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Miscellany for deletion (MfD) is a place where Wikipedians decide what should be done with problematic pages in the namespaces which aren't covered by other specialized deletion discussion areas. Items sent here are usually discussed for seven days; then they are either deleted by an administrator or kept, based on community consensus as evident from the discussion, consistent with policy, and with careful judgment of the rough consensus if required.

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Information on the process

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What may be nominated for deletion here:

• Pages not covered by other XFD venues, including pages in these namespaces: Draft:, Help:, Portal:, MediaWiki:, Wikipedia: (including WikiProjects), User:, TimedText:, MOS: (in the unlikely event it ever contains a page that is not a redirect or one of the 6 disambiguation pages) and the various Talk: namespaces
• Userboxes, regardless of the namespace
• Any other page, that is not in article space, where there is dispute as to the correct XfD venue.

Requests to undelete pages deleted after discussion here, and debate whether discussions here have been properly closed, both take place at Wikipedia:Deletion review, in accordance with Wikipedia's undeletion policy.

Before nominating a page for deletion

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Before nominating a page for deletion, please consider these guidelines:

Deleting pages in your own userspace	If you want to have your own userpage or a draft you created deleted, there is no need to list it here; simply tag it with {{db-userreq}} or {{db-u1}} if it is a userpage, or {{db-author}} or {{db-g7}} if it is a draft. If you wish to clear your user talk page or sandbox, just blank it.
Duplications in draftspace?	Duplications in draftspace are usually satisfactorily fixed by redirection. If the material is in mainspace, redirect the draft to the article, or a section of the article. If multiple draft pages on the same topic have been created, tag them for merging. See WP:SRE.
Deleting pages in other people's userspace	Consider explaining your concerns on the user's talk page with a personal note or by adding {{subst:Uw-userpage}} ~~~~  to their talk page. This step assumes good faith and civility; often the user is simply unaware of the guidelines, and the page can either be fixed or speedily deleted using {{db-userreq}}. Take care not to bite newcomers – sometimes using the {{subst:welcome}} or {{subst:welcomeg}} template and a pointer to WP:UP would be best first. Problematic userspace material is often addressed by the User pages guidelines including in some cases removal by any user or tagging to clarify the content or to prevent external search engine indexing. (Examples include copies of old, deleted, or disputed material, problematic drafts, promotional material, offensive material, inappropriate links, 'spoofing' of the MediaWiki interface, disruptive HTML, invitations or advocacy of disruption, certain kinds of images and image galleries, etc) If your concern relates to these areas consider these approaches as well, or instead of, deletion. User pages about Wikipedia-related matters by established users usually do not qualify for deletion. Articles that were recently deleted at AfD and then moved to userspace are generally not deleted unless they have lingered in userspace for an extended period of time without improvement to address the concerns that resulted in their deletion at AfD, or their content otherwise violates a global content policy such as our policies on Biographies of living persons that applies to any namespace.
Policies, guidelines and process pages	Established pages and their sub-pages should not be nominated, as such nominations will probably be considered disruptive, and the ensuing discussions closed early. This is not a forum for modifying or revoking policy. Instead consider tagging the policy as {{historical}} or redirecting it somewhere. Proposals still under discussion generally should not be nominated. If you oppose a proposal, discuss it on the policy page's discussion page. Consider being bold and improving the proposal. Modify the proposal so that it gains consensus. Also note that even if a policy fails to gain consensus, it is often useful to retain it as a historical record, for the benefit of future editors.
WikiProjects and their subpages	It is generally preferable that inactive WikiProjects not be deleted, but instead be marked as {{WikiProject status|inactive}}, redirected to a relevant WikiProject, or changed to a task force of a parent WikiProject, unless the WikiProject was incompletely created or is entirely undesirable. WikiProjects that were never very active and which do not have substantial historical discussions (meaning multiple discussions over an extended period of time) on the project talk page should not be tagged as {{historical}}; reserve this tag for historically active projects that have, over time, been replaced by other processes or that contain substantial discussion (as defined above) of the organization of a significant area of Wikipedia. Before deletion of an inactive project with a founder or other formerly active members who are active elsewhere on Wikipedia, consider userfication. Notify the main WikiProject talk page when nominating any WikiProject subpage, in addition to standard notification of the page creator.
Alternatives to deletion	Normal editing that doesn't require the use of any administrator tools, such as merging the page into another page or renaming it, can often resolve problems. Pages in the wrong namespace (e.g. an article in Wikipedia namespace), can simply be moved and then tag the redirect for speedy deletion using {{db-g6|rationale= it's a redirect left after a cross-namespace move}}. Notify the author of the original article of the cross-namespace move.
Alternatives to MfD	Speedy deletion If the page clearly satisfies a "general" or "user" speedy deletion criterion, tag it with the appropriate template. Be sure to read the entire criterion, as some do not apply in the user space.

