this page.
- If you removed the hook from a queue, it is best to either replace it with another hook from one of the prep areas, or to leave a message at WT:DYK asking someone else to do so.
How to move a nomination subpage to a new name
- Don't; it should not ever be necessary, and will break some links which will later need to be repaired. Even if you change the title of the article, you don't need to move the nomination page.
Nominations
Older nominations
Articles created/expanded on May 12
Interstate 85 in North Carolina
- ... that I-85 switches directions from milemarker 96 to 102 in Davidson County?
- Source: [1]
- Reviewed:
- Comment: You're gonna have to zoom at least 75% into the map image to see the red line, which is I-85.
NoobThreePointOh (talk) 17:33, 12 May 2024 (UTC).
- It's not immediately obvious what you're talking about, and you should make it clear where this "Davidson County" place is for people who won't realize it's in North Carolina, USA. So ...
- ALT1: ... that for six miles (9.6 km) in Davidson County, North Carolina, traffic on I-85 drives on the left?
- I also wonder if you were able to find any explanation for this in your research. I think it's been noted elsewhere as the only significant place in the US with LHT. And maybe we should put that in the intro. Daniel Case (talk) 05:17, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- Hmmm... I suppose that works. I'm just a little unsure about what hook exactly to choose. Yeah, I'll probably place it in the intro. NoobThreePointOh (talk) 09:12, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- Full review needed. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:36, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Let me review this. its new, long enough, QPQ not required,
but I don't see the fact that it drives on the left anywhere in the article. I used 'Ctrl+F' for left and can only find one mention, and that is not even about the direction.JuniperChill (talk) 12:41, 26 June 2024 (UTC)- Actually, its there located just above Interstate_85_in_North_Carolina#Greensboro_to_Durham,its just worded slightly differently so I am giving it the go ahead. JuniperChill (talk) 12:46, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
Unpromoted. Pulled per Special:Diff/1232390332. Note this is the second time this hook has been pulled, so sending it back to unapproved to get a good hard look. RoySmith (talk) 14:22, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Daniel Case: @BlueMoonset: @JuniperChill: For everyone here, this article had to be unpromoted from DYK due to the sourcing coming from Google Maps. After having found a much better source from NCDOT, which this article has a map, I'd like to get approval to see if it now meets the requirements for DYK. NoobThreePointOh (talk) 15:21, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- (drive by comment) I don't think "drives on the left" is an accurate description of what happens here. Especially with the link, this seems to indicate that left-hand traffic rules apply (instead, all that happens is that the two directions cross over each other). If we had true left hand traffic, each direction should have its shoulder and most exits on the left hand side. —Kusma (talk) 16:08, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, and honestly as per my previous comment IMHO we need an explicit source saying it drives on the left rather than just inferring that from a map when nobody else has noted it. As such, the switch from Google maps to a NCDOT map doesn't really address this central concern. The map still only sources that they two roads cross over each other twice, not that it's a "drive on the left" area. Somewhere like the United States Virgin Islands, on the other hand, it's clearly sourced that they drive on the left. — Amakuru (talk) 16:37, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Well, I guess I've given up on the DYK nomination then. All that effort I put in for nothing. NoobThreePointOh (talk) 16:49, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- The reliability of GM is disputed, according to WP:RSP WP:GOOGLEMAPS. Its neither stated as reliable nor unreliable even after several discussions. But anyway It clearly shows that the I85 switches sides like a diverging diamond interchange without traffic lights. Since I am new to Wikipedia and DYK, I may as well leave it to another person to review/promote this hook. JuniperChill (talk) 19:53, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, and honestly as per my previous comment IMHO we need an explicit source saying it drives on the left rather than just inferring that from a map when nobody else has noted it. As such, the switch from Google maps to a NCDOT map doesn't really address this central concern. The map still only sources that they two roads cross over each other twice, not that it's a "drive on the left" area. Somewhere like the United States Virgin Islands, on the other hand, it's clearly sourced that they drive on the left. — Amakuru (talk) 16:37, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- (drive by comment) I don't think "drives on the left" is an accurate description of what happens here. Especially with the link, this seems to indicate that left-hand traffic rules apply (instead, all that happens is that the two directions cross over each other). If we had true left hand traffic, each direction should have its shoulder and most exits on the left hand side. —Kusma (talk) 16:08, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
@RoySmith, Daniel Case, NoobThreePointOh, and JuniperChill: FWIW there is an article here - [1] which discusses this in detail. I suppose it's questionable whether the "North Carolina Rabbit Hole" is a reliable source, but the guy does seem to have done his research and interviewed the road's designer and suchlike, so interested on opinions on that? — Amakuru (talk) 19:11, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Great find! I really like this concept of two rest stops in the middle that can be accessed by (normal) right exits. The author seems to be slightly more "independent journalist" than "blogger" but it isn't completely obvious why he passes our RS guidelines. If we trust his statement that there are almost no sources on this but do not trust his statement about the rest area, we won't be able to continue. —Kusma (talk) 19:47, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- I started working my way through the article. To be honest, I have no idea how this passed GA; the sourcing is just abyssimal. For example, I'm looking at the first paragraph of "South Carolina to Charlotte". This entire paragraph is cited to map of Cleveland County which doesn't begin to say most of things the paragraph says. "from Cherokee County", as far as I can tell from the map, it's York County. "Most of the Interstate for its first few miles is generally rural in nature and remains four lanes." No clue how the map supports any of that. "which quietly merges onto I-85". Quietly? The map says quietly? "Interstate meets US 74 at a unique weave interchange" Unique? The maps says it's unique? "Both routes also enter Kings Mountain." Looking at the Google map, that does appear to be an accurate statement, but the cited NC DOT map certainly doesn't show it. But, to get to the matter at hand; the (supposedly) left-hand drive sections of I-85 The entire paragraph that contains this statement is cited to https://connect.ncdot.gov/resources/State-Mapping/Documents/thumbs/Davidson.pdf, which doesn't even come close to supporing almost anything in that paragraph. "The landscape becomes more rural"??? "I-85 enters a large forest with tree-lined medians"??? This really should have it's GA revoked as a defective review, but I just don't have the energy to file it. RoySmith (talk) 20:06, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- I found the energy: Wikipedia:Good article reassessment/Interstate 85 in North Carolina/1 RoySmith (talk) 20:28, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
References
Articles created/expanded on May 16
Baubau
- ... that Baubau city filed two different budgets at the same time, resulting it to lose their chance at becoming capital of Southeast Sulawesi? Source: "Beberapa sebab terpilihnya Kota Kendari sebagai Ibukota Provinsi Sulawesi Tenggara di antaranyakalah jumlah suara pada saat pemilihan untuk penentuan ibukota. Selain itu,terjadi malbirokrasi di mana ada dinas di Kota Baubau yang mengajukan anggaran dua versi dan yang mengajukan dua orang, sehingga terjadi dualisme dalam satu dinas. Akibatnya,kekacauan dalam sistem birokrasi dan tata pemerintahan sangat mungkin terjadi jika Kota Baubau menjadi ibukota provinsi. Oleh karena itu, Mendagri dan Otonomi Daerah dalam keputusannya mengesahkan Kota Kendari sebagai Ibukota Provinsi Sulawesi Tenggara." Rabani, L. O., Purwanto, B., & Margana, S. (2020). Politik dan Ekonomi di Dua Kota: Baubau dan Kendari pada tahun 1950an–1960an. MOZAIK HUMANIORA, 20(1), 39–56. https://doi.org/10.20473/mozaik.v20i1.15746
- ALT1: ... that Baubau city has a fortress made out of coral reefs and limestones? Source: "Benteng Wolio dibangun dengan bahan baku berupa batu karang, pasir, dan kapur. Dalam sistem pengetahuan setempat, bahan perekat material benteng menggunakan putih telur ayam." https://books.google.co.id/books?id=HRHszgEACAAJ&newbks=0&hl=id&redir_esc=y (Page 49)
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Minnesota State Highway 36
- Comment: Newly expanded 5 times, CE will be very appreciated thank you. Also special request to be posted on 29th July.
Nyanardsan (talk) 01:44, 16 May 2024 (UTC).
- Not a review, but special occasion requests for more than six weeks require consensus at WT:DYK. I'd also expect a more merciless prepbuilder to truncate ALT0 at 'time'.--Launchballer 18:33, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Nyanardsan: Please complete a QPQ, and link it above. Thanks, Z1720 (talk) 02:11, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- QPQ added. I also would like to highlight my request once again. I am fine if it must go through consensus at WT:DYK and any modification/ALTs are also fine as long as it mentions the city's name. Nyanardsan (talk) 03:26, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- This is not a review but I would oppose the special occasion request. For one thing, the significance of the date is not even stated in the nomination, plus there is no mention of the date in the article. Thus it is not even clear what the significance of July 29 to the subject is. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:34, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Full review needed. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:38, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- I am currently unable to check for close paraphrasing as Earwig is currently rate limited, so this is only a preliminary review. I can verify that a 5x expansion was completed within seven days of the nomination, and that a QPQ has been provided. I have a slight preference for ALT0, but as Launchballer suggested it will probably need copyediting. Both hooks are cited inline and cited to Indonesian sources; AGF although Google Translate seems to verify the information. A QPQ has been provided. The primary issue with the article right now is that it is in need of a copyedit. The article is inconsistent with its use of quotation marks (some statements use single ones and others use doubles) and there are multiple grammatical errors in the article, mostly missing uses of "the". Asking Launchballer for help in copyediting, but otherwise the article can't run until that is completed. As for the special occasion request, given that the article was nominated outside six weeks, it needed an IAR exemption at WT:DYK, but that did not happen. However, I would oppose such a special occasion request for that date as it is not mentioned anywhere in the article and its significance to the subject is unclear. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:35, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- I'll take a look at this in the morning.--Launchballer 02:19, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- I've added quite a few tags to this, and there may be more. I plan on giving this another pass, but this should take some of the edge off.--Launchballer 11:43, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Nyanardsan: A few things; '98.45' is not a ratio; long strings of percentages such as the ones in Demographics would flow much better as a list; I found quite a few instances of claims being backed up by sources that can't possibly contain them, for example a 2022 source claiming something is as of 2023, and these will have to be remedied.--Launchballer 08:34, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- For the ratio, I clarified again. I was simply following the statistics document like always, mentioning gender ratio in that way. I disagree with the demographics section should be converted to list, it is fine as it is as prose. The unclarified sources one have been fixed (I apologize, it's mostly me forgetting to recite BPS documents which is used a lot), except for the fish export one which is correctly cited already by AntaraNews article Nyanardsan (talk) 14:35, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- Who described the Buton Sultanate's political position as "like a shuttlecock"? This should be in the article. Also, ratios show quantities relative to each another and are usually written in the form a:b.--Launchballer 16:07, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- For the ratio, I clarified again. I was simply following the statistics document like always, mentioning gender ratio in that way. I disagree with the demographics section should be converted to list, it is fine as it is as prose. The unclarified sources one have been fixed (I apologize, it's mostly me forgetting to recite BPS documents which is used a lot), except for the fish export one which is correctly cited already by AntaraNews article Nyanardsan (talk) 14:35, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Nyanardsan: A few things; '98.45' is not a ratio; long strings of percentages such as the ones in Demographics would flow much better as a list; I found quite a few instances of claims being backed up by sources that can't possibly contain them, for example a 2022 source claiming something is as of 2023, and these will have to be remedied.--Launchballer 08:34, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- I've added quite a few tags to this, and there may be more. I plan on giving this another pass, but this should take some of the edge off.--Launchballer 11:43, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- I'll take a look at this in the morning.--Launchballer 02:19, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
@Nyanardsan: I asked for this a week ago. What's the holdup?--Launchballer 21:47, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on May 17
Rashmika Mandanna
... that Rashmika Mandanna made her debut in 2016 opposite Rakshit Shetty in the Kannada romance Kirik Party?- Reviewed:
19Arham (talk) 21:24, 17 May 2024 (UTC).
- A new hook is needed here as the hook may not be interesting or understandable to a broad audience, particularly if the reader is unfamiliar with Shetty. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:54, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
- @19Arham: Can you suggest some additional hooks below? Z1720 (talk) 02:10, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
ALT1: ... that Rashmika Mandanna starred in the third highest-grossing Indian film of 2023 opposite Bollywood royalty, Ranbir Kapoor?
- That doesn't seem to be much of an improvement, not to mention referring to Kapoor as "Bollywood royalty" could fall afoul of WP:WTA. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:20, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- @19Arham: are there any other aspects of this article that could be a good hook? Proposing multiple hooks is more likely to get approved. @Narutolovehinata5: do you have any suggestions of interesting aspects in which to get a hook from? Z1720 (talk) 00:59, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not an expert on Bollywood so I'm probably not the best person to ask about this; besides, I didn't get much ideas from a quick skim of the article, but it could just be due to unfamiliarity with the subject. Launchballer has experience proposing ALTs for entertainers so maybe they'd have some ideas. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:09, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- ALT2: ... that Rashmika Mandanna was reluctant to accept her first Hindi cinema role as she disagreed with her character's views on spirituality? jumps out, although there may be others. Also @19Arham: I strongly recommend submitting an image with this nomination, as all of the images are Creative Commons.--Launchballer 20:23, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not an expert on Bollywood so I'm probably not the best person to ask about this; besides, I didn't get much ideas from a quick skim of the article, but it could just be due to unfamiliarity with the subject. Launchballer has experience proposing ALTs for entertainers so maybe they'd have some ideas. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:09, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- @19Arham: are there any other aspects of this article that could be a good hook? Proposing multiple hooks is more likely to get approved. @Narutolovehinata5: do you have any suggestions of interesting aspects in which to get a hook from? Z1720 (talk) 00:59, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- That doesn't seem to be much of an improvement, not to mention referring to Kapoor as "Bollywood royalty" could fall afoul of WP:WTA. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:20, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- ALT2 sounds good and can be reviewed, though if anyone has additional hook suggestions that's also appreciated. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:02, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Actually, I'm fairly sure the whole article needs a review.--Launchballer 14:56, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- This is the oldest fully unreviewed nomination and I need a QPQ, so I'm reviewing. Long enough, just about new enough at nine days. Earwig highlights a few phrases, but these appear to come under WP:LIMITED. No QPQ needed. Reviewer needed to approve my ALT2.--Launchballer 20:03, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- Actually, I'm fairly sure the whole article needs a review.--Launchballer 14:56, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on May 20
Jump (Tyla, Gunna, and Skillibeng song)
... that a fusion of international talent "Jump" by South African singer Tyla, American rapper Gunna and Jamaican singer as well as rapper Skillibeng is a collaborative song which blends Tyla's melodious vocals, Gunna's rap prowess, and Skillibeng's dancehall flair, marking a vibrant cross-genre collaboration that's making waves globally? Source: ' ' 'Source:' ' 'For 6 consecutive weeks, the song has maintained the number one position on the UK's biggest premier chart for afrobeats songs, which ranks them according to sales and streams over a 7 day period: [2]American rapper Gunna and South African singer Tyla traveled to Johannesburg, South Africa, Tyla's hometown, to film the official music video: [3]- Reviewed:
- Comment: "Jump" by Tyla, Gunna and Skillibeng achieved remarkable success, reaching the number 1 spot on The UK’s biggest Afrobeats songs chart for six consecutive weeks. The collaboration between American rapper Gunna , Jamaican musician Skillibeng and South African singer Tyla, filmed in Johannesburg, South Africa, showcases the global appeal and cross-cultural influence of contemporary music. The song's popularity underscores the growing recognition and appreciation of African music on an international scale. "Jump" exemplifies the fusion of diverse musical styles and talents, resulting in a chart-topping hit with widespread appeal. "Jump" has earned millions of streams and downloads worldwide since its release.
Qaqaamba (talk) 12:36, 20 May 2024 (UTC).
- Hooks should contain a bolded link to the article and be under 200 characters long, so I've struck it. Please propose something much shorter.--Launchballer 12:48, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
- ALT1: ... that "Jump" is a cross-genre collaboration blending South African singer Tyla's vocals, American rapper Gunna's trap, and Jamaican musician Skillibeng's dancehall? "Jump" stands out as the sole hip hop or trap and dancehall infused song on Tyla's eponymous debut studio album, Tyla. Qaqaamba (talk) 13:23, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
- 162 characters after adding an oxford comma, which I have added to the article title. Full review needed.--Launchballer 14:59, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
- ALT2: ... that "Jump" is a cross-genre collaboration blending singer Tyla's vocals, American rapper Gunna's rap and Jamaican musician Skillibeng's, dancehall? Qaqaamba (talk) 15:07, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
- ALT3:… that "Jump" was the only trap-infused recording on Tyla? dxneo (talk) 09:52, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Qaqaamba and Dxneo: As per WP:DYKINT, the hook should be "perceived as unusual or intriguing by readers with no special knowledge or interest." Might I suggest something maybe to do with the "Haibo!" adlib, the famous Hillbrow Tower in the video, or perhaps the viral "they ain't never had a pretty girl from..." trend? —cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝) 08:35, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Qaqaamba, Dxneo, and Cybertrip: I was going to propose "that two of the places referenced in Tyla's "Jump" are the same place", except it doesn't check out to the cited source. Can this be remedied?--Launchballer 13:12, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Never mind, I added it myself.--Launchballer 10:04, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- This is currently the oldest fully unreviewed nomination and I need a QPQ, so I'm reviewing. Long enough, new enough (though I'll admit to doing a double take when DYKcheck told me 'promoted to GA on June 6' when this was created on 15 May). No maintenance templates deserved, no QPQ incurred, no copyright complaints. I fear that the image may divert readers into Tyla's and Gunna's articles, so I won't approve it. As previously suggested, I am proposing ALT4: ... that two of the places referenced in Tyla's "Jump" are the same place? and will call for a new reviewer.--Launchballer 11:58, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- Never mind, I added it myself.--Launchballer 10:04, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Qaqaamba, Dxneo, and Cybertrip: I was going to propose "that two of the places referenced in Tyla's "Jump" are the same place", except it doesn't check out to the cited source. Can this be remedied?--Launchballer 13:12, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Qaqaamba and Dxneo: As per WP:DYKINT, the hook should be "perceived as unusual or intriguing by readers with no special knowledge or interest." Might I suggest something maybe to do with the "Haibo!" adlib, the famous Hillbrow Tower in the video, or perhaps the viral "they ain't never had a pretty girl from..." trend? —cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝) 08:35, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- ALT3:… that "Jump" was the only trap-infused recording on Tyla? dxneo (talk) 09:52, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- ALT1: ... that "Jump" is a cross-genre collaboration blending South African singer Tyla's vocals, American rapper Gunna's trap, and Jamaican musician Skillibeng's dancehall? "Jump" stands out as the sole hip hop or trap and dancehall infused song on Tyla's eponymous debut studio album, Tyla. Qaqaamba (talk) 13:23, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
Praetoria of Constantinople
- ... that in the Praetorium of Constantinople the brothers Theodorus and Theophanes (pictured) had twelve iambic verses branded on their forehead and torso?
- Source: Senina (2008), pp. 267-268
- Reviewed: Red Sea mangroves
- Comment: I will do the QPQ asap.
Alex2006 (talk) 16:11, 20 May 2024 (UTC).
- @Alessandro57: You still need to provide a QPQ as it has been over two weeks since the nomination. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:03, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: you are right, sorry, QPQ done. Alex2006 (talk) 05:56, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
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Overall: AGF on non-English sources, although was able to verify the basic facts elsewhere. Only concern would be the last sentence of the introduction: "At least two buildings with this function existed in the city". It is unclear if this is talking about jails, or places where the prefect dispensed justice. @Alessandro57: - Are you able to address this? CSJJ104 (talk) 16:28, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- You are right, @CSJJ104:, it wasn't clear, thanks. Updated everywhere with sources. Alex2006 (talk) 11:10, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Alessandro57: Reading this with the recent additions, is the article intended to cover both buildings, or just the one? If it's covering both then possibly it should be moved to Praetoria of Constantinople, otherwise the article should make clear which building it covers. CSJJ104 (talk) 12:49, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Hallo @CSJJ104:, your concern has been addressed: article moved to plural. Cheers, Alex2006 (talk) 14:20, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Performed a copyedit on the lead, but otherwise good to go. I assume good faith on the non-English sources. CSJJ104 (talk) 17:55, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Note that I've nominated the image for deletion. All that means is that this can't become the lead hook; no other issues. Schwede66 06:11, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Alessandro57 and CSJJ104: Senina 2008 pp.267–268 does not verify that the branding took place within the Praetoria, and as a translation of a primary source it is not a reliable source for the hook. Meanwhile, Janin 1950 is pushing the limits of WP:RSAGE, so unless it is watertight (could you please supply a quote that supports the hook) I think a new hook might be needed. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 16:06, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Also noting that the image was kept.--Launchballer 16:13, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- @AirshipJungleman29: WP:RSAGE does not really apply here; this is a historical article, where the narrative part of history, which relies on medieval sources, is not liable to change much. The only developments could be the discovery and publication of major written sources or archaeological excavations, but the former hasn't been the case and the latter is unlikely to happen given that the sites lie at the heart of Istanbul, where only major infrastructure projects like the subway have led to extensive archaeological discoveries. In summary, Janin is still very much a WP:RS and valid for this topic, as can be seen by its still frequent use in 21st-century scholarly works. Constantine ✍ 10:09, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Cplakidas I trust your judgement re. RSAGE, but would still like to see a quote. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 10:11, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- AirshipJungleman29 Thanks for pointing this out. I'm not actually able to access Senina 2008 and didn't notice the issue. Can I check though, is your objection purely to its use to cite the hook, or should the article also be updated? CSJJ104 (talk) 23:04, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks a lot for your supplement of review and your comments, @AirshipJungleman29: , @CSJJ104: ,@Cplakidas:.Unfortunately I find myself since a week in the Poli and I have neither a PC with me(I am writing on a phone :-((() nor Janin (btw, for this article I have been forced to use the 1950 edition because the 1964 revised edition was borrowed by someone else). I agree with Constantine that for this kind of articles one has to rely heavily upon the primary sources, because it is all that we have. Anyway, I added another online secondary source to the text (Abschnitt V.17, unfortunately in German), and I hope that this will solve the problem. Cheers from Istanbul, Alex2006 (talk) 06:11, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- AirshipJungleman29 Thanks for pointing this out. I'm not actually able to access Senina 2008 and didn't notice the issue. Can I check though, is your objection purely to its use to cite the hook, or should the article also be updated? CSJJ104 (talk) 23:04, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Cplakidas I trust your judgement re. RSAGE, but would still like to see a quote. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 10:11, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- @AirshipJungleman29: WP:RSAGE does not really apply here; this is a historical article, where the narrative part of history, which relies on medieval sources, is not liable to change much. The only developments could be the discovery and publication of major written sources or archaeological excavations, but the former hasn't been the case and the latter is unlikely to happen given that the sites lie at the heart of Istanbul, where only major infrastructure projects like the subway have led to extensive archaeological discoveries. In summary, Janin is still very much a WP:RS and valid for this topic, as can be seen by its still frequent use in 21st-century scholarly works. Constantine ✍ 10:09, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Also noting that the image was kept.--Launchballer 16:13, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Performed a copyedit on the lead, but otherwise good to go. I assume good faith on the non-English sources. CSJJ104 (talk) 17:55, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Hallo @CSJJ104:, your concern has been addressed: article moved to plural. Cheers, Alex2006 (talk) 14:20, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Alessandro57: Reading this with the recent additions, is the article intended to cover both buildings, or just the one? If it's covering both then possibly it should be moved to Praetoria of Constantinople, otherwise the article should make clear which building it covers. CSJJ104 (talk) 12:49, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on May 21
Voluntary war
- ... that in the Israelite traditional laws of armed conflict it was permissible for a Jewish soldier to forcibly have marital relations with a beautiful woman who had been taken captive?
- ALT1: ... that in the Israelite traditional laws of armed conflict it was permissible for a Jewish soldier to rape and forcibly marry a beautiful woman who had been made a prisoner of war?
- Source: Eisenstein, Judah D. (1970). A Digest of Jewish Laws and Customs - in Alphabetical Order (Ozar Dinim u-Minhagim) (in Hebrew). Tel-Aviv: Ḥ. mo. l. pp. 228–229 (s.v. מלחמה). OCLC 54817857.; Babylonian Talmud, Kiddushin 21b–22a
- Reviewed:
Davidbena (talk) 04:30, 21 May 2024 (UTC).
- Drive by comment: "forcibly have marital relations" should either be changed to "rape and forcibly marry" or attributed to a source, this is far too euphemistic to have in Wikipedia's voice. Rusalkii (talk) 05:03, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Okay, I'll make the change, although I do think that it is a bit too strong.Davidbena (talk) 11:44, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: I don't see how the word "rape" can be in the hook if it isn't in the article. I also think "traditional" may be misleading, unless they are still in effect or only recently stopped being active laws; if they haven't been in effect for hundreds or even thousands of years, then that should be clear as well. Note to Davidbena: rather than edit hooks in situ, please show any revised wordings as an alternate hook (i.e., ALT1, ALT2). I've done so to restore your original hook and show the requested revision as ALT1. Thanks. Also, don't forget to supply your QPQ review (see WP:QPQ); you're supposed to do so within seven days of nominating, and definitely within seven days of being reminded to do so. BlueMoonset (talk) 22:18, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- @BlueMoonset:, thanks for your comment. Sometimes it is common practice among writers to use "euphemisms" in Belles-lettres and in prose, rather than use a word having the exact same meaning, but viewed as repugnant (e.g. "to forcibly have marital relations" instead of writing "to rape"). Would it help if I put, in the article, the word "rape" in parentheses, immediately following the words "to forcibly have marital relations"? If so, an alternate reading of the hook can be this:
- ALT2: ... that in the Israelite traditional laws of armed conflict it was permissible for a Jewish soldier to forcibly have marital relations with (i.e. rape) a beautiful woman who had been made a prisoner of war?