Please familiarize yourself with the following policies

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• Wikipedia:Deletion policy – our deletion policy that describes how we delete things by consensus
• Wikipedia:Deletion process – our guidelines on how to list anything for deletion
• Wikipedia:Guide to deletion – a how-to guide whose protocols on discussion format and shorthands also apply here
• Wikipedia:Project namespace – our guidelines on "Wikipedia" namespace pages
• Wikipedia:User page – our guidelines on user pages and user subpages
• Wikipedia:Userboxes – our guideline on userboxes

How to list pages for deletion

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Shortcut

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Please check the aforementioned list of deletion discussion areas to check that you are in the right area. Then follow these instructions:

Instructions on listing pages for deletion:

To list a page for deletion, follow this three-step process: (replace PageName with the name of the page, including its namespace, to be deleted) Note: Users must be logged in to complete step II. An unregistered user who wishes to nominate a page for deletion should complete step I and post their reasoning on Wikipedia talk:Miscellany for deletion with a notification to a registered user to complete the process. I. Edit PageName: Enter the following text at the top of the page you are listing for deletion: {{mfd|1={{subst:FULLPAGENAME}}}} for a second or subsequent nomination use {{mfdx|2nd}} or {{mfd|GroupName}} if nominating several similar related pages in an umbrella nomination. Choose a suitable name as GroupName and use it on each page. If the nomination is for a userbox or similarly transcluded page, use {{subst:mfd-inline}} so as to not mess up the formatting for the userbox. Use {{subst:mfd-inline|GroupName}} for a group nomination of several related userboxes or similarly transcluded pages. Please include in the edit summary the phrase Added MfD nomination at [[Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/PageName]] replace PageName with the name of the page that is up for deletion. Please don't mark your edit summary as a minor edit. Check the "Watch this page" box if you would like to follow the page in your watchlist. This may help you to notice if your MfD tag is removed by someone. Save the page II. Create its MfD subpage. The resulting MfD box at the top of the page should contain the link "this page's entry" Click that link to open the page's deletion discussion page. Insert this text: {{subst:mfd2| pg={{subst:#titleparts:{{subst:PAGENAME}}||2}}| text=Reason why the page should be deleted}} ~~~~ replacing Reason... with your reasons why the page should be deleted and sign the page. Do not substitute the pagename, as this will occur automatically. Consider checking "Watch this page" to follow the progress of the debate. Please use an edit summary such as Creating deletion discussion page for [[PageName]] replacing PageName with the name of the page you are proposing for deletion. If appropriate, inform members of the most relevant WikiProjects through one or more "deletion sorting lists". Then add a {{subst:delsort|<topic>|<signature>}} template to the nomination, to insert a note that this has been done. Save the page. III. Add a line to MfD. Follow   this edit link   and at the top of the list add a line: {{subst:mfd3| pg=PageName}} Put the page's name in place of "PageName". Include the discussion page's name in your edit summary like Added [[Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/PageName]] replacing PageName with the name of the page you are proposing for deletion. Save the page. If nominating a page that has been nominated before, use the page's name in place of "PageName" and add {{priorxfd|PageName}} in the nominated page deletion discussion area to link to the previous discussions and then save the page using an edit summary such as Added [[Template:priorxfd]] to link to prior discussions. If nominating a page from someone else's userspace, notify them on their main talk page. For other pages, while not required, it is generally considered civil to notify the good-faith creator and any main contributors of the miscellany that you are nominating. To find the main contributors, look in the page history or talk page of the page and/or use TDS' Article Contribution Counter or Wikipedia Page History Statistics. For your convenience, you may add {{subst:mfd notice|PageName}} ~~~~ to their talk page in the "edit source" section, replacing PageName with the pagename. Please use an edit summary such as Notice of deletion discussion at [[Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/PageName]] replacing PageName with the name of the nomination page you are proposing for deletion. If the user has not edited in a while, consider sending the user an email to notify them about the MfD if the MfD concerns their user pages. If you are nominating a WikiProject, please post a notice at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Council, in addition to the project's talk page and the talk pages of the founder and active members.

Administrator instructions

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XFD backlog

V	Sep	Oct	Nov	Dec	Total
CfD	0	0	0	12	12
TfD	0	0	0	7	7
MfD	0	0	2	1	3
FfD	0	0	1	6	7
RfD	0	0	23	27	50
AfD	0	0	0	0	0

Administrator instructions for closing and relisting discussions can be found here.

Archived discussions

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A list of archived discussions can be located at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Archived debates.

Pages currently being considered for deletion are indexed by the day on which they were first listed. Please place new listings at the top of the section for the current day. If no section for the current day is present, please start a new section.

User:Leech44/List of player names on the Stanley Cup (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) – (View MfD)​

A recent discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Stanley Cup winning players resulted in an article of similar scope being deleted. This list does not appear to meet WP:GNG or WP:NLIST. I do not see a demonstration of why is it important to have standalone of every single person with their name on the Stanley Cup. The reasons for some to be included or not can go elsewhere such as Chronology of Stanley Cup engravings or List of Stanley Cup champions. Also, this userspace sandbox has not been edited by its user in more than ten years, and User:Leech44 has only made five edits total in the last 7+ years. Flibirigit (talk) 00:33, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep: The reasons for deletion at the AfD are not reasons for deletion from userspace. If the deleted article looked like this Userpage, then it should not have been deleted, because all the entries are bluelinks, making it justified as a navigation aid, see WP:Categories, lists, and navigation templates. SmokeyJoe (talk) 02:27, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Why keep blue links or red links when the sum total of the parts is not notable for a standalone list? We already have Category:Stanley Cup champions for this purpose. Flibirigit (talk) 12:43, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - The instructions for G4 state:

  It excludes pages that are not substantially identical to the deleted version, and pages to which the reason for the deletion no longer applies.[4] It excludes pages in userspace and draftspace where the content was converted[5] to a draft for explicit improvement (but not simply to circumvent Wikipedia's deletion policy).

  Those are a general reason and a specific reason to keep this page. In general, two pages are not substantially identical if they are in different namespaces. More specifically, the second sentence was included to address situations like this, because draft and user copies of deleted articles, like this, are nominated for deletion in mistaken good faith. Robert McClenon (talk) 04:40, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • I fail to see how G4 applies here. This user page was not a recreation of any deleted material, rather it is actually much older than the page that was deleted. Further, these pages were never copies of each other, and were developed independently. This user page has been abandoned for more than 10 years, and even if it ever were completed, it still wouldn't meet WP:GNG or WP:NLIST. Flibirigit (talk) 12:43, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Long-term abuse/Hamish Ross (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) – (View MfD)​