- Done - Davidbena (talk) 22:25, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Alt3 (see below) is my preferred hook, as it clarifies everything. I will also go ahead and add "rape" in the main article. As for your question about use of the word "traditional," the word is still applicable today, since Jews in Israel recognize these ancient customs as being bona-fide Jewish traditions. They, in fact, could still be upheld today if we had an active Sanhedrin, which, in this case, we don't. Another option might simply be to write, instead of "traditional," the word "obsolete." This word, however, is tricky, because if the Sanhedrin were ever to be reinstated, these laws of warfare would still be applicable today. See, for example, Modern attempts to revive the Sanhedrin. Finally, I do not understand what you mean by saying that I must supply my QPQ review. Give me time to read-up on this.Davidbena (talk) 23:06, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- To the best of my knowledge, I have nominated four articles on "Did you know...", and this present article, if accepted, will be my fifth. The rules in WP:QPQ state that if I've nominated 5 or more articles, only then would I be required to work on the nomination of another person's DYK. I take that to mean that I can begin doing that now. Okay, no problem.Davidbena (talk) 23:35, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- @BlueMoonset:, I have begun the review process of the DYK article here.Davidbena (talk) 00:54, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- @BlueMoonset:, thanks for your comment. Sometimes it is common practice among writers to use "euphemisms" in Belles-lettres and in prose, rather than use a word having the exact same meaning, but viewed as repugnant (e.g. "to forcibly have marital relations" instead of writing "to rape"). Would it help if I put, in the article, the word "rape" in parentheses, immediately following the words "to forcibly have marital relations"? If so, an alternate reading of the hook can be this:
- Comment: I don't see how the word "rape" can be in the hook if it isn't in the article. I also think "traditional" may be misleading, unless they are still in effect or only recently stopped being active laws; if they haven't been in effect for hundreds or even thousands of years, then that should be clear as well. Note to Davidbena: rather than edit hooks in situ, please show any revised wordings as an alternate hook (i.e., ALT1, ALT2). I've done so to restore your original hook and show the requested revision as ALT1. Thanks. Also, don't forget to supply your QPQ review (see WP:QPQ); you're supposed to do so within seven days of nominating, and definitely within seven days of being reminded to do so. BlueMoonset (talk) 22:18, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Okay, I'll make the change, although I do think that it is a bit too strong.Davidbena (talk) 11:44, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- @BlueMoonset: and @Rusalkii:, this is to remind you that I have just concluded the work on another author's DYK (see Talk:Architects' Tombs), in order to qualify for approval of my own DYK. Hope that things can be expedited here.Davidbena (talk) 22:25, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- ALT3: ... that in the Israelite traditional laws of armed conflict it was permissible for a Jewish soldier to rape and forcibly have marital relations with a beautiful woman who had been made a prisoner of war? The Talmud (Kiddushin 21b) calls this act a concession to man's evil inclination.
- Full review needed now that QPQ has been submitted. BlueMoonset (talk) 14:57, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- This feels like a walking time bomb and shouldn't be run. At least, as long as we're rejecting Template:Did you know nominations/Animal stereotypes of Jews in Palestinian discourse. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 16:53, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- I, personally, would not draw a connection between the article that you mentioned above and this article, here, for the very reason that this article speaks about the laws of warfare in ancient Israel, at a time when there used to be a Sanhedrin. A brief reminder of Wikipedia guidelines for DYK state: "Successful hooks tend to have several traits. Most importantly, they share a surprising or intriguing fact. They give readers enough context to understand the hook, but leave enough out to make them want to learn more. They are written for a general audience who has no prior knowledge of or interest in the topic area" (End Quote). Davidbena (talk) 21:53, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- It's certainly interesting – and as someone who was raised Orthodox Jewish herself, I'm well aware of the anachronism. Most people aren't, though, and at the end of the day, it's not about what's exactly said – it's about what message people think we're trying to send by choosing to run certain hooks. Sadly, I remain opposed to an otherwise fine-looking hook. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 04:41, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Theleekycauldron:, would it at all help if we added the caveat that, according to Jewish law (Talmud, Sanhedrin 59a), the laws pertaining to a ‘beautiful captive woman’ apply only to the men of Israel, but do not apply to gentile soldiers? In this sense, women are still protected under the laws of the UN against rape and other forms of sexual violence committed by soldiers of the occupying forces (The Third Geneva Convention of 1949 [in Articles 13 to 16]).[1] While unto the men of Israel, the laws bequeathed to them by their forefathers are immutable,[2] without the Sanhedrin, this law would not apply today. And even when it did apply, the concession was made only after the fact that, in warfare, a soldier would have given vent to his passions anyway, whether he was allowed to do so or not, and the Torah wanted the men of Israel to be blameless, therefore, it excused the first act of passion. The conceptual-jurisprudential question that may be asked by students of International law is whether or not these laws pertain only to the inner circle of Jews when it comes to conquest by war, or can we say that these laws apply also to the Gentiles although they do not see themselves related to the Jewish law, as they have no access to it, nor do they have any say in the matter. In reply to this question the answer is, unequivocally, "No, they do not apply to non-Israelite armies". Davidbena (talk) 15:02, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- It's certainly interesting – and as someone who was raised Orthodox Jewish herself, I'm well aware of the anachronism. Most people aren't, though, and at the end of the day, it's not about what's exactly said – it's about what message people think we're trying to send by choosing to run certain hooks. Sadly, I remain opposed to an otherwise fine-looking hook. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 04:41, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- I, personally, would not draw a connection between the article that you mentioned above and this article, here, for the very reason that this article speaks about the laws of warfare in ancient Israel, at a time when there used to be a Sanhedrin. A brief reminder of Wikipedia guidelines for DYK state: "Successful hooks tend to have several traits. Most importantly, they share a surprising or intriguing fact. They give readers enough context to understand the hook, but leave enough out to make them want to learn more. They are written for a general audience who has no prior knowledge of or interest in the topic area" (End Quote). Davidbena (talk) 21:53, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- This feels like a walking time bomb and shouldn't be run. At least, as long as we're rejecting Template:Did you know nominations/Animal stereotypes of Jews in Palestinian discourse. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 16:53, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
References
- ^ Gardam, Judith; Charlesworth, Hilary (2000). "Protection of Women in Armed Conflict". Human Rights Quarterly. 22 (1). The Johns Hopkins University Press: 157 (note 55). JSTOR 4489270.
- ^ Bleich, J. David; Jacobson, Arthur J. (2012). "The Jewish legal tradition". In Mauro Bussani; Ugo Mattei (eds.). The Cambridge Companion to Comparative Law. Cambridge University Press. doi:10.1017/CBO9781139017206.017.
Judaism is fundamentally a religion of law, a law that governs every facet of the human condition. Jewish tradition maintains that the Torah – the first five books of the Bible that include the Written Law transmitted by Moses at Mount Sinai as well as the Oral Law accompanying it – contains not merely a set of laws, but also canons of interpretation and principles according to which conflicts among the rules of law may be resolved. Maimonides, the pre-eminent early medieval philosopher and expounder of the Torah, records the doctrine that the Torah will not be altered, either in its entirety or in part, as one of the Thirteen Principles of Faith. The divine nature of the Torah renders it immutable and hence not subject to amendment or modification.
- @DYK admins: , Your views on this, please.Davidbena (talk) 18:21, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Considering current world-context, I think the hook is a no-go; if a less controversial hook could be found, that would be better. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 10:10, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- @AirshipJungleman29: Okay, since that makes two people here that hold to that view, I would be willing to change the hook to read as follows:
- Considering current world-context, I think the hook is a no-go; if a less controversial hook could be found, that would be better. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 10:10, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- ALT4: ... that in the Israelite traditional laws of armed conflict it was permissible for a religious Jewish soldier to abandon the Kosher dietary laws of the Jewish nation and to eat Terefah (non-Kosher foods) when engaged in warfare and there was Kosher food scarcity?
- Source: Eisenstein, Judah D. (1970). A Digest of Jewish Laws and Customs - in Alphabetical Order (Ozar Dinim u-Minhagim) (in Hebrew). Tel-Aviv: Ḥ. mo. l. pp. 228–229 (s.v. מלחמה). OCLC 54817857.; Maimonides (2016). Mishneh Torah by Moses Maimonides (Book of Shoftim) (in Hebrew). Vol. 14. Jerusalem; Bnei Brak: Shabse Frankel. p. 269 (Hil. Melekhim 8:1). OCLC 989980005.
-Davidbena (talk) 16:07, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Far too long (see WP:DYK200) and rather repetitive. Also, parentheses aren't allowed in a hook. Significant trimming or a new hook needed. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 18:11, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- @AirshipJungleman29:, Okay, I'll reword the hook. How does this one sound?
- ALT5: ... that in the Israelite traditional laws of armed conflict it was permissible for a Jewish soldier to abandon the Kosher dietary laws and to eat non-Kosher foods during war?
- Source: Eisenstein, Judah D. (1970). A Digest of Jewish Laws and Customs - in Alphabetical Order (Ozar Dinim u-Minhagim) (in Hebrew). Tel-Aviv: Ḥ. mo. l. pp. 228–229 (s.v. מלחמה). OCLC 54817857.; Maimonides (2016). Mishneh Torah by Moses Maimonides (Book of Shoftim) (in Hebrew). Vol. 14. Jerusalem; Bnei Brak: Shabse Frankel. p. 269 (Hil. Melekhim 8:1). OCLC 989980005.
-Davidbena (talk) 19:35, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- How about adding some intrigue to this: ALT5a: ... that in certain circumstances Jewish soldiers may abandon Kosher dietary laws?--Launchballer 13:36, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Launchballer:, Yes, of course, that is an excellent idea! People will click onto the link right away!Davidbena (talk) 23:28, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Are these the only circumstances in which abandoning the kosher laws is permitted? If not, the link becomes rather MOS:EGGy. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 16:59, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- @AirshipJungleman29:, these are extenuating circumstances. The only other time when Jews can eat non-Kosher foods, including ordinary people that are not soldiers, is when they are faced with famine and if they do not eat the non-Kosher animal they would surely die of starvation. In all commandments a Jew may transgress in order to save his own life, except in three things: 1) to murder someone; 2) to worship idolatry; and 3) to engage in a forbidden sexual act.Davidbena (talk) 17:51, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Would ALT5b: ... that there is a circumstance in which Jewish soldiers may abandon Kosher dietary laws? solve the problem?--Launchballer 22:10, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Launchballer:, Yes, that is a better way of wording it.Davidbena (talk) 17:54, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Are these the only circumstances in which abandoning the kosher laws is permitted? If not, the link becomes rather MOS:EGGy. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 16:59, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Launchballer:, Yes, of course, that is an excellent idea! People will click onto the link right away!Davidbena (talk) 23:28, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- How about adding some intrigue to this: ALT5a: ... that in certain circumstances Jewish soldiers may abandon Kosher dietary laws?--Launchballer 13:36, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- I still prefer this DYK over all the rest:
- ALT6: ... that there is a circumstance in which it was permissible for Jewish soldiers to abandon the Kosher dietary laws and to eat non-Kosher foods?Davidbena (talk) 18:02, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Davidbena, ALT6 only works if it is no longer permissible today under any circumstances. Also, the hook wording is a bit convoluted and unnecessarily lengthy. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:46, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- @BlueMoonset:, as I said, there are other instances where a Jew is permitted to eat non-Kosher foods, such as when he is faced with a choice between life and death; life if he eats the non-Kosher food, and death from famine if he declines it. I think that we have remedied the problem by simply saying "there is a circumstance," which does NOT exclude all other circumstances. You see, it still works. Am I missing something? As for making the DYK more concise and less wordy, we can do so. I'll work on it. How does this sound? ALT7: ... that there is a rare circumstance in which it was permissible for Jewish soldiers to abandon the Kosher dietary laws? ---Davidbena (talk) 13:20, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- What is your opinion of ALT5b BlueMoonset?--Launchballer 08:00, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- I don't see any objection to ALT5b. However, since ALT7 still uses "was permissible" which implies it isn't permissible any longer; as far as I can tell from the article, it's still permissible as of the present day, so I don't understand why "was" is in the ALT7 hook. For that matter, the entire phrase "it was permissible for" could be removed entirely and "are allowed" inserted before "to" (which is very similar to ALT5b):
- ALT7a: ... that there is a rare circumstance in which Jewish soldiers are allowed to abandon the Kosher dietary laws?
- —BlueMoonset (talk) 04:04, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- @BlueMoonset:, I have no objection to ALT7a, and the only reason why I worded the former DYK as "was permitted", rather than "is permitted," is because the laws governing a Voluntary war in Israel only pertain to when there is an active Sanhedrin. Since there is no Sanhedrin today, the entire body of laws governing such a war do not apply today. The matter is merely a technical issue.Davidbena (talk) 18:35, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- I don't see any objection to ALT5b. However, since ALT7 still uses "was permissible" which implies it isn't permissible any longer; as far as I can tell from the article, it's still permissible as of the present day, so I don't understand why "was" is in the ALT7 hook. For that matter, the entire phrase "it was permissible for" could be removed entirely and "are allowed" inserted before "to" (which is very similar to ALT5b):
- Davidbena, ALT6 only works if it is no longer permissible today under any circumstances. Also, the hook wording is a bit convoluted and unnecessarily lengthy. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:46, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- ALT6: ... that there is a circumstance in which it was permissible for Jewish soldiers to abandon the Kosher dietary laws and to eat non-Kosher foods?Davidbena (talk) 18:02, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on May 26
Articles created/expanded on May 27
Kaur (short film)
- ... that in the British short film Kaur, a Sikh father does not approve of his daughter wearing a turban?
- Source: ""Kaur" told the story of a Sikh woman who chose to defy her father's wishes by wearing a turban."...[4]
- Reviewed: William Post
- Comment: Still have a bit more work to do on it
Whispyhistory (talk) 05:57, 3 June 2024 (UTC).
- A new hook has to be proposed as the current one does not meet WP:DYKFICTION. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:47, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- ALT1... that the British short film Kaur (2022), toured Gurudwaras, festivals and universities in the UK before appearing on ITVX, BritBox and then Netflix? Whispyhistory (talk) 06:22, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- I'm still not so sure if this works either. @Launchballer: What do you think? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:26, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Parentheses aren't allowed per WP:DYK200, and I think 'ITVX, Britbox and then Netflix' is pure namedropping (and it should really be 'Britbox, and'). I'll take a look when I get back, but I'd be inclined to take a rewritten version of ALT1, like so: ALT1a: ... that prior to appearing on video-on-demand services, the 2022 short film Kaur had toured festivals, universities, and gurdwaras? Also, is there a difference between 'gurdwara' and 'gurudwara'?--Launchballer 11:25, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- I just had a flick through the references. Per ref #3, there's a hook in some variant of ... that Dr Parvinder Shergill became so fed up of waiting for another film to be led by a Sikh woman that she co-wrote and co-produced her own?.--Launchballer 14:42, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you both... I'll work on it... sounds good. Whispyhistory (talk) 16:13, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- I just had a flick through the references. Per ref #3, there's a hook in some variant of ... that Dr Parvinder Shergill became so fed up of waiting for another film to be led by a Sikh woman that she co-wrote and co-produced her own?.--Launchballer 14:42, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Parentheses aren't allowed per WP:DYK200, and I think 'ITVX, Britbox and then Netflix' is pure namedropping (and it should really be 'Britbox, and'). I'll take a look when I get back, but I'd be inclined to take a rewritten version of ALT1, like so: ALT1a: ... that prior to appearing on video-on-demand services, the 2022 short film Kaur had toured festivals, universities, and gurdwaras? Also, is there a difference between 'gurdwara' and 'gurudwara'?--Launchballer 11:25, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- I'm still not so sure if this works either. @Launchballer: What do you think? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:26, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- ALT2... that British Sikh physician Parvinder Shergill could not find a recent mainstream English film led by a woman that looked like her so she co-wrote and co-produced her own?Actor, writer and producer Parvinder Shergill...she's had to wait too long to see movies featuring women who look like her....Bend it like Beckham, 20 years ago, was the last mainstream film to feature women from her background...She co-wrote and co-produced it ...[5][6] Whispyhistory (talk) 13:59, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Reads a bit breathless. I'm going to suggest:
- ALT2a... that after British Sikh physician Parvinder Shergill could not find a recent mainstream English film led by a woman that looked like her, she co-wrote and co-produced her own?
- ...and call for a full reviewer.--Launchballer 21:10, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
Croton alabamensis
- ... that the Alabama croton is related to plants found in Cuba and is cultivated at the Mt. Cuba Center in Delaware?
- Source: X, 1034436770698604544: "Alabama croton, with its silvery undersides on its foliage, balances out this late summer arrangement. Croton alabamensis var. alabamensis is found in the wild in just a few counties in Alabama. We have some specimens planted along our Main Drive,", "C. alabamensis emerges alone on a long branch that is sister to Croton section Corylocroton and the Cuban endemic genus Moacroton", Molecular Ecology (2006) 15, 2735–2751
- ALT1: ... that the two varieties of Alabama croton are separated by more than 1,000 kilometres (620 mi)? Source: "In a surprising discovery in 1989, C. alabamensis was found in central Texas, more than 1000 km from the Alabama populations" Molecular Ecology (2006) 15, 2735–2751
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Drew Thomas
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- Cited: - For ALT0, Twitter/X is generally not a reliable source, and the other citation for the plant being at the Mt. Cuba Center in the article fails verification. For ALT1, the source given in the nomination is different to the one in the article (Southwestern Rare and Endangered Plants Proceedings of the Second Conference), and both are offline so I can't check.
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Overall: Thanks for doing a QPQ even though you didn't have to! The one problem is the hook citing - due to the citation given for ALT1 being different to the one used for that fact in the article with both being offline, I don't think I can give this an AGF pass. If you either add the Molecular Ecology source to the statement in the article or provide the relevant quote from Southwestern Rare and Endangered Plants Proceedings of the Second Conference, I think I can pass ALT1 (but not ALT0). Suntooooth, it/he (talk/contribs) 02:04, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on May 29
Rhapsody (climb)
... that when first climbed in 2006, Rhapsody became the first-ever E11-graded traditional rock climbing route?
- Reviewed:
Aszx5000 (talk) 19:20, 2 June 2024 (UTC).
- Not really sure if this particular hook fact or wording is the best option here. It's really reliant on specialist information, specifically a grade of rock climbing that isn't even a universal or international one. My suggestion would be, if possible, to propose a hook that could be easily understood even by non-rock climbers. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 14:18, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- How about "... that when first climbed in 2006, Rhapsody was the hardest traditional climbing route in the world?", with sourcing here Last year he succeeded in making what is generally recognised as the world's hardest 'traditional' climb, Rhapsody, on Dumbarton Rock from the BBC, and Rhapsody is officially known as the world's hardest traditional rock climb from Telegraph. Aszx5000 (talk) 15:14, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- That's a much better hook. This is ready for a full review. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 22:28, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: I am doing a GA review of this article. If passed, I would recommend passing the DYK hook as well. xq 11:42, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- 48JCL, please note that the GA reviewer may not also review the DYK nomination. Different reviewers are required per DYK rules. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:18, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- @BlueMoonset: sorry, that is not what I meant for my comment to go for. I meant to say that a spotcheck was not needed as I did one in the GAR. 48JCL 13:49, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- 48JCL, even so, that's still not appropriate. The DYK reviewer needs to do their own checking independent of the GA review, and should take nothing for granted by the fact that it achieved GA status or that some other reviewer approved parts of its review. There have been some GAs that ended up being delisted based on significant issues found by the subsequent DYK reviewer. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:44, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- @BlueMoonset: sorry, that is not what I meant for my comment to go for. I meant to say that a spotcheck was not needed as I did one in the GAR. 48JCL 13:49, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- 48JCL, please note that the GA reviewer may not also review the DYK nomination. Different reviewers are required per DYK rules. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:18, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: I am doing a GA review of this article. If passed, I would recommend passing the DYK hook as well. xq 11:42, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- That's a much better hook. This is ready for a full review. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 22:28, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- How about "... that when first climbed in 2006, Rhapsody was the hardest traditional climbing route in the world?", with sourcing here Last year he succeeded in making what is generally recognised as the world's hardest 'traditional' climb, Rhapsody, on Dumbarton Rock from the BBC, and Rhapsody is officially known as the world's hardest traditional rock climb from Telegraph. Aszx5000 (talk) 15:14, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Full review needed now that new hook has been submitted. BlueMoonset (talk) 21:51, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on May 30
Felix Eberty
- ... that the 1846 book The Stars and World History by Felix Eberty, which contemplated a faraway observer seeing "the earth at this moment as it existed at the time of Abraham", inspired a young Albert Einstein?
- Source: "By the time that Felix Eberty, a German jurist and amateur astronomer, anonymously published “The Stars and World History,” in 1846, it was well known that light had a finite speed... Eberty was particularly fascinated by what this delay meant for a faraway observer of our planet. Perched on a distant star, he wrote, such a person might “see the earth at this moment as it existed at the time of Abraham.” Furthermore, by hopscotching across the cosmos, “he will be able to represent to himself, as rapidly as he pleases, that moment in the world’s history which he wishes to observe at leisure.” Eberty had witnessed great gains in the speed of transportation and communication during his lifetime, and he believed that humanity might soon be travelling even faster than light.
Among the impressionable young Germans who read Eberty and Bernstein was one named Albert Einstein."
The New YorkerThriley (talk) 21:39, 6 June 2024 (UTC).
- The article is sufficiently long and new, has citations throughout, and appears to be written neutrally. I AGF on offline and German language sources. QPQ is done. There is some trouble in the references with a citation template, and then there's the matter of the hook. The hook says Eberty "inspired" Einstein, but the above quote does not verify that, only that Einstein read Eberty. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:00, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- ALT1... that the 1846 book The Stars and World History by Felix Eberty, which contemplated a faraway observer seeing "the earth at this moment as it existed at the time of Abraham", was read by a young Albert Einstein? Thriley (talk) 18:19, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
Erdős–Moser equation
- ... that all solutions of the Erdős–Moser equation correspond to convergents of ln(2), yielding "one of very few instances where a large scale computation of a numerical constant has an application"?
- ALT1: ... that the only known solution to the Erdős–Moser equation is 1 + 2 = 3?
- Source: [7]
- Reviewed:
LucasBrown 11:35, 30 May 2024 (UTC).
- Pinging David Eppstein if he could contribute to the nomination (either as a reviewer or to suggest hooks) as the current hook seems very specialist or complex and thus may not be easily understood by general readership. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:54, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- I'll also note that the article would be better with a bit more prose to contextualize what is going on here. Currently the article itself is very inaccessible to the average reader, it would be nice to have a background of why this equation is important (I see the term "Diophantine equation" being used, maybe you could include a few sentences on how this relates to the article) and some prose (as opposed to proofs) to convey the methods being used to solve it. Sohom (talk) 01:10, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- According to our DYK rules, "Hooks should be likely to be perceived as unusual or intriguing by readers with no special knowledge or interest". I don't think that is the case for the proposed hook. Also, I think the hook is misleading: as far as we know, it could be the case that all solutions of the equation are the single solution 1+2=3, unrelated to the log(2) calculation. And calling this an "application" is dubious when it is just a mathematical calculation used to support another mathematical calculation. I have generally interpreted this rule as requiring that the hook connect the subject to some real-world topic beyond mathematics (just as we require that hooks about fiction connect the subject to some real-world topic beyond the plot). Unfortunately I see no non-mathematics at all in the article, on which to build a hook. It's kind of interesting to me that the known lower bound on a second solution is such a huge number, but I don't think I represent a general reader for this purpose. I do also agree that the walls of equations make the article hard to read (not just to the average reader), but that is not really a DYK criterion. —David Eppstein (talk) 01:22, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- I'll also note that the article would be better with a bit more prose to contextualize what is going on here. Currently the article itself is very inaccessible to the average reader, it would be nice to have a background of why this equation is important (I see the term "Diophantine equation" being used, maybe you could include a few sentences on how this relates to the article) and some prose (as opposed to proofs) to convey the methods being used to solve it. Sohom (talk) 01:10, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- To be honest, as a non-math guy, this hook is remarkably uninteresting. Though that is obviously my opinion, it shows that it is likely not a suitable one, or the article as a whole as a matter of a fact. TheBritinator (talk) 01:43, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- How about "... that the only known solution for the Erdős–Moser equation is "1 + 2 = 3" ? DS (talk) 21:21, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- I think it's better. It still doesn't relate to non-mathematics at all, but at least it's (1) at a level understandable to the general reader, and (2) kind of intriguing how something so basic-looking as 1+2=3 could be the basis of something where we don't know if there is another solution. The question is whether it's enough better to pass the interestingness test. —David Eppstein (talk) 21:27, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- I also think that's better. I was going to suggest something like "... no one knows whether the Erdős–Moser equation has more than one solution". XOR'easter (talk) 22:12, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- I have added the 1+2=3 hook to the list. - LucasBrown 04:07, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- ALT1 is brilliant! Schwede66 04:00, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- How about "... that the only known solution for the Erdős–Moser equation is "1 + 2 = 3" ? DS (talk) 21:21, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- To be honest, as a non-math guy, this hook is remarkably uninteresting. Though that is obviously my opinion, it shows that it is likely not a suitable one, or the article as a whole as a matter of a fact. TheBritinator (talk) 01:43, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Full review needed now that additional hooks have been suggested. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:53, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on June 2
David Fishwick
... that David Fishwick became the biggest minibus supplier in Britain after finding he could not afford a chip butty for lunch?Source: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/fame-fortune/like-big-banks-hate-do-nothing-help-public/- ALT1: ... that David Fishwick founded "Bank on Dave" after big banks abruptly stopped lending his customers money? Source: https://www.theguardian.com/money/2012/jul/06/bank-of-dave-small-business-finance-dave-fishwick
- ALT2: ... that David Fishwick presented the 2018 Channel 4 series How to Get Rich Quick? Source: https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/tv-radio-web/how-to-get-rich-quick-can-you-hear-it-ka-ching-1.3574894
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Toro de fuego
Launchballer 12:01, 2 June 2024 (UTC).