This page appears to be the exact opposite of WP:DENY as the target has edited it several times before, and AIV, SPI and Meta's SRG page appear to be the better routes available. The same case also applies to the LTA page about MidAtlanticBaby, which was deleted hours later (after its creation) by Daniel Quinlan to deny recognition. Codename Noreste 🤔 Talk 21:15, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Was a useful learning experience for a newbie to Hamish Ross - I would never have known as a mere editor that such calculated manipulation existed without it -AIV, SPI totally useless of informing me the next time he drifted by to gain credulity for a sock on pages I monitor, which means page has useful purpose. Hide recognition means bigger mess to clean up and I was able to let another editor quickly into the knowledge that they had been sucked into interacting with a sockpuppet while the admins had other things more important to do to help the community ChaseKiwi (talk) 22:13, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm on the fence. Hamish Ross is more difficult to recognize and a bit less active. On the other hand, there is some risk of the page treading into beans territory, and it's already skirting that line. Daniel Quinlan (talk) 22:37, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep: Sorry, but I have to vote to keep. Unlike MAB's socks and IPs, Hamish Ross edits multiple pages and whatnot, which makes him more difficult to spot. Also, a lot of the IPs that he uses to edit look extremely similar to others, which further conceals his identity. NoobThreePointOh (talk) 23:05, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment - Is anyone in charge of Long-Term Abuse, or is this a free-for-all? I am aware. that Deny and RBI are considered usually preferable to creating an LTA file. However, ignoring the creation of an unnecessary LTA file may also be a better approach than bringing it to MFD, which may be a Streisand effect or maybe a second Streisand effect? Should the creation and management of these files be put under control of the SPI clerks? These requests to delete LTA files, with the stated objective of denying recognition, seem to provide extra recognition. Robert McClenon (talk) 23:14, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:WikiProject OutKast (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) – (View MfD)​

Inactive project (which only ever had 1 member) about an inactive band. I'm proposing straight deletion (with follow up deletion of templates and categories) as the main page is almost entirely the article about the band. Gonnym (talk) 15:19, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Weak Delete - I don't like deleting a WikiProject that has ever functioned as a WikiProject. It appears that this project has never functioned as a project in twelve years. The activity of a WikiProject is mostly on its project talk page. The project talk page, which has never been archived because it never needed archiving, shows nothing that looks like real activity. Robert McClenon (talk) 04:38, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User:ArmGiano123 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) – (View MfD)​

This appears to be a hoax/althistory page in the form of an article; there is no "Armenian Empire", much less an "Armenian Empire Song Contest". — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 02:08, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

“This appears to be” is so softly tentatively worded that it belongs on the talk page, not an MfD nomination.

Do you think it is a hoax or alt history, or not? If the concern is mere “appearance”, fix it. SmokeyJoe (talk) 03:26, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You're right; I should be more assertive: this is a hoax/althistory page in the form of an article, and should be deleted as such. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 02:30, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. SmokeyJoe (talk) 10:15, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - This is a Hoax in the form of a fake article about an unreal reality television show. Fictitious contests such as this have been common at MFD in the past, and are deleted. Robert McClenon (talk) 12:46, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How do you keep finding these userpages for users who haven't edited since 2016? FLIPPINGOUT (talk) 23:26, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment - I have written an essay, Wikipedia:Wikipedia is Not for Unreal Reality Shows, because this is a type of misuse that we see from time to time at MFD. Comments or expansion are welcome. Robert McClenon (talk) 06:34, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom. — Sundostund mppria ^{(talk / contribs)} 11:13, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Speedy delete: per G3. JJP_Master (she/they) 19:41, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User:DFLPApologist (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) – (View MfD)​

Highly offensive userpage that is contrary to the purpose of the "User:" space. Content includes wikilinking "Hungarian" with Schizophrenia, vice-versa, wikilinking "Schizo Ramblings" as Hungarian language, United States for "Hamburger Hotdog" and "Freedom", "This user identifies as a Maoist.", "This user recognizes the US as a terrorist state" and "This user supports one democratic state in historic Palestine from the river to the sea." All of these are heavy misuses (and the non-userbox ones are highly offensive, at that) of a userpage. Surprised they haven't been blocked, either. E_F⁵ 18:06, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If you think supporting Palestine is “Highly offensive” then why are you on Wikipedia, a supposedly “unbiased” website? DFLPApologist (talk) 18:11, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I said the non-userbox examples are highly offensive. WP:UPBAD states In addition, there is broad agreement that you may not include in your user space material that is likely to bring the project into disrepute, or which is likely to give widespread offense, which is exactly what's happening here. I mean, c'mon. Wikilinking "Hamburger hotdog" to United States?? E_F⁵ 18:14, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

identifying as a maoist and supporting palestine are offensive.? 2407:7000:AB5A:9696:DB3:4EB2:9C09:609 (talk) 07:09, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Administrator note: I've blanked the page as inappropriate humor, but left the MFD open so that the community can further discuss the issue, if they so desire. Isabelle Belato ^🏳‍🌈 12:20, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - I concur with Isabelle Belato that this was inappropriate and offensive. As long as we are here, this should be deleted rather than merely hidden. As per discussion at WP:ANI, deletion is a reasonable Alternative to Blocking. Robert McClenon (talk) 12:24, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Strong Delete as overtly inappropriate and offensive. — Sundostund mppria ^{(talk / contribs)} 11:10, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment - The blanking was an application of Ignore All Rules, since the banner on a page that has been nominated for MFD says: You are welcome to edit this page, but please do not blank, merge, or move it, or remove this notice, while the discussion is in progress. The blanking does not close this MFD, because the offensive content is still in the history. Robert McClenon (talk) 15:34, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete for the same reasons as Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:TheodoresTomfooleries. This kind of "humor" is clearly inappropriate and WP:POLEMIC. While I'm sure that some websites may find humor in calling Hungarians schizophrenic or calling for "unlimited genocide", Wikipedia is not that kind of website. Di (they-them) (talk) 17:36, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete I have no idea where this genre of overly-edgy Wikipedia users has sprung out of so suddenly. Needless to say, I'm not against the weird trend of dedicating so much time on Wikipedia adding offensive content to your userpage and excusing it by proclaiming that you're supposedly on the opposite side of the political spectrum (as seen here) disappearing from the site, as this is bordering a WP:NOTHERE violation. Additionally, DFLPApologist cherry-picking the one of a few innocuous statements from their userpage seems like a bad-faith strawman to make it seem that nom finds that supporting Palestine is “Highly offensive”. I also do not see why these deletion discussions of this sort have at least one (which is one more than I typically expect) new or unregistered users giving their thoughts on the discussion, seemingly in favor of the keeping the userpage or defending its creator. I do not intend to accuse anybody when I say that this is what a result of canvassing or sockpuppetry would look like in any other case. Waddles 🗩 🖉 02:46, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User:Pious999 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) – (View MfD)​

User page that simply contains the ISIS flag, and has only ever contained that flag. Per WP:UPNOT, there is broad agreement that you may not include in your user space material that is likely to bring the project into disrepute, which support for the proscribed terror group would do. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 01:19, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How did you find this random user page of a user who hasn't contributed in 8 years.

Anyways, delete per nom. FLIPPINGOUT (talk) 02:45, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nom.—Alalch E. 16:13, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom. — Sundostund mppria ^{(talk / contribs)} 11:19, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Regardless of this being a dormant user, it's obvious why this shouldn't stay up. Waddles 🗩 🖉 02:47, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User:Mabelwagman/sandbox (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) – (View MfD)​

Draft is a exact copy of a different, existing draft -Samoht27 (talk) 23:35, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, there are good reasons to have a copy of an existing draft. The user may just want to edit a version of the draft without interfering with the work of whoever made the original draft. FLIPPINGOUT (talk) 02:43, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Weak Keep - I just declined the sandbox as a duplicate of the draft. There are conflict of interest issues, but deletion of the sandbox is not necessary. Robert McClenon (talk) 06:15, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User:Hossain Aakram/sandbox (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) – (View MfD)​

This sandbox was created for self promotion. After author created this sandbox, another user (most likely a meat-puppet) copied this sandbox and created Md. Akram Hossain which is now deleted per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Md. Akram Hossain. We should delete this self-promo sandbox also. আফতাবুজ্জামান (talk) 14:08, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - Sandboxes and drafts are not deleted for being duplicates of deleted articles, because they are not substantially the same as the deleted articles if they are in different namespaces. One reason for this is so that drafts can be developed that overcome the issues raised in the AFD. If the originator is a sockpuppet, they should be reported to sockpuppet reports. This sandbox should be rejected if submitted for review. Robert McClenon (talk) 20:20, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. Acceptable for userspace. The mainspace page was deleted for notability reasons, which don’t apply in userspace. SmokeyJoe (talk) 21:33, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User:Genome replication/sandbox (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) – (View MfD)​