- Will be reviewing this. 🌙Eclipse (talk) (contribs) 13:06, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
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Overall: Good to go! 🌙Eclipse (talk) (contribs) 21:49, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- I call false positive as that quote is fully attributed and therefore not a copyright violation.--Launchballer 22:19, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Approving ALT0. 🌙Eclipse (talk) (contribs) 22:32, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- pulled at request of nominator. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 22:04, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- For context, The Times published a piece yesterday morning that directly contradicted my hook, which meant it wasn't accurate (he could afford a chip butty, just a slightly smaller one than usual). I also noticed that the Telegraph did not mention lunch, probably because it was in fact dinner. I will propose some more hooks later, but for now, I got severely carried away expanding the article, meaning that around only three eighths of this has actually been reviewed. This will definitely require a new reviewer. (Incidentally, that "Fighting Against the Elite" video is actually Creative Commons, so I have uploaded it to this nomination.)--Launchballer 20:04, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- ALT3: ... that David Fishwick went from a £27.50 a week pebbledashing job to becoming the biggest minibus supplier in Britain?
- ALT4: ... that David Fishwick used to stuff his wallet with paper to appear richer to prospective sellers?
- ALT5: ... that David Fishwick married his wife after she told him his music was rubbish?
- ALT6: ... that David Fishwick decided he no longer wanted to be poor following an incident involving a chip butty?
- ALT7: ... that a Times reviewer of Channel 4's Bank of Dave opined that David Fishwick "could have been one of the best comedy characters of 2012"?
- ... and if "200 characters" wasn't a thing, I'd propose "that David Fishwick's How to Get Rich Quick "encourages people of modest means to pursue equally modest dreams in the very modest hopes, several weeks of hard work later, of doubling their modest investments"?.--Launchballer 10:15, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- ALT8: ... that when a writer contacted David Fishwick to express interest in making a film about his bank, he insisted that it was shot in Burnley?--Launchballer 13:27, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- For context, The Times published a piece yesterday morning that directly contradicted my hook, which meant it wasn't accurate (he could afford a chip butty, just a slightly smaller one than usual). I also noticed that the Telegraph did not mention lunch, probably because it was in fact dinner. I will propose some more hooks later, but for now, I got severely carried away expanding the article, meaning that around only three eighths of this has actually been reviewed. This will definitely require a new reviewer. (Incidentally, that "Fighting Against the Elite" video is actually Creative Commons, so I have uploaded it to this nomination.)--Launchballer 20:04, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on June 3
Over the Hill with the Swords of a Thousand Men (The Boys episode)
- ... that writers for "Over the Hill with the Swords of a Thousand Men" researched the experiments of Nikola Tesla for the use of Stormfront's lightning in the episode?
- Reviewed:
TarheelBornBred (talk) 17:48, 6 June 2024 (UTC).
- Passerby comment (this is not a full review, feel free for others to take this nomination to review): to a reader without context not familiar with characters in the show, "Stormfront's lightning" will read weirdly, like a misspelled comment on the brightness of the Stormfront website. "Researched" is also a bit high-falutin', it's not like they actually did some physics research for the episode - the source quotes them as saying "we looked at Nikola Tesla". Maybe something like:
- ALT1: that writers for "Over the Hill with the Swords of a Thousand Men" were inspired by the experiments of Nikola Tesla for depicting a lightning attack in the episode?
- ALT2: that writers for the episode "Over the Hill with the Swords of a Thousand Men" were inspired by the experiments of Nikola Tesla for depicting a lightning attack used by the malicious superheroine Stormfront?
- ALT2 includes Stormfront still if desired, but clarifies that it's talking about a character not the website. SnowFire (talk) 03:37, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
Inauguration of Lai Ching-te
- ... that China launched a joint military exercise in response to Lai Ching-te's inauguration?
- Source: AP
- ALT1: ... that members of the Kuomintang refused to attend Lai Ching-te's inauguration after losing by 10 percent? Source: Radio Taiwan International
- Reviewed:
- Comment: First time here at DYK, please correct me if I make any mistakes, thanks!
'''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 06:14, 6 June 2024 (UTC).
- It looks like this meets the DYK requirements as far as length and timing. The sources look good. I'm not too familiar with Wikipedia's approach to this topic area, but have you reviewed Wikipedia:Manual of Style/China- and Chinese-related articles? I don't personally see any issues but I wanted to at least do my diligence. Once we figure that out, each hook should also add a little more context for the average reader, explaining a bit more of the who / where. Shooterwalker (talk) 20:24, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- @CanonNi: Please address the above. Z1720 (talk) 15:26, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Z1720:, thanks for the ping. Honestly, I kinda forgot about this nomination... @Shooterwalker: thanks for the feedback. I've reviewed the MOS and think that the article and hook meet the guidlines and would be happy to fix any mistakes. About the context, I agree, so maybe we could change it to something like "...that China launched a military exercise in response to the inauguration of Lai Ching-te as president of Taiwan? '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 10:09, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Let's go with the hook as you rewrote it:
- ALT1a: "... ...that China launched a military exercise in response to the inauguration of Lai Ching-te as president of Taiwan?".
- I don't see any other issues. Shooterwalker (talk) 23:20, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on June 6
Articles created/expanded on June 7
Scybalium fungiforme
- ... that the flowers of Scybalium fungiforme are covered in sharp scales that require opossums, with their opposable claws, to tear them open?
- Source: "Today, scientists have added another oddity to the list. Researchers had long suspected that because the female flowers of S. fungiforme are covered in hard scales that shield its nectar, it couldn't be pollinated by a bird or bee. And now, thanks to night vision cameras, scientists have their culprit: opossums." Shultz, David (12 February 2020). "Caught in the act: Opossums pollinate bizarre parasitic plant". Science. American Association for the Advancement of Science. doi:10.1126/science.abb2822. Retrieved 7 June 2024.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Esther Tailfeathers
- Comment: If there are any alternative wordings for the hook, I would be very much welcome to hear it! It is a very interesting plant that I believe would make a great hook. Thank you in advance to the reviewer for taking their time reading through this article!
Ornithoptera (talk) 21:06, 7 June 2024 (UTC).
- Starting Review--Kevmin § 17:02, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Article new enough and long enough. The sections are all cited, and sources are all of good quality and neutrally represented. The description section is a little close to the translated source text and should be massaged into smoother flowing prose. As an alternative to hook, you could go with
- Alt1 ... that the primary pollinators of the parasitic Scybalium fungiforme plant (pictured) are saruê possums?--Kevmin § 16:30, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Hi @Kevmin:! Thank you for taking the time to read through the article,
and I will definitely take into account your suggestion in a moment(just reworded in accordance to your suggestion, if you have any more suggestions to help with the flow, you are welcome to share them!). I appreciate the alternative hook, but to me it feels a bit dry. I would like to emphasize in the hook how the flowers are torn open by possums. Matter of factly telling people that an animal pollinates plants (both of which they might not know) feel a bit dry to those who are not familiar with plant pollination. To folks who are familiar with pollination, knowing that mammals pollinate flowers is an uncommon pollination method and thus interesting, but its too niche to be hook-y to me. Including the idea that the flowers are essentially hidden away until they are torn open could be quite interesting to someone unfamiliar with the subject area. Ornithoptera (talk) 19:29, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Ornithoptera: I can respect that. With the original hook, its long feeling, we should be looking to streamline it. None of the sources used so far have called the inflorescence scales "sharp", as a note. The Amorim et al 2020 paper specifically uses the terms "scrap and remove" and "desquamate" so maybe going with a peeling analogy. Also did you see there is a Dec 2002 paper also lead by Amorim which details bat visitation to the flowers doi:10.1002/ecy.3935 and documents two possum species and a second major scale removing group in the ruby-crowned tanager, Tachyphonus coronatus?--Kevmin § 20:21, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Alt2...that before they can be pollinated, flowers of Scybalium fungiforme need to be forcefully peeled open by possums or tanagers?
- @Kevmin: Hi! I did not! Fascinating resource though! It sounds like a much improved hook, and I didn't notice that article while I was doing my research! You are very much welcome to insert it into the article, but it sounds good to me! Ornithoptera (talk) 20:57, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Kevmin: Hi! I haven't heard from you in a bit ever since I had replied last so I wanted to hear your thoughts on the matter and continue with the review? Ornithoptera (talk) 20:32, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Hi @Kevmin:! Thank you for taking the time to read through the article,
- Sorry about the lack of replies, Life got hectic with a burst water heater. If you want me to add the last source, I can do it, but that means adding me to the nom as a contributor and asking for a full review from an uninvolved editor. It would be easier for you to do an update to the article with paper #2 and I can then verify the alt hook and check the nom as good to go.--Kevmin § 16:54, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Ornithoptera: which of these two options would you prefer to pursue?--Kevmin § 18:27, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Kevmin: Hey, sorry, frankly I read the response in my head and forgot to respond entirely, my apologies. My sincerest apologies in regards to what's been going on in your life at the moment and thank you for taking the time out of your schedule to review the DYK nomination regardless. I hope it is resolved as soon as possible and hoping the best for you and anyone else who is affected. I will choose the easier option and update the article myself. Thank you for informing me that the option I had suggested would lead to that, I didn't know that would happen. I'll do my best to update the article later today and ping you once I have completed it! Ornithoptera (talk) 21:29, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Ornithoptera: No worries, the larger life things resolved over the past week and I have more free time again (plus insidious temps outside so more reason to be inside writing :D ). Its in the subrules for DYK so may contributors don't know about it until the specific senarios present themselves. Basically as soon as a reviewer provides anything more then cosmetic edits to a nominated article they are considered a nominator and not a reviewer and thus a new review is needed with a non-nominator. I dont mind doing the update if you would like me too, mostly it will mean the nomination gets punted back and we wait for another reviewer to vet our combined work.--Kevmin § 22:58, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Kevmin: Howdy! I just completed the addition per your suggestions, I'll take a further look through this article in the next few days but the requisite information has been added to the article to bring it up to par with the new hook. I would like to express my appreciation for your patience and it's been an absolute pleasure working with you on this article! I hope we can work together again in the future! Ornithoptera (talk) 01:46, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Ornithoptera: No worries, the larger life things resolved over the past week and I have more free time again (plus insidious temps outside so more reason to be inside writing :D ). Its in the subrules for DYK so may contributors don't know about it until the specific senarios present themselves. Basically as soon as a reviewer provides anything more then cosmetic edits to a nominated article they are considered a nominator and not a reviewer and thus a new review is needed with a non-nominator. I dont mind doing the update if you would like me too, mostly it will mean the nomination gets punted back and we wait for another reviewer to vet our combined work.--Kevmin § 22:58, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Kevmin: Hey, sorry, frankly I read the response in my head and forgot to respond entirely, my apologies. My sincerest apologies in regards to what's been going on in your life at the moment and thank you for taking the time out of your schedule to review the DYK nomination regardless. I hope it is resolved as soon as possible and hoping the best for you and anyone else who is affected. I will choose the easier option and update the article myself. Thank you for informing me that the option I had suggested would lead to that, I didn't know that would happen. I'll do my best to update the article later today and ping you once I have completed it! Ornithoptera (talk) 21:29, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
Better Off Dead?
- ... that a reviewer called a documentary on assisted suicide "so funny"? Source: "What I wasn't expecting was for it to be quite so funny." Better Off Dead review – a powerful (and funny) case against assisted dying
- ALT0a: ... that a reviewer did not expect a documentary on assisted suicide to be so funny?
- ALT1: ... that a reviewer said that Better Off Dead? "unnerves you so much you half-wish you hadn't seen it"? Source: "Every so often, a documentary comes along that unnerves you so much you half-wish you hadn't seen it." The week in TV: Better Off Dead?; Bridgerton; The Gathering; The Big Cigar – review
- ALT2: ... that in Better Off Dead?, there is an automated hotline for assisted suicide? Source: "We hear the automated voice message on the 24-hour Maid hotline that those seeking to die can call." Better Off Dead? review – Liz Carr’s blistering film may well change your mind about assisted dying
- Reviewed: Grant Hermanns
Sdrqaz (talk) 03:12, 7 June 2024 (UTC).
- no issues with the article. original hook is bad, taking a quote out of context. alt1 is boring. alt2 is confusing, and made me think that there was a hotline you could call in the documentary. ltbdl (talk) 02:07, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Rating this article as a Start seems ... pretty low (is it
"developing but still quite incomplete"
?). If I may be frank, this review is seems a little harsh. ALT0 was not taken out of context: the reviewer is saying that the documentary was funny, no (see the quote)? I don't know how to address the charge of ALT1 being boring (I thought that something being unnerving and making a reviewer regret watching was interesting), and as for ALT2, I don't really follow: I believe that they did call the hotline in the documentary. Sdrqaz (talk) 14:54, 12 June 2024 (UTC)- of course the review is harsh, this is going on the main page. as for alt2, the wording is unclear. perhaps say something like "they call an automated hotline"? ltbdl (talk) 16:35, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- I've added ALT0a, which hopefully addresses the concern of
"original hook is bad, taking a quote out of context"
, given that it is the same formulation as the source. Sdrqaz (talk) 22:58, 19 June 2024 (UTC)- My 2c: I'd paraphrase so funny to hilarious instead of writing it in Wikipedia's voice; see MOS:QUOTEPOV. Nineteen Ninety-Four guy (talk) 12:16, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Nineteen Ninety-Four guy and Ltbdl: My interpretation of QUOTEPOV was that attribution was preferred in this instance as
"Concise opinions that are not overly emotive can often be reported with attribution instead of direct quotation"
(second paragraph). Sdrqaz (talk) 23:55, 25 June 2024 (UTC)- Right, which is why it should be directly attributed to The Times instead of referring to the publication as merely the reviewer, and so funny should neither be quoted nor written in Wiki's voice since it creates POV issues either way:
- ALT0b: ... that a reviewer did not expect a documentary on assisted suicide would be that hilarious?
- hilarious should be neutral enough with attribution to the source, IMO. Nineteen Ninety-Four guy (talk) 06:07, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Nineteen Ninety-Four guy and Ltbdl: I don't understand how hilarious is more neutral than funny, given that funny seems like a
not overly emotive ... simple descriptive term
. I also do not think that it is necessary to mention which source that is in the hook, given that it goes against much of established practice – if you see theleekycauldron's essay (and its application of WP:WEASEL), the addition of "a reviewer" is already more than what is necessary. Sdrqaz (talk) 01:28, 4 July 2024 (UTC)- @Sdrqaz: Except the reviewer didn't just say funny but so funny, which is near-synonymous with hilarious; the latter can just be as neutral with proper attribution to the speaker. I concede to the "reviewer" bit, tho; I've slightly modified my alt suggestion to reflect this.Nineteen Ninety-Four guy (talk) 06:06, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, but the issue with ALT0b's that is that it's comparable to the so in the actual source: by changing so funny to that hilarious, you're actually changing the degree of humor (yes, I can't believe that I am saying this) to so so funny. New review of the hooks requested, given ltbdl's inactivity on this; other parts of the review have been completed. Sdrqaz (talk) 03:34, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Sdrqaz: Except the reviewer didn't just say funny but so funny, which is near-synonymous with hilarious; the latter can just be as neutral with proper attribution to the speaker. I concede to the "reviewer" bit, tho; I've slightly modified my alt suggestion to reflect this.Nineteen Ninety-Four guy (talk) 06:06, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Nineteen Ninety-Four guy and Ltbdl: I don't understand how hilarious is more neutral than funny, given that funny seems like a
- Right, which is why it should be directly attributed to The Times instead of referring to the publication as merely the reviewer, and so funny should neither be quoted nor written in Wiki's voice since it creates POV issues either way:
- @Nineteen Ninety-Four guy and Ltbdl: My interpretation of QUOTEPOV was that attribution was preferred in this instance as
- My 2c: I'd paraphrase so funny to hilarious instead of writing it in Wikipedia's voice; see MOS:QUOTEPOV. Nineteen Ninety-Four guy (talk) 12:16, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- I've added ALT0a, which hopefully addresses the concern of
- of course the review is harsh, this is going on the main page. as for alt2, the wording is unclear. perhaps say something like "they call an automated hotline"? ltbdl (talk) 16:35, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Rating this article as a Start seems ... pretty low (is it
my opinion still stands. anyway, if you have to run this article, run alt1. ltbdl (talk) 08:03, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on June 8
Reggie Brown (wide receiver, born 1970)
- ... that college football player Reggie Brown suffered an injury that causes "a lot of people [to] never even walk right again", but recovered in time for the next season and later made it to the NFL?
- Source: Alabama Journal (regarding injury) & Pro Football Reference (regarding NFL)
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/WUEC
BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:46, 15 June 2024 (UTC).
- Comment: since this seems to be something of a medical claim, the hook should be attributing correctly (Brown paraphrasing his doctor), if it's run at all. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 10:56, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Pinging BeanieFan11 - did you see Leeky's comment? ♠PMC♠ (talk) 10:33, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry for missing it. @Theleekycauldron: So, something like this then? ALT1 ... that college football player Reggie Brown suffered an injury that his doctor said causes "a lot of people [to] never even walk right again", but recovered in time for the next season and later made it to the NFL? BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:24, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- @BeanieFan11: His doctor didn't say it, Brown said his doctor said it. Which, if the doctor is alive, would arguably be an unreliable claim? theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 18:35, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- Are you saying that you think Brown or his doctor was incorrect? BeanieFan11 (talk) 18:51, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- @BeanieFan11: No, I'm saying that Brown is not quoting his doctor verbatim. I'm also wondering whether we should be implying a broad medical claim based on what someone said their doctor said. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 17:15, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Are you saying that you think Brown or his doctor was incorrect? BeanieFan11 (talk) 18:51, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- @BeanieFan11: His doctor didn't say it, Brown said his doctor said it. Which, if the doctor is alive, would arguably be an unreliable claim? theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 18:35, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry for missing it. @Theleekycauldron: So, something like this then? ALT1 ... that college football player Reggie Brown suffered an injury that his doctor said causes "a lot of people [to] never even walk right again", but recovered in time for the next season and later made it to the NFL? BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:24, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- Pinging BeanieFan11 - did you see Leeky's comment? ♠PMC♠ (talk) 10:33, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on June 9
Samuel Herbert Maw
- ... that the architect Samuel Herbert Maw is also well-known for his pictorial maps of Canada (example pictured)?
- Source: "Maw was also the author of a masterpiece of Canadian cartography, a bird’s-eye view of Quebec City, begun in 1926 and completed in 1932, in which he accurately rendered every single building in the Old Town and surrounding area, complete with a hand-drawn cartouche and historical notes on the significance of the buildings shown. Published by the Alexander Litho Co. Ltd. of Toronto, this map, measuring 27” x 35”, was reproduced in thousands of printed copies sold to tourists and visitors to Quebec for nearly three decades. A copy of the map can be found in National Map Collection, NAC, Ottawa. The popularity of this map led to another commission in 1939 for the Royal Tour of Canada. Entitled "This is Canada", it consisted of a full colour folio of maps of all nine provinces, printed in a spiral coil edition by The Macmillan Pub. Co. of Canada, and drawn by hand by S.H. Maw. The original folio was presented to King George VI & Queen Elizabeth by the Prime Minister of Canada. Just three years later, in 1942, he prepared an equally impressive Map of Montreal for the Tercentenary Celebrations of that city. It was placed on public display in the concourse of Windsor Station for several months. Yet another commission for a map was given to Maw in 1944 by the City of Ottawa, and he prepared a historical pictorial map of the Capital, unveiled at the National Gallery in Ottawa in 1944. This original map was later mounted on the north wall in the foyer of the Convention Hall in the Chateau Laurier Hotel."[1]
- Reviewed:
WikiFouf (talk) 16:33, 13 June 2024 (UTC).
- Very interesting. The article is long enough, it's new enough. It seems to be well-sourced, neutral, BLP-compliant, and copyvio-free. The other criteria seem to be met, except as follows: First, how is the image PD in the United States? And second, basically, I just have a quibble. The source certainly indicates his works were well known, but was he? The proposed hook does not make that clear.--Wehwalt (talk) 01:29, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks @Wehwalt! Frankly, I know very little about licensing and have no idea how to figure out what the map's American licensing is. Is there a database to search through or something? Your other quibble is also fair, "well known" might be a stretch for the current context, if we're talking about him specifically. I do believe he was locally well known (or, at least, known) during his career, judging from the historical media coverage I've read. I found this obituary from the Ottawa Journal which I think shows he was notable in his field(s). So, maybe change "is" to "was", "well known" to "known", or both?--WikiFouf (talk) 16:19, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- Notable has a meaning in wiki-talk, see WP:GNG for example. Maybe we could focus on the fact that his works had thousands of reproductions?
- As for the image, it was, under Canadian law at the time, protected for fifty years after death. Per this, however the copyright may have been extended per WP:URAA. This is not a field in which I am expert. Do you know if the maps were also published in the US at the same time?
References
- ^ "Maw, Samuel Herbert". Biographical Dictionary of Architects in Canada. Retrieved 9 June 2024.
Barry Burton
- ... that Barry Burton gained popularity for having awkward or cringe-inducing lines—like "That was too close! You were almost a Jill Sandwich!" and "It’s Forest. OH MY COD!”? Source: https://www.eurogamer.net/oh-my-cod-an-ode-to-resident-evils-barry-burton https://bloody-disgusting.com/news/3311562/barry-burton-best-resident-evil-character/ https://screenrant.com/best-resident-evil-npc-barry-re1/
- ALT1: ... Barry Burton's clanky-inducing lines—like "You were almost a Jill Sandwich!" from the first Resident Evil game were popular enough to be referenced in following games?"
Source: [1][2] About Eurogamer YT source. "It’s Forest. OH MY COD!” started from 0:39 to 0:43, while "Jill Sandwich" started at 2:26 to 2:29.
🍕Boneless Pizza!🍕 (🔔) 10:39, 9 June 2024 (UTC).
References
- ^ McDonell, Jess (January 28, 2013). "Gaming Meme History: Jill Sandwich". GameSpot. Archived from the original on April 11, 2013. Retrieved August 12, 2017.
- ^ https://www.eurogamer.net/oh-my-cod-an-ode-to-resident-evils-barry-burton
Length and history verified. References good for original hook. But for ALT1 (and the Eurogamer one for the original, if you are linking to a page with video use {{cite AV media}} and give us the time when the statement is made in the video instead of making us look through the whole thing. Daniel Case (talk) 05:53, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- Daniel Case about Eurogamer. "Jill Sandwich" started at 2:26 to 2:29. Thanks for informing me. 🍕Boneless Pizza!🍕 (🔔) 06:00, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
Architects' Tombs
- ... that according to legend, the engineers who built the Walls of Jerusalem are buried near the Jaffa Gate after the Ottoman sultan killed them for excluding David's Tomb on Mount Zion from the walls?
- ALT1: ... that according to legend, two tombs near the Jaffa Gate in Jerusalem are said to belong to the architects of the city walls, who were killed by the sultan for leaving David's Tomb outside the walls? Source: https://www.iaa-conservation.org.il/projects_item_eng.asp?subject_id=10&site_id=3&id=112
- Reviewed:
PeleYoetz (talk) 11:25, 10 June 2024 (UTC).
- I have begun the review process of this DYK, and the hook seems good and accurate, based on the source cited. The article is also new enough, having been created on 9 June 2024.
Article length and age are fine; no copyright violations or plagiarism could be found; reliable sources are used. Since, according to the sources cited, there are several suspected identifications for these graves, it is perhaps best to add in the lead paragraph: “Although disputed, these graves are attributed to the engineers of Sultan Suleiman the Magnificent, who, according to Jerusalem legend, built the city's wall.” The hook should also clarify this point. For example:
- ALT2 ... that according to one legend, two engineers who built the Walls of Jerusalem are buried near the Jaffa Gate after the Ottoman sultan killed them for excluding David's Tomb on Mount Zion from the walls?Davidbena (talk) 03:44, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you @Davidbena:, it sounds good to me. Is there anything else needed from my side? PeleYoetz (talk) 09:53, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Based on the first reference/source that you cite in the article, the tombs are also known as Engineers' Tomb. This alternate name should also be mentioned in the lead paragraph.Davidbena (talk) 22:38, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Davidbena Now done. PeleYoetz (talk) 09:16, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on June 11
Shachar Sagiv
- ... that Shachar Sagiv, who is slated to represent Israel at the 2024 Summer Olympics in the triathlon, is a brother of Ran Sagiv and a son of Shemi Sagiv, both of whom are former Olympians?
- Reviewed: Tobie Goedewaagen and Victory Vertical
- Comment: Nominated by Schwede66 on behalf of an IP editor, who will also provide the QPQ.
Schwede66 03:02, 11 June 2024 (UTC).
- Although the hook is shorter than 200 characters (at 185 characters), it does seem pretty long and a bit hard to read. I understand it might be difficult to compress the hook into a more concise one, but if that's possible I would suggest doing so anyway. Otherwise, another concern I have is that it's not exactly that uncommon for Olympic athletes to be relatives of other Olympians, and in any case the hook seems more to do with Sagiv's family than he himself. I'd like to see more suggestions that are more about Sagiv himself. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:51, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- I'm a well-known athletics hook hater, but this one is actually unusual and interesting, IMO. ꧁Zanahary꧂ 06:03, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
- Actually, it’s indeed rare to have two Olympians who are brothers and who also have a father who is an Olympian. And there is ample coverage of this fact in RSs in regard to him and his family precisely because it is notable. 2603:7000:2101:AA00:C1F0:2A4D:7D90:217B (talk) 08:12, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- To shorten the hook even further than 185 characters, though I think 185 is appropriately concise, one might consider changing the lead-in of the hook to "that triathlete Shachar Sagiv, who will represent Israel at the 2024 Summer Olympics ..." That would bring the character count down 11, to a tidy 174, 26 characters short of the limit.
- In addition, we can bold Ran Sagiv and make the hook about his 5x expansion as well.2603:7000:2101:AA00:A407:4587:FBA9:6E1B (talk) 04:54, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- ALT1: ... that triathlete Shachar Sagiv, who will represent Israel at the 2024 Summer Olympics in the triathlon, is a brother of Ran Sagiv and a son of Shemi Sagiv, both of whom are former Olympians?