Seems like a slightly modified copy of mainspace article Cyanopsia?? I swear there's a CSD for this but I can't find any so I submitted to MfD as a second option User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 07:02, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Looking at the user's contribs, the sandbox seems to be where they draft contributions to the cyanopsia article, which seem to be sizable and constructive. FLIPPINGOUT (talk) 22:34, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - As per Flippingout, modified copies of mainspace articles for the purpose of drafting edits to the article are a legitimate use of a sandbox. Robert McClenon (talk) 20:11, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per above comments—there is a constructive use for this sandbox going on here. Waddles 🗩 🖉 02:50, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Draft:Werner Zimmermann (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) – (View MfD)​

This draft article appears to simply be this individual's resume, and be grounds for advertising, in my opinion. However, I have never worked with this sort of situation, so I'd like the communities help overseeing this. OnlyNano^talk 20:01, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - A draft being a CV is not, and should not, be a reason for it to be deleted after a single submission. Give the editor a chance to actually work on it and correct the situation first. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{threads critiques} 20:41, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - Drafts can be deleted as G11 spam, but this is not spam; it is only a resume, and should be declined if submitted for review. See Drafts are not checked for notability or sanity. They are deleted for being spam, or for being unreferenced biographies of living persons. This is not spam, and it has references, although they do not satisfy biographical notability. Welcome to MFD, User:OnlyNano. Robert McClenon (talk) 20:47, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. The draft being in CV format is a reason that Wikipedia has draftspace. It is a good draft, I think the subject will prove Wikipedia-notable, but the biography needs less facts and more content from independent secondary sources. Leave it to AfC to manage. —SmokeyJoe (talk) 21:00, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User:Est. 2021/sandbox/CURRENT (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) – (View MfD)​

The page now located at User:Est. 2021/sandbox/CURRENT was formerly a talk page for my previous account Vicipaedianus x, so –when I created this account back in 2021– I moved it into my user space an turned it into an archive. Later, on 19 June 2023, I copy-pasted all of its content to my archive located at User talk:Est. 2021/Archive/0, so I requested to merge the page history as well (specifically edits between February 2014 and February 2021, when it was a talk page) and the deletion of the former, but my request got declined, so I got stuck with a blanked subpage, and I started using it as a sandbox. I now remembered that –on 14 December 2023– I got told it was "not eligible for WP:U1 because at one time it was a user talk page, it may still be deleted by being listed at WP:MFD", so please, merge its history as a talk page into User talk:Est. 2021/Archive/0, if needed, and delete this useless duplicate turned sandbox. Thanks. Est. 2021 (talk · contribs) 16:03, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - If this is not eligible for U1 because of its history, it is enough like a U1 that it should be deleted at the originator's request. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:45, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Sigh.

  Per WP:DELTALK, the edits between September 2013 and November 2020 must not be deleted no matter how many layers of obfuscation you try to use to hide that fact.

  The request to history merge the talk page edits so the later edits can be deleted is valid and in my opinion should have been granted, but four other admins (including my past self) have improperly stonewalled it. Now that we're at a discussion venue rather than an individual-admin-request venue I guess we can override them and grant that request, so I support doing so.

  Est. 2021's insistence in getting things done this way has grown beyond reason. They've made nine distinct requests for admin actions relating to this one sandbox, all of which were declined. My gut wants to say "Keep" out of spite. But I'm better than that.

• Overall, weakly support history merge and delete, but if that's not done, strongly oppose deleting without history merging - that would set a hideous precedent that people can get their way by complaining enough. Although I guess WP:Database reports/Possibly out-of-process deletions#User talk pages exists, so the blatant double standard being demonstrated here will continue to exist either way. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 22:19, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment - Having reviewed the history in detail once, there is a strange odor to the history, and we don't want to just incinerate it to get rid of any possible dead animals. Robert McClenon (talk) 05:42, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Split history to put the talk page revisions back in User talk:Vicipaedianus x. Moving the talk page of your past account to a subpage of your current account is totally inappropriate. Let's say I want to read the talk page of User:Vicipaedianus x, an editor for multiple years with 278 edits. How do I do that? Obfuscating the previous account's talk page is falsifying history.—Alalch E. 10:43, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Alalch E.: Interesting misunderstanding, but I actually I moved the talk to my archive to be transparent about the ownership of both accounts, not to obfuscate anything. Moreover, if I didn't, people could have written onto the old talk page –without me ever noticing– and hence never got an answer. You can still read any thread posted there tho. How do you do that? User talk:Vicipaedianus x should redirect to User talk:Est. 2021/Archive/0, after the page history is merged –as I personally requested multiple times. Est. 2021 (talk · contribs) 13:05, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    User talk:Vicipaedianus x should be archived at that root name, and you can leave a message on your old account's talk page saying that it's your old account and that messages should be left on your current account's talk page. —Alalch E. 15:24, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    I don't see why the current setup is wrong? Why is is any different from User talk:Malleus Fatuorum having been page moved to User talk:Eric Corbett, or many other instances of users being renamed? If that's what we have to do to get a consensus I can accept it, but it seems like hostile hair-splitting to me. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 18:44, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Split history and send it back to User talk:Vicipaedianus x (same !vote as Alalch; different reasoning). The problem with history-merging to User talk:Est. 2021/Archive/0 is that the history would then be intertwined confusingly with the history already there, which goes back to 2013 and the third account Marco Antonio Sorrentino. The most logical alternative would be to put the history back with the original talk page (under the redirect), which is where I at least would expect to find it. (The archive doesn't need to have the history under it.) It's not the only solution, but it checks all the boxes and makes this mess slightly less headache-inducing. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 09:34, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

MediaWiki:Youhavenewmessagesfromusers (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) – (View MfD)​

(Time stamp for bot to properly relist.) El Beeblerino ^{if you're not into the whole brevity thing} 07:39, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Superseded by MediaWiki:new-messages-from-many-users. See also [9] Awesome Aasim 03:17, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep and rename to MediaWiki:new-messages-from-many-users, as should have been done in December 2023 (contrary to the commit message there, that message does still show up for logged-out editors). * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 04:11, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  @Pppery: Did you mean https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/c/mediawiki/core/+/982865 rather than https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/c/mediawiki/core/+/1099327? Anyway, MediaWiki:Youhavenewmessagesfromusers should be moved to MediaWiki:New-messages-from-users rather than MediaWiki:New-messages-from-many-users (which would have been moved from MediaWiki:Youhavenewmessagesmanyusers if that page had existed). GTrang (talk) 15:17, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Yes. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 17:12, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, El Beeblerino ^{if you're not into the whole brevity thing} 07:39, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• @Awesome Aasim: Your nomination statement is inaccurate. The correct target is MediaWiki:New-messages-from-users, not MediaWiki:New-messages-from-many-users. GTrang (talk) 15:26, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Oh yeah. What you named should be the appropriate target. Awesome Aasim 16:26, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

MediaWiki:Youhavenewmessages (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) – (View MfD)​

(Time stamp for bot to properly relist.) El Beeblerino ^{if you're not into the whole brevity thing} 07:40, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Superseded by MediaWiki:New-messages. Awesome Aasim 03:15, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

See also [10]. Awesome Aasim 03:17, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep and rename to MediaWiki:New-messages, as should have been done in December 2023 (contrary to the commit message there, that message does still show up for logged-out editors). * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 04:12, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  @Pppery: Did you mean https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/c/mediawiki/core/+/982865 rather than https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/c/mediawiki/core/+/1099327? GTrang (talk) 15:19, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Yes. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 17:12, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, El Beeblerino ^{if you're not into the whole brevity thing} 07:40, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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