- You'd have to provide another QPQ, but if you do, we can certainly run this as a double hook. Schwede66 00:36, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Assuming that this will be good to go at some point, I suggest that this be run on 30 July. See Wikipedia talk:Did you know#Olympic hooks table. Schwede66 01:23, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- ALT1 looks good. I will provide another QPQ. Also, run on 30 July makes good sense. Thanks. 2603:7000:2101:AA00:D4A:2D60:FB7D:680A (talk) 20:06, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Don't forget about the second QPQ. Schwede66 04:53, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- ALT1 looks good. I will provide another QPQ. Also, run on 30 July makes good sense. Thanks. 2603:7000:2101:AA00:D4A:2D60:FB7D:680A (talk) 20:06, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- ALT1a: ... that triathlete Shachar Sagiv, who will represent Israel at the 2024 Summer Olympics in the triathlon, is a brother of Ran Sagiv and a son of Shemi Sagiv, both of whom are former Olympians?
- Our IP editor might have fallen off the edge of earth. Without a second QPQ, I suggest we unbolden Ran Sagiv and proceed with ALT1a. Narutolovehinata5, are you happy to sign this off on this basis? Schwede66 04:32, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- Apologies. Real life interfered. I've now also done a qpq on Victory Vertical. ALT1 looks good. Thanks.2603:7000:2101:AA00:1C0D:29BD:F02A:DC84 (talk) 23:42, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on June 14
Kimboo
- ... that Kimboo—created by an Ivorian First Lady—was the first animated series to both feature a main character of native African descent and air on the U.S. BET network?
- Source: "Ebony Update: Marie-Thérèse Houphouët-Boigny, First Lady of the Ivory Coast". Ebony. Vol. XLV, no. 8. June 1990. p. 58. Archived from the original on 2024-06-15. Retrieved 2024-06-19 – via Google Books. / Erickson, Hal (2005). "Kimboo". Television Cartoon Shows: An Illustrated Encyclopedia, 1949 through 2003. McFarland. pp. 475–476. ISBN 0-7864-2099-5.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/L'Aube rouge (novel)
- Comment: Announced for my old article sandbox back in mid-December 2010, but never acted upon till the time I transitioned to my brand-new AFC queue. By the way, here's hoping WP can extend its coverage on African-produced animation in the years ahead. Stay tuned as I prepare for another DYK submission in a couple of days. Take care!
Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 09:48, 19 June 2024 (UTC).
- Formatting breaks MOS:SEAOFBLUE guideline, should probably just be merged into the "first lady" pipe. Orchastrattor (talk) 21:00, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
Birthday of Sheikh Mujibur Rahman
- ... that the Bangladesh Krishak Sramik Awami League ordered a 55-pound (25 kg) cake on Bangladeshi president Sheikh Mujibur's 55th birthday?
- ALT1: ... that the birthday of Sheikh Mujibur Rahman was declared a public holiday in Bangladesh in 1972 to commemorate a visit from Indian prime minister Indira Gandhi? Source: https://www.kalbela.com/ajkerpatrika/joto-mot-toto-path/73707
- ALT2: ... that Sheikh Mujibur Rahman, founder and first president of Bangladesh, had to experience his birthday in jail eight times? Source: https://www.banglatribune.com/national/840278/%E0%A6%95%E0%A7%87%E0%A6%AE%E0%A6%A8-%E0%A6%95%E0%A6%BE%E0%A6%9F%E0%A6%A4%E0%A7%8B-%E0%A6%AC%E0%A6%99%E0%A7%8D%E0%A6%97%E0%A6%AC%E0%A6%A8%E0%A7%8D%E0%A6%A7%E0%A7%81%E0%A6%B0-%E0%A6%9C%E0%A6%A8%E0%A7%8D%E0%A6%AE%E0%A6%A6%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%A8
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/1909-S VDB Lincoln Cent
- Comment: If you can please do copy edit for the article. I already requested in WP:GOCE but they take longer time to respond.
Mehedi Abedin (talk) 17:42, 14 June 2024 (UTC).
- Comment I have done some copyediting of the hooks. I will also give the article a basic copyedit. Therefore, I will leave the reviewing to someone else. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 19:09, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on June 15
Mohan Charan Majhi, 2024 Odisha Legislative Assembly election
- ... that Mohan Charan Majhi of Bharatiya Janata Party formed the Odisha state government by winning the elections ending the 24-year long Biju Janata Dal rule?
- Source: CNBC TV 18, The Statesman
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Way Less Sad and Template:Did you know nominations/Gloria Dickie
§§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 18:56, 15 June 2024 (UTC).
- @Dharmadhyaksha: Articles are long enough and were created/expanded within 7 days of submission. Articles are presentable, sourced, and copy-vio free, though I think the election article could use copyediting to make it more readable (missing punctuation, rephrasing to sound more natural, etc.}. Additionally, the hook's claim that Majhi "formed" a state government isn't stated in the source nor in either article. These things would need to be addressed before approval. Kimikel (talk) 19:19, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Kimikel: Some minor copyediting done. Unfortunately i could not fina any glaring copy editing requirements. But you can help, if you think some sentences need tweeking.
When a Chief Minister takes oath they form the government. Statesman says the new government is formed and that Majhi is the new CM. I don't see what the confusion here is. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 06:31, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Kimikel: Some minor copyediting done. Unfortunately i could not fina any glaring copy editing requirements. But you can help, if you think some sentences need tweeking.
- Requesting a second opinion, as I obviously lack knowledge on the workings of Indian politics. Hopefully someone more acquainted with the subject can review this. Kimikel (talk) 20:08, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on June 17
Healie
... that the character Healie's popularity with players lead to the introduction of monster recruitment in Dragon Quest V, a mechanic that inspired Dragon Quest Monsters?
- Reviewed:
- Comment: It's a little outside the seven days, but my PC was in the middle of being transferred. I considered an ALT, but I felt that any possible ALT would not be as strong as noting the influence of Healie on the direction of the series.
Cukie Gherkin (talk) 01:05, 26 June 2024 (UTC).
- The current hook cannot be used as it is 210 characters long, and hooks should only be a maximum of 200 characters and ideally shorter than that. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:15, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- I've reduced it down to 200. Is this acceptable? - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 16:48, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- It's borderline since it's at exactly 200 words, but it might be better for the main reviewer to decide. Given this is your second nomination, the reviewer will probably be lenient about the nomination being slightly late. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:43, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
Valley Falls train collision
- ... that the Valley Falls train collision in 1853 was one of the earliest train wrecks ever photographed? Source: Reed, Robert (1968). Train Wrecks: A Pictorial History of Accidents on the Main Line. Seattle: Superior Pub. Co. pp. 20–21. Also verified by Heppner, Frank H. (2012). Railroads of Rhode Island: shaping the Ocean State's railways. Charleston, South Carolina: History Press. p. 78
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Joel Ross (vibraphonist)
- Comment: Due to the recent controversy over "first" or "earliest" hooks, I have adopted the wording "one of the earliest".
Trainsandotherthings (talk) 17:00, 23 June 2024 (UTC).
- Article was promoted to GA status on time and I did not find any close paraphrasing. QPQ has been done. Since I can't access either source for the hook I'd like to at least see a quote or excerpt that discusses the hook. As for the hook itself, while it meets WP:DYKINT, the footnote supporting it comes at the end of the paragraph where the sentence is rather than the end of the sentence itself. In addition, the hook and the article do not match: the hook says "one of the earliest" but the article outright says "believed to be the first." I understand this is because of the recent issues with "first" hooks, but as it stands, the article cannot run unless that is resolved first. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:25, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- I don't have access to Train Wrecks right now as I'm in the middle of a move. Heppner says "This was the first train wreck ever to be photographed and printed in a newspaper". I have added an inline cite at the end of the sentence. This is kind of a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation - if we try and run the hook as stated in the sources and article, it will almost certainly be challenged. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 13:57, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Given the circumstances of the nomination I'm pinging some of the commentors in the recent "first" hooks discussion such as @RoySmith, SL93, and Schwede66: for advice. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 14:19, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- My usual litmus test for "first" hooks is whether there's a finite set of things, making it possible to definitively order them and see which was first. For example, we can be pretty sure George Washington was indeed the first president of the United States; even the most skeptical of us should be willing to accept that there wasn't one before him that we just somehow haven't found yet in a google search. In this case, photography had only existed for about 20 years when this crash happened. The window of when an earlier photo might have been taken is thus limited, so at least this seems likely to be true. On general principles, however, I think we should say "believed to be" or something like that. FWIW, I found mention of this in the George Eastman House 2008 Annual Report which says "[Train wreck on the Providence Worcester Railroad near to Pawtucket], August 12, 1853. Attributed to L. Wright. Daguerreotype. so there may be some uncertainty about the photographer's identity. RoySmith (talk) 15:26, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- I don't follow the last point. Both the link and the source I use in the article attribute the photograph to L. Wright. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 01:25, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- I generally interpret the phrase "attributed to" to indicate a degree of uncertainty. Thus Read my lips: no new taxes says,
"Read my lips: no new taxes" is a phrase spoken by American presidential candidate George H. W. Bush
. There's no doubt in anybody's mind that he said it. Millions of people watched him say it live on TV and we've got it on videotape to go back and verify. But Gospel of Matthew saysThe gospel is traditionally attributed to the Apostle Matthew
because we're not 100% sure. I think the same thing is going on here; the Eastman folks believe Wright took the image, but they apparently have enough uncertainty about it that they felt the needs to hedge in their statement. RoySmith (talk) 19:44, 26 June 2024 (UTC)- I understand now. So what we know without a doubt is this collision happened and it was photographed. Photography was very much an emerging technology at this point so I think this is almost certainly one of the first train collisions ever photographed, if not the first. Railroads as we know them only really emerged around 1830 with the Liverpool and Manchester Railway and the Daguerreotype was invented in 1839. It's difficult to definitively prove this was the first photo, but it was almost certainly one of the earliest. The question is how do we word this in the article and in the hook. An ALT1 about the emergence of a very early form of a coordinated time/time zone in the aftermath of this wreck is also possible, as that is somewhat easier to verify. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 14:04, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- I generally interpret the phrase "attributed to" to indicate a degree of uncertainty. Thus Read my lips: no new taxes says,
- I don't follow the last point. Both the link and the source I use in the article attribute the photograph to L. Wright. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 01:25, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- My usual litmus test for "first" hooks is whether there's a finite set of things, making it possible to definitively order them and see which was first. For example, we can be pretty sure George Washington was indeed the first president of the United States; even the most skeptical of us should be willing to accept that there wasn't one before him that we just somehow haven't found yet in a google search. In this case, photography had only existed for about 20 years when this crash happened. The window of when an earlier photo might have been taken is thus limited, so at least this seems likely to be true. On general principles, however, I think we should say "believed to be" or something like that. FWIW, I found mention of this in the George Eastman House 2008 Annual Report which says "[Train wreck on the Providence Worcester Railroad near to Pawtucket], August 12, 1853. Attributed to L. Wright. Daguerreotype. so there may be some uncertainty about the photographer's identity. RoySmith (talk) 15:26, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Given the circumstances of the nomination I'm pinging some of the commentors in the recent "first" hooks discussion such as @RoySmith, SL93, and Schwede66: for advice. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 14:19, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on June 19
2025 Philippine general election
- ... that the 2025 Philippine general election is the first regular election to elect the Bangsamoro Parliament?
- Source: Parungao, Adrian (9 February 2024) https://newsinfo.inquirer.net/1902065/barmm-execs-2025-election-to-fortify-work-toward-true-autonomy
- Reviewed:
TheNuggeteer (talk) 06:43, 19 June 2024 (UTC).
- @TheNuggeteer: Not a review, but the hook is in the wrong tense (should at minimum be 'will be') and I fail to see how it meets WP:DYKINT.--Launchballer 18:05, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Launchballer: In any case, article was removed from redirect June 9 and was only nominated ten days later, three days late from the prescribed period. This is not going anywhere. Nineteen Ninety-Four guy (talk) 05:59, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- I'm going to overrule this as @TheNuggeteer: is a new user (this is their second nomination) and WP:DYKNEW can be extended for a day or two upon request. (Don't do it again mind.)--Launchballer 07:38, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- The QPQ tool says otherwise, but your funeral. Nineteen Ninety-Four guy (talk) 08:35, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- I don't use the QPQ tool, which is in alphabetical order anyway. I go through users' contribution histories.--Launchballer 08:47, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- The QPQ tool says otherwise, but your funeral. Nineteen Ninety-Four guy (talk) 08:35, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- I'm going to overrule this as @TheNuggeteer: is a new user (this is their second nomination) and WP:DYKNEW can be extended for a day or two upon request. (Don't do it again mind.)--Launchballer 07:38, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- @TheNuggeteer, Launchballer, and Nineteen Ninety-Four guy: Is this option better?
- ALT1 ... that the 2025 Philippine general election is set to be the first to be held under a new voting system provider after the previous one was disqualified over corruption allegations?
- Nothing else stands out that is unique to this particular election or seems to meet DYKINT, at least as of right now. I'll leave it to others if "previous one" should link to Smartmatic. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:16, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, this should be interesting enough sans the wikilink. Thanks, Nineteen Ninety-Four guy (talk) 13:26, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Strongly suggest that "will be" be replaced by "is set to be" or the equivalent. WP:CRYSTAL applies here to a certain extent: something could happen in the Philippines to change next year's election provider between now and then—it might even revert to the previous provider, however unlikely that seems at the moment—and "will be" is a definite prediction of the future while "is set to be" simply says that this is what's expected as of today. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:01, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, this should be interesting enough sans the wikilink. Thanks, Nineteen Ninety-Four guy (talk) 13:26, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
Oriana Skylar Mastro
- ... that political scientist Oriana Skylar Mastro enlisted in the US military in 2004 following advice from deputy commander of then U.S. Pacific Command, despite having planned to pursue an academic career? Source: https://news.stanford.edu/2021/11/11/combining-military-service-scholarship/
Improved to Good Article status W9793 (talk). Self-nominated at 02:54, 23 June 2024 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Oriana Skylar Mastro 2; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
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Overall: Article was nominated within 7 days of reaching Good Article status. Article is more than 1,500 words long in prose. No problems with sourcing and plagiarism. Earwig picked up an "unlikely" copyright violation of 28.1%. QPQ still needs to be done. I don't feel like the hook is interesting as being advised to take a different career is pretty common; is there any way to rephrase that or find a different hook? lullabying (talk) 07:18, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
Thanks for reviewing. Would one of the following be better?
DYK... American political scientist and China specialist Oriana Skylar Mastro was inspired to write her first book after participating in a military war game simulation? (source: https://news.stanford.edu/stories/2021/11/combining-military-service-scholarship)
DYK... Oriana Skylar Mastro, a Stanford political scientist, joined the U.S. Air Force as a PhD student to better understand military issues in the Asia Pacific? (source: https://news.stanford.edu/stories/2021/11/combining-military-service-scholarship)
W9793 (talk) 23:53, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- I like "ALT2: ... that Oriana Skylar Mastro, a Stanford political scientist, joined the U.S. Air Force as a PhD student to better understand military issues in the Asia Pacific? (source: https://news.stanford.edu/stories/2021/11/combining-military-service-scholarship)." All that's left to do is your QPQ and I think you're good to go. lullabying (talk) 00:49, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- I've completed a review here - https://teknopedia.ac.id/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Joseph_Petzoldt W9793 (talk) 04:25, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- Can you put the link to the QPQ on the "Reviewed" parameter in your initial submission? lullabying (talk) 04:40, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on June 20
Orca Shipwreck
- ... that the Orca Shipwreck, dating from the Late Bronze Age and recently discovered in the eastern Mediterranean, is the earliest deep-sea shipwreck ever found?
- ALT1: ... that the Orca Shipwreck, the earliest deep-sea shipwreck discovered was recently found near Israel? Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cedd0l1wk8qo
- Reviewed:
Owenglyndur (talk) 13:30, 20 June 2024 (UTC).
- According to DYK-check, "Article has not been expanded 5x since it was created". (I haven't checked for copy-right violations). Also, I would have liked to know why it is called the Orca Shipwreck? Huldra (talk) 22:37, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- This article was created 4 days ago and on the same day i nominated it for DYK. The reason for the name derives from the news articvle staitng it was found next to Israels' Orca gas field. Here is the quote from the article: "While scanning the seabed ahead of developing Israel's Orca natural gas field , Energean observed an anomaly that would change our understanding of ancient navigation skills" Owenglyndur (talk) 07:37, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on June 21
Nicol Spence Galbraith
- ... that in May 1983 British public health physician Nicol Spence Galbraith voiced his concern over possible contaminated blood?
- Reviewed: Josephine Kenyon
Whispyhistory (talk) 19:24, 28 June 2024 (UTC).
Chand Sifarish
- ... that "Chand Sifarish" peaked at #1 on the popularity charts?
- Reviewed:
KunalAggarwal95 (talk) 17:33, 28 June 2024 (UTC).
- The article was recently recreated from a redirect so if tools say this is an old article then that is inaccurate. Thus the article is technically eligible. There are however multiple major issues with the nomination right now. The first is that the article is in need of a copyedit, and second, the hook is too vague and broad to meet WP:DYKINT. It lacks context (it doesn't make it unambiguously clear that the subject is a song), and the "#1 on the popularity charts" claim also lacks context. I should also note that the article isn't more specific about which charts are being referred to here either, so that is also an issue with the article. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 08:18, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- I don't have any information about those popularity charts. KunalAggarwal95 (talk) 10:42, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- If that's the case then that hook can't run as it won't pass scrutiny on either WT:DYK or WP:ERRORS. A new hook will need to be proposed here, but if one can't, then the nom will be marked for closure. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:12, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- New hook: ALT1 ... that the song "Chand Sifarish" was produced in the voice of Kishore Kumar and Mohammed Rafi, with the help of Artificial intelligence. KunalAggarwal95 (talk) 10:16, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- The context of that hook is a bit unclear. Did you mean the song was covered by Kumar and Rafi with the help of AI? Given this is a music-related hook, maybe Launchballer can come up with a clearer and more grammatically-correct wording. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:44, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- If the hook is telling me what I think it's trying to tell me, then I would suggest words to the effect of ALT1a: ... that an AI-generated cover of Shaan and Kailash Kher's "Chand Sifarish" became popular on social media? Also, what makes The Times of India reliable?--Launchballer 13:01, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Just noting that the tools are saying this is an old article because it used to be one; the article was deleted at AfD in 2012. I think the AI stuff takes it over the line in terms of notability.--Launchballer 13:14, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- I understand that ToI has a yellow rating at WP:RSP, but the hook's claim seems uncontroversial and not something they likely made up. If there are no other sources that cover that information I don't think it should be an issue to use ToI in this particular case (unless this is one of their paid articles), but to be on the safe side maybe another source should be added to strengthen the claim. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:20, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Just noting that the tools are saying this is an old article because it used to be one; the article was deleted at AfD in 2012. I think the AI stuff takes it over the line in terms of notability.--Launchballer 13:14, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- If the hook is telling me what I think it's trying to tell me, then I would suggest words to the effect of ALT1a: ... that an AI-generated cover of Shaan and Kailash Kher's "Chand Sifarish" became popular on social media? Also, what makes The Times of India reliable?--Launchballer 13:01, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- The context of that hook is a bit unclear. Did you mean the song was covered by Kumar and Rafi with the help of AI? Given this is a music-related hook, maybe Launchballer can come up with a clearer and more grammatically-correct wording. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:44, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- New hook: ALT1 ... that the song "Chand Sifarish" was produced in the voice of Kishore Kumar and Mohammed Rafi, with the help of Artificial intelligence. KunalAggarwal95 (talk) 10:16, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- If that's the case then that hook can't run as it won't pass scrutiny on either WT:DYK or WP:ERRORS. A new hook will need to be proposed here, but if one can't, then the nom will be marked for closure. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:12, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- I don't have any information about those popularity charts. KunalAggarwal95 (talk) 10:42, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
The hook belongs to Hindustan Times. KunalAggarwal95 (talk) 17:32, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on June 22
Keegan Baker
- ... that an EastEnders storyline depicting Keegan Baker and Shakil Kazemi being stabbed was considered "one of the most important the show has ever embarked on" by executive consultant John Yorke?
- Source: Hughes, Johnathon (22 March 2018). "EastEnders to tackle knife crime in hard-hitting new storyline". Radio Times. Archived from the original on 2 July 2018. Retrieved 17 June 2024.
- ALT1: ... that the wedding between EastEnders characters Keegan Baker and Tiffany Butcher was confirmed after actors Zack Morris and Maisie Smith were seen filming it on-location? Source: Dainty, Sophie (24 September 2019). "EastEnders films a surprise wedding that nobody saw coming". Digital Spy. Archived from the original on 4 November 2021. Retrieved 21 June 2024.
- Reviewed:
FishLoveHam (talk) 15:55, 24 June 2024 (UTC).
DI MA-1 Mk. III
- ... that the DI MA-1 Mk. III rifle was made in Myanmar without license despite claims that it was made entirely in Myanmar?
- ALT1: ... that Chinese media criticized Myanmar for making the DI MA-1 Mk. III rifle without permission from China? Source: https://kienthuc.net.vn/quan-su/trum-dao-nhai-vu-khi-trung-quoc-to-cao-myanmar-sao-chep-sung-qbz-97-1452588.html (check specifically at https://kienthuc.net.vn/quan-su/trum-dao-nhai-vu-khi-trung-quoc-to-cao-myanmar-sao-chep-sung-qbz-97-1452588.html#p-5#p-5)
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Gmac Cash
- Comment: Not sure if the hook ideas are fine. Had to rely on mostly Chinese (and one Vietnamese) source.
Ominae (talk) 13:16, 22 June 2024 (UTC).
Articles created/expanded on June 23
Embassy of the Philippines, Amman
- ... that a diplomat at the Philippine Embassy in Amman was accused of running a sexual exploitation ring?
- Source: "Bello said at a news conference that two of the embassy personnel, whom he identified as officers of the Philippine Overseas Labor Office in the Jordanian capital Amman and in Kuwait, were involved in running sex rings in those two places that send Filipinas to service wealthy clients." – Philippine Daily Inquirer
- Reviewed: Bengisu Avcı
Sky Harbor (talk) 08:05, 29 June 2024 (UTC).
- @Sky Harbor: A QPQ has yet to be provided despite it being over a week since the nomination. Please provide a QPQ as soon as possible, or else the nomination will be marked for closure. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:41, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- The nominator hasn't edited since July 1st and has not provided a QPQ. Marking for closure as abandoned, without prejudice against it continuing if the nominator returns or another editor adopts this. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:18, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Hi, Narutolovehinata5. If you're wondering why I've not been able to work on this nomination, it's because I am currently in Turkey for work-related travel. I will work on the QPQ within the next 1-2 days, and thank you for your patience. --Sky Harbor (talk) 23:33, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- QPQ review done, Narutolovehinata5. Thank you again for your patience. --Sky Harbor (talk) 16:57, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- Hi, Narutolovehinata5. If you're wondering why I've not been able to work on this nomination, it's because I am currently in Turkey for work-related travel. I will work on the QPQ within the next 1-2 days, and thank you for your patience. --Sky Harbor (talk) 23:33, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- The nominator hasn't edited since July 1st and has not provided a QPQ. Marking for closure as abandoned, without prejudice against it continuing if the nominator returns or another editor adopts this. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:18, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for a QPQ, this still needs a full review. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:48, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
Goodboy Galaxy
- ... that Goodboy Galaxy was the first commercially released title for the Game Boy Advance in over 13 years?
- Source: Yin-Poole, Wesley (28 August 2021). ""First commercial GBA game in 13 years" smashes Kickstarter target in less than a day Goodboy, Galaxy". Euro Gamer. Retrieved 27 June 2024. / McFerran, Damien (27 August 2021). "The Game Boy Advance Is Getting Its First Commercial Release In 13 Years, Goodboy Galaxy". Nintendo Life. Retrieved 27 June 2024.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Liechtenstein at the 1936 Summer Olympics
- Comment: From the roster of recent AFC graduates; as promised on this article's talk page; on behalf of creator Oz346. (Stay tuned as I get another nomination of my own up and running.)
Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 09:37, 27 June 2024 (UTC).
- Note that this is under an AFD so any review may have to be deferred.
Lahug Airport
- ... that the Cebu IT Park was originally where Lahug Airport was?
- Source: [8]
- ALT1: ... that after former Philippine President Ramon Magsaysay's plane launched from Lahug Airport, he had a plane crash which ultimately ended his life? Source: [9]
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Accessibility of transport in London
TheNuggeteer (talk) 05:58, 26 June 2024 (UTC).
- General eligibility:
- New enough:
- Long enough: - After copyediting, it does not meet the 1,500-character threshold.
Policy compliance:
- Adequate sourcing: - Needs better sources to back claims.
- Neutral:
- Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:
Hook eligibility:
- Cited:
- Interesting: - Neither hook is particularly interesting to a broad audience. The papal mass at the airport sounds far more interesting.
QPQ: - Still needed.
Overall: Went ahead and copyedited the article, but it seems to have brought it below the length requirement after removing some filler. SounderBruce 01:41, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- @SounderBruce: I reviewed a DYK nom for QPQ, and I fixed the longevity problem, for another alt, I suggest:
*ALT2 ... that the first papal mass in Cebu was held at Lahug Airport? Source: [10]
Anyway, can you tell me which sources aren't reliable? TheNuggeteer (talk) 02:39, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- "PacificWrecks.com" does not exactly scream "reliable". The CDN piece seems to be an opinion/contributor reflection rather than a proper news article. I imagine a papal mass would have plenty of coverage, no? SounderBruce 02:42, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- @SounderBruce: I reviewed a DYK nom for QPQ, and I fixed the longevity problem, for another alt, I suggest:
Sam Salz (American football)
- ... that a wide receiver on the Texas A&M Aggies football team never played organized football?
- ALT1: ... that a wide receiver on the Texas A&M Aggies football team may never be able to play in a game because of his religious beliefs? Source: Sabbath runs from sun down on Friday to an hour past sundown on Saturday which means Sam can only compete in Saturday night games for the Aggies.
- ALT2: ... that football player Sam Salz wears the jersey number 39 and a Chabad "A&M” kippah under his football helmet? Source: donning a “Chabad A&M” kippah under his helmet while wearing the number “39” to symbolize the 39 tasks and items that are avoided during Sabbath, known in Hebrew as lamed tet melachot.
- ALT3: ... that by rule Sam Salz could not even try out for the Texas A&M Aggies football team but he is on the team? Source: the rule was that to try out for the team, it was required to play high school football on a varsity level which Salz didn’t do. So, he got creative. Getting on the team There was a field right next to the Aggies’ training facility, and Salz, an obser- vant Jew, went there every daytotrain,asidefromShab- bat. He worked on taking hand-offs, catching, and doing footwork.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Cosmic Ray (film)
- Comment: There may be other hooks in there. I avoided the claim of first or only orthodox Jewish football player in NCAA Division I because of verifiability.
Bruxton (talk) 19:39, 23 June 2024 (UTC).
- This is only a preliminary review for now as the article needs a copyedit when it comes to wording and missing punctuation. However, the article does seem long enough and is adequately sourced and a QPQ has been done. My preferred hook is ALT1, but it doesn't exactly match the article or the source so it might fail at WT:DYK or ERRORS. ALT0 could probably be modified to say he never played organized football before signing up as the current wording might be too vague. ALT2 might need additional context especially for readers from countries where Judaism is not a common religion: my suggestion would be to propose a new hook that explains his 39 jersey and how it related to the Sabbath. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:37, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: Thank you for checking out this nomination.. I did some copyediting but it is hard for me to find my own errors so I would appreciate you calling them out. For hook ideas I prefer that someone click the article to discover rather than getting in the weeds with specificity in the hook. For fifth and sixth hook ideas:
- ALT4: ... that a wide receiver on the Texas A&M Aggies football team wears number 39 to symbolize the tasks or items which Jews should avoid during the Sabbath?
- ALT5: ... that American football player Sam Salz wears number 39 to remind him of "lamed tet melachot"?
- Bruxton (talk) 15:10, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- ALT4 sounds good to me. The article is improved but the wording still seems a bit weird (for example, "As a young boy Salz never watched college football because it is played on the Shabbat and he is an observant orthodox Jew." and "He was not invited to join the football team so he practiced by himself within sight of the football team and eventually earned a roster spot.") I don't have access to the NYT source; is 2003 mentioned in that article? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:18, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: Excellent. You can archive a link to read text it by putting the url in archive.ph. Here is a link to the NYT article. I got 2003 from "Salz, 21, became obsessed with playing college football at a young age, for reasons he can’t exactly pinpoint." It is a 2024 article and 2024-21 is c. 2003. Regarding the two sentences, I do not see the weirdness to their structurel; if you do please edit them. Bruxton (talk) 23:47, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Maybe it's just me not being a native speaker but something feels off about the first sentence to me, but it could just be that it's correct to a native speaker but sounds weird to a non-native one. The second one could probably be rewritten to something like "As he was not invited to join the football team, he practiced by himself within sight of them. He eventually earned a roster spot." Maybe something like that? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:03, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: I reordered the first sentence you called out and I used your language for the second sentence. Bruxton (talk) 22:44, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- Now that I think about it, ALT4a is quite long. Would it be okay if it got shortened to ALT4a ... that a Texas A&M Aggies football wide receiver wears number 39 to symbolize the tasks or items which Jews should avoid during the Sabbath? "Football" could even be dropped if possible, but given American football's relatively niche popularity outside of North America, just "wide receiver" without context might not make much sense, hence the addition of "football" (or even "college football" if really needed). Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:31, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: I am ok with any change that helps advance this nomination. Bruxton (talk) 01:01, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- Cool. I'll think about hook options over the next few days but as long as the copyediting has been completed I can probably complete the review. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:31, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: I am ok with any change that helps advance this nomination. Bruxton (talk) 01:01, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- Now that I think about it, ALT4a is quite long. Would it be okay if it got shortened to ALT4a ... that a Texas A&M Aggies football wide receiver wears number 39 to symbolize the tasks or items which Jews should avoid during the Sabbath? "Football" could even be dropped if possible, but given American football's relatively niche popularity outside of North America, just "wide receiver" without context might not make much sense, hence the addition of "football" (or even "college football" if really needed). Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:31, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: I reordered the first sentence you called out and I used your language for the second sentence. Bruxton (talk) 22:44, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- Maybe it's just me not being a native speaker but something feels off about the first sentence to me, but it could just be that it's correct to a native speaker but sounds weird to a non-native one. The second one could probably be rewritten to something like "As he was not invited to join the football team, he practiced by himself within sight of them. He eventually earned a roster spot." Maybe something like that? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:03, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: Excellent. You can archive a link to read text it by putting the url in archive.ph. Here is a link to the NYT article. I got 2003 from "Salz, 21, became obsessed with playing college football at a young age, for reasons he can’t exactly pinpoint." It is a 2024 article and 2024-21 is c. 2003. Regarding the two sentences, I do not see the weirdness to their structurel; if you do please edit them. Bruxton (talk) 23:47, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- ALT4 sounds good to me. The article is improved but the wording still seems a bit weird (for example, "As a young boy Salz never watched college football because it is played on the Shabbat and he is an observant orthodox Jew." and "He was not invited to join the football team so he practiced by himself within sight of the football team and eventually earned a roster spot.") I don't have access to the NYT source; is 2003 mentioned in that article? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:18, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
Apologies for the delay in reviewing. The article meets requirements for newness and length, and I did not find any close paraphrasing. QPQ has been done and verified. All major statements in the article match the sources, and all hooks are mentioned in the article and verified in the sources. There is one statement in the article, however: the "thought to be the only orthodox Jewish football player in NCAA Division I" fact might change in the future, so the mention in the article may need a qualifier. I also note that one of the sources says he's the first known orthodox Jewish college football player, but given the recent brouhaha over "first" hooks it might be the safest option not to go with that. Some variation of ALT4 (I will leave the exact wording to the promoter) is probably the best option here as the most unusual or interesting; my original preference (ALT1) is unsuitable due to not being directly mentioned in the article, as well as not meeting the "unlikely to change" criterion. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:35, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: Good catch I attributed the statement Bruxton (talk) 04:21, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on June 24
Dus Bahane
- ... that the 2005 song "Dus Bahane" wasn't supposed to be shot, but the director Anubhav Sinha insisted Abhishek Bachchan and Zayed Khan?
- Reviewed:
KunalAggarwal95 (talk) 10:44, 1 July 2024 (UTC).
- @KunalAggarwal95: Not a review, but the hook is nonsensical, and the Times of India is yellow on WP:RSP.--Launchballer 16:02, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- It is not a deprecated source. KunalAggarwal95 (talk) 16:47, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- It doesn't matter that it isn't deprecated. It matters that its reliability has been questioned, and I'm looking for a strong rationale as to why it is being used.--Launchballer 22:18, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- as no other sources provide information. KunalAggarwal95 (talk) 06:23, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- I'll let a reviewer adjudicate on it then. My gut says that it isn't strong enough for the claims it's making. You do still need a grammatically correct hook.--Launchballer 19:36, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- New hook: ALT1 ... that the 2005 Hindi-language song "Dus Bahane" wasn't supposed to be shot, but was shot in 10 hours and became the most played song of 2005?— Preceding unsigned comment added by KunalAggarwal95 (talk • contribs)
- Better, although MOS:CONTRACTIONS forbids words like 'wasn't', and I'd also trim it at 'shot' per WP:DYKTRIM, like so: ALT1a: ... that the 2005 Hindi-language song "Dus Bahane" was not supposed to be shot?. I note that the source says 'shot' as well, so AGF that this is acceptable in Indian English and call for another reviewer.--Launchballer 07:49, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- New hook: ALT1 ... that the 2005 Hindi-language song "Dus Bahane" wasn't supposed to be shot, but was shot in 10 hours and became the most played song of 2005?— Preceding unsigned comment added by KunalAggarwal95 (talk • contribs)
- I'll let a reviewer adjudicate on it then. My gut says that it isn't strong enough for the claims it's making. You do still need a grammatically correct hook.--Launchballer 19:36, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- as no other sources provide information. KunalAggarwal95 (talk) 06:23, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- It doesn't matter that it isn't deprecated. It matters that its reliability has been questioned, and I'm looking for a strong rationale as to why it is being used.--Launchballer 22:18, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- It is not a deprecated source. KunalAggarwal95 (talk) 16:47, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
Henrik Igityan National Centre for Aesthetics
... that the world's first childrens' art museum has 150,000 artworks by children in its collection?Source: no. of artworks=https://armeniadiscovery.com/en/articles/national-center-of-aesthetics & 'world's first'=https://www.thecaucasustours.com/childrens-art-gallery/- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Jenny Hurn
- Comment:
Lajmmoore (talk) 21:55, 24 June 2024 (UTC).
- @Lajmmoore: Love this! New enough, long enough, Earwig comes up clean, no image, QPQ has been done, and hook is damn interesting. Unfortunately, visityerevan.am, farusa.org, hamazkayin.com, armeniadiscovery.com, thecaucasustours.com, and evnmediafest.com are not reliable sources. Once those are replaced or removed, I can go ahead and pass this. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 04:02, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- There is an image now, and I think there might be WP:FOP problems. Also, "first" is going to be very hard to verify, as we can't rule out there being an earlier, smaller museum in a distant country the authors of the sources never heard of. Bremps... 10:22, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oh, yes, there is an image! I'm also not convinced the licensing checks out. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 16:40, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- comment RE: image - the file name states the painting was done by Ruben Igityan, who was the son of Henrik Igityan. He died in a plane crash in 1975 with his mother. Henrik would therefore inherit the rights? I assumed that since Henrik is still involved with the NCA, and the image was donated as part of a partnership, that the licensing was OK. Lajmmoore (talk) 22:30, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oh, yes, there is an image! I'm also not convinced the licensing checks out. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 16:40, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- There is an image now, and I think there might be WP:FOP problems. Also, "first" is going to be very hard to verify, as we can't rule out there being an earlier, smaller museum in a distant country the authors of the sources never heard of. Bremps... 10:22, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
ALT1... that the Yerevan Children's Art Gallery shows "the unexpected beauty of children’s art"? Source: https://unesdoc.unesco.org/ark:/48223/pf0000063186
- Forgot to sign and ping people yesterday (blame my tired eyes), but I think the article is now improved @Theleekycauldron: & @Bremps:, thanks for your input! Lajmmoore (talk) 13:15, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Lajmmoore: I still see some unreliable sources, and that the Centre itself is being used to support controversial claims. I don't think ALT1 communicates anything more interesting that the name already implies – sure, someone said it's a children's art gallery and that it's surprisingly good. One person saying that doesn't make it all that intriguing, I would think. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 17:18, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Theleekycauldron: I think I quite liked the hook, because I don't think most people would automatically think children's art was beautiful?! (it did have a grammer mistake in that I removed now)- I'll look at the rest later on :) Lajmmoore (talk) 16:19, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Lajmmoore: I still see some unreliable sources, and that the Centre itself is being used to support controversial claims. I don't think ALT1 communicates anything more interesting that the name already implies – sure, someone said it's a children's art gallery and that it's surprisingly good. One person saying that doesn't make it all that intriguing, I would think. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 17:18, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
Zhou Xuan (Three Kingdoms)
- ... that Zhou Xuan's dream interpretations were recorded to be accurate eight or nine times out of ten?
- Source: Records of the Three Kingdoms vol. 29, translated in Robert Ford Campany, The Chinese Dreamscape, pp. 109-111
- Reviewed:
Kzyx (talk) 20:19, 24 June 2024 (UTC).
- @Kzyx: Really interesting article! New enough, long enough, QPQ not needed, no image provided, and plagiarism-free (although a large number of quotes are used here). Unfortunately, I don't think the sources here are going to cut it. Almost all of the sources 1000+ years old. I'm not sure I'd trust the monarchy's records to be a reliable independent primary source even if they were from 10 years ago, but uncritically interpreting texts that old is a problem in its own right. Which is probably how we end up claiming in the provided hook that Zhou can predict the future by interpreting dreams, which I would argue is a fairly absurd result on its face. Without substantial secondary contemporary academic coverage, I don't see how this nomination can go forward. I'm honestly not convinced of the article's notability, either. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 17:25, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on June 25
Liechtenstein at the 1936 Summer Olympics
- ... that for the 1936 Summer Olympics, Liechtenstein flipped their flag upside down?
- Reviewed:
- Comment: Yep, it's that fact.
Arconning (talk) 17:36, 25 June 2024 (UTC).
- The original hook has MOS:EGG issues. Here's one possibility. Feel free to change it or suggest others. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 18:10, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- ALT0a ... that at the 1936 Summer Olympics, Liechtenstein changed their official flag after seeing Haiti's flag, discovering they were similar?
- I also thought this. Alternative one proposed seems more appropriate. TheBritinator (talk) 00:32, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- ALT2 ... that for the 1936 Summer Olympics, Liechtenstein flipped their flag upside down?
- [11] I think this fact would be far enough from the already posted fact for Haiti. Arconning (talk) 04:14, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Note that this fact has already featured at DYK (see Template:Did you know nominations/Haiti at the 1936 Summer Olympics). Kingsif (talk) 22:35, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Given this may lead to a "rerun" per Kingsif, I'm pretty doubtful of its chances. --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 05:13, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Slgrandson: I made ALT2 before your comment which would be a different hook. I just have no clue how to replace it as the main one lol. Arconning (talk) 06:50, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- This probably isn't the right symbol as nobody appears to have started a proper review as yet. All there is above is a discussion about hooks that may or may not work. Schwede66 03:54, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on June 26
Joni (song)
- ... that a scrapped song from SZA's second album was supposed to be on her next one, but when the song was leaked she had to scrap it again?
- Source: * "'Joni' is on it. Well, they leaked it, so I wasn't gonna put it on there. I guess I should still… but they leaked it already." (Variety); "'So we'll make this really simple. Y'all leaked 3 songs from the deluxe. Atp y'all can keep the throw aways and leaks,' she tweeted, as reported by Variety. 'I'll be starting LANA from scratch do not ask me about it again.'" (Complex)
- Reviewed:
- Comment: Clarifying that it was scrapped from the third album; latest updates from SZA suggest "Joni" might be on the second album's deluxe. Open to any suggestions.
PSA 🏕️🪐 (please make some noise...) 00:20, 3 July 2024 (UTC).
Not in Love (Crystal Castles song)
- ... that Robert Smith's demo vocals for "Not in Love" were so captivating that Crystal Castles canceled their studio recording plans to keep his original demo in the final track?
Skyshiftertalk 22:56, 26 June 2024 (UTC).
- Man, I haven't heard this record in years. @Skyshifter: Not a review, but I would question whether this deserves a standalone article when the content could be merged into Not in Love (Platinum Blonde song). This would not affect eligibility here because it can run as a 5x expansion.--Launchballer 18:17, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- I disagree with a merge as this version got coverage of its own for being its own thing. It certainly meets WP:NCOVER ("Notable covers are eligible for standalone articles, provided that the article on the cover can be reasonably detailed based on facts independent of the original"). I think this is a valid case of having a separate article. Skyshiftertalk 18:28, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- I guess. Not that it's your problem, but the original's really short and I'd question its notability. Might redirect it to your article and see if anybody whinges. Full review needed.--Launchballer 18:39, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
Brandiose
- ... that Brandiose's design work for the Rocket City Trash Pandas led to the team selling $4 million in merchandise before it played its first game?
- Reviewed:
Kimikel (talk) 15:52, 26 June 2024 (UTC).
- I think I'll review this, but I'll have to request a second opinion as this will be my first DYK review. GoldRomean (talk) 01:47, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Cited: - The source provided says that the $4 million in sales is based on the team name, not Brandiose's design.
- Interesting:
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Overall: My first DYK review and I'm not sure about the hook, so requesting another reviewer. Thank you. GoldRomean (talk) 02:18, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- In addition to the original source, I added another (the NYT link) that directly attributes the merchandise sales to Brandiose's rebrand. Kimikel (talk) 12:28, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Kimikel:: Is Brandiose responsible for the name change/rebrand? If so, perhaps you could remove "design" from the hook, maybe that would work better?
- @GoldRomean: The name itself was chosen by a fan poll. Brandiose was responsible for the design of all the branding. Based on that, if there's a better way to phrase that part of the hook, I'd have no problems with it. Kimikel (talk)
- @Kimikel: What about "... that Brandiose's design work for the Rocket City Trash Pandas helped the team sell $4 million in merchandise before it played its first game?" But I'm still hesitant... I'll leave for more experienced DYK people. GoldRomean (talk) 00:04, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- @GoldRomean: The name itself was chosen by a fan poll. Brandiose was responsible for the design of all the branding. Based on that, if there's a better way to phrase that part of the hook, I'd have no problems with it. Kimikel (talk)
- @Kimikel:: Is Brandiose responsible for the name change/rebrand? If so, perhaps you could remove "design" from the hook, maybe that would work better?
- ALT1: ... that Brandiose's design work for the Rocket City Trash Pandas helped the team sell $4 million in merchandise before it played its first game?
- Kimikel (talk) 00:09, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
Ling Nam
- ... that the founder, Tomas Fung, founded the restaurant Ling Nam with only 3,000 Philippine pesos?
- Source: Ravenholt 1968, p. 38, [12]
- Reviewed:
TheNuggeteer (talk) 02:30, 26 June 2024 (UTC).
Articles created/expanded on June 28
Ken Goldin
- ... that Ken Goldin has sold over US$2 billion in collectibles?
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Oliver Golden
- Comment: I'm a few days tardy with the nom because I forgot to get it done before going out of town for the weekend, but it got to size in the time period.
– Muboshgu (talk) 01:13, 7 July 2024 (UTC).
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Overall: Can you identify the source(s) for the hook and cite the relevant excerpt(s). Very likely I missed it among the multiple cites for that sentence. Thanks. —Bagumba (talk) 19:18, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- I will look at this today. I didn't write that part of the article and I didn't check it before my nom. I may have to rewrite and provide a new hook. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:40, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
Jab Se Tere Naina
- ... that Ranbir Kapoor gave close to 100 takes for the 2007 Hindi-language song "Jab Se Tere Naina"?
- Reviewed:
KunalAggarwal95 (talk) 16:50, 6 July 2024 (UTC).
Sizzle Ohtaka
- ... that Sizzle Ohtaka, known as the "Queen of Commercial Songs", was producing them at a rate of ten per month? Source: 月平均10曲のペースでCMソングを吹き込むようになる。 ... "コマソンの女王"のどワザ師”と呼ばれるまでに。/She began recording an average rate of ten commercial songs per month ... She became known as the "Queen of Commercial Songs" and the "Voice Master."
- ALT1: ... that Sizzle Ohtaka was known as the "Queen of Commercial Songs"? Source: "コマソンの女王“のどワザ師"と呼ばれるまでに。/She became known as the "Queen of Commercial Songs" and the "Voice Master."
- ALT2: ... that Sizzle Ohtaka wanted to be a manga artist before becoming a singer? Source: 一時は漫画家を志望したが、大学時代に歌手を志す。/At one point she aspired to be a manga artist, but during her university years she decided she wanted to be a singer.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Luna (Feid and ATL Jacob song)
ミラP@Miraclepine 18:31, 3 July 2024 (UTC).
List of people who use their middle names as their first names
- ... that brothers Mike McCartney and Paul McCartney, and sisters Dakota Fanning and Elle Fanning, use their middle names as their first names?
- Reviewed:
- Comment: All four articles have free images, if one is used, I prefer Paul McCartney since it is a FA
Isaidnoway (talk) 10:14, 30 June 2024 (UTC).
- @Isaidnoway: Inspired by last month's most viewed hook, might I suggest: ALT1: ... what the UK prime ministers Gordon Brown, James Callaghan, Neville Chamberlain, Anthony Eden, Boris Johnson, Bonar Law, Ramsay MacDonald, Harold Macmillan, Liz Truss, and Harold Wilson have in common? (it's 200 characters, so no room for 'all').--Launchballer 15:28, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- It's my understanding that this is Did you know that ... per WP:DYK. Isaidnoway (talk) 16:44, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- I guess. They must have missed that at Wikipedia talk:Did you know/Archive 200#"First" hooks when they proposed that hook. Full review needed.--Launchballer 19:44, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- It's my understanding that this is Did you know that ... per WP:DYK. Isaidnoway (talk) 16:44, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on June 29
Papua New Guinean art
- ... that the National Gallery of Australia transferred 225 Papua New Guinean art pieces and artifacts, including masks and sculptures, to a museum in Papua New Guinea in 2020?
- Reviewed:
Kimikel (talk) 15:35, 29 June 2024 (UTC).
Articles created/expanded on June 30
Zhang Ziyu
... that 17-year-old women's basketball player Zhang Ziyu is 7 ft 3 in (2.21 m) tall?- ALT1 ... that 17-year-old women's basketball player Zhang Ziyu is at least 7 ft 3 in (2.21 m) tall?
- Source: many sources, e.g. Time
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/2000 Cambodian coup d'état attempt
- Comment: My 200th DYK nomination, it seems. Open to other ways of wording the hook.
BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:06, 6 July 2024 (UTC).
- It looks like there are other heights listed in the article. The Sports Illustrated article reports 7 ft 5 for example in its title (although technically slightly under that in the article itself). I would think if we were to feature a height hook with specific measurements we would need to address the discrepancies between sources in some fashion. The article should do that too. As it is, I don't think we can run this hook as is because of the differing measurements between sources. Otherwise the article is new enough, long enough, and within policy.4meter4 (talk) 21:32, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- @4meter4: Would saying "is at least 7 ft 3 in (2.21 m) tall" work? Everything on her seems to have that height or more (as with SI). BeanieFan11 (talk) 21:50, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- 4meter4, could you please respond to the query above? Schwede66 22:33, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- Schwede66 I asked for a second opinion at the DYK talk page two days ago. Still waiting to hear back from well anyone. I'm not comfortable with moving forward on this one without some additional input from others.4meter4 (talk) 22:35, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- Right; I missed that. BeanieFan11, I suggest that 4meter4 is correct and the article should discuss that sources differ, and list what various reliable sources give. Once done, your suggested hook alteration is fine. I've added this as ALT1 and struck ALT0. Schwede66 23:14, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- Schwede66 I asked for a second opinion at the DYK talk page two days ago. Still waiting to hear back from well anyone. I'm not comfortable with moving forward on this one without some additional input from others.4meter4 (talk) 22:35, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
Liza 'N' Eliaz
- ... that Belgian, hardcore DJ Liza 'N' Eliaz (pictured) was named a "spiritual leader" in France's free party movement? Source: "...who had carved out her name as a hard trance and techno champion. Such was the regard held for her that she was considered one of the spiritual leaders of the free party movement in France, even though she was Belgian."James, Martin (2022-06-15). French Connections: Daft Punk, Air, Super Discount & the Birth of French Touch. Velocity Press. ISBN 978-1-913231-30-9.
Lajmmoore (talk) 13:52, 5 July 2024 (UTC).
- Comment I also cropped the image file, in case a more focussed shot might be better Lajmmoore (talk) 13:58, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- I've swapped the two images as the crop is clearly preferable. Schwede66 01:09, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
Francis Procter, A History of the Book of Common Prayer
- ... that "the old man was startled and a little shocked" when he was shown Walter Frere's revision of his book?
- Source: Jenkins, Claude (January 1955). "[Untitled]". The English Historical Review. 70 (274): 157. JSTOR 556939.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Lewis Worthington Smith, Template:Did you know nominations/Red (Taylor's Version)
- Comment:
QPQ to come
Pbritti (talk) 17:27, 30 June 2024 (UTC).
The Chinese in America
- ... that the book The Chinese in America said that in the gold rush era, numerous people in California sent their laundry to Hong Kong for cleaning?
- Source: "A ragged tale of riches; Chinese immigration". The Economist. Vol. 367, no. 8329. 2003-06-21. p. 76US. Archived from the original on 2024-06-30. Retrieved 2024-06-30 – via Gale.
The article notes: "Ms Chang does not delve into the Pacific ties that might have made such a man. She does say that, during the gold rush, many Californians shipped their laundry to be cleaned in Hong Kong, at $1 a shirt. If this is true--and it is a staggering proposition, given that the Pacific Mail Steamship Company made just a dozen sailings a year, taking 33 days--then the subject deserves a chapter, not just the briefest of mentions."
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/WIAT
Cunard (talk) 11:37, 30 June 2024 (UTC).
- not a full review, but the source quoted is doubting the hook fact's accuracy. Could you offer an alternative hook? Rjjiii (talk) 04:51, 3 July 2024 (UTC) Forgot to ping Cunard, 05:00, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
Rjjiii (talk · contribs), I think the hook is fine. Although the source questions the accuracy of the statement, the source verifies that the book makes this statement. Here are sources that verify that people in California during the gold rush era sent their laundry to Hong Kong:
- Goethe, Charles Matthias (1949). What's in a Name?: (Tales, Historical Or Fictitious, about 111 California Gold Belt Place Names). p. 44. OCLC 606542. Retrieved 2024-07-03 – via Google Books.
This is not a reliable source as the author is a eugenicist. But I am including it here as it's the earliest source I can find that mentions that California gold miners shipped their laundry to Hong Kong. The book notes: "Apparently eggs from Hong Kong, Canton then were being shipped here with California miners' returned laundry."
- Mau, Edward Seu Chen (1989). The Mau Lineage. Honolulu: Hawaii Chinese History Center. University of Hawaii Press. p. 170. ISBN 0-8248-1114-3. Retrieved 2024-07-03 – via Internet Archive.
The book notes: "When the Gold Rush started, some of the San Franciscans sent their laundry to Honolulu and even to Hong Kong by sailing vessel because there was no one around to do it. By sailing vessel, it required about forty days for a round trip to Honolulu and about sixty days to Hong Kong."
- Rubin, Susan Goldman (1998). Toilets, Toasters and Telephones: The How and Why of Everday Objects. San Diego, California: Browndeer Press. Harcourt Brace & Company. p. 56. ISBN 0-15-201421-7. Retrieved 2024-07-03 – via Internet Archive.
The book notes: "Rich gold miners who didn't have a laundry nearby sent their shirts out to be washed, starched, and ironed-in Hong Kong, China! It cost as much as a dollar a shirt and took two to four months for the shirts to make the round-trip."
- Williams, Dave (2000). Misreading the Chinese Character: Images of the Chinese in Euroamerican Drama to 1925. New York: Peter Lang. p. 82. ISBN 978-0-8204-4559-5. Retrieved 2024-07-03.
The book notes: "In the early days of the Gold Rush, Euroamerican men shipped their soiled laundry to Hong Kong or Honolulu for cleaning, and received it again after two or three months."
- Tchen, John Kuo Wei (1984). Genthe's Photographs of San Francisco's Old Chinatown. New York: Courier Corporation. ISBN 978-0-486-14069-8. Retrieved 2024-07-03 – via Google Books.
The book notes: "As the San Francisco economy boomed with hopeful gold seekers, the city experienced continual labor shortages throughout the 1850s and 1860s. It was cheaper for male miners who refused to wash their own clothes, for example, either to send their dirty laundry on a clipper ship to Hong Kong or Honolulu to be washed or to simply throw it away, than to pay the rates to have their clothes done locally."
- Yee, Nick (2014). The Proteus Paradox: How Online Games and Virtual Worlds Change Us—And How They Don't. New Haven, Connecticut: Yale University Press. p. 90. ISBN 978-0-300-19099-1. Retrieved 2024-07-03 – via Google Books.
The book notes: "I am describing the mid-nineteenth-century genesis of Chinese laundry shops (yi-shan-guan in Chinese) during and after the California Gold Rush. Due to the perception of laundry as women's work and the scarcity of women in California during the Gold Rush era, the local cost for doing laundry was exorbitant. Miners, both white and Chinese, routinely shipped their laundry to Honolulu and even Hong Kong for cleaning and pressing. Even then, the price was high and the process took four months. As Iris Chang describes in The Chinese in America, Chinese entrepreneurs took advantage of this economic opportunity and created local laundry shops."
- Ling, Huping; Austin, Allan, eds. (2015) [2010]. "Laundries, Chinese". Asian American History and Culture: An Encyclopedia: An Encyclopedia. Abingdon, Oxon: Routledge. ISBN 978-0-7656-8077-8. Retrieved 2024-07-03 – via Google Books.
The book notes: "The perception by most whites that washing was work demeaning to men, together with the absence of women on the Western frontier, made laundry a service in demand. Before the arrival of the Chinese, and with California labor in short supply and hence expensive, dirty laundry was routed to Hong Kong to be washed for $12 a dozen items, and then later to Hawaii for $8 a dozen. But Chinese entrepreneurs in San Francisco saw the potential profits in doing the washing themselves on the West Coast, and prices dropped to $5 a dozen as shipping and handling costs decreased. Soon, local laundries replaced the overseas ones."
- Kuo, John; Tchen, Wei, eds. (1987). "Origin of the Chinese Laundry". The Chinese Laundryman: A Study of Social Isolation. New York: New York University Press. pp. 46–47. ISBN 0-8147-7859-3. Retrieved 2024-07-03 – via Google Books.
This source predates the 2003 book Chinese in America and discusses how laundry was shipped from San Francisco to Hawaii which cost $8 and took six to eight weeks.
The book notes: "But it cost money for the San Franciscans to achieve such stylishness and respectability, for the laundry bills were terrific. In order to have their linen washed, starched and ironed to the right degree of whiteness and rigidity cost them eight dollars per dozen, sometimes even more. The men didn't mind paying from three to five dollars for an order of ham and eggs or a steak, but eight dollars just to scrub and iron some pieces of shirt was an excessive price. So there were grumblings aplenty. And not only that, there was also the annoyance of waiting from six to eight weeks for one's laundry to come back each time one sent it off, for mostly they were shipped to the Hawaiian Islands to be washed. And then the shirts might return with buttons missing or collars separated."
- Strange USA: Historical Oddities, Roadside Rarities, Unique Eats, and Amazing Americans. San Diego, California: Portable Press. 2023. ISBN 978-1-6672-0115-3. Retrieved 2024-07-03 – via Google Books.
The book notes: "3: Number of months it took prospectors to get their clean clothes back before Wah Lee opened San Francisco's first Chinese laundry in 1851. Prior to that, there were so few laundries that miners sent dirty clothes by ship to Hong Kong, where they were cleaned, pressed, and then shipped back."
- Blackburn, Sarah-SoonLing (2024). Exclusion and the Chinese American Story. New York: Random House Children's Books. p. 59–60. ISBN 978-0-593-56763-0. Retrieved 2024-07-03 – via Google Books.
The book notes: "By the mid-1800s, some people, mostly white, had managed to get rich in the Gold Rush. ... They often thought of laundry as a "woman's job," and therefore, beneath them. Without many other options, it became pretty common for people to ship their laundry all the way to Hong Kong to be cleaned. This took nearly four months and cost about twelve dollars for a dozen shirts, which is equal to about four hundred dollars today. Still, this was way cheaper than the alternative, to send the clothes back to the East Coast of the United States to be cleaned. Remember, the Transcontinental Rail- road wasn't finished yet, so the laundry would have had to go by boat all the way around the continent or over land on a wagon. Hong Kong was the best option for people with the money to spend on laundry, and so the shipment of clothing back and forth across the Pacific Ocean became another link between the coasts of the United States and China, another lane on the highway connecting Chinese Americans between their two lands. In the middle of the Pacific Ocean, and closer to San Francisco than to Hong Kong, you will find the islands of Hawai'i. By the mid-1800s, Hawai'i had become a stopover for people and goods as they went back and forth between China and the West Coast of the continental United States. The rich people who had been shipping their laundry to Hong Kong now had a closer, more affordable option. Instead of spending twelve dollars to have a dozen shirts washed in Hong Kong, they could spend eight dollars to have a dozen shirts washed in Honolulu."
- Burman, Edward (2008). China: The Stealth Empire: Why the World is Not Chinese Yet. Stroud, Gloucestershire: The History Press. ISBN 978-0-7524-9619-1. Retrieved 2024-07-03 – via Google Books.
The book notes: "As the gold fever cooled, there was a shift in Chinese business patterns, first from mining to laundries, and then to railway construction. The second was the result of quintessentially Chinese entrepreneurship. The Chinese noticed that people in California were prepared to pay for laundry services, which involved shipping to the East Coast, Honolulu and even Hong Kong, which were all both costly and took time. It was obviously beneficial for customers to pay $5 for a dozen shirts rather than $12, and to receive the shirts in a few days rather than up to four months."
- McKeown, Adam (2014). "Movement". In Armitage, David; Bashford, Alison (eds.). Pacific Histories: Ocean, Land, People. New York: Palgrave Macmillan. p. 154. ISBN 978-1-137-00163-4. Retrieved 2024-07-03 – via Google Books.
The book notes: "A similar story unfolded on the Pacific coast of the Americas. North American trade with Asia and Australia grew rapidly in the 1860s and 1870s, but failed to live up to that potential in subsequent years. In the first years of the gold rush, prices for goods and labour in California were so high that laundry was famously sent from San Francisco to Hong Kong to be washed. By the end of the 1850s, California had begun shipping wheat, quicksilver, hides, lumber, oats, beans, potatoes and wool across the Pacific to Asia and the Australian"
- Goldstone, Lawrence (2020). On Account of Race: The Supreme Court, White Supremacy, and the Ravaging of African American Voting Rights. Berkeley, California: Counterpoint. p. 133. ISBN 978-1-64009-576-2. Retrieved 2024-07-03 – via Google Books.
The book notes: "Most of the men who arrived in California to hunt for gold came alone. Mining was dirty, dusty work, but washing grimy, mud-caked clothes was considered a "woman's job." Some of the more successful single men shipped dirty clothes to Hong Kong and waited months for their return. For the rest, since local Spanish and Native American women charged too high a price, Chinese men filled the void. Within a few years, the Chinese came to dominate the laundry business in San Francisco."
Cunard (talk) 09:35, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
Thanks for the reply. You're right. Rather than doing a review, I'd like to offer an alternative hook. Since multiple university press sources state it as a fact, could we run a hook that also presents it as a historical fact? Like this:
- ALT1: ... that The Chinese in America documents how California gold rush prospectors mailed their laundry to Hong Kong for cleaning? "While Chang's book might first appear basic in its history lessons, even the most knowledgeable Asian-American scholar will likely find little-known facts and challenging theories within. Chang tells how gold-rush miners - both Chinese and Caucasian - sent their laundry to Hong Kong for lack of local services, hence opening up a business opportunity for entrepreneurial Chinese to take over the "women's work" that Caucasians would not do. (Hong (2003) CSM.)"
- Cited to The Christian Science Monitor in the article. @Cunard: if you're not feeling that, let me know, and I'll strike my suggestion. If you have an improvement, let me know, and I'll review it. Rjjiii (talk) 13:26, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Rjjiii (talk · contribs), ALT1 is much better than the original hook. Thank you so much for suggesting it! Cunard (talk) 07:53, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks! Since I suggested it, another editor will have to do the proper review. And thanks for your patience with my initial confusion, Rjjiii (talk) 08:22, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- Rjjiii (talk · contribs), ALT1 is much better than the original hook. Thank you so much for suggesting it! Cunard (talk) 07:53, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on July 1
Zhang Zhijie
- ... that Chinese badminton player Zhang Zhijie died from Cardiac Arrest after collapsing on the court during the 2024 Badminton Asia Junior Championships, causing outrage from Chinese social media?
- Reviewed:
KjjjKjjj (talk) 09:13, 12 July 2024 (UTC).
Piano Quintet (Shostakovich)
- ... that Dmitri Shostakovich (pictured) said he composed his Piano Quintet to give himself an excuse to travel?
- Source: "His explanation of the change [in instrumentation] was idiosyncratic, to say the least. According to him, his change of heart had not been dominated by artistic considerations at all, but purely practical concerns. "Do you want to know why I wrote a piano part into the quartet? I did it so that I could play it myself and have a reason to go on tour to different towns and places. So now ... the Beethoven Quartet, who get to go everywhere, will have to take me with them, and I will get my chance to see the world as well!" We both laughed. "You are not serious?", I said. Shostakovich replied: "Absolutely! You are a dyed-in-the-wool stay-at-home, but I am a dyed-in-the-wool wanderer!" (Story of a Friendship: The Letters of Dmitry Shostakovich to Isaak Glikman, 1941–1975, p. xxxiii)
- ALT1: ... that the Piano Quintet by Dmitri Shostakovich (pictured) has been called "the most expensive piece of chamber music ever composed"? Source: [13]
- ALT2: ... that encores of parts from the Piano Quintet by Dmitri Shostakovich (pictured) were requested so often that wags took to calling it "a piece in five movements of which there are seven"? Source: [14], p. 43
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Tomato sandwich
CurryTime7-24 (talk) 01:38, 6 July 2024 (UTC).
- @CurryTime7-24: Beautiful expansion! I listened to the quintet while I reviewed — such a lovely piece deserving of this amount of detail. The recent 5x is eligible, boasts more than adequate sourcing, and doesn't raise any significant copyvio issues. Some small style issues therein that I would recommend you or another editor walk through at some point. Hook-wise, I would say ALT0 is a little misleading as phrased since he initiated the piano quintet with the intention of traveling to perform the piece, not compose it. You could clarify it or go with ALT1, which is more straightforward. This should be good to go once a QPQ is provided. Spaghettifier (talk) 20:17, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Let me get back to you later today. Thanks for reviewing! —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 22:04, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
Mall curfew
- ... that a mall curfew policy at the Mall of America was challenged based on its constitutionality?
- Reviewed:
Reconrabbit 00:21, 2 July 2024 (UTC).
- I'll be picking this up for review, but before doing so I need some clarifications. The hook claims that the policy was challenged; however as far as I can tell it hasn't been tested in court yet, and the given source is more of an analysis about its constitutionality rather than any actual decision or lawsuit. The current hook wording might be too vague to meet scrutiny; perhaps attributing the challenge to the ACLU, or maybe changing the wording would address this concern. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:55, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- It can get a little vague. A lot of articles bring up that these policies "are in a legal gray area", "have been opposed by advocacy groups", and that these analyses have been written, but no formal challenge was made. Here's an alternate (that may be a bit less exciting):
- ALT1 ... that one of the first mall curfews was opposed by the American Civil Liberties Union?
- That's probably better. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:43, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
Lilia Cosman
- ... that at age 15, Lilia Cosman moved from the United States to Romania to compete for Romania's Olympic gymnastics team?
- Source: TVInfo.ro
- ALT1: ... that American-born Lilia Cosman will compete for Romania at the 2024 Summer Olympics in artistic gymnastics? Source: MSNews.ro
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/WZZM
- Comment:
QPQ coming soon.Willing to take suggestions to improve wording/phrasing. Requesting the Olympic special occasion holding area- she will compete in the qualification round on 28 July.
Riley1012 (talk) 21:44, 1 July 2024 (UTC).
Norman Hunter (footballer)
- ... that the Norman Hunter Golf Day charity has raised over £100,000 for CLL cancer research?
- ALT1: ... that following the 1972 FA Cup final at Wembley Stadium, Norman Hunter went to the Royal Box twice: once to receive his own medal, and again to help an injured teammate receive his? Source: [3]
- ALT2: ... that a schoolteacher tried to make left-footed footballer Norman Hunter play right-footed? Source: [4]
- Reviewed:
PearlyGigs (talk) 19:52, 1 July 2024 (UTC).
References
- ^ "Family of Leeds United legend Norman Hunter raise over £110,000 to support research to find a cure for Leukaemia". Leeds Hospitals Charity. 8 May 2024.
- ^ "Annual Norman Hunter Golf Day". Just Giving.
- ^ "Jones the Brave". Yorkshire Post. 31 May 2016.
- ^ Hunter, Norman; Waters, Don (2004). Biting Talk. Hodder & Stoughton. p. 7–8. ISBN 978-0-3408-3082-6.
Soviet Red Army Monument, Harbin
- ... that the Soviet Red Army Monument (pictured) in Harbin, China, was built over the destroyed remains of an earlier monument which honored the White Russian émigrés who died in the fight against the Comintern?
- ALT1: ... that after the Soviet Red Army Monument (pictured) in Harbin was covered with scaffolding during the Sino-Soviet split, diplomats and organizations would lay wreaths on it during the Qingming Festival and VE Day? Source: 見多識廣:難忘蘇軍烈士紀念碑
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/BB's Tex-Orleans
Toadboy123 (talk) 07:27, 1 July 2024 (UTC).
- Comment, not a full review, but ALT1 is better in my opinion (also the phrasing 'fight against Comintern' is quite skewed, arguably they fought the Soviet Union). But surely the wreaths were laid on Victory Day (9 May)? --Soman (talk) 12:26, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Soman: Would the first hook be acceptable to you if it was worded as '... that the Soviet Red Army Monument (pictured) in Harbin, China, was built over the destroyed remains of an earlier monument which honored the White Russian émigrés who died in the fight against the Soviet Union?' --Toadboy123 (talk) 16:30, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Soman: Regarding the wreaths on VE Day, the source stated mentions 'May 9th Victory Day' which means its VE Day. Can you also confirm if you are reviewing my hook as part of QPQ or if I have to wait for another user to do so? --Toadboy123 (talk) 15:31, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Toadboy:, there are 2 different commemorations. VE Day is celebrated May 8 (the date adopted by Western countries), Victory Day (9 May) (the date adopted by Soviet Union) is celebrated May 9. I'm not providing a full review, just commenting. --Soman (talk) 01:03, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Soman: Regarding the wreaths on VE Day, the source stated mentions 'May 9th Victory Day' which means its VE Day. Can you also confirm if you are reviewing my hook as part of QPQ or if I have to wait for another user to do so? --Toadboy123 (talk) 15:31, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Soman: Would the first hook be acceptable to you if it was worded as '... that the Soviet Red Army Monument (pictured) in Harbin, China, was built over the destroyed remains of an earlier monument which honored the White Russian émigrés who died in the fight against the Soviet Union?' --Toadboy123 (talk) 16:30, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
Alex Chilowicz
- ... that in December 2023, former Major League Soccer referee Alex Chilowicz began officiating in the English Football League after relocating to England?
- Reviewed:
US Referee (talk) 01:05, 1 July 2024 (UTC).
Articles created/expanded on July 2
The boys of Pointe du Hoc
- ... that when delivering his "The boys of Pointe du Hoc" speech on the 40th anniversary of the Normandy landings, Ronald Reagan addressed 62 veteran service members present on D-Day?
- ALT1: ... that 62 veteran service members where present when Ronald Reagan delivered his "The boys of Pointe du Hoc" speech on the 40th anniversary of the Normandy landings? Source: https://www.brookings.edu/articles/how-ronald-reagan-taught-me-my-most-unforgettable-political-lesson/
- ALT2: ... that Peggy Noonan got the line for Ronald Reagan's "The boys of Pointe du Hoc" speech from the book The Boys of Summer about the Brooklyn Dodgers? Source: https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/the-emotional-day-when-regan-delivered-his-normandy-speech/
- Reviewed:
- Comment: Trying to include the 62 and the link to Reagan in the hook while avoiding clunky writing, open to re-writes.
- Comment: Included a less politically motivated-sounding hook. I'm okay with the second route. microbiologyMarcus [petri dish·growths] 19:08, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
microbiologyMarcus [petri dish·growths] 20:45, 2 July 2024 (UTC).
2024 MLS All-Star Game
- ... that Inter Miami CF will have four players making their all-star debuts in the 2024 MLS All-Star Game? Source: ESPN
- ALT1: ... that the 2024 MLS All-Star Game will be the third to feature an all-star team from Liga MX? Source: ESPN
- Reviewed: Lahug Airport
SounderBruce 02:07, 2 July 2024 (UTC).
- Article is newly created (converted from redirect) and long enough. QPQ has been done. The six sources in the article are reliable (ESPN) or from official press releases. But there are a couple of copyvio concerns, especially phrases like "selected by MLS commissioner Don Garber", "was created on May 13", "appeared in at least 50 percent" which can be further reworded. Personally I find the ALT1 hook more interesting, especially on its focus on the bolded article.--ZKang123 (talk) 02:33, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on July 3
South West Norfolk in the 2024 United Kingdom general election
- ... that former UK prime minister Liz Truss's loss of her constituency South West Norfolk, in the 2024 United Kingdom general election, was described as the "Portillo moment" of the year?
- Source: "It’s the Portillo moment of 2024. Liz Truss sensationally lost her safe South West Norfolk seat this morning, less than two years after serving as prime minister." [15]
Sionk (talk) 18:14, 9 July 2024 (UTC).
John Henry Hirst
- ... that architect John Henry Hirst was found at the bottom of the stairs at home, with a broken neck?
- Source: "The late Mr J. H. Hirst". Western Daily Press. 8 July 1882. p. 5 col.8. "(Inquest report:) Death resulted from an accident at his residence ... Death was the result of a dislocation of the neck caused by an accidental fall downstairs".
- Reviewed: Anna Smith Spark
- Comment: Moved to mainspace on 3 July 2024.
Storye book (talk) 09:23, 8 July 2024 (UTC).
List of songs recorded by the Linda Lindas
- ... that Bikini Kill, the Go-Go's, Paramore, Sleater-Kinney, and Talking Heads are some of many artists that the Linda Lindas have recorded covers of?
- Source: Multiple: Bikini Kill, The Go-Go's, Paramore, Sleater-Kinney, and Talking Heads
- ALT1: ... that the Linda Lindas have recorded 29 songs, including covers of songs by Bikini Kill, the Go-Go's, Paramore, Sleater-Kinney, and Talking Heads? Source: same as ALT0
- Reviewed:
– The Sharpest Lives (💬•✏️•ℹ️) (ping me!) 01:25, 8 July 2024 (UTC).
Gaku Akazawa
- ... that Olympic wrestler Gaku Akazawa also runs a popular massage parlor?
- Source: Japan News ("His many experiences with injuries prompted an interest in physical care, and he opened a Japanese-style massage parlor using self-taught techniques. It became so popular that it was constantly filled with reservations.")
- ALT1: ... that wrestler Gaku Akazawa qualified for the 2024 Summer Olympics after having been unsuccessful in qualifying for the 2012, 2016, and 2020 Olympics? Source: same ("he constantly battled injuries that led to surgery on both shoulders and derailed his bid to make the 2012 London Olympics ... he made the bold decision to venture by himself to Russia to hone his skills in the hotbed of wrestling. But he still came up short in qualifying for the next Olympics ... He was unable to be nationalized in time for the Tokyo Olympics in 2021, but gaining Samoa citizenship in December last year made him eligible for Paris.")
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Lorrane Oliveira
BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:18, 7 July 2024 (UTC).
Tomato sandwich
- ... that the best tomato sandwiches (pictured) are so messy they may need to be eaten over the kitchen sink? Source: https://gardenandgun.com/articles/the-souths-best-tomato-sandwiches/ "The very best tomato sandwich is the one you eat while leaning over the kitchen sink, impervious to the Duke's mayonnaise getting on your fingers and the tomato juice dribbling down your chin. Or so says nearly every story that's ever been written about the South's most beloved sandwich, a glorious summertime treat."
Valereee (talk) 17:35, 7 July 2024 (UTC).
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Overall: Great expansion; very informative article on a local delicacy. QPQ and Earwig all good. The problem is the hook, which is misleadingly written in wikivoice. The hook needs to make clear that it is not stating an objective fact, but referring to an opinion from the cited source. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 21:58, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for the review, CurryTime7-24 -- would this work:
- ALT0a: ... that the best tomato sandwiches (pictured) are so messy, enthusiasts recommend they be eaten over the kitchen sink?
- This is better, but "best sandwiches" and their suggested ideal method of eating are both opinions from the cited source. Slight adjustments to ALT0a should solve this issue. Thanks for the reply! —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 23:08, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- ALT0b: ... that enthusiasts consider the best tomato sandwiches (pictured) to be so messy that they should be eaten over the kitchen sink?
- * Pppery * it has begun... 05:19, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks, Pppery...maybe a slight tweak:
- ALT0c: ... that some enthusiasts consider the best tomato sandwiches (pictured) to be those so messy they should be eaten over the kitchen sink?
- ALT1: ... that some enthusiasts consider being so messy it needs to be eaten over the kitchen sink one of the marks of a good tomato sandwich (pictured)?
List of petitions calling for Israel ban from Sports
- ... that calls for Israel to be banned from international sports have grown louder due to the Israel–Hamas war?
- Reviewed:
Ghazaalch (talk) 18:16, 5 July 2024 (UTC).
Lady Tacos de Canasta
- ... that after her tacos were featured on a Netflix series, Lady Tacos de Canasta moved into politics?
- Source: https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/mexican-netflix-street-vendor-star-lady-tacos-eyes-jump-political-stage-2021-04-13/ - "After Mexico City's 'Lady Tacos de Canasta,' a street vendor featured in a Netflix series, stood up to police who she said harassed her on the street, she decided to take her fight for worker and LGBT rights to a bigger stage."
- Reviewed:
- Comment: this is my first time nominating an article for DYK. what suggestions would you have?
jeschaton (immanentize) 15:06, 3 July 2024 (UTC).
- Nomination just barely meets the length requirement and is not well-sourced considering. The year of birth and the first paragraph of the biography section have {{cn}} tags. The article alleges that the subject was attacked twice by police using a source that doesn't mention that, which seems like a pretty serious WP:BLP issue. hinnk (talk) 19:31, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on July 4
Highest averages method
- ... that in 1840, Congress attempted to legislate 40.5 rounds up to 42?
- ALT1: ... that the 1876 United States presidential election was decided by Congress's failure to use the correct rounding procedure? Source: https://archive.org/details/fairrepresentati00bali
- Reviewed:
Closed Limelike Curves (talk) 17:27, 10 July 2024 (UTC).
Iktara (song)
- ... that Kavita Seth became so popular with the 2009 Hindi-language song "Iktara" that audiences wanted her to sing the song whenever she went for live concerts?
KunalAggarwal95 (talk) 08:08, 10 July 2024 (UTC).
The Daleks' Master Plan
- ... that Doctor Who's first Christmas episode aired in 1965?
- Source: Den of Geek
- ALT1: ... that the Doctor wishes "a happy Christmas to all of you at home"? Source: Wright 2017, p. 133
- ALT2: ... that one Doctor Who serial was so long it led the director, producer, script editor, and production designer to step away from the series? Source: Wright 2017, p. 138; Howe, Walker & Stammers 1994, p. 216; Bentham 1986, p. 148
- ALT3: ... that one Doctor Who serial was so long that the show's new producer threatened to resign? Source: Wright 2017, p. 110
- ALT4: ... that Adrienne Hill's first work on Doctor Who was recording her death scene? Source: Wright 2017, p. 124; Keen 2010, p. 106
- ALT5: ... that Doctor Who's first two companion deaths occurred in the same story? Source: Muir 1999, p. 119
- ALT6: ... that Jean Marsh was temporarily banished from the Doctor Who studio for laughing too much during rehearsals of The Daleks' Master Plan? Source: Wright 2017, pp. 129–130
- ALT7: ... that three-quarters of Doctor Who's longest story are missing? Source: Wright 2017, pp. 146–147
- Reviewed: Empire of Death (Doctor Who episode)
- Comment: ALT0 or ALT1 would have been great to hold for December 25 if it was six weeks away instead of six months.
– Rhain ☔ (he/him) 23:52, 4 July 2024 (UTC).
Hadriana in All My Dreams
- ... that Hadriana in All My Dreams, published in 1988, was the first novel by a Haitian author to win a major French literary award?
- Source: Chaulet Achour, Christiane (2013). "Prix littéraires et réception de la littérature haïtienne" [Literary prizes and reception of Haitian literature]. In Brodziak, Sylvie (ed.). Haïti. Enjeux d'écriture. Littérature Hors Frontière (in French). Saint-Denis: Presses universitaires de Vincennes. pp. 187–213. doi:10.3917/puv.brod.2013.01.0187. ISBN 978-2-84292-359-4.
- ALT1: ... that Hadriana in All My Dreams, published in 1988, was the first novel by a Haitian author to win one of the major French literary awards? Source: ibid.
- Reviewed: [[]]
- Comment: Source is under a paywall but can be accessed by users with access to Wikipedia library (check cairn-info). The source is in French. I'm not sure which hook has better wording, but traditionally there are considered to be six major awards, which the source lists - Prix Renaudot, Prix Goncourt, Prix Femina, Prix Médicis, Prix Interallié, and Grand Prix du roman de l'Académie française (https://guides.loc.gov/french-collections/french-literary-prizes).
Jaguarnik (talk) 07:57, 4 July 2024 (UTC).
- Comment: Please transcribe the book passage that confirms the hook fact to this nomination. Schwede66 23:00, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Schwede66: the passage shows a table of Haitian writers that have won one of the six awards with dates and names of the authors. I'm struggling to reproduce the table, since every time I do so, the DYK template throws an error. Jaguarnik (talk) 23:06, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Jaguarnik: You should try replacing the vertical bars with |, like so:
- Table reproduced:
Prize name | Prize founding | Author, novel, year of awarding |
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Goncourt | 1903 | N/A |
Femina | 1904 | N/A |
Prix du Roman de l'Académie Française | 1914 | N/A |
Renaudot | 1926 | René Depestre, Hadriana in All My Dreams, 1988 |
Interallié | 1930 | N/A |
Médicis | 1958 | Dany Laferrière, The Enigma of the Return, 2009 |
Jaguarnik (talk) 22:03, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
Queer manicure
- ... that some queer people wear shorter nails on their middle and index fingers to allow for easier manual sex and to express a queer identity?
- Source: Preston, Devon. "Meet the Femmicure: Where Queer Nail Art Meets Functionality", PopSugar, 18 August 2022. Retrieved 4 July 2024.
- Reviewed:
Orchastrattor (talk) 04:58, 4 July 2024 (UTC).
- Not a review, but Popsugar is red on WP:UPSD. What makes it reliable?--Launchballer 11:02, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Launchballer: LA covers the same claim,[1] PS was just the citation used in the article, I can update the article to match that instead. Orchastrattor (talk) 16:31, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- I was going to say that PS should come out together, although checking WP:RSN, there isn't really a consensus, and this isn't really contentious. I'd be inclined to let it slide but I'll let a reviewer adjudicate on it. Full review needed.--Launchballer 09:30, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
References
- ^ Thompson, Martine. "Cheers to the Queer Manicure", Los Angeles Times, 22 June 2022. Retrieved 27 June 2024.
Current nominations
Articles created/expanded on July 5
Grace Panvini
- ... that petite soprano Grace Panvini stood 4 foot 11 3/4 inches tall; a height which one reviewer described as an asset for appearing youthful on stage?
- Source: For her height of 4 foot 11 3/4 inches: "INSTRUCTORS TEACH STUDENTS TO LIFT THEIR VOICES". South Florida Sun Sentinel. December 3, 1996.
4meter4 (talk) 21:39, 6 July 2024 (UTC).
Fred Thomas (British politician)
- ... that British politician Fred Thomas was called a "real life Walter Mitty in Plymouth" because he allegedly exaggerated his military record?
Sahaib (talk) 13:44, 6 July 2024 (UTC).
Africa Express Presents... Terry Riley's In C Mali
- ALT1: ... that Damon Albarn of Blur plays alongside West African musicians on In C Mali?
- Reviewed: will do soon
— PerfectSoundWhatever (t; c) 19:59, 5 July 2024 (UTC).
- Comment regarding the article title – MOS:ELLIPSIS says:
Generally, use a non-breaking space before an ellipsis, and a regular space after it
. The article title does not have a space before the ellipsis and I see no good reason why the space should not be there. Let's clear this up before it goes to the main page; wouldn't want to see this being moved whilst it is on the main page. Schwede66 05:23, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Schwede66: I would assume that MOS:ELLIPSIS is referring to how to write prose, not article titles. I can't find precedent that we conform ellipsis spacing to the MOS in titles. Here are some examples I found:
- All sources use the "... " form. [20], [21], [22] (except Rolling Stone, which unspaces the ellipsis). Spacing the ellipsis in a way that no sources do would fail the "Naturalness" part of WP:CRITERIA. — PerfectSoundWhatever (t; c) 16:11, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
David B. Gillespie
- ... that David Gillespie was the first person granted a document in the nature of a diploma from the University of North Carolina?
- Source: Battle, Kemp Plummer (1907). History of the University of North Carolina: from its Beginning to the Death of President Swain, 1789–1868 (PDF). Vol. I. Raleigh, North Carolina: Edwards & Broughton Printing Company. p. 77 – via the Wikimedia Foundation.
- ALT1: ... that the first person granted a document in the nature of a diploma from the University of North Carolina was David Gillespie? Source: Battle, Kemp Plummer (1907). History of the University of North Carolina: from its Beginning to the Death of President Swain, 1789–1868 (PDF). Vol. I. Raleigh, North Carolina: Edwards & Broughton Printing Company. p. 77 – via the Wikimedia Foundation.
- ALT2: ... that David Gillespie was the chief surveyor to Andrew Ellicott on the commission to determine the thirty-first parallel? Source: Holmes, Jack D. L. (April 1966). "The Southern Boundary Commission, the Chattahoochee River, and the Florida Seminoles, 1799". The Florida Historical Quarterly. 44 (4): 312–337. JSTOR 30147229.
- Reviewed:
Aneirinn (talk) 08:43, 5 July 2024 (UTC).
- : Article is new enough, and long enough, and predominantly soured with public domain content so no apparent copyright issues. However, I find none of the hooks interesting to a wide audience (an increasingly common issue with DYK). And despite the article title, no reliable sources seem to use the middle initial "B.": where does this come from? And spot checking sources, Battle 1890 does not seem to have a page 170, nor mention David Gillespie anywhere. --Animalparty! (talk) 16:32, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oops I used the wrong book as the source. The source I was using had combined the two books in one pdf and I had missed that. Also, concerning his middle name, I suppose you are saying that "Death at Red Springs". The Weekly Star. Vol. XXIX. Wilmington, North Carolina: North Carolina Newspapers, Digital North Carolina. June 10, 1898. p. 1. is not a reliable source for this? If so, could you please clarify if that is correct? Aneirinn (talk) 18:55, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- If that newspaper obit (including its earlier printing on June 5, 1898) is the only source using "B", and no scholar has used it since, then it's most likely a one-off error (typos, misspellings, and incorrect info is common in short obits from the time): note there was a Dr. David B(ryson) Gillespie of Bladen County who died in 1905 mentioned in NC newspapers, and may have caused conflation. Find a Grave uses the middle B, but it's an unreliable user-generated source and the tombstone image does not corroborate it. Since David Gillespie (politician) already exists, David Gillespie (surveyor) or David Gillespie (American politician) may be more appropriate titles in line with predominant form of name. --Animalparty! (talk) 19:40, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- Now that the corrections have been made, I don't see anything that should be holding this up. I find the hypothesis given about his middle name plausible. Dr. David Bryson Gillespie (February 24, 1815–January 2, 1905), who attended the Medical College of South Carolina,[1] was a son of Major David Gillespie.[2][3] I also find it plausible that the writer of that obituary wrote 'Major' David B. Gillespie for a reason, and that Major David named his son after himself, which would have them both having a middle name starting with a 'B'. This point of contention is not really an issue; however, I find it hard to believe that people would find the initial proposal or ALT1 dull or uninteresting. It is significant and interesting that, according to Kemp P. Battle, Major David Gillespie was the first person granted a document in the form of a diploma from the University of North Carolina, the oldest public university in the United States. This would also make David Gillespie the first person in the United States to receive a document in the form of a diploma from a public university. If more alternative hooks are necessary, I'm willing to provide additional options. Aneirinn (talk) 02:05, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- If that newspaper obit (including its earlier printing on June 5, 1898) is the only source using "B", and no scholar has used it since, then it's most likely a one-off error (typos, misspellings, and incorrect info is common in short obits from the time): note there was a Dr. David B(ryson) Gillespie of Bladen County who died in 1905 mentioned in NC newspapers, and may have caused conflation. Find a Grave uses the middle B, but it's an unreliable user-generated source and the tombstone image does not corroborate it. Since David Gillespie (politician) already exists, David Gillespie (surveyor) or David Gillespie (American politician) may be more appropriate titles in line with predominant form of name. --Animalparty! (talk) 19:40, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
References
- ^ Catalogue of the Students Attending Lectures in the Medical College of the State of South Carolina, Session 1837–'38. Charleston: James S. Burges, 85 East-Bay. 1838. p. 6 – via Medical University of South Carolina, Waring Historical Library.
- ^ "Descendants of David Gillespie" (PDF). NCGenWeb.
- ^ "Descendants of David Gillespie". Genealogy.com.
Three Dikgosi Monument
- ... that some minority ethnic groups in Botswana view the Three Dikgosi Monument as a proclamation of Motswana dominance? Source: [23]
- Reviewed:
48JCL 16:01, 5 July 2024 (UTC).
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Overall: Going to review this one, since my DYK nomination has a distribution in Botswana as well. Was on DYK previously, but guidelines were changed to allow for renominations after 5 years (previous inclusion was in 2012). New enough, long enough, sourced, neutral, and plagiarism free. Hook is cited and interesting. I'm going to hold on to the confirmation temporarily to ensure whether @48JCL: wants to include the photograph as well, since there appears to be a caption but there is no photograph included in the template. Ornithoptera (talk) 01:28, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- Ornithoptera, as Botswana does not have Freedom of Panorama, we can't run this hook with an image. Schwede66 05:29, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on July 6
Cultybraggan Camp
- ... that the area of Cultybraggan Camp (pictured) has been a royal hunting ground, a prison for fervent Nazis and the site of a underground bunker intended for use in a nuclear war?
- Source: *Excerpta e libris domicilii Domini Jacobi Quinti regis Scotorum (Edinburgh, 1836), pp. 230-231, appendix p. 32, citing National Records of Scotland E32 series.
- Historic Environment Scotland. "Comrie, Cultybraggan Former Cadet Camp, Huts 19 and 20 (Guard's Block) and 44, 45, 46 (Category A Listed Building) (LB50471)". Retrieved 22 March 2019.
- Reviewed:
- Comment: I reviewed this article (nominated by Pahunkat) and advised the nominator to put it up for DYK. They haven't done so but I thought it would be a shame to miss this interesting a subject so am nominating it myself. I will complete a QPQ when I get time over the next couple of days.
Llewee (talk) 01:59, 12 July 2024 (UTC).
- Llewee, review follows: article promoted to GA on 6 July' article is well written and cited inline throughout to reliable sources; I didn't pick up any issues with overly close paraphrasing in a spotcheck; image is properly sourced and licensed; hook fact is interesting and mentioned in the article, the latter parts check out to the sources cited, I will have to AGF on the hunting part as I can't read Latin; this should be good to go once a QPQ is provided - Dumelow (talk) 08:41, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
Andy Barat
- ... that Andy Barat is the first Olympic canoeist for the Comoros?
- Source: Le Quotidien de La Réunion
BeanieFan11 (talk) 02:15, 8 July 2024 (UTC).
- Hi BeanieFan11, review follows: article created 6 July and just exceeds minimum length (that given there are no obvious omissions given the subjects relatively recent notability); sources cited are all in French but look to be reliable enough; happy to AGF there is no overly close paraphrasing, nothing feels machine translated to me; hook is reasonably interesting, though might be lost among other "firsts" at this Olympics; hook is cited inline, the source is subscription-only so will need to AGF but it's title appears to confirm it. Two matters to clear up: I've added a citation needed tag to his event type as it's not mentioned elsewhere in the article and a QPQ is awaited - Dumelow (talk) 15:17, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
Wandering Souls (novel)
- ... that the author of the novel Wandering Souls, about Vietnamese refugees, was inspired by an episode of A Very British History?
- Source: Skinner, Mark (January 1, 2024). "Cecile Pin on the Background to Wandering Souls". waterstones.com. Retrieved July 6, 2024.
SL93 (talk) 21:05, 7 July 2024 (UTC).
Anna DeShawn
- ... that Anna DeShawn started E3 Radio to help educate others about Black women she did not learn about in grade school?
- Source: https://www.thereckoningmag.com/the-reckoning-blog/the-qube-creator-anna-deshawn-is-creating-a-space-for-lgbtq-podcasters-to-thrive#gs.bb0iar The work of pioneering Black women like Ella Baker and Fannie Lou Hamer inspired DeShawn. These were women she hadn’t been taught about in any of her grade school studies, and she wanted other people to know about them. She thought, “I can do PSAs about these women and syndicate them to college radio stations, and then we can have a college radio network. That's how [E3 Radio] started.”
- ALT1: ... that Anna DeShawn was inducted into the Chicago LGBT Hall of Fame for her work celebrating "the overlooked and underrepresented"? Source: https://chicagolgbthalloffame.org/anna-deshawn/ She [DeShawn] was inspired to create a platform to center and celebrate the overlooked and underrepresented.
- ALT2: ... that Anna DeShawn said she fell in love with radio because she could "talk to thousands of people and make an impact while wearing sweatpants"? Source: https://chicagoreader.com/city-life/meet-anna-deshawn-of-e3-radio-and-the-qube/ She eventually found her niche when, as a student at Drake University, she landed an internship for the popular radio show Tom Joyner Morning Show. “I realized I could talk to thousands of people and make an impact while wearing sweatpants. I thought, ‘This is the life.’ And so I fell in love with radio.”
- Reviewed:
CaptainAngus (talk) 20:35, 7 July 2024 (UTC).
Marie Breen
- ... that Marie Breen retired from the Australian Senate to care for her husband, who had been badly injured in a car accident?
- ALT1: ... that Australian Senator Marie Breen advocated for Australian involvement in the Vietnam War? Source: https://biography.senate.gov.au/breen-marie-freda/
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/LS Power
- Comment: 1501 B of prose > 8329 B of prose, hence 5x claim
Kimikel (talk) 22:14, 6 July 2024 (UTC).
Congenital anosmia
- ... that some people are born without the ability to smell, a rare condition called congenital anosmia that affects approximately 1 in 10,000 individuals?
- ALT1: ... that congenital anosmia, a rare condition where people are born without the ability to smell, can affect food enjoyment and pose safety risks due to the inability to detect dangerous odors? Source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9283015/
- ALT2: ... that Ben Cohen, co-founder of Ben & Jerry's ice cream, has congenital anosmia, which influenced the company's signature chunky ice cream style? Source: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ben-jerry-chunky-because-cofounder-taste-limit/
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AbhiSuryawanshi (talk) 21:28, 6 July 2024 (UTC).
- ALT3: ... that 1 in 10,000 individuals are born without the ability to smell?
- Why not make the hook short and snappy? Schwede66 05:34, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- Much better! AbhiSuryawanshi (talk) 16:08, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
Will review this. BeanieFan11 (talk) 01:18, 8 July 2024 (UTC)Looks decent and I like ALT3, but on second thought I'm probably not familiar enough with medical topics to give a good review on this. I'll leave it to someone else to give a full review. BeanieFan11 (talk) 01:50, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- I'll take over.
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- Adequate sourcing: - Needs more sources for the Safety precautions and Eating challenges sections.
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- Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:
Hook eligibility:
- Cited: - ALT0 is verified. ALT1's source does not seem to mention food enjoyment. Neither of ALT2's sources from the article nor the one in Ben Cohen (businessman)'s article mention that his anosmia is congenital. Assuming that ALT3 is the same source as ALT0, it also checks out.
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Overall: awkwafaba (📥) 15:52, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- @AbhiSuryawanshi: I just want to make sure you saw this. awkwafaba (📥) 02
- 12, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Awkwafaba: Thanks for the ping. I would like to know if I can add more sources such as https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/01455613221111496 and https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5865213/ for ALT3 --AbhiSuryawanshi (talk) 06:08, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
Sam Carling
- ... that Sam Carling was the first UK MP born in the 21st century? Source: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/jul/06/labour-sam-carling-22-first-mp-born-in-21st-century
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Rashmika Mandanna
- Comment: Drive-by nom. Some editors are allergic to "first" hooks, but as there is only a finite number of MPs and all of their ages are in the public domain I think we're safe.
Launchballer 20:12, 6 July 2024 (UTC).
- Comment only. It's interesting that you say that
all of their ages are in the public domain
. I spent a few hours yesterday clearing Results of the 2024 United Kingdom general election by constituency of dozens of links to disambiguation pages. Very, very few of the new MP bios included a year of birth. I don't doubt that The Guardian has got its facts straight, but I do doubt that your statement holds true. If it was true, those bios would presumably have included birth years. Schwede66 05:46, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- Apologies, that was a very clumsy way of putting that. I meant that all of the information would have been available to the Guardian for them to fact-check their claim (especially given that baby of the House is a thing). It's very unlikely someone else is going to sprout up and prove us wrong.--Launchballer 19:29, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Schwede66: The Guardian's just published an article saying that two further MPs were 24 at the time of election, and sniffing around some less than reputable sources (the @Tomorrow'sMPs Twitter account, which appears to be operated by Michael Crick) says that both Josh Dean (politician) and Euan Stainbank were born in 2000.
It would appear that Carling's constituency declared first, but I'll do a deep dive into live results when I'm finished with Dead Pony.I do note that the Guardian has not retracted the article cited on this page.--Launchballer 15:50, 9 July 2024 (UTC)- According to the Economist, Stainbank's Falkirk declared at 3:47, Dean's Hertford and Stortford declared at 4:03, and Carling's North West Cambridgeshire declared at 5:59. However, I did some further digging, and it turns out I've got the start of the 21st century wrong as there is no year zero in the Anno Domini system. So I am right, but not for the reason I expected.--Launchballer 18:06, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Schwede66: The Guardian's just published an article saying that two further MPs were 24 at the time of election, and sniffing around some less than reputable sources (the @Tomorrow'sMPs Twitter account, which appears to be operated by Michael Crick) says that both Josh Dean (politician) and Euan Stainbank were born in 2000.
- Apologies, that was a very clumsy way of putting that. I meant that all of the information would have been available to the Guardian for them to fact-check their claim (especially given that baby of the House is a thing). It's very unlikely someone else is going to sprout up and prove us wrong.--Launchballer 19:29, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I don't think the provided QPQ is valid because no hook was actually reviewed. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 16:31, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Probably because there were no hooks on the page for me to review and because I was explicitly invited to propose one - the only valid hook on that page is ALT2, which is my hook. Reviewers often propose new hooks and call for new reviewers, I fail to see the difference.--Launchballer 16:33, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
Anderson's Grocery
- ... that in its centennial year Anderson's Grocery (sign pictured) was one of only 10 small chain groceries 100 years or older?
- Source: Craig, john (June 25, 2000). "A century in the family". The Spokesman-Review. Spokesman Review, Jun 6, 2000. Page B1
...able to identify about 10 small grocery chains across the county that have been in business 100 years or more
ALT1: ... that during its over 100 years of business Anderson's Grocery (sign pictured) used to have egg and wool bartering, grain milling, and vehicle fueling?Source: Spokesman Review, Jun 6, 2000. Page B1 & B5ALT2: ... that with a full 1955 rebuild and 1985 expansion, Anderson's Grocery (sign pictured) had never burned down with the rest of republic?Source: Spokesman Review, Jun 6, 2000. Page B5They coped with devastating fires- Anderson's is one of the few businesses to never burn down...
&...are located where the tiny wood frame building originally stood. The store was rebuilt in 1955 and expanded and renovated in 1985.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Satin berrypecker
Kevmin § 19:21, 6 July 2024 (UTC).
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Overall: Valereee (talk) 18:04, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- I've added a cn for an unsourced statement. There's a period missing at the end of the same sentence, maybe you got distracted just then?I'm also not a huge fan of any of the hooks, I feel like they could be tightened. For instance, what does have been rebuilt or expanded have to do with burning down? The hook seems to be relating the two. "Over its century plus of business...formerly offered" seems awkward...why does it matter that it was a century of business? Maybe something like 'that the nearly 125-year-old Anderson's Grocery used to offer' or something? I like the ALT0 idea a lot, but is it possible to update? We're basically saying that in 2000 it was blah blah blah. It's now 2024, is it still one of ten? Also "was one of only 10 small chain groceries 100 years or older?" feels awkward, it feels like it should be "was one of only 10 small chain groceries 100 years old or older?" or "at least a century in business" or something. Valereee (talk) 18:07, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Valereee: I have to work with what sources are out there, hence the hooks that have been provided. We have a RS that discusses the Centennial, we do not have a RS thats keeping a running tally of the store now being 122yo, 123yo, 124. As such i erred on the side of DYK rules requiring sources for everything and noted the Centennial.
- The expansion hook is relevant to Republic (like most western towns) almost totally burnt down several times, Andersons got lucky and didnt, but the original building has still been destroyed with the rebuild and the expansion. so yes the hook IS relating the two based on the noted fire history of the West
- I reworded the three hooks a bit to combat verbosity. I also added the missing citation.--Kevmin § 20:51, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
So the kinds of things I was thinking are like:
ALT0a: * ... that in its centennial year, Anderson's Grocery (sign pictured) was said to be one of only 10 US small grocery chains still in business after 100 years or more? '100 years or older' just feels awkward
ALT1a: ... that Anderson's Grocery (sign pictured) once bartered with customers for eggs and wool and offered grain milling? Vehicle fueling doesn't seem that interesting, Kroger's does it now
ALT2a: ... that unlike most of Republic, Washington, during its first hundred years of business, Anderson's Grocery (sign pictured) never burned?
ALT2b:... that Anderson's Grocery (sign pictured) was rebuilt in 1955, but not because it, unlike most of Republic, Washington, had burned? I get that it's interesting that the building has been rebuilt for a reason other than typical for the area, and that so yes it's related, but we aren't saying that in ALT2. We're just stating two apparently unrelated facts. We need to either make the connection or make it so intriguing that there doesn't seem to be a connection that people's interest is piqued.
Valereee (talk) 21:59, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- All four massaged alts look good and are factual to the souring. I would say I most like Alt0a and alt2a. --00:40, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
Just to approve one or more of the tweaked hooks. Valereee (talk) 01:18, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Valereee: @Kevmin: I do like ALT0a or ALT2a best, not a big fan of the other two--ALT2b is just a bit confusing. ALT0a could also be shortened to "...was one of only 10 US small grocery chains over 100 years old".
- Also: is the missing apostrophe and uneven capitalization in
Andersons Grocery, A family Tradition
intentional? Anderson's is missing the apostrophe in a couple of other places in the prose; please make sure one spelling is chosen and stuck with (other than when listed as a historical name) and matches the article title. – TCMemoire 13:49, 9 July 2024 (UTC)- Apostrophes added to areas where missing, (I've always had a bad habit of skipping them when typing). The title case structuring for "Andersons Grocery, A family Tradition" is purposeful as the store itself uses title case with modified capital A.--Kevmin § 15:05, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Valereee, Kevmin, and TCMemoire: Looks like the source attributes to the Food Marketing Institute – could this hook do so as well? (Shameless plug to my essay on this topic.) theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 17:55, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- I would be opposed to that in the hook, as the major criticism @Valereee: gave initially revolved around verbosity. The article itself already reflects the source of the Spokesman-Review information as FMI.--Kevmin § 23:30, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- You can't state that a fact is true in wikivoice if the source you're citing isn't willing to do so, it's an exaggeration of the veracity of the information. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 00:53, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- I would be opposed to that in the hook, as the major criticism @Valereee: gave initially revolved around verbosity. The article itself already reflects the source of the Spokesman-Review information as FMI.--Kevmin § 23:30, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Valereee, Kevmin, and TCMemoire: Looks like the source attributes to the Food Marketing Institute – could this hook do so as well? (Shameless plug to my essay on this topic.) theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 17:55, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- *sigh* This is a pendantic level of quibbling that should not be holding up nominations (and also not a core DYK rule). But since you are holding up the nomination:
- Apostrophes added to areas where missing, (I've always had a bad habit of skipping them when typing). The title case structuring for "Andersons Grocery, A family Tradition" is purposeful as the store itself uses title case with modified capital A.--Kevmin § 15:05, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
ALT0B: * ... that in its centennial year, Anderson's Grocery (sign pictured) was said to be one of only 10 US small grocery's over 100 years old?
- @TCMemoire and Theleekycauldron: will this accommodate all the concerns.--Kevmin § 16:20, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- That satisfies my concerns- if it's good with TC, it's good with me :) theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 17:06, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry to push yet more grammar fixes but "groceries" is misspelled, the order of its adjectives should be flipped, and "X in X" statements should be congruent with number case. Here:
- @TCMemoire and Theleekycauldron: will this accommodate all the concerns.--Kevmin § 16:20, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
ALT0C: * ... that in its centennial year, Anderson's Grocery (sign pictured) was said to be 1 of only 10 small US groceries over 100 years old?
- @Kevmin, Valereee, and Theleekycauldron: All gucci?
Now watch this hook not even get used– TCMemoire 17:37, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on July 7
Patrick Gottsch
- ... that Patrick Gottsch, the founder of RFD-TV and The Cowboy Channel, led the effort to break the Guinness World Record for the largest parade of pickup trucks?
- Source: "Patrick Gottsch Dies: Founder Of The Cowboy Channel And RFD-TV Was 70"
"broke the Guinness World Record for largest Pick-Up Truck Parade at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway in 2013."
DeadlineThriley (talk) 18:09, 11 July 2024 (UTC).
Motibai Kapadia
- ... that Motibai Kapadia is credited as the first Indian female physician in Western medicine to have trained alongside men in India?
- ALT1: ... that the Indian female physician Motibai Kapadia was in charge of the Victoria Jubilee Hospital in Ahmedabad for 36 years from 1889? Source: "after returning from Britain, Kapadia was appointed in charge of the Victoria Jubilee Hospital for women, and remained there for 36 years."[26].
- Reviewed: ABC Cinema, Brighton
Whispyhistory (talk) 17:10, 11 July 2024 (UTC).
Ruby Remati
- ... that Olympian Ruby Remati got into synchronized swimming because as a child, she liked the competitors' sparkly suits?
- Source: NBC Boston
BeanieFan11 (talk) 01:38, 11 July 2024 (UTC).
Marcedes Walker
- ... that basketball player Marcedes Walker became an Olympian 16 years after her WNBA career ended?
- ALT1: ... that 16 years after her WNBA career ended, Marcedes Walker became an Olympian? Source: same
- ALT2: ... that Marcedes Walker's impact on the Pittsburgh Panthers women's basketball team was described as "resurrect[ing] the program from the dead"? Source: Pittsburgh Post-Gazette ("Walker is to Pitt women’s basketball what Pete Gonzalez was to Pitt football and Brandin Knight was to Pitt basketball, rare athletes who resurrected their programs from the dead")
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/pending
- Comment: Let me know if I need to more explicitly note the 16 years hook in the article.
BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:06, 10 July 2024 (UTC).
Carl Friedrich Gauss
- ... that a geographer determined the surface area of Carl Friedrich Gauss's brain?
- Source: Schweizer, Renate; Wittmann, Axel; Frahm, Jens (2014). "A rare anatomical variation newly identifies the brains of C.F. Gauss and C.H. Fuchs in a collection at the University of Göttingen". Brain. 137 (4): e269. doi:10.1093/brain/awt296. hdl:11858/00-001M-0000-0014-C6F0-6. PMID 24163274.
- Reviewed:
Dioskorides (talk) 21:49, 10 July 2024 (UTC).
2024 Sugar Bowl
- ... that Washington became the first team from the Pac-12 Conference to participate in the Sugar Bowl when they did so in 2024? Source: Associated Press
- ALT1: ... that Washington's participation in the 2024 Sugar Bowl marked the first appearance of any Pac-12 Conference team in the Sugar Bowl? Source: same as ALT0
- Reviewed: [[]]
- Comment: 2,347 B → 13 kB
PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 03:57, 8 July 2024 (UTC).
- Not a full review, but a UW Sugar Bowl media guide being used as a source on a non-routine claim about itself doesn't sound right to me. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 17:49, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Theleekycauldron: Replaced with AP source. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 18:36, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- full review needed :) theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 00:54, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Theleekycauldron: Replaced with AP source. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 18:36, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
Camil Doua
- ... that Camil Doua could not qualify for Mauritania at the 2020 Summer Olympics as he would have had to give up his French citizenship?
- Source: Sud-Ouest ("Comme j’ai la double nationalité française et mauritanienne, je pensais pouvoir représenter la Mauritanie, mais à l’époque il me fallait renoncer à la française mais ce n’était pas envisageable ... [later in 2023] J’ai alors appris que la loi mauritanienne concernant les binationaux avait changé.” Camil a alors sauté dans un avion direction le siège du Comité olympique. Sensible à son histoire, et surtout à sa détermination, son président Abderrahmane Ethmane lui a accordé sa confiance, ”de toute façon ils n’avaient rien à perdre”. En moins de deux mois, ses papiers étaient faits : le rêve parisien venait de se concrétiser." Translated, per Google Translate "As I have dual French and Mauritanian nationality, I thought I could represent Mauritania, but at the time I had to give up French but that was not an option ... [later in 2023] I then learned that the Mauritanian law concerning dual nationals had changed.” Camil then jumped on a plane to the headquarters of the Olympic Committee. Sensitive to its history, and especially to its determination, its president Abderrahmane Ethmane placed his trust in him, “in any case they had nothing to lose”. In less than two months, his papers were done: the Parisian dream had just come true.")
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/pending
- Comment: Hoping a French speaker could review, just to make sure the translation is accurate.
BeanieFan11 (talk) 03:29, 8 July 2024 (UTC).
- Spotted this on WT:DYK, was going to drive-by but I see I got beaten to it by several hours. Armed only with the knowledge that 'there is an interesting hook in that article', I would have proposed ALT1 ... that the Olympic swimmer Camil Doua represents a country in which "the only existing swimming pools are those in hotels"?--Launchballer 05:57, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- I like that one – I think my preference is for ALT1 now. Thanks for the suggestion! BeanieFan11 (talk) 18:56, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- For the reviewer, the source for ALT1 is the same Sud-Ouest piece: "'En Mauritanie, il n’y a que le football. La natation ? Il n’existe pas d’infrastructures, les seuls piscines existantes sont celles des hôtels', révèle Camil. Difficile dans ces conditions de former des nageurs de premier plan. Voire des nageurs tout court." – translated – "'In Mauritania, there is only football. Swimming ? There is no infrastructure, the only existing swimming pools are those in hotels,' reveals Camil. Difficult in these conditions to train top-notch swimmers. Or even just swimmers." BeanieFan11 (talk) 18:59, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- I like that one – I think my preference is for ALT1 now. Thanks for the suggestion! BeanieFan11 (talk) 18:56, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
Eilish Cleary
- ... that Eilish Cleary's role as Chief Medical Officer of Health in New Brunswick was controversially terminated while studying glyphosate, a herbicide that is widely used in the province's industries?
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Myinsaing
- Comment: I'm not totally confident in the hook, so feel free to offer feedback or suggestions on whether it can be used or not. Thanks!
B3251(talk) 21:11, 7 July 2024 (UTC).
Huang Wenxiu
- ... that following her death in 2019, Huang Wenxiu was elevated into a national model by the Chinese Communist Party in recognition of her work as a party secretary of a village in rural China?
- ALT1: ... that Huang Wenxiu gave up looking for a professional job in Beijing and decided to take part in poverty alleviation in rural China? Source: China’s Communist Party tries to create a new hero for the masses - Washington Post
芳华无悔——追记用生命坚守初心和使命的青年共产党员黄文秀 - Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Alasan Ann
Toadboy123 (talk) 13:44, 7 July 2024 (UTC).
Articles created/expanded on July 8
Poozeum
- ... that the Poozeum holds the fossilized dinosaur feces known as Barnum (pictured)?
gobonobo + c 05:35, 12 July 2024 (UTC).
We did it, Joe!
- ... that Keke Palmer did an impression of "We did it, Joe!" to Kamala Harris's face?
- Source: "Palmer loves that meme so much, in fact, that she did her Kamala Harris, "We did it, Joe!" impression in front of Harris herself." (NBC)
- ALT1: ... that Doug Emhoff filmed Kamala Harris saying "We did it, Joe"? Source: https://www.businessinsider.com/kamala-harris-we-did-it-joe-recorded-by-doug-emhoff-2022-8
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Piano Quintet (Shostakovich)
Spaghettifier (talk) 20:24, 9 July 2024 (UTC).
Santos Passos Church
- ... that the Santos Passos Church (pictured) was built to replace a dilapidated chapel?
- Source: [1]
- Reviewed:
V.B.Speranza (talk) 23:03, 8 July 2024 (UTC).
References
- ^ Ferrão, Bernardo; Ferrão Afonso, José. "Edificações do Centro Histórico e Sua Envolvente Com Interesse Patrimonial (Fichas)" (PDF). cm-guimaraes.pt (in European Portuguese). pp. 68, 69. Archived from the original on 10 January 2024. Retrieved 8 July 2024.
Grand Army Plaza (Manhattan)
- ... that a menorah in Grand Army Plaza holds the Guinness World Record for the world's largest menorah, even though it is smaller than a menorah in Grand Army Plaza? Source: Graham, Aidan (December 8, 2023). "World's largest menorah lit in Manhattan to kick off Hanukkah". amNewYork.'Feeney, Sheila Anne (December 12, 2016). "Central Park, Park Slope menorah dispute ends with ruling from rabbinical court". amNewYork.
- ALT1: ... that the Guinness World Record holder for the world's largest menorah, in Grand Army Plaza, is smaller than a menorah in Grand Army Plaza? Source: Same as above
- ALT2: ... that when a statue of William Tecumseh Sherman in Grand Army Plaza was relocated, one newspaper wrote, "This is said to be the first time General Sherman ever retreated"? Source: "Moving of Statues Made Necessary by Subway Work". The Standard Union. August 15, 1915. p. 12.
- ALT3: ... that after a statue of William Tecumseh Sherman in Grand Army Plaza was regilded, the foundation that paid for the regilding was dissatisfied with it? Source: [https://www.nytimes.com/1990/06/07/nyregion/restored-plaza-hailed-but-turn-down-that-general.html "Restored Plaza Hailed (but Turn Down That General!)". The New York Times. June 7, 1990[
- ALT4: ... that Grand Army Plaza has once been described as "one of New York's few successful open spaces"? Source: Gray, Christopher (July 18, 1999). "Streetscapes/Grand Army Plaza; Spaces that March to Different Drummers". The New York Times.
- Reviewed: QPQ pending
- Comment: More hooks later
Epicgenius (talk) 13:32, 8 July 2024 (UTC).
1954 Busan Yongdusan fire
- ... that 30 royal portraits of Korean kings were completely lost in a 1954 fire in Busan, South Korea?
- Source: completely lost
- ALT1: ... that a 1954 fire in Busan, South Korea caused the loss of around 3,400 historic relics, including historic portraits of kings of the Joseon dynasty? Source: caused the loss of around 3,400 historic relics, including historic portraits of kings of the Joseon dynasty
- Reviewed:
00101984hjw (talk) 04:23, 8 July 2024 (UTC).
- Please wikilink the target article in bold font in those hooks. Schwede66 05:46, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- I modified the original post to add wikilinks. 211.43.120.242 (talk) 14:00, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- Helping out with a ref for both hooks [29] (also in the article). Quotes in orig. Korean with my translation: "위 기사에서도 볼 수 있듯, 4천여 점에 이르는 유물 가운데 자그마치 3천4백 점이 잿더미가 되는 대참사가 일어나죠... 이 가운데는 48점이나 되는 조선 역대 임금의 초상화도 들어 있었습니다. 그나마 불에 타고 남은 조각이라도 건진 것은 다 합쳐서 18점. 나머지 30점은 화마(火魔)에 흔적도 없이 사라지고 말았습니다." -> "As you can see in the article above, a disaster occurred in which 3,400 of 4,000 relics were reduced to ashes in an instant... Among these were 48 portraits of past kings of the Joseon Dynasty. 18 items among these were salvaged, with the remaining 30 being completely lost." 211.43.120.242 (talk) 13:58, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on July 9
2024 United States men's Olympic basketball team
- ... that Cameroonian-born Joel Embiid opted to play for the U.S. Olympic basketball team instead of France in part because his son is American?
- Source: "Embiid, who was born in Cameroon ..." (ESPN) "Embiid had options on which team to play for this summer. He could have played for France, and even his native Cameroon — which still has a chance to qualify for the 12-team field. But in October, he chose to play for the U.S., in part because his son is American." (The Journal)
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Ken Goldin
- Comment: Requesting special occasion post on 28 July, the day of the team's first Olympic game.
—Bagumba (talk) 23:16, 11 July 2024 (UTC).
Symphony for Strings
- ... that after hearing the Symphony for Strings, Dmitri Shostakovich called its composer Georgy Sviridov (pictured) the hope of Soviet music?
- Source: Sviridov, Georgy (2002). Belonenko, Alexander (ed.). Музыка как судьба [Music as Destiny] (in Russian). Moscow: Молодая гвардия [Young Guard], p. 88
- ALT1: ... that after 1943, the Symphony for Strings by Georgy Sviridov (pictured) was not played again until 2000? Source: [30], p. 41
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Roberto Quintanilla
- Comment:
QPQ coming later today.Done.
CurryTime7-24 (talk) 21:16, 10 July 2024 (UTC).
Piper Kelly
- ... that Piper Kelly secured her position as a competitor in speed climbing at the 2024 Olympics by reaching the final race at the 2023 Pan American Games, before winning the race?
- Source: Climbing Magazine, "Kelly’s winning race occurred in the semifinal round against teammate Sophia Curcio, who slipped early in the race. Kelly clocked a 7.69 and, since the final race was against Hunt, was automatically awarded the Olympic invitation."
—David Eppstein (talk) 18:28, 10 July 2024 (UTC).
Adam Maraana
- ... that Adam Maraana (pictured), who is an Arab-Israeli, will compete in swimming for Israel at the 2024 Summer Olympics?
- Reviewed: Ravenswood standing stone
- Comment: Nominating this on behalf of an IP editor, who will (as usual) provide the QPQ. ALT0 may seem mundane, but it's not usual for Arab-Israelis to compete for Israel at the Olympics. Neither is it well known that many Israeli citizens are Arabs.
- My preference would be for this hook to run on 28 July, when the heats and semifinals in 100 m backstroke will be held. Problem is that we have three Olympic hooks for that date already. Given that he's quite good, there is a chance that he'll make the final on 29 July. Hence let's take the gamble and go for that day.
- Dumelow has approved the draft article. Do you also want to do the review, given that you are now familiar with the content?
Schwede66 05:59, 10 July 2024 (UTC).
- Hi, thanks for the offer but think it best that someone else review it for DYK, another set of eyes on an article is always valuable - Dumelow (talk) 06:31, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- I like ALT0. In the event that the following is preferred, however, I offer it for consideration as ALT1:
- ALT1 ... that Adam Maraana (pictured), an Arab-Israeli who will compete in swimming for Israel at the 2024 Paris Olympics, cried on the podium when he heard the Israeli national anthem?
- As to timing, I would suggest running it on 27 July, if we cannot do so on 28 July, as that provides certainty that readers can see it before he competes. 2603:7000:2101:AA00:C039:9FFC:332E:C66 (talk) 12:51, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
Durrës Expedition
- ... that the Durrës Expedition in 1376 saw Louis of Évreux successfully recapture Durrës from Karl Thopia, only for Thopia to reclaim the city in 1383?
- Source: J. M. Hussey. The Cambridge medieval history. Volume IV. Part I, The Byzantine empire. Byzantium and its neighbours. University Press. p. 419. ISBN 978-0-5210-4535-3. "...The Navarrese Company succeeded in occupying Durazzo, apparently in the midsummer of 1376..."
- Reviewed:
Arberian2444 (talk) 03:08, 10 July 2024 (UTC).
superseded combination
- ... that a superseded combination is not the same as a synonym and technically should not be called one?
- Source: Tammy HORTON; Serge GOFAS; Andreas KROH; Gary C.B. POORE; Geoffrey READ; Gary ROSENBERG; Sabine STÖHR; Nicolas BAILLY; Nicole BOURY-ESNAULT; Simone N. BRANDÃO; Mark J. COSTELLO; Wim DECOCK; Stefanie DEKEYZER; Francisco HERNANDEZ; Jan MEES; Gustav PAULAY; Leen VANDEPITTE; Bart VANHOORNE; Sofie VRANKEN (2017). "Improving nomenclatural consistency: a decade of experience in the World Register of Marine Species" (PDF). European Journal of Taxonomy (389): 1-24. doi:10.5852/ejt.2017.389. ISSN 2118-9773. OCLC 8538908866. Archived (PDF) from the original on 19 April 2024. Retrieved 8 July 2024.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Libotonius
- Comment: I welcome alternate hook suggestions.
awkwafaba (📥) 18:44, 9 July 2024 (UTC).
Barry Melbourne Hussey
- ... that Argentine admiral and Falklands War veteran Barry Melbourne Hussey was the uncle of Romeo and Juliet actress Olivia Hussey?
- Source: "my uncle was Captain Barry Melbourne Hussey of the Argentine Navy" from: Hussey, Olivia (31 July 2018). The Girl on the Balcony: Olivia Hussey Finds Life after Romeo and Juliet. Kensington Books. p. 18. ISBN 978-1-4967-1721-4. and "Hussey counted among his English relatives the film actress Olivia Hussey , who played Juliet in the 1968 film of Romeo and Juliet" from: Bound, Graham (1 January 2007). Invasion 1982: The Falkland Islanders' Story. Casemate Publishers. p. 98. ISBN 978-1-84415-518-7.
- ALT1: ... that Argentinian naval officer Barry Melbourne Hussey played a key role in establishing negotiations for the Argentine surrender in the Falklands War? Source: A little long, but summarised in the last paragraph of the "Falklands War" section of the article and taken from Ramsey, Gordon (30 March 2009). The Falklands War: Then and Now. After the Battle. p. 540. ISBN 978-1-3990-7632-6.
- ALT2: ... that Argentine naval officer Barry Melbourne Hussey was known as El Ingles ("the Englishman") by his comrades? Source: "Captain Barry Melbourne Hussey, another fluent English speaker, who was known in the Navy as 'El Ingles'" from: Bound, Graham (1 January 2007). Invasion 1982: The Falkland Islanders' Story. Casemate Publishers. p. 98. ISBN 978-1-84415-518-7.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Tulbaghia acutiloba
Dumelow (talk) 10:07, 9 July 2024 (UTC).
Articles created/expanded on July 10
Suleiman of Germiyan
- ... that the Ottomans annexed much of western Anatolia in 1381 as part of the dowry payment made by Suleiman of Germiyan for his daughter Devletşah Hatun's marriage to the Ottoman prince Bayezid?
- Source: Varlık, Mustafa Çetin (1974). Germiyan-oğulları tarihi (1300-1429) (in Turkish). Ankara. pp. 59–63. Retrieved 8 January 2024.
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- Reviewed:
Aintabli (talk) 08:24, 12 July 2024 (UTC).
Jan Kryst
- ... that Home Army soldier Jan Kryst, being terminally ill, made a fatal assassination attempt on Gestapo men in Warsaw's Adria restaurant, during the German occupation of Poland?
- Source: Königsberg, Wojciech (2023). "Akcja w Café Adria" (PDF). Biblioteka Polska Zbrojna Historia. 1.: Jan Kryst "Alan," a soldier in the Home Army, killed several Germans on May 22, 1943, in a retaliatory action at Warsaw's Café Adria. [...] Following the information provided by "Szyna," a meeting took place between the commander of Kedyw and his deputy and Kryst. The latter, explaining his fatal illness, expressed his readiness to carry out the most fatal mission against the representatives of the occupying forces. A different version on the motivation of "Alan" was indicated by his brother Zenon. He claimed that the illness did not threaten Jan's life, and explained his decision by his intention to take revenge on the Germans, which he had been carrying out since the outbreak of the war. It is possible that the exaggeration of the condition may have been a ploy to obtain permission to carry out a risky mission. [...] He received permission from the command to liquidate Gestapo men at the notorious Café Adria premises, and then, under the protection of two conspirators, was to make a breakaway from the scene of the action. [...] When another performance began on the dance floor, he drew his pistol and opened fire on the people sitting in front of him.
- Reviewed:
Marcelus (talk) 21:12, 11 July 2024 (UTC).
Samsung and unions
- ... that the first employee strike action ever at Samsung Electronics by the Samsung trade union is now an indefinite strike?
~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 16:01, 11 July 2024 (UTC).
Charles De Geer
- ... that entomologist Charles De Geer made all the illustrations for his main, eight-volume work himself (example pictured)? Source: Alsemgeest 2019, p. 354.
- ALT1: ... that Charles De Geer was not only an accomplished scientist but also one of the richest men in Sweden? Source: Here (in Swedish)
- ALT2: ... that one of the most notable accomplishments by 18th-century scientist Charles De Geer was to bring the importance of insects as pollinators to the attention of the scientific community? Source: Bryk 1952, p. 120. (Not available online)
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Mary Owens (Abraham Lincoln fiancée)
Yakikaki (talk) 19:51, 10 July 2024 (UTC).
Dead Pony
- ... that Dead Pony (vocalist pictured) renamed themselves after a track expressing how they felt after being told that Santa Claus was fictional? Source: https://www.thelineofbestfit.com/new-music/discovery/dead-pony-everything-is-easy
Launchballer 12:03, 10 July 2024 (UTC).
Cuisine of Jerusalem
- ... that dishes typical to cuisine of Jerusalem include the Jerusalem mixed grill, Jerusalem bagel, Jerusalem kugel (pictured) and kubbeh?
- Source: https://asif.org/en/the-jewish-kitchen-of-jerusalem-in-modern-history/
https://www.ynetnews.com/culture/article/h1tbqsgla
https://asif.org/he/%D7%9E%D7%AA%D7%9B%D7%95%D7%A0%D7%99%D7%9D/%D7%A7%D7%95%D7%92%D7%9C-%D7%99%D7%A8%D7%95%D7%A9%D7%9C%D7%9E%D7%99/
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/20/magazine/jerusalem-grill-chicken-recipe.html
- ALT1: ... that the cuisine of Jerusalem (Jerusalem kugel pictured) reflects a blend of Jewish culinary traditions, including Sephardic, Kurdish, Ashkenazi, as well as Palestinian Arab traditions? Source: https://asif.org/en/the-jewish-kitchen-of-jerusalem-in-modern-history/
- Reviewed:
PeleYoetz (talk) 08:23, 10 July 2024 (UTC).
Articles created/expanded on July 11
Hey Sensei, Don't You Know?
- ... that Fumika Baba had to learn how to draw for her role in the live-action drama adaptation of Hey Sensei, Don't You Know??
lullabying (talk) 00:56, 12 July 2024 (UTC).
- BlueMoonset, you've been around for longest and would know: what do we do with the question marks? Me thinks the second one is superfluous and we'll just nuke it. Schwede66 02:24, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
Mariesa Crow
- ... that electrical engineering professor Mariesa Crow raises alpacas?
- Source: Packin' the alpacas; Southview alpacas
—David Eppstein (talk) 00:03, 12 July 2024 (UTC).
Amy Sawyer
- ... that artist Amy Sawyer (pictured) was the only woman to illustrate a work by H. Rider Haggard during his lifetime?
- Source: Holterhoff, Kate (2023). "Romance fiction, folk tales, and poetry: Amy Sawyer and the Arts and Crafts movement". Nineteenth-century women illustrators and cartoonists. Manchester University Press. https://www.jstor.org/stable/jj.3078856 p 201: "This commission is remarkable in the graphic history of Rider Haggard. Well over one thousand unique illustrations were commissioned to accompany the approximately sixty romance fictions Haggard published during his lifetime, but of these only eighteen can be attributed to a woman artist – all by Sawyer for Heart of the World."
Gamaliel (talk) 19:49, 11 July 2024 (UTC).
SiegedSec
- ... that NATO has been targeted by a group of "gay furry hackers"?
B3251(talk) 17:37, 11 July 2024 (UTC).
Samoan branch of the Nazi Party
- ... that the Samoan branch of the Nazi Party derived much of its support from the mixed race residents of the Territory of Western Samoa?
- Source: "support for Nazi Socialism and the NSDAP leader Matthes was, in the opinion of the Administration, strongest among the 'mixed-blood' Germans ... Matthes and the men that followed him were on the margins of the brotherhood of whiteness" from:
- ALT1: ... that in 1938 the Samoan branch of the Nazi Party made plans to seize power in the Territory of Western Samoa? Source: "At the time of the Munich crisis in 1938 , when war seemed a distinct possibility , the Samoan Nazi planned to seize principal government institutions and broadcast the Nazi message to the Pacific" from: Field, Michael (1991). Mau: Samoa's Struggle for Freedom. Polynesian Press. p. 217. ISBN 978-0-908597-07-9.
- ALT2: ... that non-white Samoan people were permitted to join the local branch of the Nazi Party in the 1930s? Source: "German settlers included their Samoan wives in a small local Nazi Party branch in the 1930s, again on the basis of shared Aryanism. This may be the world's only case of black Nazis" from: Belich, James (28 February 2002). Paradise Reforged: A History of the New Zealanders From the 1880s to the Year 2000. University of Hawaii Press. p. 238. ISBN 978-0-8248-2542-3.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Andy Barat
Dumelow (talk) 08:35, 11 July 2024 (UTC).
- Hello Dumelow, I am reviewing your DYK nomination.
- Article was written recently and meets DYK raw prose size requirement.
- There is a QPQ. in Your Quid Pro Quo review, please note at Template:Did you know nominations/Andy Barat that they also need to complete a Quid Pro Quo.
- Article is well written. Please do change formatting of the Flickr primary source used, the publisher isn't Flickr, rather it's the Adminstration/Police of Apia. Flickr is merely a webhost.
- Merge duplicate source of Field Michael (1989); Reed p.219
- I personally find ALT2 hook the most punchy and precise. Specifying the years is important because this was before WW2 started, but still in formal days of Nazi rise to power. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 15:59, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- Hi Shushugah, thanks for the review. Good spot on that ref, I have merged it into a single citation. I removed "Flickr" from that other ref. Let me know if there is anything else you would like me to do - Dumelow (talk) 06:37, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on July 12
Zheng Haohao
- ... that after being qualified for the 2024 Summer Olympics at the age of 11, skateboarder Zheng Haohao became the youngest Chinese sportsperson to participate in the Olympics?
- Reviewed:
Toadboy123 (talk) 07:08, 12 July 2024 (UTC).
Tax Heaven 3000
- ... that American art collective MSCHF released a dating simulator dedicated to preparing the player's income taxes?
- ALT1: ... that Tax Heaven 3000, a dating sim released by American art collective MSCHF, prepared the player's income taxes?
- Reviewed:
- Comment: QPQ pending, will do one tomorrow. ALT1 if using the game's name would be better for the hook.
B3251(talk) 03:21, 12 July 2024 (UTC).
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Okay, satisfies requirements. I'm sad that there's no plot section. I'd drop the art collective name from the hook, so we can have something like ALT2: ... that you can do your American taxes with a dating simulator? Bremps... 05:47, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
2009 Dusky Sound earthquake
- ... that despite being New Zealand's biggest earthquake in 78 years, the 2009 Dusky Sound earthquake caused only minor damage?
- Source: Biggest earthquake magnitude since 1931. https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/nine-years-ago-nzs-forgotten-magnitude-78-monster-quake-struck-fiordland/E6HDU4UUBRDSKIXOZ7Y5HROE3I/
- Reviewed: TODO
―Panamitsu (talk) 00:09, 12 July 2024 (UTC).
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